Core 2 Quad Windows 98 3Dfx Voodoo 2 Retro Gaming PC
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I know I keep saying this, but man, I need to build one of these and have it set up permanently. Late 90s, early 2000s are the absolute golden-age of PC gaming, IMO.
amen
Windows 98 can only make use of 1 CPU/core/thread channel, however 1 core, 1 thread from that CPU will still easily surpass anything it would have run on originally.
This would make a great multi-boot system. Win98 may only see the first CPU pipeline and PCI slots but Win XP will see all pipelines and the PCI-E slot.
Thanks for the tip on 3Dfx tweeker.
Also, “olden goldies,” Phil? Love it! 😄
@@camthesaxman3387 yeh, PIII was significantly more efficient with a much shorter instruction pipeline. P4 did improve over it’s many iterations but PIII was a great starting point for developing the Core series.
How can you dislike this video?! Phil's giving you nothing but possibilities to keep Windows 98 gaming alive!
becuz ppl are stupid and haters gonna hate
@@snowsaysahhh3037 I disagree, pentium 4 with an i865 chipset is cheaper than any core2quad build, the only thing stupid is use a SMP CPU on a OS that don't support SMP, and pay more for that(at least where i live pentium 4 builds can be done with equivalent to US$50. while it is possible to drop US$25 on a Core2Quad(just the cpu).
Edit: i'm not against using s775 builds for windows 98, but using a Core2Quad ? i'm pretty sure that pentium d and socket 775 pentium 4 will save you a LOT of money for a windows 98 build.
I remember the horror stories i could tell of trying to slog through with Windows 98 exceptionally well. And at least in my experience, XP with service pack 3 has enough DOS compatibility to overcome for any such older games that I actively care about.
@@rpeetz Pentium 4 is actually kinda dumb for that build. P4's heat up too much, have a really low ipc and are in general uneficcient.
Its way better to get a early core2duo at around 1.6-2.4ghz or even a coresolo wich has only a single core.
@@eduardoavila646 As phil has mentioned in the video, you could just get a single-core celeron for that purpose. For me personally,something like this would make a good dual boot system with win98 and winXP. I had done something similar with a socket 939 Athlon X2 4200+ and it worked fine, the only issue i had was the agp radeon x1950 that had no drivers for win98. I just wanted to see my Voodoo 2 in action again and for that it was just fine. I will try it again with my core2duo a ati rage 2 and voodoo2 combination i have laying around.
Next Video: Windows 98 on Intel i9 9980xe with 3dfx Voodoo. :D
It has to be a Voodoo Rush card.
Voodo banshee
How about Windows 95 with a S3 Virge 325 graphics card.
**insert the m.bison yes!! Gif or video clip here**
That CPU will bottleneck the Voodoo ;)
Man your videos are so informative and entertaining! I love these projects and I look forward to them! :)
As always, an awesome build. I love how many options we have for retro games!
the single celeron is a very interesting option!
Love ur content m8, keep it up
This video has been very useful and informative!! Thanks for making this vid
That’s a very cool build. Makes me glad I saved my last two Core 2 motherboards. I may put one of these together sometime soon.
Nice setup, you're awesome
Came here from EposVox's channel - I had this VooDoo card lol. Awesome work!
Who would've thought all those old computers I had, gutted and eventually tossed would have been worth something in the coming decades. Then again, they probably wouldn't have been worth as much if I hadn't tossed them. I'm glade I'm saving my first computer my dad and me built together. It was a 2.8Ghz Northwood P4, 512MB RAM and an ATI 9700 All in Wonder. It was all put into a silver aluminum Lian Li case. That damn blue power on LED was so bright! I got the motherboard, RAM and CPU from a company called Monarch Computer because they'd do a burn in test for you. I eventually upgraded to 1GB in the last few years when I rescued an old Gateway desktop out of a dumpster. Man, all that seems like forever ago.
I have Lian Li case too, black one. I've unplugged cable for blue LED it's best what you can do. And I've dimmed the red one too, with bit of black plastic tape.
Excellent video as always; fantastic stuff! Such a neat and practical idea. I will absolutely go about building something like this to take the place of my current pentium iii system (the ease of using a sata ssd is too tempting) once I get my hands on a pci voodoo card.
