Toyota GR86 Concern - Am I The Only One?
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2023
- After completing the break in period on this car I am starting to question how much I really like this car. I need some help from my viewers/subscribers. If you have driven a new Subaru BRZ or Toyota GR86, please watch this video and leave a comment.
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I just can't buy a car without test driving it. These dealers are ridiculous expecting people to spend thousands of dollars blindly.
I really miss the old days but things are starting to return back to normal
I found two BRZ’s available for sale, a dealer in Jersey told me they didn’t want to put mileage on it so I couldn’t test drive it. They also gave me a monthly payment of $120 over the other dealer that I tested the car at and bought it home from 2 days later
this is a car you need to drive at the limit to have fun, especially when youre used to driving higher hp cars. your opinion would likely be different if youre tracking the car vs. day to day street driving.
I think those are very fair points!
RTV is not really an issue. The oil pickup has 5 sides and only one side can be blocked. The high RPM, high G right turn oil starvation is not something really exclusive to this car. My C6 Z06 has the same problem except it's for sweeping left turns (in fact, this affects LS engines in general, at least back then). The 86 definitely needs oil system upgrades for the track. And for both of these cars, I don't think it was ever a problem until after installing aftermarket tires and coilovers. As for the engine sounds, I turned off the fake engine noises and it sounded fine.
The power for the GR86 is OK, especially for the price. It can barely keep up with an STI but not a lot of people say the STI is slow, and it's just as fast as other older (and more expensive at the time, considering inflation) sports cars that weren't considered slow (for example, the FD RX7's 14 seconds quarter mile and the GR86's 14 seconds quarter mile). I think it's like you said where the BRZ's throttle mapping is linear while the GR86 is very aggressive which leaves you expecting more when you floor it, despite both having the same power. And right now, temperatures are so high even my Z06 feels a lot slower.
I think the way the car looks and high praise from reviewers makes people expect even more from this car, even though it's among the cheapest new sports cars. I upgraded to Michelin Pilot Sport 4S's and CE28SL wheels which made noticeable improvements but I'm still wanting more.
I think everything you said is very fair. Thank you for your thoughts on this!
Yeah the other thing is the internet is hysterical over a rare issue. Remember the iPhone bend thing? Literally no one in person I knew had that issue except the internet
I test drove this car last week. Coming from an RS3 it definitely felt slower but lighter and more fun to drive. Especially when keeping it in a high rev range and downshifting when over taking on the highway. Pretty fun to throw around in the corners as well.
Right on! I love RS3s. Good to hear your perspectives.
You captured the dual identity of this car perfectly. Some days you feel it does EXACTLY what you want it to do, the engine feels enough, the throttle feels enough, and it even feels like it pulls better. Other days is the polar extreme opposite...and i have no idea why. (EDIT: and dont expect anything more after half throttle - you may as well forget the bottom half of the throttle exists, which is fine, but...odd as a mapping decision.)
I daily drove the fr-s from 2013 until 2023 and traded it in for a 2023 gr86. It was easier for me going from the gen1 to a gen2 to appreciate the improvements, but the more i think about it that might actually be a requirement bespoke to feeling that improvement - relativity.
Some words of encouragement for you - traded my 2023 gr86 in for a 2024 integra S (I too was offput by the oil pressure issues). Dont get me wrong, the S is nice, quick, and has the space and creature comforts i want...but...maybe its because I drove the 86 platform for so long that it felt like an extension of my body that i cant help but miss the experience. Theres something to be said about cars feeling like cars, a machine youre sitting in, operating, but with separation. The 86 feels like you.
When I'm old and able to afford two cars, you better bet I'm getting back in the 86. I think that's sayin somethin.
Thank you for your perspectives on this!
Shell and Sunoco gas makes this car come alive, I've noticed
That mountain backdrop is stunning. R u near miller park?
Thanks! Where is Miller Park?
