HDMI via a Cat6 cable works surprisingly well
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- If you need to route video around the house - your best option might be to use a dedicated Cat6 or Cat5e cable.
NOTE - This is not a networked Ethernet connection - with these specific adaptors you can't send the HDMI signal via a router, a switch, an Ethernet over power-line connector, a WiFi transmitter, etc - you're just using a Cat6 (or CAT5e) cable as a substitute for a HDMI lead. The benefits are that you can have a longer cable run and the cable is easier to route through small holes and conduits.
There are more capable (and expensive) options available in this range of HDMI extenders if you need to send UHD HDR video. The full range is on the manufacturer website www.orei.com
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Some have demanded to know why I didn’t move the cable co-ax into the lounge. Firstly, don’t worry so much about my situation, I’m demonstrating a piece of tech, I’m not asking anyone to move in. However the reasons for not wanting to move the co-ax are as follows
1) The co-ax cable is still needed in the office room where it connects to the router and in turn distributes internet to the whole house. I don’t want to move the whole router set up. It works well where it is.
2) One option then might be extending/splitting the broadband co-ax and sending it to two rooms, however this is something that would have to be done by an installer allocated by the cable company and that’s a hassle as well as an expense.
3) There’s no easy cable path from the cable termination box outside to the back of the TV area. Installation of the Sky satellite cables between the same two points twenty years ago involved digging up the bitumen lounge floor - and that’s not something I’m prepared to go through again.
For the sake of £36 for these boxes there’s no engineer, no disruption, no big bill and zero hassle. Frankly you’d have to be a maniac not to go with this option given the choice and especially so when there’s an unused Cat6 cable already connecting the two locations.
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NOTE - This is not a networked Ethernet connection - with these specific adaptors you can't send the HDMI signal via a router, a switch, an Ethernet over power-line connector, a WiFi transmitter, etc - you're just using a Cat6 (or CAT5e) cable as a substitute for a HDMI lead. The benefits are that you can have a longer cable run and the cable is easier to route through small holes and conduits.
did you test or plan to test the extra-long optical transport proper usb-c cables (transfer display and usb over same cable to a different place)? like that one guy used for the pc in the pond?
Twisted pair cables are built on an actual understanding of electricity, pretty good modern tech.
@@lasskinn474 You can also get optical hdmi cables, but your holes need at least be big enough for a micro hdmi plug.
I think I have seen solutions where regular switches etc could be used. I think LTT did a video about this quite a while ago.
@@p_mouse8676 You can send video over network quite easily, but this isn't that, it's basically just using a ethernets cables conductors and matching them up to the conductors in the hdmi cable. Video over IP uses quite a lot of bandwidth aswell.
Mat wrote in the description: "Don't worry so much about my situation, I'm demonstrating a piece of tech, I'm not asking anyone to move in". Even when Mat is being serious, he can still be very funny.
He's British, that is him being funny
So disappointed. I was already packing.
Boss asked me to figure out a way to show company stats across all the TVs in the office. I'm a Data Analyst, but somehow also became office IT lol. I found a similar product on amazon and ordered it, unhooked all the TVs from their ethernets and used these adapters and the main unit hooked up to a spare laptop running a slideshow and playing music throughout the office. Cost $140 vs the $30 monthly fee our IT company was asking for to set up some cloud based system. Boss was more than happy.
And I bet you were rewarded with a pat in the back and more work lol. JK, good job making the company save the money.
140 bucks out of his own pocket probably.
I hope you’re getting paid extra for the tech support.
should've charged him $25 monthly for it
Same thing here; I’ve used these extensively at work for a multitude of things and they work surprisingly well. It’s opened a lot of AV possibilities for us.
Seeing the cable lights messed in the tester reminded me about cross-over cable to connect PC-to-PC without a hub/switch I used back then in the late 90's
I thought that, MDI vs MDI-X en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-dependent_interface#MDI_vs._MDI-X
I’ve booked my taxi ready for the elderly home..
It is. All network adapters from the past 20 years can auto-sense whether it's a direct or cross-over cable, and will adapt to it, which is why the was working fine before even if connected to a switch or router.
