GM Is Building THESE Special HD Trucks for the Government...But What About Us?
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You mean with all of the emissions removed because saving the planet is a top priority.
Well ...in fairness, it's pretty important that it always runs. So there's that...
My groceries are equally as important as a soldier’s life, so the emissions stuff has to go
@@1guyin10 Not really though, these are general support vehicles that are used to transport soldiers or supplies in garrison and are extremely unlikely to ever see combat.
Imagine it……a GM vehicle that will never have an EVAP leak
@@ozzyngcsu, doesn’t matter, government diesels always come without emissions because they need to be able to run at anytime and for any period of time as well.
Best looking HD GM truck I've seen in ages. So it only makes sense it isn't available to the public.
Give it time
Marketing insists on a much bigger grille for retail-market trucks.
No DEF add ons, no hypercomplex electronics, mean looks. Man, this would be an absurd hit in the real world. Not overstylised yet still looks modern and unique. Crazy how often function over form on trucks still net a good looking truck.
Guaranteed none of those government vehicles have any emissions equipment on it because they actually want them the last a long time
Military vehicles do not.
@@craigquannCORRECT!
I would like to be able to buy a Silverado 1500 with zero emission controls.
“Military grade” is just “built to a certain spec by the lowest bidder.” Nothing that special.
Heavier, slower, more modularity (making maintenance and repair easier), more tech manuals, redundant circuitry… it’s more than just cheaper. The lowest bidder has to meet all the specs and beat all the other candidates at trials.
I'm also guessing that many of these are not going through the standard procurement procedures. Could have been a sole source. Guaranteed they aren't cheap.
The military lays down the specs of what they want, the lowest bidder gets to make it, to the military standard.
And that "certain" spec is generally well beyond the typical commercial vehicle.
If you were literate, you would read a couple RFPs any gov agencies put out, even for window washing if that is your level.
You would see they have many requirements. And cheap doesn’t get you the contract. There are other factors.
Simple minds need to simplify things in order to try to understand them. They are ultimately remedial and fail.
As someone who served in 2 branches I don’t think military grade means what you think it does.
It depends on what it is imo (I'm from Europe though).
Some things are incredibly well built and will last forever and others are just something crappy civilian with less tech.
as a machinist who makes parts out of military grade materials, it is absolutely not what you think it is.
I was thinking it’s probably pretty much a stock ZR2 with a basic interior and detuned engine. Especially if it lets you run without the need for DEF it will probably be even more reliable. Now if it’s 24v then the electronics might not be.
"Military Grade" should not be a selling point when the gov't usually buys the cheapest service/product available. Being a veteran and having worked with the DoD as a civilian, i've seen 'Military Grade' first hand.
"lowest qualified bidder". Or as we like to call it the best of the worst.
As someone who had to manage a DoD fleet/motor pool for navy govies, "military grade" is the last thing I want anywhere near me. "Military grade" means death trap.
I came here to say similar. US/NATO military contractors are some of the biggest grifters on the planet. War = MASSIVE Wealth Transfer.
Haha - you beat me to it! I always laugh when I hear a company advertise military grade as if it were a positive!
For 300 times the market price
I do believe they should bring back the 2500 Suburban they were a great vehicle and you could tow like 10,000 lbs + 6 people the truck is also cool I wish we could get both of them LOL
100% agree with this. For my uses, this would be the PERFECT vehicle.
SUV diesels would be great. The 7.3 powerstroke excursion was awesome
I have a 2500 suburban, definitely a workhorse.
I went onto that website; nothing is classified, and all those vehicles and all the specs are for all to see. You can upload the PDF
We used to have plenty of Chevy LSSV truck when I was in the navy. 2005-2005 Crew cab short bed 2500, a few 3500 crew cab dually trucks and newer generation ones. Not bad, they did their job. Would be cool to own one, if the price was right.
There's a thousand car reviewers on CZcams but only one TFL, these guys are the best!
Thank you for the kind words.
@@TFLnow My pleasure!
The website claims it to be with the 6.6l duramax, dssv shocks, and electronic front locking diff 🤯
Government has contracts with Ford and GM to provide these no frills trucks for military use. I worked on integrating comms into Navy ones called LSSV: light service support vehicle. The best part is the miltary CARC matte paint on these. Wish we could buy them like this straight from the factory.
Best CARC paint ever!
At some point, these will probably come up for civilian purchase at auction just like the CUCV M1009 has.
After all the emissions garbage is put back on them before it goes to auction.
I remember in 1985. I was stationed at Fort Irwin. We had the old jeeps and the Dodge ram charger pickups, with the 440 engines. They worked great for us, even though they were beaten up pretty good. They took all the Dodge pickup away and gave us what they called a cut v. Chevy pickup in 4x4. Got stuck all the time. Never happen with the M880. We had five of them and got one Chevy to replace them.