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@@WilChu I’m in UT county
I have a U.K. model and it’s free of the charcoals filter in the air box, so we get a few more HP, we also have a cool climate so my air conditioning can be switched off, it’s a power sapper, I drive in the track mode all the time, it allows a bit of slip without cutting back power, the throttle mapping was far too aggressive for me and we don’t have a tuner in the U.K. so I purchased a throttle commander, simple unit that allows you so reduce the pedal sensitivity enough to allow me to drive the car smoothly in traffic, if which I couldn’t before that mod.
The amount of power is enough, it’s perfect for road use, I can thrash it and not lose my driving licence as easily as you would in high power turbo cars, but the lack of weight is the star of the show, with better tyres the handling round our back roads is stunning, it’s where the excitement is, long straight roads are not what this car is about, it’s narrow twisty B roads.
Stick with it, tune it, and get better lighter wheels and stickier rubber, then the handling will be reason enough to hold on to her.
All great points. Thanks for sharing!
I had a GR86 premium for 1K miles. Got rid of it and got a Camaro. It was everything i wish what the GR86 was. I loved the looks of the GR more but now after 1 year with the Camaro i dont regret the decision.
Thanks for sharing. Camaros are so awesome!
owned a 2019 camaro for 3 years got rid of it and got a gr86 2023 premium and i miss my camaro. both cars are awesome i just wish i didnt have to get rid of the camaro because i would of have kept it.
i notice the AC affecting how the car drives and performs forsure. Also i agree with it feeling better on track mode/traction off. As for the tune, i dont have much reference since its the first car ive done any sort of spirited driving in :c
I have noticed the same thing! It’s a great car don’t get me wrong. Just doesn’t feel consistent
I have 1,500 miles on my BRZ. I don’t have any complaints. While I am not tracking mine or driving at the limits I find it to be exactly what I was looking for. . It is not a Mustang or WRX and is not as good at what they do best. As a lightweight sports car with excellent handling, it can’t be beet for less than twice the price.
Right on! Keep enjoying it!
I only test drove the automatic, and not for very long. The reason is, my dealer doesn't have enough manuals to allocate one vehicle for a test drive car. I'll say this right off the bat: I'll still get this car EVEN IN AUTOMATIC! That's how good it is...
That being said I still got to know the engine itself, which is the point here. I'll try and be concise; this engine is an 8/10 to me. I currently own a Mk7 GTI and it has an objectively better engine. Sure it's heavier and higher up, but the way it delivers power is more impressive. Torque comes early around 1600 RPM and stays to like 5k. I like turbos. They give you a bootful of acceleration, and some of them go stutututu~
But, and this might be 5 years of ownership speaking, I am a little over the whole turbo thing by now. To answer your question, no you're not alone in thinking the FA24 is kinda meh. But honestly, if you ever expected anything major out of this engine, with all due respect, you bought the wrong car. This isn't why the car was made. In today's world where every car is seemingly over complicated and overweight, the 86 seems... spartan. Too basic. Too underwhelming. But to some people like myself, that's a reason to get it. We like this car because it feels like something brand new from 20 years ago. This feels like an old school sports car from the 90s. Who cares that it "ONLY" makes 228 horsepower. If I can describe the way it drives in a word, it's: beautiful. This car drives as good as it looks. And boy does it look good. Personally, when I get mine, I'm not gonna touch the engine. From my drive, it became clear to me why this car exists, and I fell in love with it.
All very good points. Thanks for sharing!
It’s naturally aspirated, so ambient temperature also plays a role. In cooler temps (mornings, cold days) you’ll feel more power.
Yes
I feel this at night. When I leave work it's very fun, but I can't be sure cuz 1. there's little traffic at midnight, 2. I usually have a second-wind on the way home so I'm more awake. More than likely though the cool air does help even if mid-day traffic isn't that exciting to drive in. One thing I did notice from dynos is that the engine is sluggish while cold. On consecutive attempts when the oil is flowing better it performs better.
