When Sugar Ray Robinson Met His Most Powerful Opponent
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- Welcome back to Boxing After Dark. In today's video, we travel all the way back to 1952. The contrasting styles of Robinson's finesse and Graziano's toughness captured the imagination of boxing fans, making it a highly anticipated and talked-about matchup
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There’s a reason you so often see journalists and historians having Sugar Ray Robinson as the number 1 p4p fighter of all time, and knowing that he’d have fights like this monthly against world champions proves his greatness! Great video, keep em coming!
Burton Sugar said Sugar Ray could fight 15 rnds and his hair was the same as when he started the GOAT
Imagine the wear and tear Ray already had on his body at this point. He had close to 100 amateur fights and over 130 professional fights at this point in his career. His career was already nearly triple the length of a lot of modern day fighters.
It is a lot, but it actually not much different than modern fighters than you might actually think.
The fighters in the olden days fights multiple times a month, and even Jack Johnson fought many times on a single day. That said, they also don't get to spar a lot, which actually one if not the biggest reason of a fighter's wear and tear. It is often for a fighter to get injured on camp during training and most fighters are never 100% on fight night. The closest modern example you can compare the situation before, are the Muay Thai fighters of today. It's common for MT fighters at age of 20 or so to have as many as 200+ pro fights, and they fight often. However, they have refrained themselves from going hard on sparring to preserve longevity.
Sugar Ray Robinson is the GOAT. i heard his prime was never filmed. He really is beautiful to watch.
Most of his if not all of his welterweight campaign is not on film or lost...
Omg you can see Robinson's punches combined with speed & power so smoothly landed right in between Graziano's punches so difficult but from his ability so smoothly & persists. Man he was so good 🥊
Sugar Ray Robinson, indeed the GOAT 🐐
Nah! Charlie Z is the GOAT 🐐! Just ask him. He'll tell ya!
Absolutely ! Sugar Ray was the GOAT!
Ali said he was the greatest, that’s good enough for me
@@davidharrison3399 middle weight! They do have different weight classes! Remember?
@@BroJiden It's amazing, Even the great Sugar Ray didn't dare challenge Joe Louis. Charlie Z got in the ring with the extremely dangerous Wilder, and was so frustrated he couldnt knock him out he tried hitting a down fighter and was DQ'd.
Robinson was pure poetry.
Graziano was a rough guy, Sugar Ray is simply brilliant and more.....One of the GOATS.
Sugar was the goat man, what a fighter
What made Robinson the best of all time was not just his abundant boxing skills, but the fact that he was such a brilliant strategist and true warrior in the ring. He could out box the boxer, and out punch the puncher. A loss didn't make him doubt his own abilities or destroy his confidence (as it does with so many other fighters ) -- it made him come back even stronger and more determined than before. He's a legend.
They mentioned the film about how they couldn't believe Sugar Ray could so much power in short distance punches.
I've noticed it in modern boxing , a short rip will give you hell ..since the power doesn't fade as it's so close ..I think it's a very underrated punch imo
Sugar was a gentleman
Robinson was not only a great fighter who do do it all, he looked good doing it. He looked so good that it almost seemed like he choreographed all his fights with his opponents prior to the fight! Marciano, Louis, Frazier, Foreman looked off balance sometimes. Only the young Ali looked as good moving in the ring as Robinson did.
Sugar Ray Robinson, es el mejor peleador de todos los tiempos 👍👑🥇🥊🥊💯
I can watch this channel all day. Amazing work.
I remember Graziano in TV commercials for local NY businesses back in the 60’s and 70’s!
Much respect from your Latino Brethren out here in AriZona. Your excellent work is appreciated.
hispano sounds better
@@joederocco9321 why you from mother spain...
italian @@emiliomarengo
Idk if yall got the license to this footage or just risked it but either way thank you for the effort/bravery regardless. I wish more of the ATG fighters were shown before color TV so here’s to hoping the video does well enough to warrant more like it
They both costarred in an episode of Car 54 Where Are You? Definitely worth looking for here on youtube.
Make sure whoever is reading this to buy the book Sugar Ray. Its a must have for boxing fans..