Fantastic video as always. Vintage parts are getting so expensive now I'm glad I started getting into it 3-4 years back when it was reasonable.
This is a great option if your retro build dies and you don't want to spend a fortune fixing it or you're just getting into retro gaming
There was a tool called fanspeed (NOT speedfan) for win98 that would ship with a driver called vhaltd.vxd, which basically makes the CPU halt whenever it was not under load. Made especially more modern CPUs run much cooler when idle.
There were a few of these software that made use of the HALT instruction on the CPU to cool it down, especially during file transfers. A few of them: cpuidle, rain, VCool, ...
Looks amazing! Great job!
Man out standing work here!
good work! I wish you 100k subscriptions :)
Hi you inspired me to build my first pc
me either especially on 771 to 775 modification XD
That CPU is better than the one I have on my main PC
Lol same
Great video to run 98 with newer hardware. Socket 775 parts are still a good way to build a system on a budget. Thanks Phil
I need your bootloader advice for msdos windows 95 and 98 boot. Anyway i love yout work.
Nice work Phil! Awesome video! One thing of note, it detects it as a Pentium III cause that's the highest processor Windows 98 probably knows or that the processor responded to based 98's CPUID queries.
Great project, we are looking forward to build our own retro gaming pc soon as want to play some 3dfx MMX games
Interesting project! :)
This is amazing. And to think, i have had a few HP SFF Pc's with core2duos in them just sitting there doing nothing. I have a few PCI low profile Geforce 2 cards that will fit nice into the case. They now have a new lease on life as Windows 98/ME gaming machines, thats assuming the install goes well without any hiccups.
Everything was great. It reminded me on the old NVidia control panel from my youth age. Only one thing: windows 2000 may be worth of considering. Bravo!
Really good project.I personally would like to see how voodoo 3 stack up in older games as that was one of my favorite cards back in the day.
Steam had the entire unreal collection selling for less than a tenner a while back I had to grab it. Unreal Gold, Unreal 2, Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament 2004 and Unreal Tournament 3, all of them run under windows 10 on modern hardware.
Yeah, but you have to get around the wacky mouse controls on ut99.. search Google or duckduckgo for it
Unreal, one of my firs and favorite games. Also check the expansions "return to napali" etc... I still have my Voodoo 2 card on the schelf from back in the time. Its like an ornament, a piece of history, a fossil
It is indeed a great game! I trid playing it properly on Voodoo 3 a while ago, didn't get far, found it very difficult, even on easy :P Guess I'm spoilt by modern games.
such a nice video phil, now i have hope xD, i was searching for expensive old parts, never find what i really need or want, now while im watching u im also watching my lga755 dual core or core 2 duo with ddr2 and no agp port that i have here. Time to save some money
Hi Phil, great video as always thanks. What I would like to see further is if you could put the 750 ti in there and create a win 98/ XP dual boot retro machine.
This is fantastic :O
More this is good stuff thanks
Hi Phil, Many thanks for this vid. Like many have said, it as inspired me to build my own Retro PC. I was wondering if you could provide some advice? In the absence of being able to get my hands on a GA-P43T Motherboard, is there another board that you could recommend that has the same features? Mainly downclocking and PCI ports as I have 2 x Voodoo2s that I would like to use along with the sound card and video card. Many thanks.
I remember I had a Pentium 2 450Mhz, 128Mb of ram I think, Intel board, Creative SB Live!, AGP Creative Riva TNT 2 Ultra 32Mb & PCI Diamond 3DFX VooDoo 2 12Mb. I remember my score with the TNT2 Ultra was about 1600 3D Marks in 3DMark 2000. So 8323 points in 3DMark 2000 would be unreal in those days! Really fun build you made for this video!
I habe also an PC working with w98 in a voodoo2 with a geforce . From where die you habe the inofficial service pack 3?
You know your craft Phil !
I got a old Pentium 3 desktop and I'm never selling it. It's the last tangible thing I have from my childhood.
