Honda Forza 300 Top Speed (NSS300) with 220lb/100kg Driver
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2020
- Looking to see what the top max speed is on my Honda Forza 300 (NSS300) with it's 279cc engine and a driver payload of:
220 pounds (100kg)
6 feet 2 inches (188cm)
There are three attempts at finding the top speed on an expressway with some rolling topography. Outside temperature was 91 deg F (33 deg C). Video shot in Allendale, MI.
0:30 Introduction
1:37 1st attempt
3:10 2nd attempt
4:49 3rd attempt
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I’m 16, just picked up this exact scooter for $1100, talked it down from 1600. It has 18k miles. This thing is amazing I can already drive it really good and I got it up to 50mph and after that I was a bit scared speeding and all 😂 getting my license soon so it’s gonna be very fun to get to school and work. Looking forward and good video this thing is a beast
@JtacLIVE-vq6pu - Hey congrats on your new Forza. I have 2 myself, one here and one in Thailand. Took many long multi-day trips with it. Question: does the seat stay up? I'm putting in a stronger hydraulic hinge on mine soon, look for that video in a few weeks. Be safe out there, wear a helmet and drive on the defense. When you're on a motor bike it doesn't matter who's right or wrong, you want to be around to ride another day! Good luck and enjoy your new ride!
I just bought a 2014 forza. You're videos are right on-the-money.
@angelcortes8531 - Hey congrats - hope you enjoy the Forza as much as I do. Ride safe!
This makes me want one, you confirmed it more than any other video. 😎😎😎
@Jordens Cadet - Thanks Jordens, you won't regret owning a Honda Forza! Thanks for watching and for the comment!👍
thanks for the video, i have the same forza and appreciate your videos on it!
Dan J - glad you like it, thanks for the comment!
Nice video bro 💪
@Str8Mac - No pro bro! 🤟
Hi handsome. What a fun video to watch and recommend to family friends and loved one. At the 1:35 ,you made us laugh. More please.
@G O - haha, glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
That's near me! Very cool man! Looking at buying a scooter at some point. It would be nice to take trips too and from G.H.
There are some great scenic rides up and down the lake. The one going north up through Duck lake is really nice. This is probably a good time to pick up a scooter, although it might be a chilly ride. Never stopped me, all I need is dry and sun and I will be out there. I also picked up some handle bar muffs to fight the cold in the winter. Love it!
Thanks for the video. I have watched a few of yours and they are well produced. I was interested in this because I ride a Helix and it runs out of go between 65 and 70. I would like a little margin if I need to run some freeway. This looks like it would do it.
@taebert - Yes the Forza can run comfortably at 75-80, unless you are going uphill at about a 15-20 degree incline. I max out at about 55-60 in that case. Riding two up also slows things down a bit.
Hello everyone I have home in ohio and Phuket Thailand. In Thailand all we drive are scooters. I have honda PCX150 for my wife and Forza 300 for myself which we use on long trips. Being so popular here we do a lot with them. The best modification is to put a high performance centrifugal clutch in. Very inexpensive (here) and will give you 25%,more power and top speed. I got 100mph alone and 85 with wife as passenger.
Thanks for the comment! Please do share which clutch you recommend, I’m looking to make a video about the clutch and rollers. Not sure if you need new rollers with the centrifugal clutch? I also have a Forza in Thailand, we made a trip on it (2-up) from Taphan Hin to Chiang Mai and back. Here’s the video on my other channel: czcams.com/video/Qc_7jjYFiss/video.html
Please share the clutch info with us,so we can do the mod here in the USA too
@@ronin99999 - I found this one, I might give it a try: scooterpartsco.com/honda-honda-forza-300-c-100_3515/malossi-delta-clutch-and-bell-for-honda-forza-300?zenid=337f2bf38490a6b82a1effe8e4822912
@CujoThailand Cujo66 I am in Thailand and also would like to know what aftermarket CVT parts you used with such good performance improvements, drop us a link...
Just got a mint conditioner 2014 honda Forza. Only 760 miles at purchase. Already in a week tacked on 100 happy miles. Love the bike. Can you recommend how often I should change oil, break fluid, water in radiator?, air filter? Am I missing anything? Could you do a video on the maintenance process of the Forza? Really love the vids. You are the king of your castle!