More videos of the two sugars please, one of the greatest channels 🎉🎉
Great video. Thank you so much for entertaining us with your videos. ❤
they had more class and were still more savage than fighters today
Who's that narrator who sounds like Rod Serling. How emotional! IMO, Carmen Basilio was the best.
Really well done documentary. I subbed. 💪🏽
Great video mate 👊🏻
❤ Beautiful Sugar, ray Robinson. was the man.🥊
Amazing videos keep it up❤
Sweet as sugar, fast as the wind, and strikes like lightning: Ray Robinson, is indisputably, the greatest who ever did it...
Randy Turpin was Britain’s first Black champ in any sport!!
He suffered from mental illness in later life.
Go see his statue in Warwick,England.
Wow! Rocky G! .😊😊😊😊😊
Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter ever
One of the greatest! Loved watching him fight!
Great video
Randy turpin has to be one of his hardest fights even in the second fight he was behind on the scorecards r i p
Who was behind? In his autobiography Robinson says he was ahead but not in control when a head clash caused Robinsons eyebrow to split.
l liked Randolf Turpin ..good boxer ..no mistake
Turpin had a really unusual style, all reflexes and off-rhythm movement, which can throw fighters off.
Graziano invented the superman punch,
Todays once a year fighter doesn't cut it.
There so much more money in it these days eg Alvarez strictly twice a year
Graziano was a tough customer, but LaMotta was his most powerful opponent.
IF Ali was "the Greatest," then Ray was the Ultimate and with no equal [certainly none better]..
I would say Ali modelled himself after Ray Robinson to a degree
Welterweight Robinson = GOAT.
Graziano avoided Jake Lamata like the plaque! He didn't want to get his ass kicked!
In the ring? No, he and LaMotta grew up in the same neighborhood and knew each other. Graziano used to avoid him as LaMotta had a reputation for being a bit crazy.
Rock kicked his ass in reform school lol he had big head easy target no ko power
P4P champ and a good guy.
Admired and respected Robinson, he truly was one of the very best p4p. If you asked me who the best pugalist of all was I'd have to say Guliermo Papaleo, aka "Wil o' the wisp", Willie Pep, hands down.
Great fighter, no doubt but Robinson was more complete and practically invincible through his prime years.
Robinsons best years were as a welterweight, and imo there was never a more complete fighter than Pep. In any case those two men have been studied by more fighters than anyone else, and for good reasons...
These thumbnails hilarious
I remember Muhammad Ali saying that the best pound for pound fighter was the one and only Sugar Ray Robinson.
Those were real fighters.The guys were tough and had more class
Wow!!! Que cartel impressionante tinha o Sugar Ray Robinson... um lutador histórico, sem sombra de dúvida!! Curto muito ver e conhecer um pouco sobre esses caras que contribuíram para a história do boxe mundial... obrigado pelo vídeo.
Putting Wilder in the same sentence as Inoue is a f-ing insult to Inoue. Wilder isn't remotely the same quality of fighter knockout ability as Inoue.
Sugar Ray Robinson was the best
Arguably
Jake LaMatta was Surgar Ray Robinson's toughest opponent, and Artie Lavin git him the hardest, according to Surgar Ray Robinson!
Jake LaMotta was Robinson's most powerful opponent.
Yeah, how can they say Graziano was the most powerful opponent? Not compared to LaMotta
Graziano was a legitimate big puncher. LaMotta was a harder, tougher fighter but not the puncher Graziano was.
@@johnniea4684 they were both well before my time. How do you reach that conclusion?
@@johnniea4684 Powerful is not the same as hardest puncher. LaMotta was physically stronger and took a much harder punch which by my definition means he was more powerful.
@@nyobunknown6983 I understand your meaning now and yes, I agree.
It is so hard to compare modern fighters to previous guys; especially going way back to the 40s and 50s.
The further back you go the more guys fought. The $ was so little that they often fought on extremely short notice, e.g. sonetimes 3 or 4 times in a month.
Today guys may fight that many times only at the start of their careers. As a contender or champ, big stars fight 1 or 2 times a year as they make huge $.
