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Did the lady with the locks agree that the court system was biased against men then question the need for men's rights activists? THIS IS WHY!!!
THIS.
IS.
WHY.
Exactly!! That’s like saying ‘well yea, rape happens but why do we need rape relief?’
oh women lol
I think I understand why she is saying that. If you are a Feminist, you want equal rigths for women. If women get equal rights, they get respeted and not underestimated or seen as "weeker" or "not capable of beeing a bad person because woman are deep down caring creatures" etc. . All those biases about women lead to the harsher procecution of men, because we see man as creatures of violence. But if woman are seen as equal to men they also get prosecuted in the same way as men. It doesnt need an extra organisation for mens right because mens equality comes with women beeing seen as equal. :)
@@lelialail702 naw. men that run the world know who the competition is. women arent willing to do or sacrifice their life for purpose. the masculine is. men are targeted using womens sexual liberation and womens rights. attack the man and you destroy the family structure
@@seds94 But this is what I mean, you assume that all women have traits like "not sacrificing for the purpose" but this is just an assumtion and not based on facts. Not all women are the same. You talk like you met them all. :P When you prosecute someone you have to see the individual and not the gender the person has.
an incel is not a men's rights activist
I bet they put him there to make men's rights side look dumb
@@gagliardivex9218 that’s exactly what they did
Plus I don't know if a person can choose to be an incel, a person can be abstinent. That's when you choose to not have sex. But I thought incel is a guy who wants sex but can't get any. Either he's a troll or never knew that he is abstinent, and not an incel.
@Bandit yeah but he admits to being an incel. Who admits to that unless they are trolling? Lol he could just say he's been abstinent.
There’s reasons why that guy is incel... and he shows them lol
Woman: cuts off guy
Preach: cuts off woman
ad: cuts off Preach
Underrated comment right here
Me: skips ad
Lol... in the end ads get us all
Always a bigger fish
Premium. No ads....I’ll see myself out. :(
Imagine coming to a debate and being all prepared to be logical and respectful and have a genuine discussion and then you get Derek on your team
I honestly think it would've gone better if it was just the 2 guys. Derek literally only negatively affected the arguments.
@@castform7 Let's be real though, Kursat was such an absolute unit they had to balance the odds somehow
I liked derek
They put him there so women’s team looks better. There’s some crazy terf female supremacist feminists out there. Why not get one of those crazy bluegreen haired women who are screaming rape at every protest? Derek is the men’s equivalent of those.
It's like having the dream team going to the Olympics but for some reason Michael Jackson is on their team. Bro what are you doing there in the first place
The girl with the locks: "How dare you tell someone to their face, that their experience is not valid?"
Also the girl with the locks: "Why do you even need a men's rights movement?"
If I try to talk about a woman's cycle and how annoying it is to deal with it as a man don't you think somebody's going to just tell me to shut up yeah there might be some people who agree but at the end of the day I need to man up and figure out a solution for what my woman needs
LOL literallyyyy in the next breath...sometimes my fellow whamen confuse me
All the guy asked was a question which was a good thing because he just wanted to understand her personal situation and come to a common ground.
Sometimes asking questions can trigger someone because either they never been asked or it seems like a defense
Not to mention she shut down the asian dude before that, invalidating his experience or view of "locker room talk".
Like all these feminists seemed to be really hypocrites of what they preached about. Asian dude barely got to say anything, Derek was a troll, and only Kursat came with statistics and valid points.
@@EnraiChannel that’s why I refuse to stay in a conversation that doesn’t allow people to speak without being talked over, rude, or dismissing what I have to say in opinion, views, and beliefs.
I’d just all away not gonna waste my time sitting in a conversation that’s no good.
Kursat was spitting facts, the Asian dude didn’t even get a chance to speak and was regretting coming to this discussion, and Derrick was there to weaken the men’s side
This was beasically a group project experience
I think everybody there was referring coming there.
Not because of the conversation but because it's Jubilee
Derrick is a woman in drag. ;)
Yep, silence the Asian guy just like society always does.
@Charlie Baskerville when did he say that
If this was an Anime I can imagine Korsats glasses shining every time he spoke facts.
Kursat: *glasses shine* "Hehehe, you fool YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!"
Then feminists be like : korsats has shining glasses because he is a man .
He wasnt wrong tho
Hahahaaa! Are you thinking of Gendo Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion or maybe Master Roshi?
@@Token_Black_Guy what? you pathetic
Kursat actually helped me understand what the men’s right movement is and where it stems from while Derrick represents exactly who I thought men’s rights activists were
There doesn't need to be a man Rights movement man needs to start taking responsibility for their actions in the actions of those in their community men have allowed their self to be babied by the feminist movement because someone said that they don't have to be big and strong anymore they have allowed themselves to be made into a bunch of wimps that's the reason why these people are complaining about it because they just aren't ready for the new game don't hate the player it's not their fault that you're not leveled up to the status that is needed you're just last year's model I guess
Most male jokes towards women are degrading filthy or even physically violent that's the reason why she didn't want to listen to it
Well, yeah of course you did because you're biased.
@@iBloodxHunter yo how tf did you even understand that mumbling? It's legit a four paragraph sentence my brain just checked out halfway
@@BBBoroBongo It's been some time so I'll have to be reminded of the context, but the generic answer is I can read people like books.
Unless I actually like them.
Women: "men need to talk about their feelings."
