Tired Tecumseh Troy-Bilt Tuffy Tiller - No Compression
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2023
- A local subscriber(Paul) dropped off a trailer load of equipment. This Troy-Bilt Tuffy tiller was one of the items. It was given to him from a neighbor who said it probably just needs a new carburetor. Paul purchased a carburetor and then pulled the engine over and found it had no compression. If this 34 year old Tecumseh junk or will it run and till again?
Engine Model: H30-35387Y
Tiller Model: 12060
Carburetor: Tecumseh 640167
Fuel Tank: Tecumseh 35584
Head Gasket: Tecumseh 36437
Oil Seal: Troy-Bilt 9617 (0.750" ID X 1.783" OD)
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And to think I told you the previous owner was sure it was only a carb issue. Fooled ya! Lol. I’m glad I brought it to you rather than trying to dig into it myself. This was way beyond my ability. Great job, Jim. You’re still the best of the best! Hope you find it a good home.
Thanks for donating it. This video was a cavalcade of issues. Very educational.
Thanks again. It made a great video. Well built machine, that had a lot of issues to sort out. Working on another piece of equipment now that you dropped off. Also not an easy fix.
@@jcondon1It was very wise of you to put some anti seize on that shaft. Most other mechanics who are not as thorough as you are, would have skipped that very important step. Keep up the good work James. 😊👍🏿 #stihlpower #stihlisyourdaddy #stihlrunstheyard
And to think people think any of this is somehow complex... If you can't handle this... why are you fucking with small engines?
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My grandfather was born in 1918. Died in 2011. Saw it all. Learned to be frugal. Lived his life saving family & neighbor’s cars and equipment from the scrap yard. He would certainly love & appreciate your work.
Yes Frugal. Where I grew up everyone did their own maintenance on everything, house, car, mowers, tillers etc. I learned from a couple neighbors to be frugal as well. Don't tell Jim, but if we were doing this one, we'd have added oil and simply run the engine up to 1,000 rpm with the help of another engine and a fan belt. Even with no compression within just a few seconds at that speed it would have started on starting fluid unless the coil low tension wires were shorted and there was no spark. That would have been next. Most of the time we'd just tape them up. Then we'd put Gumout brand carb cleaner in some fuel at a ratio, like1 pint gasoline and 4 ounces of cleaner. Restart the engine with starting fluid and possibly sustain it with propane from a hand held torch nozzle and you'd be surprised that it would run and clean up after a couple of times of revving it up and choking hard. Then let the gas sit in the carb and dissolve the gum and debris. We did that so many times. Once the garden was ready for planting, then we'd address the coil wires and valve clearance issues. ben/ michigan
James, that pitted transmission shaft can be renewed with a "speedy sleeve"!
Good job, Jim. When you were going to RTV the gear box plate, I was thinking...just make a gasket. And then...yep, good job! ;-)
And it was a good thing because that plate came right off again to drain the gearbox.
Jim what weight gear oil did you use in the gear box.Another great video.
85w-140
I have one of those. One of the first things I did when new was to grease those axles, then put the wheels back on. They come with quick disconnect pins so you can take them out, push the wheel back, then re-install the pin so it can freewheel and you can roll it around with the engine off. If you forget to put the pins back to drive position and engage the tiller in the ground, hold on! Really god job on that tiller. Troy-bilts are good ones.
I had that exact tiller! My wife's father bought it brand new sometime in the '70's or '80's, and used it a lot. When he died, we inherited it, and I used it several times over the last 23 years or so. Sometime last year (2022), it lost compression, and it was so old and beat up, that I decided not to fix it. I gave it to my gardener. He fixed it (stuck valve) and is still using it to this day. It's got to be 50 years old, and still going strong.
