Shadow Systems Foundation - Review - MR920, DR920, XR920
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:26 Overview
2:28 What makes a Foundation series?
4:17 Initial Impressions
8:55 Deeper Dive
10:13 Shooting Impressions
11:28 Negatives
16:04 Final Thoughts
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Shadow Systems probably felt they also needed to come up with something to better compete with the PSA Dagger, the AREX Delta, etc, and not just undercut the vanilla G19/G17/G45 models from Glock. Foundation also gives them an "out" to start selling just slides without devaluing their Elite or Combat line of complete handguns.
The Foundation Series, I've found, is at just about the same price point as the Glock MOS and PDPs. With the Foundation Series though, the sights are not plastic and the optic doesn't need an adapter plate so it puts SS out in front!
Totally agree, but I still choose the Glock for IWB duty.
The plus over the MOS is that the optic sits lower, the internals are redesigned and the screw have more material to dig into.
And the ergonomics are better on the SS. The gun is narrower which feels way better in the hand.
I like the way you break your reviews into sections, pros and cons. Very helpful.
Was glad you reviewed this. I am considering getting this. Also,glad
I saw someone shooting with one hand. Always good to practice this.
Awesome video David!! Love the way you break down the pistol!!Looking forward to your next video!!!
I’ve had two SS guns; the MR920 and DR920. Roughly 5K between the two (mostly in the MR) and zero issues. Didn’t even have issues in the break in period, save two failures to go into battery which were resolved w ease and never happened again, both in the first 50 rounds. Good guns. I prefer the triggers on the GEN5 Glocks, but the optics mounting system is superb.
Have owned an MR920 for almost a year. Great shooting and carry gun. Totally reliable with all different kinds of ammunition, light weight and very accurate. Sold 2 Glocks and only kept my G20 woods gun.
Great rundown. I have a "combat" MR920, threaded barrel & optic cut. Love it! Glad they have a full range of size & feature options. I only "needed" the optic cut, so would prob get a Foundation model and save the extra money for optic.
Sold on it! I'll get me one 😎 Thanks for the lineup assessment / presentation, David 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I’ve been waiting to hear Humble’s thoughts on this one. Looking forward to watching it
Thanks for this review... I was jus' lookin' for these yesterday.. Very much appreciated Dave.✌🏽✌🏽👍👍👌👌
After test firing an MR920 at Texas Gun Experience last year, I was bitten. I determined that if Gen6 Glocks weren’t blatant rip offs of Shadow Systems, I would simply treat the latter as Gen6 and purchase accordingly. Well at the beginning of June 2022, after having been on the Glock platform since 1999, I purged ALL of the Austrian guns, and used the proceeds to purchase all Shadow Systems guns with zero regret!😎✌️
Thanks again brother , I loved the Bevis and Buthead comment for “The Great Tangfoli”
I love my MR long slide and carry the CR920! Not a single failure on either one!
Great video. I appreciate the breakdown in features and prices. I am interested in the MR920 Elite but I will consider other options.
Shot the MR920 this weekend and now I want one
I bought MR920L and XR920 so I could have 4 configs with 2 Pistols . Super glad I did . I actually sold off all my Glocks .
I run XR920 Lower and MR920L Upper to essentially make DR920 . I use it as my back up to my X5 LEGION in 2Gun
I have the XR 920 and was thinking of buying the MR 920 but wasn't sure that actually works
Last year I got a mr920 combat with the optic cut on sale for $700.00. It's has become my EDC gun very impressed with Shadow systems. In my brake in period I never had a hang up or malfunction and still haven't thousands of rounds latter.
Loved your performance in "The Accountant"!!
This is what I wanted when I first bought my MR920.
I went to every gun store in town until I found the one model they made without the speed holes in the slide.
How many gun stores in that town?
I've had multiple and nothing but issues. Multiple barrel chipping, striker breaking and frame cracking. Not to mention reliability issues. Glad I got rid of them. To each their own. 👍
Had a CR920. Took 1 range trip multiple issues. Break in periods for guns are a joke. Not worth my money. Sold it for a Glock. Stay with ole reliable Glock my friends. Not high dollar clones of the best gun on Earth
@@stephandelaney4097 Glocks fail too bud
Got any proof of that
I completely zoned out on the review as soon as that banger synth music kicked in.
Mine didn’t have a discernible break in period. Worked great from day one and it’s my most accurate shot. Just my small sample positive review. 😊
I've been wanting to trade in my Gen 5 Glock for a MR 920 or CR920 for a while now. There are other priorities right now in my life like a house and paying off debt. I have enough tools to protect my family and myself for right now, but I will definitely be adding to and upgrading my EDC in the future.