Key memory of making these with my uncle unlocked. Dude, you just made me cry, hahaha.
That was my first thought as well. Crossover cables are a thing people forget existed, because auto-sensing has been a thing for a while, but they were indeed a thing.
Was it an RS-232 variation perhaps?
We use hundreds of these at the university where I work as an AV tech, crazy to see Techmoan talking about a type of device I see every day!
Do you use Crestron or Extron?
I have no use for this beyond “huh. That’s neat.”
But then again that’s why I’ve stuck about for 12(?) years here. I remember watching that Wireless HDMI thing when it was new. Thanks for the 12 years+ of entertainment!
Well I remember when the Tefifon was new!
We've been using these exact units in theaters at work. Orei also make a sexy little 4K HDMI 2.0b that allows us to get 4K/50 over to a group of TVs about 600M away from the AV enclosure....
Hey TM, IT FE here. See these devices every now and then and they’re also known as HDBaseT devices. We typically see them hidden under the floors / behind tvs in conference room setups.
For the Ethernet as you mentioned the green and orange pairs weren’t 1-1 which meant this was a crossover cable, in future, use B standard as that’s pretty much what you’d see worldwide now.
Great vid as always! 👍
HDBaseT is the standard but not all of these extenders are HDBT certified. It's a useful standard in case you need to mix and match manufacturers equipment, you can ensure interoperability. But generally these cheap extenders (often called baluns) aren't HDBT compatible.
@@OriginalRitz Yup, if it doesn't have "HDBaseT" slathered all over the packaging it's a pretty good bet that it ISN'T HDBaseT (costs money to license the standard so unless you NEED to be compliant with it to talk directly to say some projectors most companies don't bother, they just do some signal processing and shove the signals over the Cat6 cable)
Great little device, I've used them before myself and they work beyond their rated range in my experience. I also appreciate the little Morecambe and Wise joke you snuck in there, I'm not sure how many of your viewers will catch it!
Ah yes. The Andre Preview (Previn) sketch😂.
While watching, in my head I completed the sentence in Eric Morecambe's voice. 😁
This is an excellent solution to watch video feed from a NVR security camera system in different room from where the NVR is located.
Great video! In commercial/pro environments, cat6 is often used to send video over long runs because HDMI is, arguably, unstable beyond even as little as 10 meters sometimes. This is a good example of that sort of use in the home.
I love this device - I had a need to run multiple video sources to several 80" screens in a manufacturing plant, so I got the 4x4 version to route any four sources to any four screens- It works just as Matt describes, with a little added flexibility. Orei makes a 8x8 version too in case you want to sing Karaoke in every room of your house.
Love the presentation. It’s like I have a British? Scottish? Irish? Tech enthusiast grandpa
T568A to T568B would be a crossover cable which most Ethernet equipment in the last 20 years wouldn't care as they auto negotiate the connection.
Structured cabling should always be the same at both ends so good job in fixing that and yep they can certainly be used for other things other than Ethernet.
My thinking to, do bring up the question, HDMI adapter not doing that, as in the example setup of Techman here? it's an adapter, , it's for adapting something that's already there? why did the limit them selves, like only 50%, of potential cat LAN cables out there, for little more software, that everyone, managers to do? AND AN UN NEEDED PROBLEM FOR TECHANAL SUPPORT DEPARTMENT 🙂as Techman not covered it, (the cable requirement not on the box), having to resort It trouble shooting, skills that HI-FI, film both, not normally going to have, to solve the problem?
@@dh2032 No idea what you are on about.
This isn’t Ethernet…
@@envisionelectronics Correct ANSI/TIA-568 is a technical standard not Ethernet. Maybe watch the video again and you may see @Techmoan mentions about the wiring not working and how they fixed it. Again this had nothing to do with Ethernet but when he originally installed it and it worked for Ethernet there is a reason why it still worked even though the ends were different.
