Why Vettel's Ferrari F1 dream was doomed before it started
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2020
- Unless Sebastian Vettel causes an upset in 2020, the Ferrari chapter of his Formula 1 career will end without a world championship. Vettel played his part in being responsible for that, making key errors when titles were there for the taking in 2017 and '18, but as we explain in this video, the ever-changing landscape at Ferrari didn't give him the best environment to succeed. Comparing the era of Ferrari Vettel had to deal with with how Jean Todt built the team around Michael Schumacher two decades earlier doesn't reflect well on those in power at Maranello.
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Imagine having prime Alonso and Sebastian and not winning a Championship in a decade.
Theres retards here blaming the drivers...kooky isnt it?
Rollo Treadway yeah they even forced out Schumacher
Amen.
No need to imagine, it’s reality.
@@iamanidiotbut7403 AAnd purposefully fucked up the development of the 2008 car midseason to favor Massa (Schumi admitted this) and force out Räikkönen
Seb didnt have that team support that he had in redbull.
He didnt have the team support that Schumacher had in ferrari.
Alonso or Seb not winning a title in Ferrari just shows more about the team then the drivers.
I agree with the team part but you are missing a big part. Vettel did so many mistakes. Not acceptable for a top team driver.
ICEMANZIDANE personally I feel like he wouldn’t have crashed as much if he had his team backing him better, listening to him, etc
He didn’t have the team support? What!?? He had Kimi as a number 2 while he was given better strategies 98% of the time. Was given great cars in 2017/2018 and lead most of those seasons so how the fuck didn’t Vettel get the “support” ?? Wtf are you people talking about. He could do no wrong even after stupid mistakes like Singapore 2017, Mexico 2017, Baku 2017, Germany 2018, Japan 2018, Usa 2018, Brazil 2019 they still supported him and never put the blame on Vettel. So how the fuck do you people keep claiming like he was ‘done wrong’ by Ferrari is beyond me. You guys live in LalaLand..🤣🤣
Quinn Gillis This is the top competition at car racing. Emotional outgoings are not acceptable reasons. And team showed that Vettel was first driver until last year.
@@ar1029 clearly wasn't watching the video then. Support means much more than simply favouring a driver
ferrari failed their biggest fan, Seb
🥺
He didn’t have the team support? What!?? He had Kimi as a number 2 while he was given better strategies 98% of the time. Was given great cars in 2017/2018 and lead most of those seasons so how the fuck didn’t Vettel get the “support” ?? Wtf are you people talking about. He could do no wrong even after stupid mistakes like Singapore 2017, Mexico 2017, Baku 2017, Germany 2018, Japan 2018, Usa 2018, Brazil 2019 they still supported him and never put the blame on Vettel. So how the fuck do you people keep claiming like he was ‘done wrong’ by Ferrari is beyond me. You guys live in LalaLand..🤣🤣
H K dude what’s ur problem why do u go around copy pasting the same message on every pro vettel comment. it’s a video about vettel of course there’s bound to be vettel fans why do u have to be so toxic
@@bugmanwogee8498 report him as spam
@@ar1029 youre the type of guy that thinks ric and sainz is even better than hamilton and vettel you can just stfu
Tldr: what Schumacher didn’t have but Vettel had to deal with: Italians.
That pretty much sums it up, perfectly.
Tl;dr nowhere in the video it implies this.
Marco “Jean Todt Kept management away from Schumacher”
Who does management mainly consist of? Italians.
@@Marco-kz6go but it actually is true. Schumacher basically changed the whole team with people he knew from Benetton.
True, but a lot of engineers were italians, just the leaders weren't.
The fact Schumacher, Braun and Todt had to shield themselves from management getting in the way is evidence enough.
A champion team will always beat a team of champion(s).
Well said.
1980s McLaren
Very well said!
Genius
Lol
This is why I admire Mercedes as a team. They all work in harmony, with no trust issues with each other.
That’s because the drivers can be honest, doesn’t seem that way in Ferrari.
@@PeRRXX Its NEVER been that way at Ferrari
Unlike ferrari mercedes let their drivers race. Some times it ends terribly but their honesty is what makes them exceptional.
@@Bahamuttiamat Yes, I too remember that time, when I heard: "Valtteri, it's James. You can race Hamilton, go for it!"