@Jim p - Thanks for watching and for the questions. And some answers from the Honda Forza service manual:
- Oil filter and oil - first change at 600 miles (1,000km), then at 8,000 miles (12,800km) and every 8,000 miles -OR- every 12 months, whichever occurs first.
- Brake Fluid change - Inspect every 4,000 miles (6,400km) and replace every 8,000 miles (12,800km) -OR- every 2 years, whichever occurs first.
- Cooling system (radiator) - Inspect every 8,000 miles (12,800km). No comment about replacing. My recommendation would be to change every 4-5 years, sooner (say 3 years) if you live in a hot climate.
- Air filter (called belt case air cleaner) - change every 4,000 miles (6,400km).
And yes, there are many more items on the maintenance schedule list. I posted a photo of the page in my Community tab on my channel and also put a link into the Description so you can see the full schedule. I think it's great idea to make a video of reviewing all of the maintenance items on the Forza and then link to a separate detailed video for a specific item (I already have a few, but more are definitely needed). Thanks for the idea! Cheers.
I had one for about a month in Thailand, and one thing I noticed is that it starts getting unstable once you go past 100 km/h. After 120 km/h, it starts getting scary...
Interesting, I didn't have the same experience in Thailand. I have one in Thailand at my wife's parents home. We have taken long trips to Chiang Mai for example, and drove between 100-120km/hr fairly often, up and down through the mountains. The roads can be uneven in stretches, I assume because of the heat, but I never associated the movement to the Forza.
Great video thanks. Ive been considering this bike. I'm also 6'2+. How is the seating position on it? That huge knot in the seat makes me think that its uncomfortable because you can't shift your butt rearwards in case you want to adjust your position. Also, how far are the handle bars above your knees? Do you feel like you can hit your knees if you turn the handle bars too much? Lastly, do you find you have enough space to move your feet round or is it limited space for your feet?
I'm trying to compare this to my Kymco People GTI 300 which is a direct competitor to the Forza. My Kymco is very very spacious and definitely built for taller riders like ourselves.
@Optimus Prime - Thanks for your comment and for watching. The seating position is not too bad, and that knot in the middle is not too bad, for me at least. It’s actually quite nice to have when riding 2-up. But if solo I can see where it might be nuisance. I have no issue with my knees hitting the handlebars during normal riding. If I’m taking a sharp turn you do need to open up your legs to get the knee out of the way. Normally this is done at low speeds so not an issue for me. I do also feel like there is plenty of space to shift your feet forward and backward. Going forward you will have to also go up, but I like that feel because it lets me stretch my hamstring. I never rode the Kymco so not able to comment on how it compares. I love my Forzas, the one here in the States and the one in Thailand. Ride safe!!
@@zooskifilms From your response I think I'll have to pass on the 1st gen Forza then. If you were closer to my location, northeast, I'd let you review my kymco people 300 for YT. It's a very rare bike. Its also the most powerful, largest flat floor scooter (299cc, so a true 300cc unlike the Forza or even the 2022 Xmax which is 292cc, and others), made a decade ago with no rival since. I want to replace for a newer scooter but nothing else compares to it in terms of spaciousness for long legged people and power. Easily a 80mph+ bike.
@@optimusprime6436 - Sure, understood. Not that familiar with Kymco People, definitely will check them out. The newer Forza's are a newer design but I never drove one so not sure how it compares to ther one I have. Anyway, happy hunting for the new scooter!
Im a 110kg and i've had 80mph, I had a crf250l and I'm amazed at how that extra 36cc makes so much differance. must be the aerodynamics lol
I also added a taller windshield, not sure if that helps or hurts my top speed. I could argue both sides. Cheers!
I’m in Muskegon, bought one today!!!
@muskegonboi - Hey, congrats on your Forza, you won't be disappointed! By the way I love riding through that winding Shoreline Dr road by the water in Muskegon. Hope to see you on the road. Enjoy and ride safe!
88mph ! As doc Brown said in back to the future!
@iainoconnor7061 - Haha, someone else made a similar reference to Back to the Future but I didn’t quite get it until reading g your comment. I forgot that it was also 88mph! Lots of movie buffs here!