I know the feeling of not being able to test drive. Back in 2012 when I bought my 2012 WRX no dealers had any in stock and were sold before hitting lots. So I had to buy it in transit and I will say when I drove it off the lot home I immediately was like yep I do not like this. HAHA I will say i did the same thing with the 1LE. I never even got to drive ANY camaro to see how I felt and lucky when I picked it up last year I did not regret it at all have enjoyed every drive in it.
Yeah totally can relate to you on this!
I own one, def feel u on the ~4,000-6000 dip, it is a little disappointing, but taking corners in this thing, lettin the rear go, shit's fun. If u got the money u should do stage 1 mods, a tune, n some wheels/tires (maybe suspension) and that should fix your gripes with the car...O ya and clean out the RTV so it doesn't blow up.
Thanks for sharing!
I drove a 2022 GR86 while I was out there on the Utah Adventure with Everyday Driver. I didn't have any issues with it, but I also spent most of my (admittedly short) time with it in the upper RPM range. I thought it was really great. I did have an opportunity to grab one that was still being built by Toyota at a nearby dealership, but passed on it partly because if I'm going to get rid of the Camaro I think I want a purely dedicated sports car (have no need for practicality), but also because of the potential engine issues. From what I've read, it just seems like a design flaw with the 2.4 liter engine that they need to fix so that long right hand turns don't potentially starve the engine of oil.
It’s decent at the very top when pushed to the limit. Definitely a momentum car. You know the other car I have but I haven’t revealed and it’s sooo much better.
The concerns on the rtv for me would be someone tracking their car on those right corners and pulling gs
@@Gonin60 Yup, definitely still a momentum car. I don't mind that though, and in fact if I do go back to the MX-5, that's what that car is as well. I think with the MX-5 though, as with all convertibles, the fact of having the open top really adds to the whole experience, and you actually feel like you're going at it more even when just cruising around.
Step 1: REMOVE THE "CHARCOL AIR INTAKE FILTER"
STEP 2: Octane 93! If you don't have 93 in your state. Mix ratio (91 10.3gal 100 2.9gal)
Step 3: TPS spec 32psi front 33psi rear
Step 4: 5w-30 synthetic performance oil w/ oil lubricant additive
Step 5: feel the rest. Not enough power buy performance, no enough trac get wider tires. Not aero get more areo.
BRZ/86 was made to improve the driver not the car.
Notice the amount of wrecked hellcats on a lot vs clapped out 2013 frs still driving on the road rev matching so people hear there UEL tomies. There is a lot more to discuss about this car but a lot also has to do with environment, psychological, and economy(3 keys)
Step 1 I have done. Step 2 is unrealistic for me to do. I’ll give step 3.
I’m very aware of what the car is for. It’s just dead from 4-6k
@@Gonin60 I thought the same thing about step 2. But from actually doing it(west coast doesn't have a lot of 93) I noticed a difference in start-up, performance mainly on track. Then after going back to 91 I really noticed the difference. These fa24s MAP, AFR sensors are dialed to know the air to fuel contents. The ecu will retard combustion timing thus reduces torque and power on 91
Off topic, but damn that's a nice view from your driveway lol
Thanks!!
To fix the 1st gear engagement and takeoff from stop: pedal commander set to city -3 with an mtec clutch helper spring (or springless). This reduces/deletes throttle lag. Also SPC camber bolts and alignment for sharper handling and because factory alignment is pretty bad.
I actually think this is a great suggestion!
1st gear smooth take off is a skill issue more than anything, either you rev its tits off to the moon and shift with a quick zap or slowly release the clutch (half of a second really) when below 3000 RPM. Always blame the driver first before anything mechanical come on...
@@BB-wz6bx lol
I have a 22 GR86 with 9200 miles that's been tracked once. For daily and spirited back road driving I keep the car around 3200-4000 rpms. I've found there's plenty of torque when i want to accelerate briskly and usually upshift around 5000rpms. I find this to be the sweet spot of the engine. It pulls nicely in this range and there's still plenty of headroom when doing long passes on the highway. I do agree with the previous comment that you can feel an extra pull around 4500rpms.