@Sander Palu What are you insinuating? Bottas is given every opportunity to win and he does. The same can't be said about many other number two...
Fernando drove his hearts out during 2012. Ferrari finished 3rd in constructors and Fernando 2nd in Title that says it all.
2012 car was garbage and somehow he managed to get a good season. As a vettel fan im glad vettel won the championship, but alonso definitely would have earned it
@@FreehhZe if Fernando and seb can't win it I don't think Charles or Sainz has any chances. They missed out on Ricciardo.
Yeah the 2012 Ferrari was shit. Even Sauber was faster.
I mean they’ll have to make a good car for 2022 for the rule changes then Ferrari can win a title in a way vettel has been betrayed even in cars like 2015 and 2016 vettel drove superbly and now they let him go he should’ve had at least one more season
@@Dtgr77 Seb's ferrari cars aren't as bad as Alonso's I have to say
Ferrari have had 3 team bosses and 3 team principals in 5 years that Vettel has been part of. That's too much, and certainly have destabilized the team! Stability is key in order to extract the best in your team in F1. Especially given the fact that Mercedes is having the most dominant performance ever enjoyed by a team in F1. Ferrari were nowhere, and kept constantly changing people. These things are a distraction for everyone involved within the team as your asking them to re-adapt again and again. This is just not going to let you beat the stable and most dominant team in history. As simple as this.
And yet, despite all the instability they were still mostly competitive, fighting for wins and otherwise usually the second best car.
@@mich722 the problem with that is Red Bull was always lurking behind to pounce on Ferrari (in terms of driver standings) like what happened in 2016 and 2019
Vettel carried us.
@@mich722 So did Williams and McLaren circa 2000-2004, but you can hardly call those environments stable.
You can thank marchionne for that. He also put FCA in a postion that makes it doomed to disappear in the following years (although they are planning to merge with PSA to prevent that).
"When you start out in a team, you have to get the teamwork going and then you get something back." - *Michael Schumacher*
@@SOIBand you're just underappreciating the leadership of Michael. How many drivers in the history has been able to done that?
nick butler the guy had it baked into his contract that he would never accept a team mate that might pose some challenge to him. No leadership there, only cowardice. Karmas a bitch.
@@SOIBand don't see this as contradictory at all. It's the most fail-safe way to "get the teamwork going". Anything else is a huge risk relying on countless outside variables. Knowing that teamwork is key and bringing the team that you know to work is the smartest thing you can do. edit: _if_ you can do it.
@@Sparrowash97 Pretty certain that Senna also influenced Lotus in choosing the 2nd driver at Lotus in 1986. They originally wanted Derek Warwick but Senna knew that he posed too much of a threat so he instead wanted a lesser driver. That's why Johnny Dumfries got the drive instead. See, it's not just Michael who engineered on who should drive the 2nd car.
@@Sparrowash97 and here we have another edgelord who laughs at others life changing accidents. Go take a long walk off a short pier.
This reminds me of the Prost saga with his sacking from Ferrari. The management wouldn't listen to there drivers when they had a problem and sack them when they disagreed with management. As noted in this video, Jean Todd would listen to his drivers and boom - 5 championships.
I do remember Arrivabene being a lot happier in 2015, when Vettel got his first win at Ferrari, Arrivabene was getting crew members to join in interviews and stuff. Then, Sergio Marchionne started having more input and the whole team got miserable. I don't think Binotto is the right person to lead the team, he doesn't seem to be very good on the people side of it. I do think Vettel started losing the edge, or the confidence in the car, after Germany in 2018, and "that virus thing" in 2020 has really made him think about being in F1 in general.
Honestly can't blame him he likely also talked to the legends before he made his decision.
I seem to remember Aldo Costa (ex Ferrari member who then joined Mercedes) said that Binotto was more suited to become team principal than lead the technical team.
@@theempires5 Engineer rivalries guy
I don't blame him for wanting to spend more time with his family, having a young kid and all.
Hated Vettel during Red Bull days, but in retrospect he deserved all the races and championships he won
@@joostin123 absolutely. I hated him for what he did to Mark Webber, but you can see the flip side of the coin which is that if you aren't there to win races, you shouldn't be on the grid. The Michael had that, Senna had that, Lauda and Hunt had that, to name a few.
