Honda Accord Ignition Misfire - Diagnosis & Repair
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
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I owned this car with the same engine 3.5L V6 except mine was a 2008. I owned it since it was new from the dealer. I kept taking it back for this misfire issue and they kept telling me I was crazy. Come to find out, the VCM feature (variable cylinder management) shuts off the rear bank of Cylinders in 3 cyl or 4 cyl mode. If you check all 3 rear cylinders all the spark plugs will be fouled but the front is clean. This fouling problem happens on highway driving or coasting when cylinders are deactivated to save fuel. However the intake valves still open, thus EGR pumps soot and oil into the rear bank fouling the plugs but never burning the recirculating exhaust gases. So my solution was a cheaper 2 year spark plug change and I never had a misfire for the life of ownership.
As soon as I saw this video I knew what it was because I owned this car for so long before selling it. It's not a horrible issue if you just keep up maintenence on the spark plugs. The engine never burned any oil, it was simply a problem with the VCM feature from Honda. Honda even provided a software update to help the issue. I never tried it. I'm not a mechanic so I didn't bother with it.
can also be oil fouled caused by bad oil control rings
You got it. Also, echo comes on when it comes up to temp. A mode to trick the temp reading by reading the hose temp instead so echo never comes on. 5 degree temp change read will do it.
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Just prayed for your wife my friend. Mom is doing good! Thanks for asking. May the peace of God that surpasses all understanding be with you in this situation.
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RPM drop test is one of the most useful tests in my "toolbox"
Hey, enjoyed the video. That Honda needs a VCM muzzler and of course a set of plugs. It has cylinder deactivation on cyls 1,2,3, it seems that it creates a vacuum in those cylinders pulling more oil in and oil fouling the plugs... keep up the great work Paul and Caleb, I guess Danner deserves some praise as well.
The VCM on my 2008 Odyssey was a contributing factor that messed up my motor. Once I slap the reman motor in it I am going to purchase that VCM deactivation jumper harness.
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Very common on all the honda v6s with VCM. It will continue to foul plugs on that cylinder. There was a settlement, extended warranty coverage, etc. around this issue. Great video, as always!
That car is out of even the extended warranty. Needs the VCM disabled. $129 for the VCMTuner, new plugs and it's good to go.
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It's not just Honda. I've run into the issue with many manufacturers that have cylinder deactivation. I think it is not only the added vacuum but also low tension rings you see going in most engine's in an effort to reduce drag. All in the name of fuel economy.
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For RC test on Honda quickly, use the All Injectors Off function. Then to return to normal select the Ecm/Pcm reset
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Literally the exact same thing happened to my accord. Cylinder #2 plug went bad. I followed this step by step and it worked perfectly. Great job explaining the process!
Nice easy one for once. Good old swaptronics work great. Just get two spark plugs and replace number 2 and put the other in the glove box with a cheap spark plug tool for the customer. Merry Christmas to all the Danners.
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I put a VCM Muzzler on my 2006 Odyssey and I love it. Installed at 163k. The issue I had was it felt like a trans mis-shift that occurred every time you came up to speed. In fact I hated to see the green econo light come on. Right after installing the Muzzler I did an oil change and discovered shiny metal in the oil. Tore the engine down and discovered front camshaft lobes were worn (163k) and 2 rod halves and 1 main half bearings were showing wear. Rear cam looked like new so did not change. Changed the cam ($300) and the bearings. Trying to figure out size/color of the bearings was a real hassle. Dealer totally worthless. So far so good. The engine always ran quiet so no change still runs great. Have not pulled plugs. Just got the Odyssey at 161k and it does not appear to use oil. So do not know history before I got it. I think the previous owner sold it because every warning light was one when I first started it. All easy fixes. TPMS/Traction was low tire pressure (nail in tire) and the check engine light was caused by a clogged screen on the VVT soldenoid. I bet the owner was not savvy and the $700 Toyota wanted for the new valve did him in. I fixed the screen for $10.
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I agree with you Paul; you can change a lot plugs for the price of a rebuild! Great video and info as always! Thanks.
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Hi Paul and Caleb,
Thank you again for this great video!! In my opinion it is always a good first step to swap the coil and plug to an more exessable location. Not only for easier acces but also to eliminate an failing fuel injector or enginefailure for that cilinder. For me an small step in between.
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A quick way to do a cranking compression test on Honda vehicles would be to select “Injectors - all” under the “Functional Tests” menu. You then have to perform a “ECM/PCM Reset” after you’re done to re enable injectors.
Sometimes the Old School way is still the good way. You made me nervous grabbing the ignition wires/coils with the engine running. Electricity constantly searches for a path to ground and a willing conductor like the human body. Stay safe amigo
Old school perfection, nice job Paul……
My customer has a 2012 Honda Odyssey had this exact problem a few years ago Honda did the rings and plugs for free under the recall. While they were doing the recall we inquired about the Timing Belt and they did the Timing Belt for half the price. Vehicle now has 265,000 miles on it no misfires about to do the Timing Belt again.
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100% Bad oil control rings caused by the garbage VCM system. I’ve rebuilt dozens of these motors for this issue, great vid love your channel 👍🏽
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Great video guys as always and i agree new plug drive it.Be safe everyone and Merry Christmas and praying a better New Year.
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In a pinch, I've found that carburetor cleaner spray works great for cleaning spark plugs.
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Good ol piston ring bulletin extension.
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I’ve seen the flashing cel as a knock event and a catastrophic failure but I’m lucky I haven’t had it on my car. A friend of ours had it on her Hyundai and the dealer replaced her motor under warranty. I’m glad you made this video as this accord has a J series engine and I have 2008 Acura tl type s it has the 3.5 but similar so if I ever have this issue I can reference this video.