On the track, I had the rev limiter beeper set at 6500rpms and did hit it a few times. But I honestly didn't pay much attention to what the engine was doing at that point because I was concentrating so much on everything else!
That said, I did change out the wheels and tires (17" rpf1's/michelin PS4S'") which do help with acceleration and grip. So the wheels spin up faster and I hold a bit more speed in the corners. But I really see no need, at least for me, to be spinning the engine up to 6000rpms on a regular basis. It does fine by me lower down. If anything, I wish 1st gear was a little taller.
Great insights and points. Thank you!
I received it two months ago and drove 4,000 kilometers This is Korea and there are many mountain roads and winding roads, but it is excellent on the winding road. It feels like a Japanese car in the early 2000s. Compared to the cars that come out these days, the output is so low, but the sharp movement in the corner is incomparable This car is worth buying and likely won't come out in the future😊
Right on!
I wouldn't like it if all the roads near me were only straight lines
Yeah that’s fair!
You seen the kid street racing his blue one and beating a lot of older jdm? Even a v6 mustang too I think.
Seems like the fa24 was designed with a turbo in mind. They removed the turbo for this car, threw 1000 more revs at, now the torque just isn't there for most of the rev range. (Added: The fa24 engine wants loads of air and fuel (see fuel economy, or lack there of, when driving anywhere except outside of boost) it's starving without the forced induction because it's not tuned well enough to have good naturally asperated torque.)
It has never had a turbo to be fair. It’s more about weight savings and keeping it naturally aspirated.
NA init, high pressure, cool days... yippee!! The atmostphere is your turbo on these things!
Thanks
I feel like with my GR86 Im either driving it in the low rpms to save on gas on the streets so I never really car about the lil dip, but when I go autocross and I really get up in the rpms past the dip its a really fun car. But im a lil biased Its my first new car and I’ve mostly only driven shirt boxes. I always look at it as slow car fast, especially when I’m on mountain roads it’s extremely fun and I don’t feel like I’m in danger if I really push it.
Right on!
Hey man! Love the videos! Keep ‘em rolling. I have a question, I’m planning to buy my first sports car and I’m either going for the GR86, civic type R, or a 981 Boxster S. Will I be underwhelmed with the GR86? What can I do with it to match the other cars?
Hey! Thanks for watching! What year on a civic type r? Do you need the extra space? What is most important to you in a car?
@@Gonin60 Hey man! Thanks for responding! I am a single guy in college and I plan on keeping the car as my only car for the next 4 to 5 years. I am generally used to driving economy cars but I finally have the chance to buy my first performance car. I was thinking about the FL5 civic type R but then I thought I may get the same thrills for cheaper like the Boxster S or the GR86. I don't need that much practicality, just the best driving car. I am a very minimal guy hahaha. Thank you so much!
Shiven, type R with markups will be 60k-80k, not worth it. Buy a new GR86 for MSRP. If you can't buy a GR86 for MSRP, buy a BRZ because it's the same car.
haha thanks for the advice man! My Toyota dealer is willing to get me a gr86 at MSRP but I would have to wait for a month or two which I don't mind. My Honda dealer added a 3k premium so its selling for 48k before taxes. Great deal but that's only because my family have bought multiple cars from that dealer. The GR86 is still 33k out the door for the premium model. I am still so conflicted. @@braetonwilson4296
Main things are the electronic throttle + heavy fly wheel, makes the factory tune feel very unresponsive when it should be more refined. Top end is abysmal.
I have pretty quick Evo 8. So I compare them all the time. But you really can’t because this thing is a “momentum” car. I can enter a corner way faster/confidently, load up my suspension and let it rip on the way out better than my evo can. My evo is lowered and has bilsteins too!
All in all. This car has 10/10 for handling but a 5/10 for power, which I feel is on purpose to make you more confident in the corners. Turbo would alter the driving characteristics a lot! I put it in the momentum car category with Miata’s, S2k’s, mr2, etc
Yeah I think those are fair points for sure and it is a momentum car. The s2k is just so much better in my opinion.