@@Didz your patience with these folks is commendable
Time goes fast for sure. I went into Hi-Fi because of you. Thanks for that. I dive into that rabbit hole for the last 7 years now. Already 7 years! Time runs to fast for sure, and it is waiting for no one!
I’ve been watching you for YEARS, and I’m always impressed by your dedication and attitude. You are a true gentleman, and I appreciate your channel more than you can imagine. Good work deserves praise. You are the finest. Best from TEXAS.
This company produces indeed interesting things that come in handy. We used some of this stuff back in my day when I was still working as an event technician, but I don't really do this kind of job anymore for commercial purposes, only for my underground people and when I am asked ;)
We have used similar units in a broadcast environment for a few years with no issues. It's a very specific use case for us and the signals never make it to air (we do not use HDMI in the video chain at all). But the same concept applies. Fun fact: HDMI cables are, essentially, just twisted pair cables with the same number of wires inside as a network cable (ie: Cat5 or Cat6). The main difference is the HDMI cable has extra shielding the typical network cable lacks. (And, of course, the connectors are different.)
Never to old to learn something new. Thank you Sir. For us Aussies, you've got a blinding fast internet.
Sorry to hear, 70% of all homes in the Netherlands has a opticalfiber connection.
Jump across the ditch where we have fibre to every (urban) house 😉 Some ISPs even offer 10gbps now
Blinding fast for Americans too. I'm stuck with 5mbps weak cellular connection because there's nothing else (other than satellite)
Yep, similar thing here in Singapore where we generally have gigabit residential connections, but some of us have 2 gigabit connections and there are even 10 gigabit connections from some ISPs! However, I also see what you mean as I have some contacts in Australia who only received FTTP just this year (while our network was rolled out in the early 2010s)!
Wow! This would be great to reduce subscription costs here where every set-top-box has an additional fee. We could just turn on one and choose between bedroom or living room TV. :) Thanks for featuring this!
And if you need more than one just daisychain the transmitters... hdmi out of one to hdmi in on the next... too bad you then all watch the same channel :)
You can also use hdmi splitters
@@delinuxspecialist As long as you're the one in charge of the remote control it doesn't matter. 😆
There are some linux based set top boxes like certain Amiko ones, that allow you to set one of them as a card server and other as clients. That way each one of them can have a separate channel via that 1 subsr... card.
It's also possible to share the card via internet, that way the clients don't need to be on the same LAN
Not if it requires hdcp
I have a similar device Matt, the larger rectangular IR unit is the receiver for your remote control. Very useful and cheap solution.
We pre-wired our house before the drywall went up 10 years ago, and had a 50'/15m cable run from the AV shelf in the top of the closet to the TV, and went with a dual CAT6 to HDMI converter box. It glitches for a second or two from EMI events (lightning, cat running across the couch in the winter when the air is dry) and doesn't handle the Audio Return Channel, but it was so much cheaper than an HDMI of that length that those things don't bother us. For the remotes we used a Harmony Hub. Ten years on and both still work great, I'm watching you on it now via a Chromecast connected to the AV receiver in the closet.
cat'ning
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 The struggle is real, lol.
Great Morecambe and Wise reference
I expected to see Andre Previn flash up on the screen.
Thank you Matt for introducing me to this product! It has solved a problem I have had for a few years. Having struggled with HDMI splitters and extenders and it not really working well, this has solved all of my issues. Thank you again and keep up the good work. 🙂
This reminds me of my old Steam Link. Before they had the app, that is. A simple box you plugged into your TV and either connected to the network over wifi or ethernet. I still use it to this day to stream everything from my desktop to my living room where I can watch movies.
I've been using this system (but a different brand) for about three years without any issues whatsoever. I use mine to copy the CCTV feed from its home under the stairs to the TV in the living room. I've routed the cat cable under the floorboards so it's hidden out of the way & we can now switch from the TV to CCTV instantly if we hear a strange noise outside.
It's a fantastic system for the price & I opted for this instead of a long HDMI cable because drilling holes for the cat cable is much easier than for the HDMI cable as the holes needed are much smaller & I didn't want to reduce the strength of the floor joists. I also had a lot of cat cable left over after installing a network in the house, so it reduced the work & also minimised the cost for me.