Nice review I wanna buy this 2020 model.
@Roopesh .Udupa - I highly recommend it. Hope you buy it soon, and remember to ride safe!
A question is how many miles have your final drive belt covered? How many miles have your bobweight rollers covered?
As the miles accumulate the belt narrows as it wears, worn belts lower the gearing and affect performance.
@Cyclist - My Forza only has about 8,000 miles, probably had 5,000 miles when I made this video. I plan on looking at the belt and rollers this summer. I'll make a video on my findings. Cheers!
Does this scooter have an aftermarket exhaust fitted? If so, did you adjust the fuelling because if not, you could be running a touch lean.
I’d be interested to know
Best regards
Scooty Man - yes, it has a Devil Evolution exhaust on it. I did not adjust the fueling, so it's possible it might be running lean. Interesting that you can hear that from the exhaust! I will have to look into this.
zooskifilms a good place to start would be the Yuminashi direst sales website. It is quite possible that your ecu will ‘learn’ and adapt your fuelling if there is enough capacity with the existing injector. If not, have a scroll around the site and you will find recommended fuel flow for different size engines etc. If you cannot find, send me a pm and I’ll send you the info.
I have been playing with a Vision 110 and larger throttle bodies. Same thing applies. More air in means you need more fuel in too. I installed a larger injector also and reset the ECU and the throttle position sensor and jobs a good’n. It’s not perfect yet but it has more torque up hills.
Maybe you should reset your ECU and ride for 30+ miles till the ECU learns the fuelling it needs again. Might give you different results.
Just a thought and hope that helps
Scotty Man - thanks for the tips and info! I’m going to check it out and report back. I’m curious how one ultimately knows when everything is optimal? Is it by throttle feel or sound or do you need a dyno? Thanks again!
zooskifilms you can buy an air/fuel ratio gauge but note: there are two types. Narrowband and wide band. Narrow band is the type mostly used on scooters and will give an indication of where you’re fuelling is at however, it will show a constant fluctuation between rich and lean. That’s because your engine ecu is constantly adjusting the fuelling to keep things optimal. I use an analogue type one whilst I am tuning and checking as a rough guide simply to ensure I’m. It running too rich or lean. I don’t think a narrowband gauge is that accurate like a wide band. Some if not most Narrowband gauges will work by picking up a voltage signal between 0-1volt from the zirconium O2 sensor your scooter may well be fitted with. It is also possible to get an idea without a gauge mind by monitoring engine behaviour. Hope that helps
zooskifilms just as an extra comment on this subject, I remember years ago in the Suzuki VanVan forum, there were reports from people with aftermarket exhausts (I think it was a devil too) that had carbon problems due to the wrong fuel mixture. If I remember rightly it was something to do with the change of exhaust causing running and fuelling problems. You might want to have a search on the subject but I have to say your scooter appears to run very well.
Not bad at all for a sub300cc motor 👍
@Mootpoint Jones - Yes, she’s a keeper!
Nice I'm your exact same size helps thanks
@joel stopper - Great to hear, thanks for watching and for commenting!
Just bought a 2016 Forza 300, I love it. Its that a exhaust on it? If so, info please I need it !
@Richard Wilson - Congrats on your new acquisition! I love mine as well, both the one in Thailand and US. I did install an after-market exhaust on the Forza in the US, here is the link to the video and there are some details on the Devil exhaust in the description. But I did carry it over from Thailand. czcams.com/video/NoVqteqTE4E/video.html
Most interesting. Can you whisper to me how many THB it cost there (the 300) I've spent some years over there and can speak Thai. Well .. almost.. :-) Merv Australia Khop Khun Krap.
@marv fear - Sawasdee-krap! Back in 2016 it went for 125,000 Baht. Here in the US I paid $5,500. Cheaper in Thailand, assuming because it’s manufactured there.
What windscreen are u using for ur forza, mine is so Loud!! Are u using a go pro wind protection for ur camera or mic?
@Jason Tomica - did you ever settle this? I tried my GoPro on another bike without a windscreen and its was doing the same thing. Once it reaches a certain speed, the wind noise over powers.