Kimi was one of the only points of stability and friendship in an otherwise hostile and changing environment for Vettel. I wonder if the departure of Kimi was yet one more factor that led Vettel to leaving.
Having Leclerc definitely changed the outcome, for worse or sooner. It was always going to happen but even more pressure of a new young driver trying to take his no, 1 role definitely paid a part. And why wouldn’t it? A shame.
Vettel could have driven ever race to his best with no mistakes and still would never have won any title. Ferrari are a joke strategically and constant failed mid season updates, yet the media always try to play up any driver mistakes as if that’s what cost the championships
2017 was so closer my opinion sad car have issued and mistaken he did at Singapore
Singapore was not his mistake
He was going to cover Raikkonen, these things happen in f1
its a different story for Lewis Hamilton for Sky F1, they always either, Blame the Car, Another Driver or the staff when it comes to Lewis, i have been watching Sky Since Martin Brundle and David Croft commentated there, since then Sky F1 is becoming more and more of a Hamilton Fan Page, trust me ive seen it all
He could have won the 2018 campaign if he didnt make the silly mistakes he did. Actually Ferrari didnt fucked up as many races as you may think. Only the Singapore race and the qualifying in Suzuka were thrown away by Ferrari mistake. The rest is Vettels fault (Baku, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, USA...). The 2017 campaign was way harder since the car also suffered vital mechanical issues in the last part of the season (Japan and Malaysia qualifying), but again in that year Ferrari didnt fucked up as often as in 2019.
many times he shouted over the radio in italian language;
"Lasciatemi guidare perchè non sono lento, lasciatemi guidare ... una gara bella" ("Let me drive because I'm not slow, let me drive ... a great race").
So he had some good times also!
In the end we can say that although Vettel is not Hamilton, he had a car that allowed him to fight for the championship but Ferrari politics ruined it. And they had the talent in the team to push for that goal, which makes it even worse. They really didn't had to go around hiring engineers etc.
Many times ? It was once in singapore
Very True. Seb did failed to deliver at times but the team failed him much more to cost him in 2017 & 2018. Singapore & Germany, team should have given correct team order which they didn't like many other time. Also how to forget the mid season update failures.
And Vettel made 3 consecutive mistakes in 2018.
The midseason updates where Vettel’s fault since HE is number ONE driver at Ferrari. The drivers thought and felt the updates where better THATS WHY THE TEAM CHOSE TO GO AHEAD WITH THOSE PARTS. Dont blame Ferrari for Vettel’s incompetence.
He didn’t have the team support? What!?? He had Kimi as a number 2 while he was given better strategies 98% of the time. Was given great cars in 2017/2018 and lead most of those seasons so how the fuck didn’t Vettel get the “support” ?? Wtf are you people talking about. He could do no wrong even after stupid mistakes like Singapore 2017, Mexico 2017, Baku 2017, Germany 2018, Japan 2018, Usa 2018, Brazil 2019 they still supported him and never put the blame on Vettel. So how the fuck do you people keep claiming like he was ‘done wrong’ by Ferrari is beyond me. You guys live in LalaLand..🤣🤣
H K what are u talking about the updates make the car better. jus the level of improvement isn’t as fast as that of mercedes. i’m sure if u put the pre update 2018 car against the post update one you’d definitely find that the updated one is faster
@@ar1029 not his fault you can clearly hear it on the radio the communication between himself and Ferrari was pretty bad saying it is his fault is undermining how bad Ferrari leadership is.
H K you literally copying your comment in like 3-5 reply box lol
Why Vettel’s Ferrari dream was over before it started: he drove for Ferrari. They treated Alonso, Kimi, and Seb like used condoms.
In an era of Mercedes Turbo Hybrid Dominance and Red Bull underdogs, Ferrari still chose to rest on their laurels and breed arrogant complacency and infighting. Strategy, leadership, team work, tires, communication? Who needs that? We’re Ferrari!
Toxic bullshit company culture. Stop living in the past. Your “history” and “pride” mean nothing when you’re losing to AlphaTauri, Williams, Haas, and Alfa Romeo. 👍
what a stupid comment. Who are you MR HIGH HORSE. Its the same kinda comment that comes right after Ferrari win the championship. OH Ferrari only won because they had an english driver, or an english team boss, or an english cat.... The same list has been said from the start. We have heard it all before, being played all over, time and time again.