I didn't fit the infrared cables to the system as I don't need them for my setup to work.
CEC passes through just fine?
I did the same so I'm not crammed in the wiring closet to view security footage. My box extends USB so I can use a keyboard/mouse at the remote end
Your Internet speed. I'm crying and jealous.
Getting 945 MBIT downstream here (pretty much Ethernet Gigabit limit). Pretty normal for cableTV (DOCSIS). But upload is basically non-existent.
@@kyoudaiken yeah I'd honestly rather have 150/150 over 1000/50 (or whatever the numbers are, I've seen some get 1000/20 😱)
Gigabit is reasonably common here in the UK, but most providers don't offer synchronous speeds, so the upload is often no more than 150
I just got a new place with 1 gigabit speeds. It's like night and day from what I had before
Shees! I live in The Netherlands and I am glad that we have fibre, which I technically can upgrade to 8 Gbit/s up and download! But that's way overkill, so I choose for the cheaper 1 Gbit/s up and download package.
I was using these 15 years ago. Nothing new. They do work well.
Nothing new, but I'd bet 95% of people never even heard of this.
At 5:05 - That T568A or T568B deal got me once also. A is for "home" and B is for "business". Why there are two wiring types? Supposedly, A is a legacy standard to use old telephone wires and B is better.
I really enjoy all your videos, finding out about tech I have no need for but still interests me - but this is really useful, relatable content - and moreover from a person who's opinions I trust!
I learn something new every time I watch your videos. Thank you!
Nice one Matt. These are very handy for projector runs (from the player to the projector at the back of the room)
Good call, might have to switch to that when I next upgrade - much easier to swap out a pair of boxes rather than re-run a long cable when you need to support a newer HDMI standard.
That wireless HDMI video was 12 years ago?!
time flies
Czas zapierdala jak skurwol po mięsnym... ;)
For real
I know I was using it years ago worked in a house was over a system like this
The last 10 years barely existed
Oh wow! The extender is actually quite cheap to. Thank you for showing this - I didn't know these options worked as well as they did!
These adapters are incredibly useful. I have been using them commercially for 5 yrs with no issue.
Another neat piece of kit is CAT6 KVM, it’s USB 2.0 + HDMI over CAT6. Incredibly useful for say providing a client with access to their NVR for CCTV monitoring at their desk.
I've bought numerous devices from Orei and I love them. Great quality and very affordable.
I sure do love your videos. Always have. Thank you sir. It brightens my day sometimes.
Techmoan, we all LOVE you here in Dearborn, Michigan!!!
Good to know this actually works. I was always a bit skeptical. Don't need it now, but might come in handy one day.
we use these in my theater for our projectors and they work like a charm
Excellent quickie video 🫡
Nice to see ya do reviews on newer tech, thanks.
As someone who works in event production, I come across these devices pretty regularly. It works much better than a long HDMI run, granted, but the same type of conversion run over HD-SDI, is much more reliable in the field when setting up and breaking down the gear all the time.
this is how we do long hdmi runs for festival work as well, works a treat!
Nice! I use these for work for Point of Sales screens at restaurants for drive-thrus. It's very useful!
Just setup this same system about 6 months ago in a 60'x120' warehouse with TVs on either end. I have the 1x4 splitter and it works great. I typically run a Chromecast so can have it playing on all TVs at once or use the TV remote if I want something different on a single TV. No loss in quality like you would get in a long hdmi run
I never even knew you could do this, pretty good stuff
Cheers Matt, love these little nuggets 😊 Lee
I love your videos and channel they entertain me for hours thanks 🙏
Great job entertaining me with something I don't need, absolute master class.
We used to use similar devices when installing screens in shopping centres - often the PC and screens were not in the same location. We also use them at our church to drive a number of screens mounted on pillars from a PC at the back. They are incredbily useful and effective.
Yes! This is very helpful. I have been using this a year ago. Its COP is high. Can customize almost length to transmit video signal over longer distance.