As always..great video
I have the Xr 920 Elite and am 5'6 and it is a little harder to conceal but with long fingers fits like a glove and after a 150 rounds the trigger is amazing and is my go to carry
At your height, the MR920 would be easier to conceal with less printing with the shorter grip length.
I have a Frankenstein MR918/20. Traded a watch for a 918 frame with an Overwatch trigger assembly installed, then got lucky picked up a complete 920 slide assembly on eBay for $275! Dumped the Ghost connector for an OEM dot connector added a NY trigger return spring, NDZ guide rod, running an OEM Gen 4 barrel. 1500 rounds so far so good, comfortable carrying as a defensive weapon. Points as well as a Walther P99 or a bit better.
I have a MR920, and a MR920L and love them both. For striker fired they are everything I want without having to modify the gun like I had to with Glocks. However my 2011 is definitely a better gun. Shadow system may put Glock out of business in America.
Using the Magpul mags I noticed the round not going into battery when i rack the slide.
When I used a glock mag I had no issues.
Now I only use glock 17 mags with my shadow systems DR920.
No break in period for my Canik Combat Executive or Walther PDP. 1,500 rds of cheap reman through my canik zero malfunctions. Considering a blem dagger still think for the money its by far the best Gen 3 glock clone
crushed that AD READ. this is the BDE we came to see!
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Been the proud owner of a vedder holster since like 2012/2013.
I really hope the pressure from Sig, Shadow Systems, and others force Glock to innovate or update.
Yeb
Glock has added and deleted finger grooves over 40 years they wont innovate shit
Sig and Shadow have bad reliability issues. Glock doesn’t need to compete with that.
@@scobun what reliability issues are you referring to concerning the Shadow Systems guns?
@izaiah9241 You will probably never get a reasonable answer, as he can't provide one, of those 10 if not hundreds of reviews you will find on the SS platforms you won't find any reliability issues. The person you were replying too was simply talking out his ass.
My MR920 came super tight. The lock up is the tightest I’ve ever seen. The lock up on my DP920 is actually the loosest glock type I’ve ever seen. As for the break in. My MR920 came good to go. No issues loading or with battery issues. My DP920 had some issues and still kinda does with the battery hang up when loading. And it’s loose. It’s got about 800 rounds through it now. 🤷🏿♂️
Also. I love the MR grip. I’ve got medium sized hands. The grip fits me like a glove and like you said, the pinky grove helps my hand lock in. If your hands are like mine but you want to shoot a longer slide I think the have a MR920L or you can use your DP slide on your MR grip for the best of both worlds.
Great video!! I'm getting my 2nd gun (1st is a Sig xmacro) and wanted something that could flex from home defense but also use in competition and was wondering if you could make any recommendations on what guns you would recommend. Thanks for any help
Chick fil a comment spoke to the deepest parts of my soul and had to give th like and sub
My CR920 Combat runs like a sewing machine after the first 100 rounds. Had 2 stove pipes and that was it. I have 300 rounds now. Only had it two weeks and I need a holster so I can start carrying it.
Ha Ha we don't have Chick Fil A where we live. I hadn't even heard of them until I visited Texas.
Hot take: Shadow Systems would be better off putting front slide serrations on the top of the slide, much like the 920 Elite, and just doing without the side front slide serrations. Okay, maybe not, but god I love top front slide serrations.
To the Humble Marksman, what lube was that you’re using. It looks slightly thicker than CLP and I’m intrigued.
You are definitely one my favorite gun reviewer and I will continue to watch as long as you don’t compare your Bugatti to the 2011/1911 pistols you are reviewing or compare a grip to some um you know 🐈 😂
good job keep it up 👍
Good video I have watched it several times. I just bought a DR920P-B-EOD-SCB-SENP. I don't know what all that means. I haven't had any problems at all with it's performance. To start with the trigger. It has to be the worst trigger I have ever used. My daisy BB gun is just as good. The green front sight is good as long as you have light behind you. But if the light is coming at you from the front I can't see it at all. I would like a fiber optic. I have bought 2 Holosun one red one green. And if you happen to touch the mussel brake the pin falls out. The manual says to make sure that the RED o ring is in. I got white ones with mine. That is my story.
I've been looking at getting a MR920 but I would like to get my hands on one to a feel the grip on it. I have a G17 and a Sig P320 and prefer the grip of a 320. I'm fine shooting the G17 but the G17 grip feels odd to me about it and I don't like it. Thank you for mentioning the backstraps and the detail around it.