An underdog userper....thats a first
@Joel Schembri horses for courses, not the same time, not the same era. Turbo vs non turbo. Has Malta won any championships lately? Ferrari as a team has who is a lot younger than team Mercedes have won more championships than anyone else on the grid, including Mercedes. So how does your argument stand up now? Mine are based on facts, what are yours based on?
By the logic on these boards, Mercedes could also be seen as a poor team. What has Mercedes really accomplished if all they've beaten is a disorganized Ferrari at it's low-point?
Ferrari had an English cat?
Looking back at the 2018 season now, it seems we are extremely unfair to Vettel for blaming his Germany crash as being responsible for crashing his title hopes. Even Hamilton crashed in Germany in 2019, but it barely put a dent on this title chances. No driver is error proof and you would always assume there's a chance for an occasional DNF due to driver error, considering how long the season is.
If anything, Ferrari are more responsible for Vettel missing the WDC in 2018. Shitty strategy, reliability issues are what cost Vettel the title. Towards the end of that season, most of the mistakes Vettel committed were out of pure desperation and over aggression, seeing his title hope fade away for not much of his fault. Add to this, unlike RedBull, Ferrari never developed a car that suited Vettel except in 2017. The 2018 car was an overall beast, yet not exactly how Vettel wanted it. The 2017 car on the other hand was exactly what Vettel loves driving. The 2019 car was completely opposite to that of 2017, focusing more on straight line performance over corners. Ferrari should have continued with their 2017 philosophy while continually improving their engine and its reliability and I am sure Vettel would have won in 2018 as well as 2019. I am not even his fan, but I guess we are unfair to Vettel quite a lot.
He stayed loyal with them for 5 years, he made them title contenders, he made them race winners, he made them a better team then they were and he got removed off the team. Ferrari is the one team that kills its drivers career.
Think about it only five years
Same thing happened with Michael. They backed him into a political corner so he left. Sure they got Raikonen but only Ferrari word be dumb enough to force a good driver out of their team.
Prost is another one to mention, fired for being honest about the damn car!
@@larsoftheredhotlovers6220 I was so pissed when Michael announced his retirement in 2006 and hearing news that Ferrari forced him out for Kimi. A guy who literally brought back the team to greatness was sidelined. That was the beginning of the fall.
Well, to be fair, they were title contenders before he replaced Alonso aswell. They had 2010 and 2012. And if we look at it from the other side, they gave him great cars for 2 years straigth (2018 probably having the fastest car on the grid), but he made crucial mistakes both years. So it's not like they didn't give him plenty of chances.
@Some random guy This is why I think people underrate Hamilton. He has not lost his footing one bit, and has actually become a better racedriver with time. Just like Alonso did.
This just proves why contracts that don’t bear fruits within 2-3 years should not be renewed yet people still criticize Ricciardo.
It blows my mind that people criticise Ricciardo for wanting to just be happier and more confident.
Riccardo&Renault it's a story a bit similar and a bit different. On the one hand we have Renault F1 in 2 parts: Cyril and his ego and Renault team that trying to do something despite Cyril's effort. According to 2020 tests, car performed quite good, aero fixed as well as quality but we didn't had a chanse to see a proof due to lockdown. Thanks to Cyril also, there is/will not be customers in the following year, Hulk is not there, being several years and helping to develop the car.
I understand a little Reanult (as a team/company), they were hoping that Riccardo will help them with that. Riccardo got a 2 year contract in team that developing, it's hard to expect from the 1 year that it will be able to win. And he decides to leave BEFORE car showed something, before any results. 2020 had to be quite optimistic, according to tests in Barcelona.
In the other hand, I understand Riccardo. Looking how Cyril breaking with other drivers in the past despite on their experience and contribution. And the contract with McLaren is so sweet to not to take it. Also, Riccardo screewed up several races (like Australia GP, France GP) by himself therefore team didn't gained points.
People are not happy that Riccardo decided to leave Renault before he seen and shown changes in the car and in the team. It looked like he decided to leave because there is no development and change in the team at all, when it's not like that. Me too.
I like Riccardo and I wish him the best, I'm also Renault fan and I don't like Cyril in charge.