I've got something similar for DVI cables. They've worked well for something like 15 years.
I have a similar box that works over cat5e, been using it for years and it’s fantastic.
Was just looking into this today!! PERFECT timing :)
Good to see it's working well for you. I had a related issue a couple of years ago where I wanted to send the video output of a PC to a video projector on the other side of a church. I found these type of cat6 options and worked out that I needed one that would work with a 50m cat6 cable. I ended up going through several options before I found one that worked but I now think that was because I was trying to use flat cat6 cables (to run under carpets etc) and it seems that those are not properly constructed. I did find one that worked though and it even allowed a hub to be used to connect to multiple displays (each with their own receiver). We run it at 1080p and never have any problems.
I've did this years ago for a PC setup in an "office" where I worked, the office is a small way to describe the operations centre for power control the utility I worked for. This was for video only and no CEC. Worked great,
Thanks! This might be extremely useful in our offices.
Great content as always, thank you!
Used similar to this for a pa and screen system worked really well
I don't know if these ever existed in the UK but in the US, TiVo did a very similar (if not identical) thing officially to be able to link two different TiVo units together and watch recorded shows on one on another TiVo-connected TV set. I don't think this was all that popular but I had their setup and it worked great once it was up and running. Just took a little bit of finagling to set it up but then both TiVos saw each other and you could watch stuff on either one recorded on the other, with no loss of quality or speed.
I like how they blend in with the decor…
I was using these about 15 years ago, they're good in the office where you have a noisy server in one room but need a video feed to the monitor in the other room. Never had a problem with them.
Nice! IMHO This will help loads more folks than you've anticipated...
Amazing timing. I just recently installed my 4K DisplayPort to HDMI over Cat6 rig. I use it to connect my PC in one room to the TV in my living room. Mine is a Tripp Lite box and it works perfectly.
Used these and older VGA/Composite/Component ones in museum exhibits. Always worked a treat. Have used the wireless ones, too, been okay. Some of them have been running 24/7 for 2-3 years at a time, no failures.
"Museum exhibits". 😩
@@jamespfitz Why pain? It was a big thing. First used them for a big show of those terracotta soldiers from China. Had lots of screens with videos and such all over the place. Running the sources from a centralised location was much, much easier than putting a little media player behind every TV.
Yeah they are great, I have exactly the same ones here and they replaced two much older larger units one for splitting the HDMI signal and the other box required two ethernet cables to transmit the signal between rooms. Theses Orei ones are much neater.
Wow, that looks like a very nice kit! Great Vid!😊
We got 16 of these for TVs displaying stuff at the office a few years ago. It works great.
I used one of these about 10 years ago. Might have even been the same brand - it worked great.
I used one of these via cat 6 to route virgin from downstairs. Paired an extra remote. Worked really well. Have sky stream now with two boxes until it gets too expensive,then will go back to this.
Use this for my projector. Works like a charm
We used a similar device at Reagan airport so that we could transmit the weather & plane position radar system from the operations room to the ramp breakroom so ramp personnel could see when planes were getting close to landing and get ready to go out and attend to it on the ground.
I literally just bought one of these and was about to send an email about this, looks like you already found it :3
You know you're old when you point the remote at the tv! 😆
I use this solution a lot in many sites. Works wonders
In a past life I helped run a chain of video gaming centers. I would fly out and help set them up. We used about 40-50 of these converters on site. Kept all the consoles behind the counter so staff could be disc jockeys and games would show up at each seat. They worked pretty well. We used them for years. They introduce a bit of delay but most folks didn't mind. And we had standalone PC seats to cater to them anyways.
That's really cool! Some good "service journalism," as my friends in local TV say
We've been doing this in the live music/concert industry for years. just have to use boosters to take video over long distances.