This is quite interesting. It just gave new meaning to my old C2D setup I have in the attic! That CPU though - still can't get over how it went from 1.86GHz to over 3GHz on day one and carried on working flawlessly for nearly 6 years :) (Intel E6320)
I have a nvidia 7950gx2 and my core 2 quad with a Asus p5e3 deluxe(first motherboard and cpu I purchased, they were used but it was my first complete build buying all the components)
I wonder if I could throw something together.
I'm new to the 3dfx atm I have a agp radeon 9800 pro and a pci voodoo 3 2000. I am disabling the driver profile for one card and switching the bios from agp to pci or vice versa. I can run these at the same time? Or is that a voodoo 2 capability only?
Arent there some retro games that dont like Direct X 7 installed ? I got my win 98 partition still on direct x 6.1 , while truing to figure it out , bdw , why SB16 emulation had problems ?
Also, I remember having certain sound card some 19 years ago, that stoped working the moment I installed Direct x 8 , and finding later on that there is no new drivers for that card, and had to buy some cheap creative labs card tha support the newer direct X , bdw, I heard that Direct x 9.0 c disable lots of hardware sound acceleration , do you know something about that ?
Great work Phil. Please go for a Voodoo 2 SLI setup. Do you have a original VGA cable to use the Voodoo card as 3D GPU on the same monitor?
I wanted to do something like that with my voodoo 4 4500. I'm curious how the GPU setup works. Does it matter which GPU you plug your monitor into? I wanted to use my 3dfx for ice wind dale and other D&D games but need NVIDIA for final fantasy 11. How do you make the system use the card you want?
Ohh thanks Phil for giving us so many options! The ASRock 775 with PCI and AGP would be a good option right? It would be possible to run DOS games in such a system or the way those PCI are handled limit somehow the way old sound card and VGA worked?
If you have AGP, of course this is much better!
is it possible to use a PCI to ISA riser in a system like this so one could use Awe32?
I always loved win98, win xp, win7 and good old 775, some technology bits and pieces are just timeless. 775+win98 setup? definitely yes, thank you Phil, another great video
Wait, could you run a voodoo2 on a pci slot like this on xp passing a gtx750 through it using a dvi-to-vga cable, with the same results?
i have a motherboard with a pentium 3 and intergrated voodoo 2 graphics on the motherboard. will that be good for windows 98 gaming? and with 256mb ram or should i get more?
Gr8 video mate! I've personally got a HP DC5800 and they have drivers for windows 2000. Pretty cool in my opinion as I got it for free from a school.
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Very cool. That said, I'm on the verge of hopefully having a board for a socket a build for a 400fsb xp 3200+. Even so, Windows XP is the oldest i think I would stick with for bare metal, unless by some miracle i can get myself a working 3dfx card.
Very exciting, this inspired me to reassemble my old Core i5-2500 PC.
Worst case scenario i got the spare lan party PC i planned to build anyway.
Best case scenaro the YMF744 will work in it as well as Windows 98 and ill be able to slow it down enough for DOS Gaming.
In a best case scenario ill buy a second PCI GPU for Windows 98 gaming for that machine and see if i can make it the ultimate timemachine. Because one system that can do MS-DOS all the way up to Windows 10 gaming on low/medium would be the ultimate dream PC of mine.
I assume the likelyness it will work and play nice to be quite low, but given i have the parts anyway and its a fun hobby it won't hurt to give it a go.
I like the 775i65G with an AGP card better. Which do you prefer?
What's the model number of that Samsung(?) monitor? Looks like it does 4:3 nicely.
Just bought my first 3DFx. A Voodoo 5500 AGP version. I have one question: Can I plug it in AGP 8x. Motherboard os GA-7VT600 Triton. From what I remember AGP has this voltages you would need to be careful. What better place to ask than here with the experts used to it.
Clever idea just using the PCI slots. Really frees up your choice of motherboards.
is w98 even multithread aware? i remember w2k being able to see 4 cores, but im not so sure about 98
Socket A around here is still rather hard to find. I got one that is doing alright one that needs some caps replaced on the motherboard near the power connector. Both boot the latter just tends to hardlock eventually sooner the more you push it.
I think outside emulation my Pentium 4 system will be enough and it has plenty of cheap parts so I can keep my rarer stuff boxed up. I do have to thank you every time that I am commenting to you and mentioning that Pentium 4 you and a few other people walked me through getting it to cooperate. It is a cheap dell that does not support win9x out the box, but can be coaxed into it.