Also women: "we don't care how you feel."
Yea
Don't generalize, I actually do care
When have they ever said that? Seems like you pulled that out of nowhere... Men do need to talk about their feelings since bottling them up can make anyone feel depressed.
@@MistressMillie „We understand that men are treated unfair in front of the law“
4 second pause --
„Why do we need a mens rights movement“
@@baronhelmut2701 We simply pointed out that her exact words were not "we don't care how you feel" because we wanted to emphasize that men should discuss their emotions/depression. :D
I wanted a male feminist and a woman who is a male rights activist too that would've made it more of a striking conversation.
I agree 💯% If anything I think we can both agree on which ones should be cut from bitch sides to facilitate that next time...first one is Derrick
karen would murder any male feminist though
@@jayhollow7966 Damn the Jews have Trump and the Republican party, the Democratic party and Marxist on their hand... Damn who don't they control
What kind of male is a feminist lmao
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“It’s hard to win an argument with a genius but it’s impossible to win an argument with an idiot”
"Being dumb is the same as being dead, it's ok for you, but it's painful to everybody else around"
Can I use your comment I love it
Jacob Gestetner of course you can
Mac Matheson if we ever do the “fucky fucky” I will use my reverse card
@@thund3rbird738 Damn that's dark
A woman for real said that i can’t be mad at the woman that molested me when i was 8 years old. Because i don’t know what she was going through at the time 😂
I don’t care about what gender you are a predator is a predator and I’m sorry that happened to you. No one would ever say that in regards to male predator because most predators are victims don’t make it right
Sorry you had to go through that.
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
Especially as a person that was also sexually harassed as a kid (at 9), I can't imagine someone telling me that about that pedophile.
That woman who said that is nuts and should be investigated because who defends a child molester ???
Jesus man I’m sorry you went through that, and her response is so frustrating too
I believe it, people be dismissing the wildest sh** and what’s more is somehow someone is gonna fault you for even sharing your past
My father was a battered husband in the 70's - 80's. He's the gentlest person every and was my stay at home. He still has a lot of traumas from his first wife that I see everyday. I'm a men's rights activist for him and every man who is shamed for trying to take a modicum of care for themselves.
You're an incredible person for doing that. He's a lucky man to have you in his life. Love the username too
Adultery is a sin.
Please, repent before it is too late.
what ??? @@TedEhioghae
Although Aba and Preach didn’t show it, the feminist in the middle actually brought up that women should be held accountable for abuse towards men and stop hiding behind the idea that because men are stronger, they can’t be abused so shoutout to you
I agree with that!
She brought some good things up yea but she still wasn't sounding like she wanted to understand where the men was coming from
They've cut themselves out a lot in this video even in the middle of points I think it's just bad editing all round
Yes
They are men. Of course, they will show everything that makes their points stronger. Lol
lmao that asian guy was just sitting there like "why did I even sign up for this debate"
he just got bullied
I love how he sits there and is just like, uhh yall gonna let me talk or not.... fuck it.
@@kuunt6065 Dude she went off on him lol. I felt like she was holding onto that anger for a minute and couldn't wait any longer to let that out.
I feel bad for him, and Kursat. Honestly.
I know I felt so bad for him.
As a woman, I am very much disgusted by the way parts of this conversation went. Women say they want to be "heard" yet while homeboy was listening, he asked "how and where" to learn and she spazzed out at him. Not to dismiss how her experiences made her feel but that part confused the shit out of me. I was actually looking forward to how that conversation would go til her tone took a turn. Also miss lady who referred to the man's knowledge as "little research", that's the type of energy that will get us women NO WHERE!! It's one thing if she was stating facts and he dismissed her in any way but let a man approach the doorstep of being right and there comes the attitude. I could easily choose sides based on the fact that I am a woman but right is right and wrong is... you know. WRONG!! Us women need to do better if we really want better. Or we can spend another few decades blaming men and not taking accountability for the things we should. If most feminists would walk into a room like this with the intention to share and learn rather than just to be heard and/or to be right the world would be a better place.
At this pace it might be too late. Many man are just checking out all together and walking away due to this. Just too tired to keep trying. For years we've been trying. The whole while still dealing with men's problems and just doing as we were told and taught. Suck it up. Deal with it. "Be a man." societies favorite phrase to force us to die an early death and like it. Then we're told we're evil and the root of all problems and violent for existing. We've heard no uterus no opinion. Then yelled at for not standing up against the overturn of roe v wade. So it's a constant damned if we do. Damned if we don't. Damned because we breath.
The "We believe in commitment" got me 🤣
"I don't know why, but I hate this kid already"
*Everybody liked that*
The comment section of the video, is nothing but hate at Derrick.
Seriously....where did Jubilee get this kid?
He's so cringey, Jubilee purposely put him in the video to discredit their entire position, even though the other men were making fair arguments.
Lol, dude is awkward AF and his voice is super cringey
To be fair little brother needs a job site and real face to face social interaction with both men and women. Call it stress inoculation.
@@kogayoshi1 I agree.
“You did your little research or whatever....” you mean he came prepared to a debate.... how dare he!?
I know right! That comment was so absurd
Sounds TERRIBLE
That is an example of toxic masculinity
@@sierra002hg2 what is...?
@@nickb6425 the fact he came into the meet with facts and research when she was talking about feelings
My dude that came with the facts is the only reason I could sit through this vid.