The M880 By Dodge were permanent full time trucks which didn’t have a part-time or 2 wheel drive mode at all, for you youngsters who don’t know. The CUCV by GM had the same Detroit Diesel 6.2 V8 as the original HMMV’s but they were part time 4wd drive but they may have been a few full time trucks but I never saw any but I’m no expert authority just a veteran who had to get his military operators/drivers license for most moving equipment for unit deployment purposes reasons to include the outgoing Jeeps we had access to.
In the 1980s and '90s, GM made the M1008 series of HD pickups/chassis cabs called CUCVs.
Most of the military vehicles use a “multi-fuel” engine which will run using either diesel or jp8 jet fuel.
f-24. jp-9 isn't available
@@davidporter7051 JP-8 is the military equivalent of Jet A-1 with the addition of corrosion inhibitor and anti-icing additives; it meets the requirements of the U.S. Military Specification MIL-T-83188D. It is the dominant military jet fuel grade for NATO airforces. The UK also have a specification for this grade namely DEF STAN 91-87 AVTUR/FSII (formerly DERD 2453). NATO Code F-34.
The front end on that Chevy look better than the current model Chevy's! 😮 Love the flat green color, too... 😎
The original LUV was built by ISUZU and was offered with a 4 cyl gas or an ISUZU 4 cyl diesel engine.
GM was the owners of Isuzu back in those days
GM Duramax® 6.6L turbo diesel V8 (LSP)
@@RogueDemagogue Can you please give some context for your reply?
@@garysarratt1 on that website is a tab to check out all the specs of all the military vehicles they make. They even have a PDF to upload, nothing is secret.
Modern incarnation of the ‘80s CUCV. They had versions updated every generation since then too.
"Military Grade" sounds good until you've had to use and depend on "military grade."
The number of clueless comments generated from a position of ignorance is astounding.
@@hwirtwirt4500 are you going to enlighten us with some of you knowledge, or is this an introspective comment?
@@jameswallace26 Ignorance is bliss, stay blessed.
@hwirtwirt4500 As I thought, no meaningful dialog, just insults about those who don't share the same thoughts as you. Have a great night.
They make bullet proof Suburbans in Bedford Park, IL. A company called Scalletti does the conversion. They have them lined up outside the factory.
“Scalletti” is perfect, should be New Jersey instead of Illinois 🤣
Damm expensive I bet
Wise guy edition
DoD did something very similar back in the 80s with the K5 blazers and chevy 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. They took basically a standard K5 blazer and modded it to fit the military's needs. It was supposed to cut down on the cost of procuring non-combat, support vehicles. From I heard, they didn't work to well. I had an old army K5 for awhile, I believe it was labeled as a M1009 although I could be wrong on that. Nice truck, crappy engine and getting parts was kind of tough because it had a hybrid 12/24v electrical system. A parts guy looked at me kinda funny when I told him I needed a 24v starter for a blazer. Pretty sure he thought I was crazy.
Only the starter and glow plugs used 24v, easy to convert to all 12, I own one
Back in the 40s and 50s, Dodge came out with the civilian Power Wagon, which was popular with returning WW2 GIs. This is one example of military vehicles making it to the civilian market.
it's very weird that they spelled it the same way as gm's original 70's and early 80's chevy LUV but in no way comparable.. wonder what LUV stood for back then cuz it couldn't been the same as the new one
Light Utility vehicle in 1970s civilian context is not the same as Light Utility Vehicle in modern military context. It's just a coincidence
Light Utility Vehicle
I saw one of these a couple of days ago filling up at a Brookshire Brothers grocery store in Bellville Texas. I did a double take and then it drove away. It was that green color with everything else blacked out. May have been a civilian copy, but looked great!
best looking gm trucks imo
Heated & ventilated massaging passenger seats for the old man and the XO 🤣
We need more trucks like that, bares bones, highly capable runners ☝️
The new GM Defense manufacturing facility is located literally around the corner from my neighborhood
Is it cool?
Literally?
And the great civilian low mounted rear shocks to drag on everything
Hopefully no more cylinder deactivation crap
Heavy Duty V8s have never had it
@@Tiovergudojust like they never had the 8 speed automatic, thankfully
That's the truck I want. Sign me up.
You probably have a recruiting station not too far away. They might even pay you to play with their toys.😉
Like the mid 2000s chevy "Milverado" the Canadian Army bought... mostly for the reserves.
Be looking for these at government auctions in a few years
The Defense website states the LUV is a prototype that leverages the Silverado HD platform. The powertrain listed is the 6.6 Dmax with the Allison 10 speed.