Thank you for protecting my treasures and allowing me to retro game still.
this guy lives 10+ years in the past and i love it.
Hey Phil! I really want to get windows 98 installed on my Dell XPS 720. Its socket 775 but I keep getting bluescreens during install. Any advice?
Too modern of a machine for Windows 98 I feel. The machine might be better suited for Windows XP? With 775 and PCIe and Windows 98, great care is required as to what parts you use. It's explained a bit in this video :)
I love old operating systems running on newer hardware.
Phil, is it possible to use the PCI-E slot for main GPU @ Win10, and the PCI slot for main GPU @Win98. It might need to be changed in Bios (*default graphics adapter) ? I'm wondering if you have tried it. I have never. I don't have a PCI video card. (besides the one I use in my Pentium 133 system)
If that's the case, it is possible to have a Win98(*+DOS"), WinXP and Win10 system - all 3(*4) in one :)
Nah I'm not much into multi OS systems, just not that interesting to me :D
Hi All
I though i was going well with Win98 running SMOOTHLY on a Pentium 2 and connecting to most of my XP / Win7 / Win10 machines via cat 5.
Well done Phil
Regards
George
The raytracing looks awesome 😍
3DFX ON
@PhilsComputerLab -- It is not confused - the entire CORE /Core 2 line of CPU's are build from the ashes of PENTIUM 3 TUALATIN ....
There were huge roars around the interwebz when GTA IV came out back in 2008 - initially the game read Core 2 DUO/QUADs as P III XEONs
The entire Core 2/Core solo/Core 2 quad/CORE -i lineup is Family 6 - for comparison NET BURST is Family 15 and this family has never been heard again since it was discontinued about 13-14 years ago .
Family 6 of Intel CPUs hails all the way back to 1995-1996 - if I remember correctly it started with Pentium PRO
how do you not need the chipset drivers, please explain?
This system should run nglide right without the voodoo card? I wonder what kind of performance you would get compared to the Voodoo 2.
Im still rocking Xeon X5460 8GB DDR3 and GTX 960. Can play almost every game.. 💖💖💖
Hey Guays.
Hey Phil. You know whats up Phil?
Whats up Guays?
Thumb up Phil. Thumbs up.
Wussup :v
Hey Phil, I'm sorry to bother you so much lately but you seem to be the expert on 98 gaming in the here and now. When you say you pull your ssd to connect to modern PC to copy games and benchmarks, are you copying ISO files then mounting them in Win 98 to install them? Do you have a way to make games portable? Right now I'm installing stuff from CDs on my 98 machine and it's taking forever. Then I'll change something and I'll reinstall windows and have to start from scratch! Hoping to cut the time down
CD images and mounting them works well. I use portable installations, just copying game folder, but doesn't work for all games.
Olden Goldies ftw!
I hear that using a fast cpu helps the voodoo2 out perform the geforce 256 and geforce 2. Is that true? Maybe it's a video worth doing.
Well, only in Final Fantasy VII and only after you resurrect Aeris.
man ! that's win98 starting music
Uncanny! I'm working on a socket 775 Windows 98 build (Pentium 4 3Ghz) with a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 (SB0100), Geforce 6200, and 128GB SSD. I have to admit it's not completely coincidence, as it has been influenced by your videos.
Maybe I should make a video of it. It's a Micro-ATX build.
Use a 1GB SSHD instead, W98 cannot trim on an SSD, but it is handled by hardware on SSHDs.
What resources are you freeing up by turning off USB? Does this computer not have more than enough?
Hey Phil, how does the FX5500 compare to AGP Geforce cards? Is it powerful enough for higher resolution nGlide? What - - if any -- AGP card does it compare to?
And here I am building a lil Core 2 Quad with a 750ti and SSDs. You got the right idea here
LOL
Cool pumped retro stuff, try to reshade some old games like Quake 3, Unreal 2 or AVP Redux to run on this system - interesting to see results.
Is it possible to use a Voodoo1 3dfx card in dosbox/Win98 environment?
lol impressive. now I'm curious if something as modern as the athlon 200ge on the AM4 patform would work.
Sweet!