"I don't need you to protect me, I just need you to not harm me. I am very capable of protecting myself."
Then why do you need to ask people not to harm you? Protect yourself.
“I am very capable of protecting myself.”
Me: “IS THAT SO?!”
*[draws fencing sword]*
“WELL THEN, ÉN GARDE!!”
She said "I know you came with your little research" 😂. This is why men say women dont think logically and only run on emotions.
Roshunda Hutch facts how you come to a debate then get annoyed when somebody came prepared lol
@@BetterDeath Exactly.
Roshunda Hutch 🖨
Women always take what they feel after hearing something and going off of that, instead of what was actually said and intended. Hence why they cant debate rationaly
Kianjelo Giorgio Many women can debate properly.
"Men have Less attempts in suicide, but go through with it more, cause men believe in commitment"
OMG that killed me
7:25 had me deceased
Literaly killed you
Yes
Woman logic, right?
😮
Girl with the dreads is so emotional you can tell she's about to cry whenever she talks
i think you guys are helping people understand a lot more about their perspectives and about what's going on. i love this channel. love you guys!
Their idea of Locker room talk: man she got a wagon. I’d tap that all day
Actual Locker room talk: Batman would give spidey the hands no cap.
Bruh! 😁🙌🏽
True
Deadass
Bro you bugging spider man is a genius just like batman and he has actual powers, he has lost some one just like batman, and he did his thing with 1% of batman's income, with a part time job as a photographer.
Women base mens locker room talk on how they speak to each other in beauty salons. I grew up in a household full of women and the way that they talk about men gets ridiculous sometimes...well alot of the time and feminists project the way they talk in private on us.
Derrick’s that one person on ya team when you and your teammates are killing it and y’all confused how the game’s tied, so you look at the leader board and he has 0 kills 28 deaths.
This comment is perfect, i can relate, as i played Halo and cod growing up
Tell him to man the fuck up.
He's the one who has -1 kills because he committed suicide on accident
William Walton Jesus Christ man
@Bob Scrotum bruh scrotum
Jubilee was looking for an easy sabotage. And they found it.
As a woman I am embarrassed by these young emotionally unstable women. They're using their personal abusive experiences to punish the world. All the nastiness I've ever encountered were NOT from men but from women in power in my workplace. Actually, through my life experiences, I have found men to be a lot easier to work with and not as petty.
People really got to realise that their personal experiences don't necessarily correlate with the system. The women in my life have also caused me the most harm but those are the women in my life, not all women in general.
Me too as women
She is one 😡
A survey in Australia - maybe 5 years ago - showed that 8 out of 10 FEMALE workers preferred male bosses. Reasons were not divulged, but that was the consensus.
An incel is not a men's rights activist...the way Derrick was talking was like he is a "male supremecist" he should not even be there
But alot of men that are incel dont think they are they think they're being mens right activists, like when women are toxic feminists but want women put above they think that's what feminists are. Although we dont see it I think it was on how they see themselves.
@@chloereed2434 thats exactly my point he is no different then a radical feminist
@@chloereed2434 exactly
The producers knew this, even Derrick himself stated that he was under the branch but not really part of it. They put him there as a plant in order to weaken the argument but it didn’t work
@@warriyu4878 misandrist is the terms.
"Why do guys need mens rights?"
"How dare you tell another human beings experinces aren't valid?"
Im in tears people need to listen to themselves
@George Bush I agree with you, with every argument one side brings up the other doesn't address the issue but adds to it. However I don't think that men's rights advocates (a good few I've heard speak) have both eyes open. The people who claim they hate men and all men are trash and can't put it past them to acknowledge that men also struggle with societal issues, maybe not as much as women do and maybe not at all in some instances, in the name of feminism disappoint me
@George Bush I genuinely couldn't care about trying to read your paragraph because it doesn't make sense, but what really fucking annoys me is how you view America as the "most free society" Are you actually fucking kidding me? You genuinely think the USA is one of the best countries in the world? AT WHAT? CRIME RATE? It fucking baffles me. I know you were implicitly attacking Scandinavian countries, yes sometimes some of those countries are a bit too liberal even for me, but they have statistics to prove that SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES ARE SOME OF THE HAPPIEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.
@George Bush I genuinely can't get over how you think America is one of the best countries. Like, come on, have some self-awareness fucking christ. I hate this idea that America is an amazing place, yes some things are pretty cool, but it doesn't make it any better than most countries, I don't see what is so amazing? I don't see much positive shit getting headlines, I know it's because drama sells but still if America was THAT amazing, people would know about it.
Immediately went to emotional 0-100 at a snap. These woman all they did was throw jabs. Petty
@@jorddalord5400 scandinavian countries are quite literally the best countries in the world. No cap, Compare to America might as well call them heaven
Big love for Aba and Preach ❤️ Promoting healthy open honest discussion about all kinds of issues. You really take the stress out of my day thank you! ✌️
"I know you came with your little research or whatever" dude my eye literally twitched lmao
"Men have no rite talking about women's problems, but let me explain what masculinity is."