S2k’s last until 300k too lol man I want a new one so bad
in my 2022 BRZ if it's hot out and i'm using the AC it's much less responsive - maybe do a comparison at night when it's cooler and no AC.
I will definitely do that! Thanks for sharing!
And do not forget: this is a boxer engine and needs to check oil level regularly and fill up if needed!
Thanks!
I drove a low miles used one and 💯 that was my feeling - just felt like no balls and why I didn’t consider it further - glad you made this video
Thanks man! It’s not too bad down low but falls on its face.
The car definitely feels a bit rougher in the morning. The throttle response also throws off my shift timing at times.
It’s just very odd
When it comes to straight line performance it probably wont feel fast compared to something with much more torque. This car really shines in cornering/turns, and predictable. However you do need to prioritize whats important to you and want to feel out of a car. But like you said, for the price, you get alot of car for your money. Just keep the engine/ecu stock and drive how you normally would. If anything breaks its covered under warranty. If its still running well by 5yr/60k and you dont trust it before the warranty expires, sell/trade it in. No car is perfect and only time will tell how reliable these motors are. I plan to keep my (22 GR86 6AT w 11k ) til it blows, so hopefully it wont happen anytime soon😅 Best of luck regardless!
Yeah good points and I know this car is t a straighline car. Just don’t like the tube and 4-6 where I falls flat on it’s face.
@@Gonin60 yesss, I wish this platform had some sort of Vtec or Lift. That would fill in that 4k -6k+ 😅 But I do agree, you dont feel the pull after 4k. Then again this is my first rwd sports car coming from Foresters and economy fwd cars so I dont know what real torque feels like 😁
Fujibo, how would you compare this to the Corolla hatchback CVT? I'm trying to decide if I should buy the Corolla CVT with the 2 liter engine or the GR86 with the automatic.
@@braetonwilson4296 Tough to say since they are both completely different platforms and purpose. GR86 is a rwd, sports car, Rolla is a 4dr economy car.I would say if it was CVT vs 6AT, I would take standard 6AT automatic anyday over CVT. However the Corolla will have more storage room and will be cheaper. Personally I would never recommend or buy CVT ever again after my experience. The GR86 6AT has been an awesome daily driver sports car for me. Almost at 12k mi
I’m not sure, my GR86 doesn’t really wake up until about 4000 RPM. Reminds me of 1990’s VTET yo. I can also start off on flat ground without throttle. So it sounds like yours might be lacking some power.
I have 12k miles on mine, a 2023 bought Jan 23. I may have done some some track days, maybe 8 now 😂. I have changed all fluids and mine came with the GR exhaust. That’s the only power related things done to it.
Maybe it’s driver error on my part lol
The flat 4 isn't known for high revs. Dumping the clutch and chirping the tires is hard on the car. I'd focus on the torque curve then shift.
I didn’t dump the clutch. This car revs high. No manual is meant to have the clutch dumped.
The lack of a turbo is the issue. With a turbo and around 300HP, this thing would be a real missile. But at least here in Europe, we complain at a very high level. We'll not be getting these pure sportscars anymore shortly and they sold only a couple of thousands in the whole of the UE. We'll be left with those electric washing machines for outrageous prices.Yes, they may have a million HP, but that's just not what a petrolhead wants.
Good insights!
The BRZ has defintly the softer throttletune...the one of the GR86 is more aggressiv. I have the GR86 from 2022 and its so hard drive it from the line with low revs..feel sorry for the clutch every time. But if you know "The toopher" with his BRZ, he uses a pedal-commader and is happy with it.
Powerwise i am not complaining maybe its because i only fill in 102 Octane. For what it is it has enough power i think, but i am also a bit concerned about the idling-sound.
Nice! Thanks for the tips.
I agree! 4-5,5 revs the torque is very dead, the fun zone is between 6-7,5 revs. I feel the same! somedays I just love it drifting around, and other times at the highway I miss the torque of Turbo car like the I30N (Elantra N) I had before...😮💨😅
This! This is the only point I’m trying to make. I get what the car was designed for and it’s purpose.