Military Grade simply means "no frills" so the military gets a vehicle that has only the bare minimum needed. I for one would love to buy a truck like that but the reason GM would never offer a no frills truck to the public is they would miss out on the opportunity to mark up the price for such creature comforts as AC/Heated seats, automatic parking, child sensor locks to let you know if you left the General locked up in his car seat in the second row.
CB so manufactures do know how to make the truck the us market wants. Just they won’t
The SOTV-B is basically a Colorado on steroids. Can’t get that one either.
GM should bring back the old LUV as a maverick competitor
If you look at more recent winch setups on military vehicles, they are mounted on the outside of the frame, typically just a little aft of the cab on the passenger side. The cable can be routed to the front or the rear as need be. They don't use a hook on the end, rather a clevis. So that truck may actually have a winch on it, but the cable is not pulled through the front fairlead.
Can’t wait to see that cucv on the surplus sites in a few years 🎉
👏👏 Nice Job guys ...
The HD SUV is just what they’re calling the 3/4 ton Suburban after they’re removing it from the civilian market.
I remember the OG Luv trucks abandoned along highways in the 80s
Sooo how is it equipped?
They should put a pink bowtie on it!😂
Hello to Andres Garage. I have heard that the heavy armered vehicles for VIPs shall look as standard as possible not to tell "here I am, please shoot at me". Thanks to to of the best and wisest people in TFL. Best Regards from Arne in Norway
We don't get these versions because they don't have emmissions on them and as the saying goes rules for the but not for me .
They look very similar to the new Catipiller PU!
Hopefully the reuse of commercial parts (COTS) results in cost savings to the taxpayer. We need all the help we can get!
Here is what this truck is: a beefed up Chevrolet ZR2 HD pickup with minimal creature comforts, a 6.6L Duramax diesel engine with no emission controls that will run on #2 diesel fuel, #1 diesel fuel, kerosene, or Jet A fuel, and will likely cost U.S. taxpayers about $200K-$250K per truck, if not more. Note here, too, that many of the other Chevy Colorado-based military vehicles built by GM Defense use the 2.8L "baby" Duramax diesel that has a timing belt that has to be replaced fairly regularly and is not even built in the U.S., but is built in Thailand using a VM Motori (Italy) design. I wonder if the military has figured out how to get parts for a foreign-designed engine built in a foreign country if a new World War cranks up . . .
I liked my 3/4 ton big block Suburban's.
Wonder how much they are being fined per day by the EPA
Enforcement agencie not law making
History repeats itself. Some program manager pulled out and dusted off the CUCV playbook from the ‘80s and is reusing it.
Finally the truck we want but can’t have.
If its military its diesel, or JP-8 specifically. Being able to use a common fuel is extremely important in the field.
What no sunroof?
Did you notice the size of the rear end gear housing in the LUV? 1T+ maybe? Back in 2012, I upgraded my 09 2500HD because they combined the 3/4T and 1.0T to all 1.0T. So my 2012 2500HD has all 1T running gear/frame etc. So a heavy Suburban would be the same deal. My 2012 has a lot of bolt on stuff and only 33k miles, 6.0 Iron block LS. I haven't found a good reason to upgrade yet. It's been paid for for 8 years, and would cost 2X what I paid to upgrade to newer. I love my truck, and I have KO3's on it. 8) The matching glass cap w/all carpet inside is cool too. It has been mistaken for a Suburban! 8) Peace --gary
You guys should do a future video on the history of these. It’s really interesting. Prob get a lot of views.
I’ve seen big power stroke Ford’s around Norfolk, since the end of Chevy’s domination
That ended in 2014.
There’s M880’s
CUCV’s
CUCV 2’s
LSSV’s
The new fords since 2014.
All kinds of formats.
And lately, a whole batch of diesel MZRZ ATV’s.
All of these are auctioned and traded regularly. Super fun, and you might get a good deal.
Govplanet and Govdeals.
Enjoy. Look for LSSV’s with factory 6” lift and 35’s! Too sweet!
6:40 Could be exhaust but I wonder if it could be a live PTO access as well?
My first vehicle was a 1974 Chevy LUV. It was a fun little truck and was unstoppable, other than you could actually hear it rust. 😂. Basically, an Isuzu import with Chevy badges.
Would like to see the interior, to see how minimal they went with the dashboard.
Love the truck. Best looking GM front end in a long time!
I have an old military Chevy pickup. They were labeled as CUCVs, commercial utility cargo vehicle.
The Taliban beat us with a bunch of Tacomas, but GM still taking all our money 🦅🦅
Got to drive some of the last Gen armored suburbans in Iraq. Heavy beasts on the order of 13,000lbs. Aftermarket company did the armoring but the suspension was still stock. Lots of over time for the depot there modifying the suspensions to not ride on the bump stops. Hopefully 1st party armoring will prevent this.....