@ezeeckiel blinded by rage
How is masculinity a "male issue?" Masculinity is gender. We're taught gender since birth. Anyone who uses their brain and notices things can explain what femininity and masculinity are thought to be
They were talking about toxic masculinity, which women are typically victims of so they have every right to explain it.
ezeeckiel there’s a difference between a man telling a woman she can’t have an abortion, and woman describing what toxic masculinity is. That’s all real feminists complain about men speaking on. You can talk about whatever you want to talk about. How periods are gross and they get in the way of your sex cycle, bc it is and women hate them too. You can talk about how it makes us crazy bc it overloads us with hormones and without proper medication, it does actually make us out of control with our emotions. And don’t get me started on menopause. Y’all can talk about whatever you want to talk about. Real feminists don’t care. We want equality by *right* and *respect* , not a dictation over a small group of men that can’t seem to do enough research about real feminism bc all they see on Facebook is feminazis complaining about how woman aren’t paid equal to men. But go off, sis.
ezeeckiel I do. I live in the south and feminists are needed. I can’t go anywhere alone without fearing my life or my virtue. That’s a real problem. Bc people don’t know how to raise proper men. I need feminists bc I wasn’t allowed to make any decisions for myself while I got to watch my brother do whatever he wanted growing up. When I became a manager at my old workplace I had no respect from anyone even though my numbers were the highest on my team. You act as tho we’ve achieved everything we want. But it’s the same thing as with racism, sexism is still alive and very present to me everyday. Yes I can get paid more than a man, yes I can vote, yes I can own property and have custody of my children but I still don’t have the respect men get just for being born. Feminism isn’t going to die out just because you think there’s nothing left, because that’s so beyond wrong.
The black lady needs therapy. Her experiences are not a case of discrimination and her pain is clouding her perceptions...
Can we have more of your incites please?? It's refreshing
I know right. She's going based off of her pass traumas not someone majority's
@@jrr7031 Ha ha! I am tryimg not to be im comment sections too much cs I get roped into time consuming debates but of course lol and thank you. :)
@@femdivinemind7777 come on. Do it like 2x times. If not for me, do it for the kids.
She need to wake up, your man is target for feminism
I really hope you never stop making videos. Spent the entire day watching your stuff and I've never been more entertained in my entire life 😂
These women are mad disrespectful. What a shame
Instead of that little incel boy, they should have had a father who's being kept away from his kids & milked for child support while his baby mama smears him in court & among family as abusive, etc.
Well they probably couldn't get one because men like that are wrongly put in jail.
Yeah no one complained about toxic masculinity in WW2 I wonder why. THe fact that they are even thinking about this nonsense shows how spoiled and entitled they are.
I would pay my whole college tuition to see that. Even get in-debt for it.
@@BillClinton228 Nigga what.
I volunteer as tribute
Derrek is exactly what I expected from someone who happily admits they're an incel
lets be real, homeboy didn't need to admit it
I mean cudos or admiting it...
Theres a video of him being asked questions about being an incel i believe
@dontsay Ok you didn’t have to mention him at all being ugly but ok
@dontsay Ok, like I legit agreed with everything else you said but that was extra, there was no reason to put that
Man i love your content, you guys make very valed and reasonable points and dam good time doing it, lots of love. Greetings from Mexico.
Dudes, y’all are spot on. Love your show!
No matter if you are a feminist or a men’s right activist, we can all agree that Derrick was not needed here.
They put him there so they can give a bad look to MRA. He literally said it that he is an Incel but still they put him with MRA.
no i dont agree , we are genetically bad and terorists and the bad genes must be deleted before we make another men to suffer and be beaten or died
@@boyfeminineagainstmasculin5940 i get that english may not be your first language, but some of your wordchoices with this comment and others maaaaay not be presenting your ideas and opinions correctly. And if they are thats a little concerning.
Like, Men arent genetically bad or terrorists
@@bloodydove5718 I think he's trolling
@@Dokemoni involuntarily celibate. Most incels are not able to develop proper sexual relationships either due to genetic looks, personality, status or money and figured that the unicorn women (they dont exist) go after the top men most of the time. Some get resentful, some accept their fate and move on and some just give up on life because of it. Sometimes it doesn't help when they get ridiculed by a lot of people. In fact it only make matters worse IMO.
Having an open mind, debating without emotion and leaving food for thought in their minds is enough for them to reconsider.
But society nor its sheeple cannot comprehend such logic.
The lady in the dreads needs therapy. She's so traumatized by the constant violations she endures by men that when someone asks a question about it she goes into a PTSD tirade when nobody is attacking her.
It must be tough being asked out by men every so often! I'd hate it if women did that to me. I have to wear a suit or a wedding ring to get that attention ;)
Exactly my thoughts....she needs to chill out
And I do feel bad for her because women do go through that. She’s just not built for a discussion because of it
@Marten Dekker I mean it is tough for her. My girlfriend and female friends tell me all the time how tough it is for them. Girls legit get killed for turning down guys it’s a sad world we live in. But in order to make change, women like the black lady have to put those things behind them which she hasn’t learned to do. It sucks to feel powerless
This is so true.
This shouldn't even be a video. We are put here for one another. Man , Woman, & Child. The constant going back & forth isn't solving anything. People Innerstand that we need one another instead of trying to pick apart how different we are & try to figure out we can balance one another out. love & light to you all ☮️.
I've tried to explain to my Mother and All my Family and Friends about my Depression and Anxiety...
They just don't get it and they all turned out to be Toxic when I started therapy, quit smoking cigarettes, been alcohol free since Jan 2016...
Long story short. Blood Poison is real and it's only our decisions is our outcomes. It is what we know now that makes the difference.