Get a small windscreen extension I've got one and it is just enough the sent the wind over your head instead of in to your helmet and much cheaper Than a new screen!. Works a treat as I had the same issue of excessive noise .
@@Dwainpipe21 Yes thank you I already got 1 about 2 months ago it's fantastic off Amazon For $30 it's an extension that goes above my long windshield
@@Dwainpipe21 You still get some crosswind noise but that's on any motorcycle or scooter
Hey I’ve been driving this for awhile and for long trips it has really bad crosswinds how do I deal with that
@@JtacLIVE-vq6pu - I'm afraid all you can do is slow down and lean into it the best you can. The Forza isn't that heavy compared to motorcycles, you can feel it in those cross winds. Be safe!
I wonder if those are stock weights.... heavier usually gets you more top end but less acceleration. I can cruise at 65 to 70 with stock exhaust. 65mph up inclines. I see your MPG at 63. I get about 55 at best but again I live in a hilly area. I found top speed and hilly/ mountainous areas can whack your mileage. I think your exhaust is allowing more free flow and getting those exhaust gasses out faster. allows for the more top end. cool vid
@Viscus Dribble - Thanks for watching and the comment. That MPG number on the display is a little low, it's closer to 70 MPG from my periodic manual tally. I would suspect it going down if riding on hilly terrain. A happy trade-off for a more scenic ride. By the way, I sold that exhaust to a CZcamsr and put on the OEM exhaust. My ears were ringing too much. Cheers!
Hi, how does it feel at 70mph? Is it stressed, does it feel/sound like it's working too hard?
Feels comfortable to me, revs are high so I wouldn’t sit there for hours on end. If it didn’t have a tach I wouldn’t hesitate riding it that fast for long periods because it doesn’t feel stressed at all.
@@zooskifilms Thanks, sounds good.
It's a Honda engine, as long as your oil is good you should be fine doing 75mph
@@zooskifilms The high rpm isn't a problem the engine will have been designed to run at very high rpm for hours at a time with no issues the only issue people have is in their head .
@@Dwainpipe21 - Thanks for the comment. I've heard similar comments from others. I guess my thinking is old school. I was never actually able to get it passed 9000 rpm's anyway, just short of the redline. Might be some limiter on the fuel. Thanks again!
I was 220 lbs but I lost weight now down to 175 and my Forza is so fast off the line it’s crazy
Yeah, I could afford to lose a few pounds myself! Have you tested for top speed?
Lately I’ve struggled to get to 85. I bought it used at 2400 miles and I have almost 15000 miles. She’s not as fast these days. Any tweaking tips? I mainly just change oil, tires and brakes
You can upgrade to a high performance centrifugal clutch. Some are designed for faster starts and others are designed for a faster top speed. I hope to make a video on the different options this year.
Get 1 gram lighter of dr pulley sliders. The slightly lighter weight increases acceleration. The slider design adds top speed.
Also get the 24x18 sliding weights instead of the 23x18. I plan on trying the 13g 24x18 sliding weights for fun. Will be getting the 33g for my long trips.
When you said, "88 miles per hour!" I was like, this man fitna time travel to 2050! 😂😂
If I hit 90 mph, we would have seen that portal start opening up!
curious to see how this scoot handles steep uphill rides
@ROTL - Yea that would be a good test. I’ve taken it up moderately steep uphill roads and you can feel the power loss. I’m sure the max speed would be impacted, not sure to what extent.
Thank god you didn’t generate 1.21 gigawatts. No telling where you’d end up.
@brianbrowning9124 - Haha, yeah, I didn't realize I was going "Back to the Future" speeds!
88 mph! And room in the top box for a flux capacitor!
@wesley cardinal - At least one, cheers!
Hi my forza does 125kph all stock did u modify something?
@engpabraap - only the exhaust, put a Devil Evolution can on it.