After my experience with shadow systems I’d vote there is 0 justification in getting a Glock priced shadow systems. Just get a Glock gen 5 or a Walther PDP.
Off topic, can you do a video on the gear you use to film yourself practicing? I want to know affordable options
Good video. I’ll stick with my Zev Hypercomp.
3,000 rounds in 3 months through a dr920 and had multiple problems with it! Dig deep and you'll fine lots of others have as well. Love this channel a ton! But have to post my experience for anyone searching these
What issues? My 920 had mag catch woes but they fixed it quick
@@TheHumbleMarksman failure to go into battery multiple times per magazine along with trigger reset issues the frame itself was out of spec was what the gunsmith told me at my local gun shop they also told me they have had multiple come back for issues.
What ammo and mags were you using?
@@somebody1476 quality ammo that works in all my other guns and the mags the gun ships with. Belive me I wanted the gun to work and gave it a ton of chances. But my particular sample did not work and I didn't want to deal with shadow systems so I to a big L on the gun.. shit happens
@@bigcapt81 during “break in” I would have the same. It decreased over time but would still happen …maybe 5x per 200 rounds on mag changes. They swapped out the barrel on it which helped but is now slow to go into battery during mag changes. Shame because it’s a cool gun.
How is the recoil compared to the Walther PDP? I found the PDP to be snappier than the Springfield Armory Hellcat.
The only thing I don't like is the extreme angle of the slide serrations. GLOCK needs a Gen6. As reliable as they are, they are not as receptive to design improvements as the MOS mounting proves. SS are becoming more appealing.
I like the smooth barrel. Whish they offered that on the elites.
I believe the Vortex Viper fits.
Great video
Great pistol company. Love their customers service and their pistol. I have the MR920L
How many rounds did you put through it to break it in? I just ordered one and am getting cold feet with the varying pros and cons that are at about 50/50. Thanks
@tonymarinelli7304 good morning, Tony. What I did was take the advice from CZcams '( Tactical Conversations ). And when I got it home, I feild strip it, just your basic feild striping a pistol clean it lube it up ( WELL ) where you need lube at. then I spent the day dry fire practicing with it by just working the slide and pulling the trigger, racking the slide, pulling the trigger. I also used ' Dummy rounds ' and filled a magazine up to help break-in those components when a round is being loaded. Remember. Use, ' Dummy rounds ' when doing that part. Then after a day of doing that I went to the range, and I went the recommended 200 round. I personally, with my MR920L had now issue. My personal opinion on ANY firearm and Trevor, the CEO of shadow systems said it best. To Some LEVEL and degree ALL firearms requires some level of a break-in. So for since February and now above 1,800 round into mine. No issues. Good luck with yours. Shadow systems customer service is great. So if you do, have an issue just call or email them.
@@jamesdelong6401 WOW, thank you so very much for the detailed steps you took and for the prompt response. I really appreciate it. That was very kind of you!
@@tonymarinelli7304 your welcome tony
Nobody likes a break in period but it’s normal for a lot of top manufacturers. Nothing to say about that.
If i ever see a combat series optic cut mr920 then i would buy
I was never interested in the shadow system elite because it was a little too fancy/ flashy for my taste but this seems more my speed. I like the plain Jane look. If I didn’t already have a gen 4 with a brownells slide for an optic I’d be heavily considering picking one up
One big question I have, Is the trigger guard on the Shadow Systems bigger than a stock Gock? A factory Glock trigger guard is so small that I can't shoot with gloves on. And I'm talking about thin Mechanix gloves.
I have a MR920 Elite and a DR920 Elite, both didn't need a break in period but I was planning on practicing with it anyway so no big deal. Who would carry a defensive firearm without running a few hundred rounds anyway?? My wife carries the CR920 and it did need a break in period. 100 rds, easy, has performed perfectly ever since.
Chic fil A comment got me rolling yes brother! Lmao that said… great video and if for no other reason i will be grabbing a shadow systems simply for the purpose that it’s made in the USA and not imported… don’t get me wrong. Stock glocks rock and my edc and go to is the 19x. Looking forward to putting the shadow systems xr920 combat through its paces and hopefully it will replace my 19x as my go to EDC. Thanks for the video and the laugh. Go BDE or don’t go at all! Cheers!
100% my kids are picking Chick fil A given a choice. Maybe I will see you in one (here in North Texas) some day 🤣
Should I get this or Walther pdp?