PS. And I also don't like and understand the fact that Todt is in the F1 management after so many scandals with Ferrari and Briatore were banned.
I found it unnecessary from Renault to throw a hissy fit
@@es5ape *Ricciardo
Yeah, we still criticize him. He fled from RB, he won against Hulk only because team supported him (because they had to somehow explain his paycheck)
I'm reminded of an old quote I read in a James Allen book, "Stand outside Ferrari and you wonder why they don't win everything. Stand inside Ferrari and you wonder how they win anything"
Ferrari, outside of the Todt/Schumacher/Brawn years, has always been a disorganised rabble ruined by factions, politics and egos. Without the Ferrari International Aid doing the dirty work for them... they'd probably still be without a championship since Jody Schecter
Its like those artist marriage come to think of it...
They look so rich, therefore they LOOKED happy, but underneath, they aren't so happy as they looked....
A Hogg read this book, too. It was "The Edge of greatness" or "The Quest for Redemption". But i do not really agree with you on Ferrari International Aid. Remember 2005 rules? They were clearly made to break Ferraris dominance, as these rules exploited Ferraris only weaknesses and corrupted their already underway design of the F2005. Also if you closely look at all the decisions made and Ferraris argumentations it becomes clear that Ferrari often was smarter than the British teams in their arguementations. Also if you look closely there were lots of decisions made against Ferrari as there were against McLaren or Williams. But the public just do not notice this, as Ferrari never made a public case out of these decisions. Dennis and Head always did. And with the help of the mainly british F1 press it appears as Ferrari ALWAYS got favored. I do not say that Ferrari NEVER git favored. If there were 50/50 decisions they indeed were always made in Ferraris favor. But it is not as especially Ron Dennis and Patrick Head made it seem and like, because of them and the british press, history was written in that regard...
@Yohan They did that during Enzo's time too. He was a closed minded ignorant guy, much as people laud him, he was a dinosaur, it took alot to convince him of technical innovation. He had refused to put engines from front engine to mid ship for example on no technical basis other than cos he said front engine was better.
Couldn't agree more.. I think thats why Ferrari are so against a even playing field because if the teams were more even Ferrari would be a mid field team at best
@@michaelastockbauer672 i think the 2005 rule was because the FIA was losing tv coverage
It was a rather them or Ferarri case...
For the rest.. i do not know this...
Lets see how charles handles all those pressure and expectation when he’s number one driver, plus vettel is driving nothing to lose in this remaining seasson. Its gonna be good
Binotto should be a better fit for Charles, hopefully Ferrari dont make the same mistakes as they did with Alonso and Vettel.
@MrLocomaximo true, sad but true :(
MrLocomaximo you got that right
Im hoping they dont ruin him, cause he has such a good personality and way of getting the most out of the crappiest situations.
And im sorry, but is charles just supposed to sit there and do nothing, at the end of the day, he proved himself. (In 2019)
And if leclerc wasnt there, they wouldn't have been able to keep up with mercedes, this year is a joke. We all know that.
This comment aged like milk.
I grew up watching Vettel in his Red Bull days and I must say it's sad to see it end this way. He lives and breathes F1 and has a true respect for the history of the sport (unlike some others). I hope he can still have some connection to F1 outside of the cockpit, perhaps aiding in reshaping the technical regulations that killed his love for modern F1 in the first place.
Which drivers don't have respect for the history of F1? Not a single one of them didn't watch it on TV growing up
Vettel is a great guy but
Lives and breathes f1 does not mean a thing if you are constantly crashing into others and your teammate. Problem with vettel is his ego, he is not able to digest the fact that he is not winning and he loses his sense of control. And this is not limited to vettel alonso was similar to vettel but he had amazing car control. Alonso was frustrated with McLaren similarly vettel also left Ferrari frustrated.
Problem with vettel is he doesn't know when to take risks, all these collisions and crashes breaks his self confidence going into next year, he never takes one step at a time.