Another fine fix James. I wanted to mention a product in the heavy machinery industry we called them ( Speedy Sleeve ) Any place that sells Chicago Rawhide seals or a place like Motion Industries should carry them. They are a paper thin metal sleeve that fits onto the damaged or worn shaft where the seal would ride. You give them the seal part number you are using ( OEM ) and they will supply you with a speedy sleeve and the shaft seal to mate with that sleeve. An awesome product I have used for over 35 years on 350 to 1000 horse power gear boxes without any failures.
Great advice
I’ve used them many times over the years to seal pitted and rusted shafts
I've been looking for a used tiller for several years now and have been paying a reasonable charge to rent one. My hunt was accelerated when the business I rented from for all those years increased the rate over 100% this year (it's the same machine I've been renting for years). Last week I visited a garage sale and found this model offered for $25. The seller accepted my offer of $20. I did get it to start but only by spraying starting fluid into the carburetor. The starting cord was broken and I was able to use the remaining cord for a few pulls until it broke again. I watched your presentation from cover to cover as I believe that my machine has many, if not all, of the issues. I was delighted to find your presentation and hope to be able to make all of the repairs. You have provided me with a wealth of information on how to get my machine operating. Thank you.
I’ve never had very good luck with Tecumseh engines. Good job!
Your attention to detail always astounds me, you find the small things a lot of us miss, great fix, and great video as always!
The older Troy Bilts were awesome! (Not so much the newer MTD clones...)
My mom had one of the 5 HP Pony models and it did a beautiful job. It's only downfall was it was a little undersized for the area of her gardens, but she was scared the bigger Horse model would have been too hard for her to handle.
Great job getting it back up to operational status and I found the meticulous cleaning of the top end very rewarding :).
We have an old Econo Horse with like a 6 hp tecumseh i beleive, things fairly stout. fixed a leaky tine seal, a non existant gasket for the tine shaft...seal cover? broke a tine... cleaned the carb but. It's an OLD thing. Works hard.
She was right ! the Horse is a back breaker! speaking from experience !!!
Such a great design! I’ve been retired 10 years, limited funds and who knows how much time I have left!!! But I recently bought a well beat Silver fox cart, restored and repaired and reinforced the frame, extended the rear chassis to fit a Duromax 440, improved the brakes, added lights and have a lot of fun with it! You’re never too old!!!! You’re only as old as you let yourself be!! I have a Baja Warrior I have done a lot of mods to also!
Ευχαριστούμε! Τέλεια εργασία!
You can use a spring tightly fitted over a hose to prevent collapse in a tight bend. Also, there are fuel shutoff valves with a 90 to connect at a right angle. Great video with good tips and info.
This😊wasn’t what I expected. Found it very interesting. This guy can do everything. It’s nice he is so skilled.
The worn gearbox input shaft looks like a perfect application for a Speedi-Sleeve.
That was plan B. Was hoping with the thick oil that it would hold as is. So far so good.
I love the way the choke lever allows the careless operator to touch the uninsulated plug ..... I have (not so) fond memories of reaching to shut off the press to close fuel tap on our old Victa mower - the tap was located directly above the spark plug. I came to on my backside 10 feet behind the mower which was still idling away...... That was 60 years ago, never forgotten 😂
I swear, I've been watching you too long. I ordered a roll of gasket material yesterday for those "Just in case" moments, and here you are using it today!
By no means am I close to hanging with the big boys like yourself, but you and a few others have inspired me and not to mention taught me so much and for that I am grateful, so thank you!
Yup... Valve adjustments on those old T's where grind, check & grind.
you live dangerously James, I would of tied the knot before cutting the pull cord. thank you for the video!
My father bought a Troy-Bilt tiller in 1969. Back then they were made with cast iron and the tines rotated opposite of the direction of travel. He had a large garden and tilled it every week from April to November. Every winter he would replace the front shaft seal and the seals on the tine shafts. Dirt just tore them up. His has a lever for several speeds forward and reverse and I think the wheels can drive without the tines rotating. It has been sitting in my storage building since about 2004.