Where Can I find the win98 service packs 3? thanks
I was looking at those strange no name fx 5500's just the other day. What are they detected as in Windows? Are they the same as the fx 5500 sold at retail back in the day?
They are indeed strange :)
I'm very seriously considering buying one, if they aren't slower in any way than the reference cards. I'll even use the affil. link (I didn't even know there was such a thing as ebay affiliate links).
As always nice work Phil. Maybe for a future vid you could do a socket 939 w/AGP 4x or 8x and running 98 or XP.
I already did that :D Maybe it was 754 though, but yea, same concept.
PhilsComputerLab ok, then how about a vid on one of those mini ITX motherboards that has just one PCI slot. A lot of those have a weak CPU that may be soldered on and may only take up to 1GB or 2GB of ram? I don’t think I’ve seen many vids on boards like that.
Can't wait to get home and see how that voodoo scales up to oblivion when paired with that cpu.
Was not disappointed
DG Voodoo on xp and 7 seems to solve a lot of problems with glide games , Moto racer 2 works real well on 7 ultimate 64 , plus the widescreen and filter options help spruce the graphics up a lot on bigger screens
Someone on MSFN has Chipset INF packs for the 3 and 4 Series Intel Chipsets. SB16 emulation can be used under Windows 98 on these platforms, its just the usual Creative driver hassles to get them working (usually something else is grabbing IRQ 5).
I encountered the same problem with the SB16 Emulation device. It was an IRQ-relating thing. Had to specify them manually in the properties of the device and then voila, I had sound in DOS games ;-)
I was able to get a 7600 GS PCIe to run under 98 with a EVGA Nforce 610i with the unoffical nvidia drivers. Pretty solid
I still have a core2quad with its original Vista install. I need to triple boot it for win98, XP and Vista (maybe even windows 7/10) at some point!
What display are you using ?
WOW this is quite impressive Definitely have an open mind I typically run a dual booted pentium 4 for my windows 98 and windows XP games however for my slower windows 98 games I have a compact K6 For some of the older programs and games that I run into problems with on the dual booted Pentium 4. This video Definitely gives me some ideas LOL.😎🍻👍
could this be done with a radeon x1300se PCI Card or would that be too new for 98se? I have a SoundBlaster Live so sound is sorted but I think the only PCI card I have is the X1300se
If there are Windows 98 drivers, you should be set!
@@philscomputerlab Thanks will check this out
I love the back to back videos of XP on Haswell, and 98 on Core2Quad, Although I was quite aware of such possibilites, I think this is really opening up people's eyes to see successful projects like that.
Regarding DOS sound compatibility, would you say that the Aureal Vortex would be a better choice than the later Soundblaster cards?
I'm always on the fence on that kind of build, to go with an Audigy 2 for the best 98 multichannel EAX sound, or to go with the Vortex 2 or YMF744, with some basic DOS compatibility and even a wavetable header on some cards...
Yea every option has pros and cons. I think the first thing I want to look at is getting basic FM support. I think that should work pretty easily. Sound Blaster compatibility is much more difficult, the Vortex 2 is pretty high up there in terms of compatibility.
PHIL: great video as always.
Question to all. any way to Force a native, non stretched 16:9 resolution on a voodoo card? like Voodoo3 1280x720 or 960x540?
Edited to change 19:9 to 16:9 Oops
I remember reading that it's possible with Voodoo 3 at least by editing some files. But I would just enjoy the proper 4:3 aspect ratio, it looks great and retro :D
i just Bought a Dell XPS 630i chassy / psu, waiting for its original motherboard with a Core 2 Quad, and trying to fix a weird 9800 GX2 mid 2000 gaming will be a blast!
this is very encouraging because I have several Socket 775 motherboards and I even have an AMD machine with integrated GeForce 6200 GPU on the motherboard, I would love to get something working with that AMD system but every time I've tried vanilla Win98 SE I run into problems on everything I own except an old Celeron 500Mhz machine that I only have 32MB of ram for...
Integrated 6200? Hmm this is very interesting.
Well done! By the way, I have a question on what is the best to run the motherboard? It can be a devious desk or do I have to secure it properly?
Well, it should go inside a case really :D
@@philscomputerlab
Thx! xD