@@flammenjc exactly is like to know what other drivers don't respect the sport, guys full of his own b.s
@@Dtgr77 higly doubt it, unless they screw up possibly every bit of the 2022 car, and even then it would be a matter of 1/2 seaseon before getting back in the top 3/4 spots
Yes and he definitely has /had more titles in him. Thing is Mercedes pulls it off so well because their car is more reliable and many of the decisions made by the Mercedes team just countered whatever Ferrari did. It got to a point where I honestly believed that if Ferrari chose to pit Mercedes would choose to stay out. It became a trend of making mistakes for Ferrari. Ferrari didn't make it difficult for Mercedes to win and hence they were under less pressure if any. Vettel may have made mistakes but I'm certain that anybody else in shoes wouldn't have done any better. Devil is in the detail. Follow everything and you will see that it is not just as simple as blaming the driver
Just Ferrari reverting to type. They're now in their second-biggest Drivers' Championship hole in their history, and they've achieved this whilst having three former champions driving for them. Even when they've clawed the performance gap back from Mercedes, the silver arrows have shown themselves to be, mentally, stronger and just hunkered down, waiting for Ferrari to (inevitably) screw up.
I love Ferrari, I really do. They bring a history to the sport that can only be (barely) matched by McLaren and Williams, that brings a smile to my face when I remember my early years as an F1 fan, some decades ago now, but the Schumacher/Todt/Brawn years were an exception, rather than the rule and the only way they'll manage to get that back is by recreating the magic.... somehow.
This just proves the most important aspect is the car. The Mercedes was the fastest, anyone driving for them would be world champion. If not Hamilton, it would have been Bottas.
I doubt much that Mercedes focus on beating Ferrari or anyone else.. I bet instead they focus on their own benchmarks and work like hell to beat themselves, raising their own game in the process. And like magic everyone else ends up in their rear view mirrors....
Last time I was this early, the boys were still at Autosport.
This is the new autosport lol everybody move here
Oh they WERE autosport?
And JBL got left out poor soul lol
And Giorgio Piola, i miss his incredible work.
Ferrari will always be the same, just different drivers but importantly same results. Unfortunately Alonso and Vettel have both discovered that. Can’t see them winning titles anytime soon.
I think Fernando had better structure and support around him. There was a bit of the 'GP2 engine' about him towards the end of his time at Ferrari
Brawn was a key player to success.
Hamilton would be crazy to even consider joining this team
@@Nickelodeon81 They don't want him, they already have a fast driver.
Michima can’t wait for Sainz to put Charles in his place tbh
If you give Vettel a good car wirh a good team which is suited to him he can still deliver a championship
If you give vettel a good car, he will either spin or lock up. We've seen that over and over again. If he gets away, he can deliver a win but the moment he sees lewis in his mirrors it's goodbye vettel
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@@kevplayzgamez6524 and the red bull looks unstable this year so i think it wouldnt be that fitting to him, better than Ferrari but not good
Yeah and if you gave me a million dollars I'd be a millionaire.
Vettel had a top car in 2018 and a team backing him and what did he do? A bunch of unforced errors.
@@TheImSolid i think the video explains what happened mate, it wasnt just his fault. calm down, ferrari isnt going to hire you mate
I got to see Vettel on the podium at Silverstone 2018 it was amazing to see him up there in real life being my childhood favourit driver
I just want Vettel to Mercedes and give us one last Rosberg level rivalry vs Hamilton before the regulations kick in
Yesss just one more year
I really can't see Vettel going up against possibly the best driver in the history of the sport... He couldn't live with Ricciardo or Leclerc and I can't see him trying to challenge Hamilton
@@neilwilliams2883 Did you not watch the video? Leclerc didn't have the mental pressure from within and outside that Vettel did, he didn't have to deal with the bullshit that Vettel did and the car did not suit his driving style!
So we'll see how Leclerc does in the future! And lets not forget the numerous reliability issues Seb suffered compared Leclerc (in both qualifying and races) and still ended up only 24 points behind him and lost 9-11 in quail battles! So your statement: " He couldn't live with Ricciardo or Leclerc and I can't see him trying to challenge Hamilton" is vastly exaggerated and very untrue!
@@neilwilliams2883 Rosberg and Button had beat Hamilton, so I think Vettel will give Hamilton a tough fight if he is in Mercedes.