I am happy for you getting therapy.
And blood doesn't mean shit, surround yourself with people who support you.
"Women attempt suicide more, more men than women actually suicide though, because we believe in commitment"
Holy shit, Aba, that was some extra dark humor, damn
Bruh I laughed so hard
I laughed😂
It's actually suppose to be due to methods. Men are statistically more likely to use more aggressive or violent methods. While women are more likely to use less effective methods giving time for intervention. Funny point though 😂
True though. Often women will do it as a cry for help where men often do it to get it done.
KanedaSyndrome lol thats exactly what he said
a men's right activist and a feminist walk into a bar, and i immediately leave that bar
Why you leaving? I’d be grabbing the popcorn.
Hunter Womack on god I grab a popcorn with extra butter and a medium coke
the only thing worse than a female with a victim complex is a male with one
Locks is running off emotion and needs some therapy. Her PTSD is raging.
7:20 "And more likely to go through the process, because we believe in commitment". Holy shit lol. You're consistently popping out these little gems.
When I first saw Derrick, I had an idea of what he would be like in my head, but I told myself "You can't judge by it's cover."
Well, sometimes the cover accurately portrays the book.
Aye ever read the communist manifesto?
lol sometimes the book has the synopsis on the front
@Fondil Mahbols Well they did a good job. They didn't do a great job on the women either tho.
He shouldn't count as a men's rights activist. He's clearly mgtow 😂
covers are literally designed for you to judge the book on... just saying...
Kursat this whole video: "I'm surrounded by idiots" 😂
Well he was xD
Guitar Is Life the Asian dude was alright
that man had a PhD in fire breathing
On both sides, there were all idiots lmao. Kursat did his research really well.
Kursat thinking shit these ppl need reaearch
It seems to me that one major issue here (on both sides) is that some things are so obvious to us that when the other side questions those things, it feels like they're dismissing us or that they're not even trying to understand. Like when one of the men asked when and how women get harmed by men, my instinctive answer as a woman is "Duh. Every other day when we leave our homes...?" I mean, I can't even wear tank tops anymore without being scared of getting harrassed, and I fear having to tie my shoelace in public as much as I fear spiders. Same when one of the women asked why there is a need for a men's rights movements, it's clearly shocking to people who know more on men's issues.
I would actually want to see this discussion today
That was a poor representation of feminists. Feminists are meant to stand up for women's rights, without tearing down men and their rights in the process!! So embarrassing!
Do you really believe that fam?
@@kekyantoine6804 What? If you are asking do I believe men and women both have rights and we should support each other? Yes.
To often Feminism has become an escape for women that simply hate men. The more rational women's rights activists are not feminists. Feminism is to WRA, what Incels are to MRA. A radicalized hate group, that overgeneralizes all problems they experience on another gender.
Third and fourth wave feminism ruins the movement, it's way better to call yourself an ageltarian or an equalist instead.
MRAs and feminists are the losers of their respective genders
7:16 "Woman are far more likely to be depressed than men, but men are more likely to commit suicide and go through with the process. *Because we believe in commitment* " 😂😂😂
i dont believe in comitment , and i dont have beliefs , beliefs block the thinkin , belief is fake and false
Man had me weak when he said that.
I paused the video and really sat here with an "O" face. LMAOOOOO
@@boyfeminineagainstmasculin5940
You believe that the next breath you take will happen automatically don't you?
You believe that when you walk into a store that you will be able to pick whatever is on the shelves up and purchase it if you have enough money don't you?
You believe that whatever device you typed your comment on will send it to be posted the way you typed it right?
@@boyfeminineagainstmasculin5940 you do know that thinking is the cause of belief, right?
*makes condescending face* "I didn't bring a list, my dude". Somebody just got called out for not knowing shit yet running their mouth and their response is sass.
"Jokes do not lead to violence" Tell that to Chris Rock's left cheek xD
Black girl: I've told you three of my stories. I haven't heard any of your stuggles.
Asian dude: (this girl has interupted me three times in the last 5 seconds)
It would have been interesting if one of the guys did have similar stories but that were slightly worse. Like a woman feeling all up on him and then claiming sexual harassment because he turned her down. And got into a fight with his wife because she didn't believe all women.
@@bryanwoods3373 they would probably dismiss it, too. Saying something like "men can't get sexually herassed, cuz they like it." or "why didn't you just push her off? You're stronger."
@@adamvile9104 most women don’t say that doe.. i find it funny bc it’s mostly men saying it
@@jjspacey why are you lying to yourself? Bro I can seriously pull up statistics
@@okolk6450 you can do that if you want.. and i was saying from what i hear and see it’s mostly men
You came with your "little research". He should apologize for having facts.
now she's being dismissive
Most of them are like that. Toxic hypocrites
I fell out 😂😂😂
This is a feminist debate! We don't want facts here! What it the matter with you?!
None of them came with research and they weren’t supposed to anyways
How did I barely learn about this channel? Lol 😆 I love the honesty in all of these videos.
She literally said “a creation of another group isn’t an erasure of the other group”
Proceeds to then say “Why do u need a whole MEN’S rights activist group??!!!!”
She literally acts like they’re trying to erase feminism for creating another group
Kursat that one dude in anime with glasses.
😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Bro was packing heat, made them rage quit the whole convo
He's the Chad
Kurrurrin
😂😂😂😂
Can we get incel boy and the vegan girl in the same room plz.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Deathmatch
Yes please
Pleaseeee 🤣🤣🤣
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Nah I really love this show. Y’all better not alter or do anything nothing to change this keep the conversation rolling!
Oh man “We believe in commitment” got me. I know I shouldn’t laugh but damn that was good
Lmao wtf Korsat was great at not seeming like a misogynist. And they were mad/pissed off that someone who is for men’s rights wasn’t a misogynist. He made great points. Most of which were about the injustices men face in the legal system which is a definite problem.
And he threw a lot of specific data in there. The ladies likely ignored him because they think he's making up the numbers or is using a faulty study. It's interesting how many times you get told to provide proof or sources for statements when it's about male victims, but many feminists will just say it's a study they read. I followed one source back and found out that not only was the original statement forty years old, it was said by the president of the organization at a rally they were doing. Who knows how true it was even then, though there are plenty of other studies that disagree. In other research, I found out there was a victimization study of reports from 1973 to 1993, and they've done them annually since. Every single one says that men make up something like 60% of victims of violent crimes in every category except sexual crimes. I know there's going to come a time when I mention this fact, and the other person will try to discredit me by asking what fallible source I got that from. The Bureau of Justice. And the irony is that the entire project was started to study victimization of women.
i wish they would have talked about how men’s legal oppression is due to sexism towards women. let me explain: women are seen as less capable than men, more innocent, more empathetic, kinder, i can go on and on. these qualities enable women to be let off the hook for crimes or not even tried in the first place, because no one assumed they were capable of it. this creates a place where men are always seen as more violent and given harsher punishments to combat this inequality
@@scarlett4531 and maybe when women are opressed it’s because sexism towards men 🤔
Agree! Only point where he fell down was women not being up for death row for the same crimes, didn't say that women don't commit them as often. I'm sure that goes into it, beyond the bias against men for being more violent (which they are, there should be a discussion about if that is okay and why bias isn't something that should be in practice).
@@hazelbd8201 I'd like to see more studies on aggression in women with a recognition of bias. Many studies have shown that women are more indirect in their forms of aggression, like spreading rumors and gossip. There are also many peers that disagree with the ways aggression is tested for. You have to wonder if the methodology of the studies dismiss certain behaviors because they are done by women and focus on the ways men are aggressive. There have been other reports that show courts are more lenient towards women, especially if there's a way to attribute their behavior as being provoked by a man. If studies are looking at violent crime felonies to determine gender differences in violence, they might be missing a lot of violent crimes that were downgraded to misdemeanors. Or because she used poison to murder someone instead of stabbing them. It's one of the faults in the rape statistics that are often quoted. The legal definition of rape, at least used to, require that the victim be penetrated. If a woman rapes a man, he's not getting penetrated; so it is charged as aggravated assault. Not sure anyone has aggregated both charged together.
*"I know you came with your little research or whatever"*
WOW......SAYS IT ALL......
Right!?!??? What an arrogant, obnoxious, haughty bitch!!!
Yeah, she basically dismissed his research because she has to prove her claims.
She totally contradict herself and made herself look like a hypocrite by dismissing him.
That woman probably wonders why she spends her Friday nights with Netflix and her cat.
ny_kia31 don't get it twisted. She can still get picked up whenever, and that's the problem.
@Harmione Lover Men have historically shown that they're actually WAAAY more emotional than women by a longshot. I can point to countless stories of men killing women/wives over rejection or literally anything else to prick their ego.
"cause we believe in commitment." Absolutely not expected, and coffee came outta my nose
this is the most petty yet my favorite of all ur videos
They compared men to children but complained when they did it to women
DOMIJOTO was here
When did they compare men to children?
@Adam Mack it's was a comparison different ways, the man's one was to say they weren't capable of taking care of them selfs and the womens was a dig at immaturity, I don't think either is right tho
Adam Mack
I think most men would feel insulted if a group of women said *things would be best if they were treated as children because that’s basically what they’re similar to. You’re not very bright nor honest.
Adam Mack
Of course it does in this context. Are you really this stupid? If you’re comparing one sex of adults to the inherently immature life stage of our species then of course you’re saying that that sex isn’t equal to the sex not being likened to children. A lot of good school did a halfwit like you.
himode
Cringey insults instead of rational arguments? How male of you.
“Women attempt suicide more, but men actually go through with the process, cuz we believe in commitment.” 😂😂😂😂 I’m dead
Was a awesome comment
So are they
Tbf he has a point, I work in mental health, and the depression I’ve seen (most) women come in for therapy have issues with small things that didn’t go their way that stuck with them and made them feel sad, whereas with men it’s usually really crushing stuff that is really difficult to deal with
I think that comment went way over some people heads lol
That was a damn good comment lol
"We believe in commitment" at this moment Aba started to go IN!
Kursat was like Atlas having to hold that team on his back.
Korsat and the Asian dude came for a Debate, they got a High School Argument instead.
Both sides in this are badly represented in this.
There is no good representation of incels.
Korsat was pretty good
The black chick and the Asian girl were alright.
The asian dude and redhead dude did alright too.
Relatively I guess.
true
blop yeah,and zach (the Asian dude) did good too,he just kept getting cut off
“You came with your little research”
LOL bruh I lost it
Jamison K 😂 Like duh, you should’ve came with yours. Instead of speaking from emotion. Which I find most people don’t respond to. Emotions vary facts shouldn’t.