You sure it rotated the opposite way? The tines have way more traction than the drive wheels- it would at best dig itself a hole but more likely push you in reverse which is a great way to chop up the operator when he trips. Seen and operated many rotary hoes of various walk behind sizes and never seen one that runs in reverse that doesn't actually have a reverse gear (meant for untangling only).
It always amazes me how much you know about these engines. Great video as always.
It's always a pleasure to watch your videos, James. Another great machine saved and revived 👏
This was great to watch. Thanks, made my afternoon. Patience and attention to detail wins every time.
Another day of learning for me - Thanks Jim.
This was another great video, with fantastic editing. The time and attention you put into these projects is really paying off. Thank you for sharing!
You're an awesome excellent small engine mechanic and possibly a large engine mechanic too! Thanks so much for sharing I really enjoyed watching and learned while watching!😊
James ,, I've been watching you foy quite sometime now. i am 75 years old now and I've had learned a lot from your cha
Wow, that machine was totally beat up and not cared for. You brought it back to life!
Impressive knowledge, skill and patience
I was so glad that James repaired the ignition wire instead of ordering an oem one, but my happiness was short-lived when an oem gas tank was ordered instead of trying to fix a minor crack.
You might want to re-watch. That tank was junk. Not just one minor crack.
I want to say thank you ! Great video, well illustrated and explained.
Another excellent video. I love the attention to specs. Doing it right the first time. Thanks.
I wish it was always like this wonderful service in my country. Great video!
Looks like Mickey and Minnie had that Kill wire insulation for lunch! Love them Tecumsehs!
Amazing. You are an expert in so many things and I’ve learned a ton from watching over 20 of your videos. Thanks for what you do!
Absolutely brilliant Mr Condon
GOOD fix! I got a horse model with a blown Tecumseh and put a Wisconsin Robin on it and swapped it for 2 Gravelys which made one good one. My dad got a horse YEARS ago with a 7 horse Kohler that is still going. I stored it but he needed it and still uses it. They're tough and will jump like a deer if you hit a hard place or a rock just right. And the loss of oil is as we both know that who was running it didn't check it. Good deal and God Bless
Gravely dog eater!
I recently swapped the engine on my family's lawn mower, thinking it was beyond repair of any kind. It had no compressjon like this one. I ended up tsking the engine to my workshop, tore it apart, lapped the valve's and adjusted rhem by grinding them (flathead engine), and I once again had compression. Its not as good as it should be, so im sure its down on power still. But i got it running, and i ended up doing something fun with it instead of using it on a lawnmower. I tore it completely to bits again, and installed a oil splasher and did some other minor modifications to the oiling system. Then i changed the orientation of rhe carburetor, built my own governor linkage to convert the governor into horizontal mode using parts from a old radio and some nylon string. I made a horizontal engine out of a vertical engine. And ive put about an hour of runtime on it so far without any issues whatsoever, and im now in the process of building a small generator with it :) nothinf crazy powerful, just something that can output about 1000 watts or so, using a induction motor wirh capacitor excitation as alternator, works great. The engine will never have as much power as it should, but in my application, it'll work more than well enough! And if it fails, i can easily swap it with any off the shelf engine. My frame is entirely home built and easy to modify.
Love your videos James, you're a huge inspiration for me!
I loved this video James. It had a bit of everything. Great job. Cheers mate.
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for filming the trip.
My Dad bought one of these in the early 1980s with a cast iron sleeve Koehler engine, made in America. Ran like a tank, started first pull
One of the tools in my gasket making arsenal is a compass for drawing larger holes. I would also change the tiller shaft seals, I can't believe they aren't leaking with all that landscape fabric wrapped around them where the seals are.
Thank you again my friend for your time and knowledge one more master class
James, what I'm about to say I mean in the most respectful way... You should change the name of this channel to "Mr. Condon's Neighborhood"! You are with out a doubt the "Fred Rogers" of small engine repair. You are so patient, so thorough, and that soothing and calm voice... at 60 years old I feel like a kid again with every episode; I learn something new about small engine repairs but I also learn how to be a calmer and better neighbor! :) Thank you, Sir!