@@swapnilnayak2449 yes, I know Vettel has his army of loyal fans like yourself, who will make up all the excuses in the world for him... In fact, it's just like Vettel himself: it wasn't his fault that he rammed Hamilton in Baku, 2017; it wasn't his fault that he took out himself, Kimi and Max at Singapore 2017; it wasn't his fault he spun 4 times in 2018 while driving the fastest car on the grid; it wasn't his fault he spun twice in 2019; it wasn't his fault he crashed into Leclerc last year in Brazil; it wasn't his fault he disobeyed team orders last year in Russia, costing Ferrari the win; it wasn't his fault he got dominated by Leclerc, a guy driving only his second year in F1; it wasn't his fault he got dominated by Ricciardo either.
But if Vettel was still such a great driver, why did Ferrari let him go?
I'm still conviced that compared to Alonso at Ferrari, Vettel had a much better car. Eventhough the team environment wasnt good at all for Vettel..
*I feel like Vettel failed to bring the championship in Maranello because of the Ferrari environment, while Alonso failed due to the Ferrari car.*
And both are really sad stories.
Ferrari really are not a good environment. Pushing Kimi out do to lust for money (started in 2008), not giving Alonso a good car and not allowing Vettel to show off his Red Bull speed.
In 2008 Ferrari made the car more for Massa than Kimi, who could not launch a proper title fence do to the cars understeer. Than they announced that Alonso would be replacing him in 2010 pretty damn early. Kimi said the way Ferrari treated him was why he originally retired. For his second stint Ferrari were contractionally obligated to apologize to him for the way they had treated him.
I think it’s both, while Vettel did have his mistakes like 2018 Germany and Singapore 2017. It didn’t help that Ferrari as a team wasn’t the best. The reliability of the cars at times wasn’t the best and obviously the qualifying killed them.
You mean Hamilton killed them? Fucking hell lets be honest here. It wasn’t Ferrari losing. It was Hamilton in Godmode in 2017/18/19. Vettel sucked and lost a lot of races to Hamilton that Ferrari should’ve and Could’ve won. How many times did Hamilton put in crazy Qually laps where Bottas was nowhere? How many times did Hamilton overtake Vettel for a win?
He didn’t have the team support? What!?? He had Kimi as a number 2 while he was given better strategies 98% of the time. Was given great cars in 2017/2018 and lead most of those seasons so how the fuck didn’t Vettel get the “support” ?? Wtf are you people talking about. He could do no wrong even after stupid mistakes like Singapore 2017, Mexico 2017, Baku 2017, Germany 2018, Japan 2018, Usa 2018, Brazil 2019 they still supported him and never put the blame on Vettel. So how the fuck do you people keep claiming like he was ‘done wrong’ by Ferrari is beyond me. You guys live in LalaLand..🤣🤣
I would say Singapore 2017 isn't his fault. It's just bad luck that took both Kimi, Max and Seb out of the race.
@@hoangatngo1811 I'd say, a racing incident. It's raining. It's lap one. These things happen. Just like spa 1998. Nobody was at fault. Just a sequence of unlucky event happen together.
I am a huge Ferrari fan and make no mistake: the problem is pretty much ALL on the Ferrari side of the equation and this video makes it clear. Ferrari is known for building fantastic racing cars and, also, to have a complete disastrous team management at the paddock. Ironically, It was exactly one of the key elements that built the Schumacher-Era.
I am still trying to figure it out why people keep saying Leclerc is better than him... calm down, people, just be patient. You have to ignore A LOT so that perspective could make any sense. Seb is a 4x WC just to begin with. People think he took that out of nowhere..
Your a Huge Ferrari Fan and you gave a Vettel a pass ...
How quickly people forget we had the 3rd best car last year not to mention the questions behind it's legality
Couldn’t’ve put in a better way
These are all reasons why hamilton shouldnt join ferrari. As much as i want to see him win in red - in this environment - he may not.
But if he does nobody can ever question him.
Hamilton moving to Ferrari is like getting off a throne and sitting in shit
People would still question him if he joined Ferrari and won. The argument would change from "All the greats have driven for Ferrari" to "You see?? Hamilton only wins with the best teams!! Let's see him win with a Sauber!"
His record speaks for itself and he doesn't need Ferrari to be validated.
Truly Zambian yeah. Agreed.
I just think how wild would that be - he joins the third team and starts winning again.
That would drive people properly mad.