My forza 250cc 2015 top speed is 140km per hour
I get only 76kg, and i never try the max speed of 130km/h+
110km/h is the maximum limit speed in Hong Kong highways (mostly 70km/h)
alienck1 - yes, I had to find a long stretch of expressway to test out the maximum speed. Most streets in the city are about 50km/h. Other roads have maximum 100km/hr. The expressway is the best place to test top speed here. But have to be careful of state police!
i have tried 125 on my smax in hk haha
Good video with a good style review, IS this bike all stock? I have a Helix, a morphous and a burgman 400, I love doing these speed tests, but Honestly how accurate is your speedo? Id like to see this test with a GPS as most scooter are 10% generous, I would really be shocked if your speedo was spot on, they rarely if ever are
@thedaydreamer7972 - Hey, great comment and point. I may just have to do another test using a GPS. My other motorcycle speedo is about 2mph faster than what the GPS shows. But yes, everything is stock now, at the time of the this video I had an after-market exhaust (Devil brand). But it was too loud and eventually put back the factory exhaust. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Honda red zones are true red zones you can cruise at any speed outside of the red zone
@David I Colburn - Thanks for the comment! I wondered about that, seems Honda engines are indestructible as long as you maintain them. One thing I find now is that when I spend lots of time at high speed I'll get a coolant drip around the water pump when I park the bike. I come back after some time and see a few drops on the ground. I had a similar issue when I first purchased the bike, the dealer repaired it but now after 5 years seeing this again. Will have to investigate and make a video on the issue. Cheers!
Im debating between this and a Honda Elite 250. Power to weight on the Elite is slightly better, but idk how thatd actually account for acceleration. The Forza has 20k+ miles and the Elite has 8k. If im honest, the shimming valves thing kinda stresses me out
I hear ya. The valve shimming will have to happen on any combustible engine. I’m curious when I’ll have to actually change a shim out. The Elite 250 seems to be an older model. For me personally I would take the newer model.
@@mopedmessiah - gotcha! I might order the 7.48mm diameter shims and check them on my caliper. A 0.03mm difference might be within the tolerance of my caliper!
@CrankWithCG - sorry I accidentally deleted one of your comments with my fat thumbs. I whole heartedly agree about the locking nut type rockers. I assume that’s what you were referrring to when you said rotating rockers. My old R100/7 has them and adjusting is a breeze.
@@zooskifilms youre good. And yeah, ive had Gy6s, a vino 125, zuma 125, they all have the locking nut type. I know dirtbikes have shims, but i didn't think the Forza did. It may be a bit quicker than the Elite, and it really reminds me of my old Helix. Thats mainly why i like em so much
@CrankWithCG - good to know! I assumed all newer models of bikes use shims. I like the Forza on long trips. I took the one we have in Thailand on a 7 hour trip up to Chiang Mai. Video On my other channel Mark Chomiczewski. We were two up and it ate up the miles beautifully. I guess it depends on what you want to do with it, if just for local riding then perhaps the Elite is a better choice.
Nice video I recently had an xmax 300 an sold it an bought the new 125cc Zuma which is nice for the town an really good on gas. I been looking to buy a forza cause they not too expensive just wondering if is comfortable for 2 people thanks in advance
@Tony Fernandez - Yeah, the Forza is quite comfortable with two people, in my opinion. My wife and I took it on a 7 hour ride (one way) from central Thailand to Chiang Mai in the north of Thailand. I am 6 feet 2 inches at about 220 lbs and my wife is 5 feet 8 inches and about 115 lbs. The Forza handled famously. The Forza we have in Thailand has the Givi luggage case which also acts as a backrest, which makes it even more comfortable for the person sitting in the back. Hope this helps!
Thanks man for the info 🤙🏼
@@305tonymia - You bet, any time! Ride safe!
What’s going on man I forgot to ask I’m around 5’9 feet would I reach down to the floor comfortable I remember when I had the xmax was kinda high for me but I see the forza looks lower. Again thanks in advance
@@305tonymia - Hey yeah, you should be fine. My wife is 5’6” and she flat foots it. You can see her on the Forza here: czcams.com/video/NxrbYUTqiXM/video.html
Hi, My speedometer lies at 10km/h, unlike the gps navigator. With a navigator over 130km/ h, it never accelerates. Forza 2014.
@sugdian - Yeah, I've heard various numbers off the GPS compared to the speedo, all below the speedo. Looks like a future video! Cheers!
اللهم صل وسلم وبارك على سيدنا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم تسليما كثيرا
وسلم!