Thanks kid for your time
Thanks James, another life saved😊
I'm in the process of restoring an old Stiga tiller with a B&S engine, picked up quite some tips here - Thanks! A pleasure watching you work, as always.
Thanks for the Great Video James always learning something new!! 👍👍
Hi, James. I enjyed this video. The repair work is fine and your thought process is great. Enjoy your new tiller! Thanks for sharing!
That was so cool! I started watching and didn't even realized an hour and a half had gone by! Thanks :)
you have to watch those Tecumseh gas caps. the vents swell up and plug causing fuel issues.
I have just completed the same task, on the B&S side valve motor. No compression; exhaust valve not sealing.
I made me feel good, that l had done it right, when l watched this.
This is one of my most favoured channels; thank you !
The Tecumseh engines seem to go for ever especially if the oil is checked regularly.
I have a 20yr old Ariens 1128 snowblower with a Tecumseh
11hp, it has no trouble moving snow.
I gave the blower a bit of TLC last year and rebuilt the drive, this year I will rebuild the auger section.
The blower is built far better than todays machines.
Thankyou for your quite detailed and informative CZcams videos, I enjoy watching someone else work on equipment having retired out of industrial engineering after 50yrs of challenge lol.
I have come to the conclusion most equipment built years ago is better than today's machines! I have a Honda front tine roto-tiller that is now almost 50 years old and aside from replacing the tines a couple of times, it still starts first pull even in the cold and happily trundles along my very rocky soil!
Thank you for your videos it has always gave me ideas on how to keep my generator running right thank you
Jim, with regards to that pully, you are one lucky puppy. :)
He just used the right angle of attack is all. Some pneumatic percussive maintenance was in order.
James.
This was another one of those shaggy dog repair / restoration jobs. Kudos. It takes a lot of patience to keep after it. Good catch seeing the milky transmission oil. And so as not to disappoint when draining the oil a second time you found the gas tank leaks. Gremlins are like that.
I am presently restoring a 1976 Horse. The manual for that machine goes into great detail on how to shim all the bearings to the correct clearance.
There is a source for a PDF shop manual for the horse on line. It is quite clear that the driveshaft must be shimmed to eliminate almost all front to back play. You may want to check to see if that gasket you made is the correct thickness to get the right bearing clearance. According to the manual after final assembly there should only a "trace" of end play in the shaft.
Since every video you do I learn something new I thought I'd try to reciprocate and throw in a crumb of helpful info. They always work better if they're clean!
Keep the great videos coming.
great vid. Excellent work James!
That old worn out Tecumseh runs pretty good and still gets the job done, nice work repairing this tiller James!
exemplary work! thanks for the show.
I enjoy watching I have a little farm always working on something you give a lot of tips keep up the good work
Very interesting! I had no idea that an engine could run that long with only the fuel in the bowl! Thanks for a great video.
Very good video. I have been working on a Troybilt Bronco tiller I bought. I learned a lot from this video.
Thanks
A long one for sure but surprises around every corner. Great job
May the 4 th be with you
Judging from the wear on the tines and the fact that they look like the original ones, that tiller seen very little use to he in the condition its in. That is what letting things sit outside will do for you.
Awesome save James!!
Now it’s time for me to do a check up on my own killer loved the video it was great information thank you and have a blessed day
i could watch your videos all day lomg your knowledge is simply amazing just amazing keep them coming
Great video Jam I enjoyed it.
Even though I will never have a tiller like that I enjoyed watching how you go about finding out what needs fixed ans showing how to do it. Keep up the great work.
Me too👍👍👍
Good fix. Runs great. Those are good machines.
Excellent video and narration.
Getting that pulley off with an air hammer was impressive, and no heat necessary! I have a feeling that engine oil was factory, and never changed or even checked😐😑
That oil looked like it was never even refined. Straight from the well to the crankcase.