Yeah! This car is meant for canyon roads, at the highways it need's to drop 3 gear to move somewhat quick, but if you stay in the "fun zone" it's not bad consider it's only 4 banger without turbo😎
Late reply, but I own a 10th anniversary manual. I know the feeling and you're not going crazy. The car shugs on certain gas stations gas. So far shell and Sunoco is the only gas I get, because the car runs way better than on other ones. Try shell or Sunoco, you'll feel the difference.
Thank you and will do!
@@Gonin60 let me know if it fixed your problem!
My only two complaints about my BRZ that I bought last month in July is the shifting into 1st, 2nd, 3rd are horribly rough. There’s some clunky or bumpiness going into those gear. Second is how this engine shakes like crazy when it’s idling. Just sitting in my car and I feel like I’m a boat with the engine shaking from time to time.
Mine was that way. Currently at 11,000 miles, and shifting is much smoother now from first to second and second to third.
Good to hear!
Sounds like it gets better from Matt Houses comment.
I have the same issue In my gr86!
Almost feels like the you’re fighting the synchros
@@realpopcaan if second doesn't grind horribly it just clunks into place very abruptly, it gets better when its warm however
That town looks surreal… like the suburbia on tv
Thanks
I have a 22, and I don’t have a scenario to where the car didn’t feel lively. I believe the 86 is fun through and through. There is only one car that is better and that’s the Miata. Once you get a tune for the throttle response I believe it’s perfect.
Right on!
so i own a 2014 turbo brz. if you can afford it I would just boost it after you've had enough of the stock power. the kits off the old cars bolt straight up to the new ones, get a full-blown or jdl kit they make 400 whp on pump with 8lbs of boost with the new gen. but you didn't hear this from me.
Good to know. Thanks!!
why does this car attract too much paranoia? Just drive the car Its been fine for 12,000 people. If you want more power there's turbochargers and superchargers and it will still be cheap relatively
Turbo charger and super chargers will not be cheap. I’m just asking opinions here. It’s a great car but sure a lot worry about rtv etc.
Re taking off smoothly and not stalling it: maybe you're wearing chunky shoes and can't feel the pedals as well as you should, or there could be something wrong with your particular model. Several people have had this issue.
Re the power: the flat line simply means the power is linear, rather than having a turbo boost. If you're not enjoying it, perhaps it's not the right car for you. There are a lot of cars with more power if that's your thing.
Yes. I have owned a lot of different cars in different power levels.
My GR86 Premium, with 11,000 miles, has a surge of power at 4,000-4,500 which lasts to redline. Not sure if that is normal for the car, haven't talked with many owners. Personally love the car, only complaint I have is its not very practical for a college student moving around lol.
I can confirm that the 2023 on pilot sport 18s has a noticeable pickup after the slight dip (so around 4500) that lasts until redline. I think it's a fairly commonly held experience
So is it the tires or what?
Thanks for sharing!
Hey brother when we gonna get a live chat outta you? 😂
I need to. It’s been too long
Remove the charcoal filter first and foremost. Then think about getting a tune either flex fuel e85 or add some headers
I already moved the charcoal air filter and talked about it in the video
Its because you are at 4,200 feet above sea level. You need a turbo car.
Yeah
I agree with your assessment it felt very similar to me in the BRZ I test drove recently, feels like it needs a Turbo.
Yeah just a little more power
I love mine. If you want more HP put a turbo in it. This vehicle is designed for modifications. You are buying a blank canvas. Toyota gave us a great platform to play with. The proportions of this vehicle are perfectly designed.Beautiful car. I can fit a guitar and an amp in it. Try that in a Miata :p
Nice
Pretty sure it's your elevation. Also, like you said, the tune. Get a tune bro! Pretty simple haha
Okay
You're just expecting too much from 205 to the wheels. You answered your own question regarding tuning. Rtv isn't really an issue, it's overblown my social media. Oil pressure is if you have enough grip and know how to push on corners.