Both my shadow systems had issues. I prefer the og. The one that actually runs
The break in on my DR was waaay more problematic and never fully resolved. I sent it back in and they said the barrel was defective. Haven’t put a ton of rounds through it yet but it now feels sluggish when I drop the slide on a new mag. My other complaint is I probably expected more from the trigger given the price point. I like the trigger on my19x far more and on the Glock 17 I just got…but tend to figure triggers on polymer guns tend to vary a lot. If the Shadow System ran 100% all the time I would probably love it. Just hard to have confidence in it for competition or home defense.
This is my exact same experience with shadow systems. The trigger was horrible. For the $1200 I spent on the war poet edition it’s sad… I sold it for a Walther pdp. Best decision ever lol
My MR920 War Poet edition
5" threaded barrel & factory mounted halo.
Dry fired snaps every night for over a week b4 I could get to range. Have put 1500 rds thru it in bout 5 months. Runs like a clock, zero issues; mounting screws haven't moved. It's broke in & my daily. Best shooting gun I own. Better than my zev.
I have a war poet as well, it looks awesome and shoots ok. First mag, I had a dead triggered it was weird, I thought something was broken, then had a few other issues. It feels snappier in my hands compared to a regular Glock as well. May be because of the lightweight slide no idea. I think I just trust Glock more than anything regardless.
@@davelpz3340 yeah I trust Glock more as well. My Glock 19 gen 5 shoots better than an MR920 hands down. No questions about it
When I hear comments like this,it really makes me nervous. I just ordered a pistol today after reading and watching everything I could get my hands on. So many varying outcomes. I’m a PDP Fanboy but like many of us, this pistol is waaay too sexy to not give it a try. Wish me luck
Serious question in terms of "budget" Glock clones. Is the Foundation series still worth compared to the PSA Dagger which is still much cheaper?
That's were I'm at to..this isn't a budget gun its a MOS gun to just take away more glocks shares lol..I guess if these ended up for 399-429 maybe it be close but yeah not budget
I am left handed. Can the Mag release button be switched around?
If you were picking between the Shadow System and the Bul Armory Tomahawk which one would you pick, or at least lean towards?
That’s tough. I like the shadow systems frame better but slide and trigger better on the Bul. They are very close.
Wonder why they don't offset the slightly longer slide of the DR with a lighter recoil spring assembly for faster lock-up and slide travel.
It looks like the slide was dipping a whole lot more on return than with the MR series in the slow-motion footage.
They probably have a good reason for keeping most of the 3 platforms pretty similar in configuration and values I would imagine.
I actually have been carrying a Foundation MR920 that I've added a Holosun EPS to for about 5 months and it's my favorite Glock style carry gun, even compared to my GEN5 19.
The 1911 grip angle paired with the quality of life improvements in ergonomics, optic cut and reliability put this a cut above the rest without the real unnecessary flare of the Combat or Elite.
For the asking price tag I would take one of these for serious use above any of the other clones and the improvements make me prefer it over a Glock in the shooting department.
My only gripe is I don't want the shadow systems optics system. I want direct cuts for the acro and 509t footprints
They are starting to do those so I hear
Sat a 509t green dot on a rmr adapter plate on my mr920. I wizh there was more 509t footprint cuts too
I liked the video but want to see that new beretta carry optics gun!
Same
Heard too many people having issues with them. I’ll stick with my Honda Civic.
is the accessory rail a regular 1913 rail or is it a glock rail?
Well I'm glad we got that squared away...
So, if I were to get a foundation series pistol and later down the road wanted to change the barrel out to a fluted one, could I just plug and play?
should be able to
I thought Trevor said the Foundation guide rod is carbon steel versus the stainless in the Combat and Elite.
which self defense ammo did the DR920 end up liking?
Looks interesting 👍 what the cost 900$or so?
No lugs in the optic's cut??
I needed 200 rounds without lubricant. I cleaned all the shit off. Seemed like It sheered off a lot of the top of the frame where the slide meets. Zeroed and it's my duty. MR920 Combat. I did need the (basically Glock) backstrap
I really want a one of their guns but I see lots of bad reviews so Im on the fence about it.
How is shootability compared to the bul axe pistols?
Very similar- trigger a bit nicer on the Bul
I’m going to shoot the mr920L here in just minute I love it
I've noticed a few guns do not like that sig ammo
Thought about getting one but after talking with their people and watching their videos I decided no. Would have to replace their mag release due to their part being harder than stock Glock mags and in Trevor’s words it would essentially wear out the mag especially with a mag extension on it. This was confirmed by email. He also stated that they’ve had slides crack due to excessive dry fire and if you planned on doing a lot of dry fire to use snap caps. Seen lots of reports of strikers breaking as well. Just do your homework might have been just working out some bugs at that point. Both my Gen 5 Glocks had break in periods.