40% of gas engine lawn mower owners, NEVER change the oil according to Consumer Reports. 😢
@@foxlake6750 I'd think the percentage would be higher than that. Some are lying.
Thats why B&S new engines don’t require oil changes. The original is probably a synthetic.
Good work as always
Looks like a fine job . Working very well it appers
Thank you for bringing us Great Instructional video's... the Air Impact hammer (Muffler removal tool) with a punch to remove the pulley was a new one for me... thanks
Im more than looking forward to what else this guy brought for you to work on
Me to 😊
Great job James. Always a professional job. I watched almost all your Toro videos. I have 3. 2 of the same kind with electric start. I tried to clean the carb but didn’t help the issue. I ended up buying 2 cards off of Amazon. Working great so far. Thanks for all the tips.
Great video, its a great project that all worked out well
I love those small Tecumseh engines - so simple to diagnose and repair and they last forever if you treat them like you do James. Hope you move this machine on to an owner who appreciates a quality machine.
Always informative ! --- Best on YT !
Thanks
I always heat the knot when done as well to insure it doesn't come untied at a later date. Awesome videos!
Thanks James.
Wow James, what a fantastic video. Well done. Kind regards. Paul.
What a beauty they were and this one still is. That's a Cadillac in tilling world.
Your brilliant James.
James you do some awesome videos ….thanks for what you do man … very very informative my brother !!!
I think the ball-peen hammer method would have worked best for cutting that custom gasket. Much faster and just as effective.
Place the gasket material on the sealing surface. Lightly peen one bolt hole, remove the cut gasket material, and place the bolt in. Then hold the gasket material in place and lightly peen around the rest of the features. It cuts out an exact copy quick and easy. For larger gaskets it's helpful to hold the gasket material in place with two opposing bolts, so it doesn't move while you are cutting the pattern.
I bet half of the gaskets on US Army equipment are made of manilla folder and high-temp RTV.
Fantastic video thanks akot
This seems to be a very good quality piece of equipment built to last. Certainly no Tecumseh junk. I always love seeing one of those engines coming back into service, ma favourite brand. Thank you, James, an excellent episode!
On the "Horse" model Troy-Builts, in operation, and with the rear tines adjusted to go deep, the engine would be tilting almost diagonally. This may have caused a bit of a lubrication issue whilst the engine was running, which did not help with the longevity of the engine.
Nice job Jim! As much as I love generators, the change of pace was nice!
Watching you make the gasket reminded me of my dad making one using a ballpean hammer to mark the edges of the gasket and bolt holes. Your way worked too! 😊
Good work very thorough.
Central California watching
I had a Troy-Bilt tiller built by Garden Way, that sucker was heavy and tough! It was more like an car transmission with wheels on it. The Troy-Bilt they make nowadays is nothing like what I had. Love your videos 😁👍
A few years ago I had one just like this one and it worked great. If you dig in hard sod they can run away from you so be careful. Mine quit when a hurricane/tornado dropped a huge pine tree on my shed. They will squash. Thanks for the video.
You and your counterpart on another channel have taught this old dog so much. The way you follow a very direct testing path to get to the heart of each issue is just amazing. I watch every video no matter what the machine is. Thanks for every one you make!
Thanks James. Got a old millwright tip for you. When punching holes in gasket paper, Put a small block of wood in a vice, cut edge up and use it for a backstop for punching holes. Saves the edges of your punch and leaves nice clean holes in your gasket paper
@@philliphall5198 Wish I had some up here where I live only oak wood is furniture or kitchen cabinets.
James, your efforts as always exceed expectations and results are outstanding.
Keep posting on the different repairs and equipment.
Tks Michael.
As always very nice job
Looking at the state of the cylinder and the pile of carbon on the piston, I was sure that we would lose sight of the engine in the smoke... but it's surprising how well it runs. Good work.
really enjoyed that video. Thanks for video.