Thankw
I guess get the BRZ if you think the tune is more linear
I would need to drive both back to back to tell if there is a big difference
Its for canyon drive and winding road. If you are not doing that with this car, you may not like it.
Yeah sounds like he needs a FWD turbo for the kind of driving he's doing. I'm in-between 2 mountian passes and I enjoy the car every single time I get behind the wheel. I can imagine driving in traffic
I get what the car is far. I just don’t like the 4-6k flat range
I think your perspective is skewed I have a 2017 86 and it has a huge torque dip but I am a momentum/back road guy. If you have owned a ton of super fast muscle cars your going to be disappointed
Cool
I had the same issue so I traded mine in for a mx5 .
Got it. How you liking the mx5?
@@Gonin60I'm 5 11" 185. Car felt great. Mx5. But it's really low, and felt really tight to get in and out of.. if ur 5"6. 140. Ul feel great.
Wecome
Thanks
I feel pretty much the same with my car, was super hyped to get it thought it would be great and at first it was, but 2200 miles later and I have the exact same sentiment, some days it feels great and fun whilst others not so much haha. Really considering switching to something else honestly
I’ve driven a lot of cars and this car has some challenges. I have never driven a car so sensitive to weather, ac etc. Some days I love it and it feels so good and perfect and lively. Other days it feels lethargic
You need to try a 6th gen Camaro SS! They drive and feel like sex!
Have you watched my channel and the cars I have owned before?
Did you consider an MX-5 when you were purchasing your GR86? It may have less hp (181hp vs 228hp), but it's also a good deal lighter (1058kg in soft top form vs 1287kg), so their power to weight ratio is quite similar (171hp/ton vs 177hp/ton). Fuel-wise, it's also more friendly to your wallet, requiring only 91 octane vs 95 for the GR86 unless you want to tune it, in which case...
If you want more power from the MX-5, don't add turbos, but rather use a tuning package like this from SPS Motorsport (czcams.com/video/FS6D_nAceZI/video.html). It raises the rev-limit to a VTEC-like 8000rpm (same as the AP2 Honda S2000), and improves the power-to-weight ratio (204hp/ton).
The only downside to my suggestion is that since you already own a Mazda RX-8, I imagine it isn't preferable to own two cars from the same manufacturer. In any case, I hope you find a good solution for your GR86 dilemma.
I love Mx5s! Hope to own one some day! I have another car I bought that will explain some of the things on my Toyota.
A comparable MX5 that is track ready is the club model, those run about $40k. I got my GR86 at $29k. I looked at a Camaro SS 1LE for $47k. If you planned to take the Miata to the track, I think you’re better off looking at the NB’s and upgrading. If you want a twisty backroad car, I prefer the GR86 as the Miata is to soft factory unless you get the club which is to much $$. So the Miata IMO is only got the open car factor over the GR86.
BTW, that tune really only works for ND2’s.
Just like a S2000, this kind of car only makes sense if you drive it in the Canyon or use it on the track.
S2000 is far superior
@@Gonin60 Better manual gearbox feel and higher revving engine on the S2000 but the body structure(convertible) is not as strong as the GR86 and snappy oversteer at the limit on my AP1.
@@johns9904 the vtec cross over is so good. I doubt a new gr86 would last anywhere near as long as an s2000
100% it’s too slow. What makes it worse is that it’s so close. Just a little bit more and it would be the perfect enthusiast car. Also side note, also bought a house almost right next to yours 😂
Right on
Too slow? That depends on your perspective. I daily drive a 2023 Honda HR-V that has a 0-60 of 13 seconds. Compared to that HR-V, this GR86 is a space rocket!!
Are we expecting too much from a 28k car?
Maybe
It's just you.
It’s you
what altitude are you at?
4500 ish
the view 😍
Thanks!
it's just lack of torque because this car is faster than the new 22 wrx
It’s lack of torque cause it’s faster than a 22 Wrx? I own both
I was literally thinking this all day.
Thanks!
I can tell if the gas is not 93_ some gas stations lie.
Oh yeah?