I like how you guys are guessing at who drives these in govt capacity like you know, but you’re clearly pulling straight from the ass. That’s why I love TFL.
I assume these will be free due to the bail out……
No DEF i bet!
Probably multi fuel too.
No DEF and armored for the politicians that want to disarm us and make us get rid of our trucks and gas stoves.
Military diesels don’t have emissions or cylinder deactivation.
@@CornFed_3and military vehicle reliability is garbage.
@@davidporter7051, depends on who’s using them and maintaining them. Like I said earlier, most don’t know anything about vehicle maintenance and use, let alone heavy duty diesels.
Canada runs the older version (2004 or so) for reserve units.
From their website:
Specifications
POWERTRAIN AND DRIVETRAIN
ENGINE
GM Duramax® 6.6L turbo diesel V8 (LSP)
TRANSMISSION
Allison 10-speed automatic transmission
TRANSFER CASE
GM AutoTrac® 2-Speed transfer case
FUEL SYSTEM
Common rail direct injection with high-pressure electric fuel pump
Small fuel door, so no DEF, I imagine it has a Banks-modified engine? If so it would have tremendous power, surely it is governed (I used to duty drive, I know what dogs they were).
Preparing for the Civil War part 2.
Can't wait to buy a busted up one 30 years from now!
It looks like it is a GM version of the Power Wagon.
Gm has a zr2 2500 already
Maybe leave the military vehicle reviews to us Andrey lol... After all, we are military members now running a review channel
I will check out your channel, never heard of you before, but do not question Andre, man… well, unless he’s speccing a new truck for you, of course🤣
@@garysarratt1 Hahaha I love TFL. they are the best. Thanks for checking us out, I unfortunately won't get to drive these since I'm on my way out. Retirement scheduled for this November 😁
@@Outsider.Reviews Oh, I thought you’re a veteran. You’re still active duty? Thank you for your service, even if you are a “foreigner”, I was in the US navy in the 80’s.
@@garysarratt1 I'm almost a veteran lol I have 3 deployments to Afghanistan and one in Iraq but I'm still currently in service awaiting medical release from injuries linked to service so I'll be a Vet soon. Thank you for your service.... Even if it is just the Navy ;)
Airborne!
@@Outsider.Reviews 🙄
I wonder if they still come with waxed frames. The military is better off with something that wont rust out from beneath service members.
I bet no DEF
The split tail gate on the truck looks like it can be rigged to be dropped out of a cargo ship and parachute to the ground for special operation insertions.
Specs for an up armored suburban are top secret? Yeah, not a chance, sensitive maybe, but definitely not even secret.
To carry all that heavy armor, I'm sure they get a version similar to the old 2500 - which is off limits for us plebes to own. We get to pay for it. We just can't have it.
definitely not secret at all,even Wikipedia has the info on it. the only truly top secret vehicle GM makes is Cadillac one(the presidential limo) as everything about it is just speculation.
Slight changes add emissions garbage if needed but this would sell and the hd suv would sell some.
For those of us in the know, "military grade" isn't all that praise-worthy lol.
No giant tailpipe, a hole in the bumper, and the small fuel door. Gasser?
Shoot people already complain about pricing, they don't wanna pay "military grade" pricing.
We’re paying it every April
WOW!!!!!! I want one!!!!
Hey now.. I want an up armored suburban! haha
I would love a tahoe 2500 zr2 with a 6.6 loter gas engine and front and rear lockers.
To simplify logistics, the military uses a single fuel -- JP8. That indicates to me this thing probably has a diesel engine.
GM Duramax® 6.6L turbo diesel V8 (LSP) w/ Allison 10-speed automatic transmission
It tells you under specs on the website.
That was a UH-60 Blackhawk
Thank you!
It likely has a 28 volt electrical system.
Need one of those! Wonder where they go when the military is done with it?
Since the emissions system was removed, they will probably be crushed.
They sell them at government auctions.
@@dillonh321nope they get auctioned off. When the military is done with them they are either over 26 years emissions exempt or they sold as off road use only.
Diesel powered so they can burn aviation fuel
That midsize chassis looks a lot like it’s begging to be a Blazer…
Lot of those suburbans are supercharged.
Military grade usually means you have to do your PM and fix it at least once a week. And if it's not leaking oil, it'll probably fail.. And it's probably over-priced That's what I learned from the military.
That looks like a short bed ?
Probably has a modified duramax so it can run on F24 miliary fuel. Won't work with a DPF but can still run a catalytic converter like recent hmmwv's have.
They should be selling these to the public, since they are probably way overcharging the government for them using out taxpayers dollars.
So basically, the military gets the trailblazer civilians have been asking for...