Nice case study I would swap coils and plugs
I was a gm tech for along time I did pistons almost daily for issues like this.
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great conclusion, i hope the customer not pissed to find out it was a plug. And get bent out of shape, for your charge for the diagnosis. My advice to him it better have 6 extra new plugs on hand, or the owner can get those non foulers/maybe hotter plugs too. I used the non foulers on a 80 POS malibu i had with a 229 V6 it had they do work!! Same thing that engine would blow through oil like crazy.
This car simply needs VCM (ECO) disabled with a VCMTunerII. It's $129 or so and disables the cylinder deactivation. That and a set of new plugs and that car will most likely run many more miles. I run it on my own V6 Honda. 240K trouble free miles and counting.
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Nice video. I replaced my spark plug and fuel injector, switch the coil, the P0302 stay the same. 2005 accord 2.4
did you repair it?
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hello, the number 5 ignition coil is from Honda Civic 06/09
Dads car has this issue. After 3-4 year the cat did finally start causing excessive back pressure from all the oil that had been thrown at it, but new cat and new plugs runs great again. I guess we will run it for 3-4 more years!
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great video Paul,i liked the way you said your brother probably won't even change it.!! WHAT does surprise me is ,THAT he doesn't HAVE THOUSANDS of PLUGS just lying around. i mean what the hell? What is he ?A NEAT FREAK? does he throw all the old parts from cars away? haha i used to wrench 40 years ago and i bet i have a plug or wire from a model A car,ya the big fat ones,you never know when some restored MODEL A gonna brake down buy your shop.OH ya i also have one of those piston sand blaster,haha love your vids man.
Thanks man, really appreciate it
Honda dealer tech here knew the issue minute I saw it was a v6 rear bank had luck at the dealer soaking the cylinders with a solvent
Never knew the cylinders on this were numbered this way. Like Ford Triton. Low tech way to know: unplug first and last cylinders for one bank and check scan tool.
Good video with a good mix of high tech and old school diagnosis. Like you said no reason to rebuild the engine for a little oil burning... How about more old school on the plug and take it for a ride and drive it like you stole it for a mile or two. It might clear out the plug. I had a family member with a early 70s Mopar 440 and I'd get a call that it was running rough. I'd take it out on the highway and let it breathe if you know what I mean and bring it back purring like a kitten. That car was insane LoL
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Did this injector balance test before on my snap-on scanner. It allowed the vehicle to be running.
It probably wanted to start the procedure from a stopped engine to take full control of the fuel delivery (or place it in open loop) preventing the fuel trims from going lean creating a false positive stumble.
It might be that from an open loop on a cold engine, it can prevent it from going in closed loop and adjusting the fuel but once ots warm and in closed loop, it has to take it from start-up. They had it running for a while and there didn't seem to be any trouble codes that would keep the ecm from going closed.
I'm a Honda Tech based out of Cincinnati. Was REALLY hoping it wasn't going to be a oil fauled spark plug. Unfortunately, I see that a few times a week. Just in the past few weeks, I've had to replace piston rings on 3 different Odysseys, 2 of which were for the second time in the vehicle's life. It's a real issue, without a good solution.
Back in my younger years when engines and ignition systems were less hi-tech we saw a lot of worn out engines with this kind of issue on a weekly basis, in those times common trick was to fit a hotter (sometimes called a softer) spark plug. We would replace say an Champion N9Y with an N12Y as a short term fix.
That was the first thing I was going to suggest. It's worked for me many times.
They also used to make a sleeve you could screw the plug into then install the whole thing. The sleeve shrouded the spark plug shielding it from the oil. You would have to periodically clean the sleeve though but you didn't go through plugs as fast.
It likely wouldn't work on an coil over plug scenario though.
Thanks for sharing Paul... Cheers.
Agree on this oil burning.Repace the plug and let go to the end.Issue will come again and is cheaper to overhaul or replace an engine.
Nice video. So the 09 Honda engines have a piston ring problem that causes oil burning also? My wife drives an 07 Toyota Camry and it has the same condition. It's never given us any trouble at all. I just have a reminder on my phone to check the oil every weekend and usually it's just a little under the full line on the dipstick so I just top it off every weekend and keep on driving.
I own a 2006 Honda Odyssey with this same engine. I purchased it brand spanking new. I am anal when is comes to maintenance so bad that I change oil in my cars every 3,500 miles or 3 months. So as I noticed that this engine would burn oil about 3/4 quart every 3,500 miles even while using synthetic. So I always checked the oil. Then at about 60,000 miles I heard about a device called VCM muzzler. I got one on Ebay that you solder together and put it on the car. It stops the VCM from engaging. The kit I got comes with several resistors and a suggestion on the ambient temp and resistor combo to use. I live in an area where the winters are mild but the summers can get hot. The resistor lowers the voltage back to the VCM so it will not engage unless the engine temp gets to 180 degrees. Your temp guage will show that the engine is running a little cooler. For me it stops the VCM 95 percent of the time from engaging. Oh I have changed the spark plugs at 65k and at 120 k and no black soot on spark plugs. If you use too high of resistance you will get a check engine light. When installing the muzzler you must install it when the engine is cold.
As usual, well done. Happy New Year.
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Good job
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non fouling spark plug ext.would prob.help to keep it fouling too soon too.i belive in them.good luck too yours.you have great down to earth videos big brother.have a good one..
Man it's so hard watching Honda repair videos as a Honda tech. I was screaming pull the plug from the beginning knowing the plug was going to be fouled lol
Get rid of the aftermarket stuff too
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Same situation with me.... But it was a coil these cars you usually have to get OEM plugs denso is a must