But the condescending on dismissive tone of it though.
*and*
Jamison K 😝😝😝😝😝
They always feel threatened when a man is taking the time to notice, research, and put stuff together b/c now they have to reach farther, lol
He's being VERY sympathetic. How and why and she's going off, like she's talking to the perpetrator, himself. She's getting lost in her memories.
Damn near just wasted my dab. “We believe in commitment” killed my ass laughing and coughing
The incel wasn't even an mra and the actual mra who had research was talked down and didn't get to engage as much
odabuu the broad shut him down by saying his facts and research didn’t matter
Yea... The incel seemed like a cool guy.. A good diet and some work in the gym and he'll be fine.
@@wrldonwill he's definitely not ugly
@@wrldonwill And a stylist. This dude really walked into that conversation with a pokemon hoodie on. 🤣
William William dude said he’d already lost a 100 lbs or something to that effect in another video
"How dare you tell another human being that their experience is invalid"
same person 30 seconds before....
"Why do you need a Men's Rights activism group? I'm confused as to why you need that."
Hey man gotta give her a break her feminist programming couldn't handle the hot facts Kursat was spitting.
Thugnificent 😭😭😭 true
@@thugnificent7534 Kursat hit every point with facts and logic
@@thugnificent7534 BRRRUUUHHHH when that next album out?
Because men’s right is nothing more than male ego and insecurities trying to once again marginalized women. Men have never been oppressed. Any form of injustice a man face was more than likely brought upon by another man. 🤯
💀'because we believe in commitment' 🤣dawg I'm dying
it doesn't matter what conclusion each individual in the conversation walks away with. that's just a handful of people. as long as the overall public can see how this played out, the reasonable person can come to their own conclusions. this is why public discourse is important
I witnessed the disgraceful way my husband was treated in the UK family law courts, for wanting to be part of his children’s lives. His ex wife could say ANYTHING and be believed. My husband had to virtually jump through hoops.
You will never convince me that men and women are treated equally in the family courts- especially in the UK
I'm from the UK and I agree. It's not just family courts either, it's courts in general. If you take a case where an adult has groomed and abused a child for example, then a man always gets a longer sentence than a woman.
When it comes to paternity rights, mothers automatically have rights and parental responsibility to their child while fathers have to be married to the mothers for those same rights. Unmarried fathers however need a parental responsibility agreement as deemed by court for rights to their own child. This is a legitimate law in the UK too, along with the fact that the laws do not recognise female rapists as actual rapists, which sickens me to my core. The UK is fucked.
It's actually everywhere you go. Women are always seen as more competent when it comes to taking care of children because mommy was most of the time either the good cop of the relationship and was a tiny bit more "present" ( that's what the majority thinks at least). Even though a lot of mothers can and are the worst parent someone could have.
It is despicable for willing fathers in the uk justus sh1tstem.
This isn’t just a U.K problem, we have these issues in the U.S as well and many other countries too.
"women aren't attacking men, we are just trying to help you understand our problems"
"ok can you explain your problems?"
*proceeds to attack this man*
It's communism manipulative mindset
@Thim Paul The way to win argument is either you add racist,communist,bigot,sexist and you'll win.
@Thim Paul bruh I'm pretty sure they were making a joke lmfao, communism did have problems regarding people's right and even if promised with rights, people are often disregarded and only created new problems due to their tyranny. Plus it's a joke, because communism is commonly treated as a joke in most cases, unlike sexism, racism, etc.
@Thim Paul And if you really believe that insulting is an argument that makes you win, then you're underestimating people's logic. The reason why they've initiated a negative comment was because the person's logic was already bad, and that gives the insult worth. Insulting someone as an argument automatically means you're pretty useless at arguing, and I think most people acknowledge that
@Thim Paul That they simply made a joke in which you took too seriously, then eventually accused them of something they even aren't
I hate when people say that they can look after themselves. Say that the next time you are confronted by someone bigger or badder.
That guy is not involuntarily celibate, he’s fat, he has a bad hairdo, he dresses bad, he probably games and lives online, what does he expect?!? I’m a member of “crimson capsule” thinking, but our main objective is bettering yourself to be worthy of good women and the sexual availability you desire. He can be who he is, but bitching about women not liking him is pointless, of course they don’t want you, look in the mirror, dude!
I understand men's rights and women's rights but I think that we just end up hearing from the extremes. I think this panel would have done better if they had someone in the females side that was at the same level as Kursat.
Well proves there arent smart feminists (joking)
The women in the panel are talking more on personal experiences and using those things to generalize a whole community. The men (aside from Derrick) are talking about problems most of the people outside the movement are experiencing and that may include themselves in. The men there aren't generalizing, they're stating facts. The feminists in this panel are getting angry out of emotion, speaking their stories, making it a competition, but not speaking actual suffering of women as a whole.
Armontek Derek had to be a troll my guy sounded like he was about to advocate for slavery soon.