Their careers seldom reach 40 fights compared to way over 100 for prior eras which meant little recovery time and lots more wear and tear.
Floyd e g. says he is much better than Ali and SRR at 38 than those but he forgets to add, shorter fights, and way less fights; plus fights get stopped way faster today.
Modern boxing doesn't compare to back then tbh. There were far more active fighters, those fighters were much tougher, the number of weight divisions available far less and guys today who have held multiple versions of world titles may have only gotten one shot at a champion, or maybe none at all. The last great era for boxing imo was the 1980s and 1990s.
I thought Jake lamotta was devistating
Obo Olson? Wtf? It truly sucks when someone tries to inform others but doesn't even know their name!
Robinson was at his best at 147...he also fought lamotta 3 times in 3 weeks as well as had another fight between. The greatest left hook of all time....but as I said he was absolutely at his best at 147..I don't know if he beats hagler at 160...if he fights him at 147 although it sounds nuts he wins even with weight difference ..but by point he steps up to middle I don't know..he's older n slower n does have tough fights at 160..so it's a lot better n closer than most of his fights..
I agree that he was unbeatable at 147; 154 too if light-middle had been around.
The only man worthy of the name GOAT.
Robinson vs Leonard, I'll take yhe second sugar ray, every day!!
You're kidding, right?
Obo Olson?
Cmon man
I quit watching when I heard that.
@@8House me too
Carl "Bobo" Olson
Best P4P in boxing history. Even Ali admitted Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time.
Muhammad Ali - "To me, in his time, and even today, the pound for pound, when they say 'Sugar' Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter pound for pound, meaning that if I'd imagine he was a heavyweight fighting the same style, he'd be the greatest. I would have to admit, I would have to say yes, Robinson is the greatest of all time."
"I have his fight films, I watched them then, you have them. That man was beautiful. Timing, speed, reflexes, rhythm, his body. Everything was beautiful. And to me, still, I would say pound-for-pound I would say I'm the greatest heavyweight of all time, but pound-for-pound I still say 'Sugar' Ray Robinson was the greatest of all time."
Pretty sure sugar ray leonard whips sugar ray robinson
Robinson lost the world title 4 times and some of those fighters that beat him were absolutely rubbish ….basillio , pender and Ortiz were atrocious…yeah on his day when he was up mentally for a fight he was brilliant and Turpin really was a excellent fighter but him losing shows a mental deficiency that king Marvin never suffered from …..Marvin was always mentally up for a fight ….
Robinson retired for about 30 months after collapsing in his light-heavy challenge of Joey Maxim. Post comeback he was still a great fighter, but not quite what he had been, much like Ali in the 1970s. When he lost to Basilio he was 36, 4 years older than Hagler was when he hung the gloves up. He was 39 when he lost what is widely considered a bad decision to Pender in the latter's hometown of Boston. By that point he'd had only about 90 more professional fights than Marvin.
How was Basilio rubbish? I don't know anyone with any serious knowledge of boxing history who would say that. The man was in 4 consecutive Ring Magazine fights of the year, from 1955-58, winning 3 of them. Pender wasn't a great fighter (unlike Basilio), but was certainly decent. I don't know who Ortiz is. Turpin was a talent but he wasn't in Basilio's class. The loss to Turpin was a shock but Robinson was far too casual, this defence of his title being part of his European tour, during which he was treated like a film star. He'd fought in Italy only 9 days before meeting Turpin and had fought in Germany a week before that. Reports from the time say that Robinson was not training, but playing golf during the day and cards in the evening. He was a 92-fight unbeaten streak going back over 8 years and was overconfident. He obviously took Turpin, who was an unknown in America lightly.
Finally, that you'd suggest Robinson was in any way weak mentally is frankly a laughable statement, which you should be embarrassed to make. Hagler was a great middleweight champion - one of the best - but Robinson was a level above. He had everything Hagler had, plus more athletic talent.
Did he die broke like most black athletes especially from his era did,because most or every dime of their money was stolen by all the wyt peoples around them.
"extra 2 lbs on him" lol