I think I’ll be using something like this to connect my CCTV system output to downstairs. Thanks for sharing!
extending hdmi over ethernet works great.. theyre much cheaper than getting long cables and you can reuse old network cables lying around
Good stuff my good man
I certainly enjoy all the videos, including these short form ones. With that said, I would probably still hook up the infrared setup as a backup in case the Bluetooth stuff get blocked or goes wrong or something ... since the Bluetooth stuff is currently working, you've got plenty of time to figure out anyhow :-) but that's just my two cents. I still enjoy the videos. Thank you for filming, editing, and posting them.
we use these a lot in schools to connect smart panels or projectors
Really enjoyed this one, had this issue when I was with virgin. Wish I know this then
You have all the cool stuff!!
One other thing to keep in mind is the limitation HDMI cables have as far as length is concerned. Using a sending/receiving kit with Cat 6 cable will handle long cable lengths up to 150 ft.
At our church, we're using Ocean Matrix brand HDMI to Cat 6 extender units and they works great. The kit we have has a 4 receivers total (1 for each TV) and a sender to distribute to 4 TVs. You just run a Cat 6 cable for each display to the sender and run a single HDMI from the sender to the video source. We also added in an HDMI switch box that allows manual or automatic switching of up to 6 HDMI sources to feed to all our displays.
I've used 2 of oeri devices for a few years now to have my computers in another room they work great well worth the money!
These have been around for ages, these have been high quality for ages, alot of professional projectors actuall have these built in.
We often use ones that use actual ethernet signals. They can be split using standard network switches.
The ones using actual Ethernet have lower image quality and a touch of extra latency.
Thank you as always, useful information eventually we'll use it one day thank you again😊😊
We’ve been using a similar kind of setup for the livestreams we do at our local church when there’s stuff happening outside. Though probably a much cheaper version. It’s quite neat that the units we have are powered by 5V DC so I made a little adapter so I could hook the transmitting end up to a power bank. Works a treat! Though there’s a noticeable latency in the transmission with ours so just be aware when using it for games consoles it might not be the ideal setup depending on the individual box.
Thanks for this video, I've a long HDMI run to a projector and it suffers a bit with drop outs, these and a run of cat6 might be just the ticket.
Very nice setup there. Especially considering you already had the Cat6 run from one room to the next it works perfectly. My only concern was your bluetooth remote but I suppose with the latest bluetooth standards (I think we are at 5.3) seems to work flawlessly for you. Great stuff :D
Wow, didn't even realise these really existed outside of commercial functions? I've recently installed a Sony X95L TV downstairs and want to get my office gaming PC into it, I'd have to consider a 4K60HZ Cat7 model, but great demonstration on how it works
In the pro av industry these are used all the time for conference rooms and offices they work really well
....also good as input/output audio cable extension!
I have connected my computer audio output with this cable to my stereo system which is bit far away from the computer(approx. 6 -7 Meters )
No hum.
Coolest HDMI-over-UTP job I ever worked on was a new medical/surgical training facility on Sydney's largest public hospital campus, multiple operating theatres and labs kitted out with remote-controllable PTZ cameras and a combination of shotgun and ceiling-hung microphones. The video + audio from any camera/room could be routed to any of the five floors of meeting/conference/research spaces via a chonky HDBase-T matrix switcher built by Magenta, which took up three equipment racks including the patch bays, had a high-six-figures price tag, and could send/receive 1900x1200 high framerate DVI video up to 500 metres over special UTP cable that had an equal twist rate for all four pairs, to minimise RGB skew. Pretty cool system for the mid-2000s.
I believe there are some systems which can transcieve/route/distribute digital video over a dedicated ethernet vLAN, but they're aimed squarely at the corporate/education/digital signage markets and are priced accordingly.
The Ethernet versions aren't too much more expensive. The Orei has an IP based kit for $89.99 compared to the more basic model Mat got which is $46.99. It's still twice the price but it's not crazy expensive.
Used one of these in a large auditorium with a ceiling mounted projector that was too far from the control booth for standard HDMI. . The one we used added a small amount of lag, nothing that would mess with a presentation, or even showing a movie, but enough that you couldn't play some games on it. Otherwise perfectly acceptable 1080p60 signal from whatever we had pumping out hdmi that needed shown.
Thanks - a very useful idea.
Very common in the install/ production world but it’s wonderful to have it trickle down to the consumer level :)