Lol great add 👍 I have an MR920L and a XR920 so I can swap the slides and have 4 different configurations to choose from. I agree with the negatives about the break in and the trigger. Lots of dry firing and loading/downloading the mags a few times helps with the break in. The trigger is nothing special, but luckily they are gen 4 triggers so there are endless choices. Aside from those two small gripes they are as good as a polymer frame striker fire gun can get.
My gen 5 19 outshoots my shadow all day. Surprises me as you would think otherwise. Disappointed and sold it.
Don’t underestimate the G19. It outshoots many a more expensive gun.
Always change sights ant put in extended mag release
My 19 is very good - my shadows out shoot it from a pure accuracy standpoint - but it could very well be a tolerance stacking thing
I’m awfully content with my Gen 5s too…all mine run great, more accurate than me and just need good sights…and maybe Talon grips. I like my DR Elite but it’s had issues.
I've never had Chick Fil A. I hear it's good though. Thanks for the share!!
Have well over 20k on my mr920l. I use it for IPSC competitions. Dr920 was not available yet here in Europe, but I got to shoot it later and for me there is no noticable difference in grip size, my hands just barely fit well enough on MR frame. Foundation series seems like a step in right direction, bring it closer to Glock price and honestly biggest game changers about SS is their lower geometry and optic cut.
What is the grip angle? Glock or close to 1911?
Omg the chick filet thing is so true, my daughters are 20 and 21 and they still want chick filet. On days I come home from my VA appointments I text them and see what the want , chick filet every time, not Sonic or Culver’s, even Mikey D’s would ok, but no chick filet.
I saw a guy with a shadow system Glock at my IDPA match and now your video, I am interested for a CC gun , thank you for the review.
MR 920 War Poet
Best Gun 4 the price by far
Can it accept a Timney or an Overwatch trigger work in this platform?
Yes. Gen 4
Best Vedder ad ever. 😂
As a fellow dad I go to chick-fil-a at least once a week every week...but I love it and yeah, sorry man.
So…MR920 foundation or elite? Threaded or unnecessary if I don’t want/need a suppressor?
If you don’t want a compensator or suppressor - the foundation is probably fine - you give up the mag well and bag at that point but I think most people can be OK with that.
Man the difference in comments on this video compared to older Shadow Systems videos is alarming. In the past I used to see nothing but positive reports from people who had MR918 or earlier MR920 pistols, but as the brand had gained popularity I am starting to see more of a split in terms of peoples experiences. This really doesn't inspire confidence, and it makes me feel like it might be better to just go with Glock.
That's kind of the thing, some people believe innovation and features are significant, but that depends on the intended purpose of the gun. For a competition gun, sure, innovation is a must. For a self-defense/combat weapon, reliability and good QC is far more critical. Very few companies achieve the volume of production Glock has without compromising QC too much, it is clear Shadow System is starting to struggle with that. It is also fairly obvious SIG isn't doing that great in terms of QC with their newer products either.
Same situation when comparing Aimpoint to Holosun and the like.
I have purchased 3 shadow systems in the last 2 months. My original dr920 I got 2 months ago I already have 3k rounds through and I am loving all of them. These are better than any gun hands down until you get into like the 1500$ range and staccato’s are available
Been to Chickfila once. I was a passenger (hostage). The driver bought so i ate.
Hi, could you please answer my one question, if you could have only one would you chose a Glock 19 or Glock 17, no third option.
Given my use case probably a G17
@@TheHumbleMarksman thanks
Not trying to flex, while doing the MAHOMES 💪. JK. Great video. Love Shadow Systems.
I shoot P320 variants in competition but I still think the best value in striker fired pistols is the CZ P10 series. With the OEM spring , my P10’s didn’t like low powered comp reloads , but apart from that they’ve had zero issues with over 15k rounds out of the box all OEM parts. . I don’t know why they’re not more popular as they’re bombproof , fast and accurate. I can only speak to the Czech made versions as I don’t have a US made one. Run hard immediately without a break in and the trigger is very crisp after a few thousand rounds .
The back strap system on the P10 series is dumb, the lack of support was annoying to me, and the fact the guns are a pain in the dick to work on if you wanted to.
Does the P10F shoot well? Yeah, but so do other pistols that are easier to live with.
I had 3 cz sp-01’s all of them had issues, I will never buy another cz again. And the p10 is overrated trash compared to anything shadow systems makes.
I like how they out-engineered Glock by reducing the spring channel allowing full-sized optic screws to the depth of the slide.
Is it HumbleMarksman or Umble?..