Right? I was thinking the same thing. I would have gladly been on that panel to fill that roll. To me atleast, feminism should be about men’s and women’s rights. I know the actual movement isn’t. But it should, and most real feminists I know think like this. Or they atleast acknowledge that they are both equally bad. Equality’s a great problem, in general
There aren't feminists at the same level as Kursat who would be on this because they're a minority.
bruh she literally cut him off to dismiss his experiences and then when he asks her to give examples of her experiences she gets mad that he's "dismissing her experiences"??? i do not follow this logic at all
They just want to shout at men for the troubles in their lives because theyre not strong enough, they dont understand that thats not a gender specific trait, everyone feels powerless and pointless these days because the world has turned in to a big shop and we don't have a say, we all just have to keep packing the shelves while the bosses live the good life. Weird analogy maybe but it makes sense to me
Urayis wish l that’s why there are very few of us in healthy relationships.
Womens logic are not logic.
The green yard it’s not logic, it’s emotion. We suffered so you owe us. Lol no what about the silent suffering of men? They just take it and don’t bitch about it. My husband carries us financially and never complains. I keep the house and have his dinner ready, that’s the least I can do as a loving wife who appreciates my hardworking husband. I think values have been lost along the way as well but that’s another topic.
Projection
She's 100% right about jokes. I used to joke all the time about being gay. I was 110% straight. Years pass by and I kissed the homies goodnight one to many times... and I caught some type of feelings for the homies.
I love the commentary. You guys are always spot on lol I’m glad I’m not alone with fucking common sense.
*A plethora of points describing male discrimination are listed and explained*
"WhAt Do YoU eVeN nEeD a MeN's RiGhTs GrOuP fOr?????"
If I was there I would call her out saying " Did you not hear what I said because you just told me why we need a men's March....well we need this because us as men don't need feminism to try and force us to be what you want nor tell us how a man should be"
and then she goes on to wrongly accuse the guy for minimizing her plight when all he did was ask a simple question. The irony!
Lol logic bypasses women's ears like carryout going through your bowels.
Buckwheat !!!!!!!!!!!!
As a Male I do find the need for a mens right movement to be quite funny because if you look at our history we're women only had the rights men give them and not a real voice in what happened in the world is how we got here all of the issues the men brought up happened based on the deeds of other men put simplify men feel like they need to defend themselves from discrimination of other men not women still trying to have an actual voice in the world all the Male talking points were done to men by men
"I know you came with your little research, or whatever..." aka "You're not letting me lead this conversation with emotion and I see you've got facts but..."
😂😂💯💯
🤣🤣🤣💯💯
Another version of “I just find it funny how....”
She was belittling him...
THIS!
THIS IS MOST ARGUMENTS WITH WOMEN! Gah damn they're so aggy 😂 you gotta spit facts in a way that circumvents their triggers.... FUUUUUUUUUCK lol
Damn the clip of these people hurt my brain. Absolutely huge leaps in correlation, that PhD student must have been dying inside.
It's not toxic masculinity that makes some men commit disgusting acts against other people...It's the absence of it
The producers needed Derrick because Kursat was making too much sense.
Facts bro
They had a man with a PhD and Title IX expert they had to find the least credible man willing to show up. Kurosat was probably a fluke in their plan.
I think they wanted them to actually fight each other. Put derrick against anyone and a fight is going to happen.
Derick isn't eloquent, but he's still correct.
You should see the full audio jubilee was biased see the full vid on kursat
One thing this video made me realise is that WE aren't listening to each other
Its because of victim the mentality from both sides, they literally all think they are the victims, so its always "listen to me listen to me". I mean the male side couldn't even acknowledge that there toxic masculinity and the feminists just assumed that male rights are not important. What a dumb group of people
Kgabo Molele My exact opinion. I think instead of picking random people off the streets to speak, they get people with educational backgrounds in these types of subjects.
But, but...my feefees 😭 why won't you listen to me I have feefees!! 😡
Who's we? Feminists tend to not want to include men's issues in terms of equality and gender. Look at what happens when women who want to talk about men's issues and men who just want to raise awareness about both issues of men and women but men especially get from feminists(third wave feminists to be exact). They get death threats, doxed, bullied, and etc.
Everyone is in a bubble of their own experience and therefore there's no objectivity
Kursat is the only one smart and able enough for this conversation, big ups to him. Ugh i cant stand feminist or incels but women and men's rights im down with.
yo le tabarnak au debut 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ma dead bro👌
Girl: why do you need a mens rights group?
Also girl: you’re being dismissive
Before someone explained it to me I thought it meant being anti femenist, just answer the question in a respectful way. Just like everyone should do when arguing for their cause.
@@elincarlsson6388 Basically trying to fix men issues. Like the idea that sexual assault towards men is lesser and or not important.
@@jorddalord5400 right
Kursat was great very good points backed by FACTS not feelings
Isn’t that the aim though. She’s not gonna talk about someone she knows nothing about or hasn’t experienced. It’s normal that she is gonna bring her experience into the mix cause that’s what made her a feminist
She gets mad at them for 'dismissing' her experiences yet dismissed everything valid they said.
"How dare you tell another human being their experiences aren't valid" while invalidating everything these male human beings have to say.
Somebody finally said it
Hypocrisy at its finest
SteviiLove this is why real men don’t argue with women, it’s a waste of time and energy, because there’s no point getting an intelligent debate with a women. I’m not talking about all women but in general. There’s some women are willing to have an intelligent debate with a man.
OMG thank you!!! I was going to come make the same comment!
Bro, they tried to invalidate statistics, it’s a fucking crock of shit. Those feminists were so rude and disrespectful and just shouting over men, it was disgusting, and they should’ve been called out on it.
OMG “give me the doll” I’m DEAD!!! 😂😂😂