90? Impressive. I just picked up a cherry 2016. Smooth bike looking forward to putting some miles on her. czcams.com/video/Drav0rxNaiI/video.html What exhaust? Did it help any?
@Brian Richard - Almost 90! I'm looking to replace the clutch with a performance version to get a higher top end. A future video. I absolutely love my Forza. I have a 2014 Forza in Thailand and took it on a long trip without issue (2-up) - czcams.com/video/Qc_7jjYFiss/video.html . I bought the Devil exhaust in Thailand but have seen since sold it and put the OEM exhaust back on. Too loud for my aging ears! Enjoy the Forza!
Is that Knoxville TN??
@Bikemancody - This is near Grand Rapids, MI. Just west of the city.
@@zooskifilms I just bought a 15 Forza 300 today. Excited to add it to my scooter collection. Along with my Tenere 700 and PCX150.
@Bikemancody - Congrats on your new acquisition! Sounds like you’re building up a nice collection there. I love my Forza. And that PCX 150 sounds tempting too. Tell me, how/when do you decide to ride the Forza vs the PCX?
Looks like you hit just the right speed to travel back to 1955
@The Up North Biker - Haha, yes, I could start feeling the static electricity forming around me and the Forza, had to back it off a little. Cheers!
OMG my Forza goes max 80m/h. I am 80kg. mileage 8900
Haha, find a nice long downhill road!
Same top speed as newer model.... 85mph though the tacho will read 90 the gps says 85 max as the bike is 5 maybe 6 miles out....
Yes, good point. I plan on testing this again on a long down-slope. I'll grab my GPS and compare!
@@zooskifilms I wouldn't bother even recording GPS speeds as all speedometer over read even in cars and trucks etc by a similar amount so all traffic tends to be doing the same speed give or take a couple of mph at any indicted speed .
@@Dwainpipe21 - Would the GPS be more accurate in that case? I always noticed my vehicle speedometer is always lower than the speed signs you find on streets showing your speed.
@@zooskifilms yes it's more accurate but the point I was making was that when discussing top speed everyone starts shouting about GPS speed when in actual fact 80mph on your Forza is ( give or take 2 mph ) the same as 80mph in the 70 year old grandma's station waggon it's all relative everyone is doing a little less than they think they are but 80 in one vehicle is 80 in another.
@@Dwainpipe21 - Got it. Thanks!
Your acceleration doesn't seem so good....for a 2015 you might be ready for new rollers and a Vario check up
Only 4500 miles on this Forza. Perhaps the heavy payload?
La e levantado a 95 mph
¡Acepto tu reto!
Anytime I record on my go pro when I am on my 2015 forza the wind noise is horrible above 25mph!!!
@Jason Tomica - I use a lav mic from Rode, the Lavalier GO, inside my helmet and route the cable through the side to a GOPRO with the MOD case that has a mic input for 3.5mm connector.
@@zooskifilms How much when do you get on your Honda forza with the high windscreen windshield just curious it seems to be common
@@zooskifilms I mean the tall windshield
@Jason Tomica - sorry, I didn’t get your question. How tall is the windshield? Or how much of my helmet sits above the windshield? It doesn’t sit much above it, I’d have to have someone measure it when I’m seated. But I can feel it a little, especially if I straighten out my back to stretch.
@@zooskifilms I meant to say when your writing on the freeway are in normal circumstances how loud does the wind get with that tall windshield that's what I meant to ask and what brand is your windshield thank you
I have pcx 125 it does 70mph yet a machine almost 3x more powerful only does 88mph wtaf 🤦🏻♂️
Don’t underestimate the PCX! And I’m sure the weight over horsepower is higher on the PCX, but I could be wrong. I’ll check it out.
Yes I am wondering the same thing ,
@@garyteague4480 - for the 2015 models, the power to weight ratio is 0.113 for the Forza and 0.0896 for the PCX 125. Not what I was expecting!
@@zooskifilms Remember that twice the power doesn't mean twice as fast it's wind resistance you are fighting which doesn't increase in on a linear scale.
@@Dwainpipe21 - Yes, understood. I think the power to weight ratio just gives a comparison between different models. I plan on testing out another variator to see if I can improve on speed off the line.
that bike sounds horrible!!
C'mon man, it's not that bad!
That's how Forza's sound