Its not impossible. Remember how quick McLaren went downhill once he left. People then questioned his decision to join Mercedes, but the team changed for the better and the rest is history. I think Lewis could take Ferrari to the top
@@richboy900 I don't agree, man. The culture at Ferrari is totally different than Mercedes (something which is mentioned in this video when they discussed how Schumacher-Todt-Brawn worked). Ferrari are very rigid in their structure. I couldn't see them operating the way Merc do by giving Lewis the freedom to do whatever he wants outside of F1 and also having an input on team decisions. Ferrari strike me as being very much old-fashioned and stuck in the old ways and there is a lot of micromanagement.
Lack of a stable team and “almost there” I think really defines his time. Also, Vettel’s time at Ferrari is so telling of the state of Ferrari right now. There are some good things, but man they have so much to figure out!
*x men superhero interview*
Professor X: So, what's your power?
Me: Hindsight.
Professor X: Well that's not very useful is it.
Me: Yes I see that now.
This is a very fair, objective analysis that took views from many angles. Neither a fanboy not a hater perspective, great job!
If you heard the team radio record, you can feel how happy and well organized Mercedes team is. Hamilton trust the technical team and the team backing him up with what hamilton need. Plus, there is no bad rivalry between valteri botas and hamilton. Yes they still compete each other, but team management still can handle that.
Ferrari on the other hand, is a mess. There is no sync between driver and team. The management treat the driver just as a driver. Too many politics behind the door. Uncontrollable driver rivalry with management that clearly favored one driver.
Michael Schumacher and hamilton winning history is not just about driver talent, but the story how great team management, trust and team works to the finest
Not so sure about that, if you purely listened to the team radio you'd think something is wrong with Hamilton every race, most of the team radios aired is him complaining about his tires not lasting and questioning his strategy.
@@C3lloman Thats because hamilton's psychology requires him to be "behind"; to "have a problem". Its how he seems to stay motivated to perform; he has a NEED to overcome "problems". It works for him no matter how unattractive it is.
Maybe ferrari sholud leave f1 and focus on fe or maybe make LMP 1 car for 24 le mans...
@AmsterdamHeavy Correct. Lewis is by nature a warrior. He relishes the fight. His damn name means warrior lol.
@Hadi hadi Yeah no. The "trust" at mercedes came about from many years of mistrust. It wasn't smooth sailing 13-16.
I started to think that Alonso was right
@ATS599 The team cost him a championship in his first year. Every year he was runner-up. Not necessarily Ferrari's fault, there was simply a superior team / car. With an inferior car, Alonso came close to beating Vettel during his reign 2010-13. If Alonso had Vettel's Ferrari, he would have gotten the job done. Or he would simply have finished runner-up for almost 8 straight years.
He was right.
@@nestogsw9659 Alonso fans are always counting on ifs
I feel a lot about how quick the Ferrari was perceived to be from 2017-2019 by repetitive tv commentators was far from the truth and seb drove beyond the car those seasons to even make us believe 'ferrari was back'.
Far from the truth because if we were to summarise where the No2 car was in those seasons almost every race it would give a better understanding of where the car actually was in terms of true in season pace, which to me summarised the mistakes Vettel made all those times being so far on the limit all throughout with a car not as friendly on the limit as a red bull or Ferrari.
Germany was an all time low and a few mistakes by Vettel otherwise were still not even close to the amount of blunders Ferrari made as a team,
I remember Kimi racing and defending seb on more than a few times and wiping him out in Singapore, basically not being a good No2 driver when it was needed the most while fighting Mercedes for the championship.
Lastly being a fan of the sport, I felt there has been a really sour approach by English TV commentators influencing how the mass public sees a driver and in most cases it has been full of their underlying hate toward German drivers. This seemed to dent Vettel's personality more I fell than unforced errors to the English speaking viewers round the world.
Singapore was a flash of brilliance and that last cry for help from seb to the team to back him as he can still be faster than lecrec and smarter too. Germany 2019 was another one. Basically the second half of the season.
This could be one of the smartest moves for Vettel even if he sits a year out while Ferrari cut budgets in the future and try fighting more optimised teams like Red Bull
@@arvedludwig3584 Honestly it was Lewis picking up the pieces from being beaten by Rosberg for a title in the same car. 2017 in the start
Mercedes's advantage showed that someone who was being beaten by post accident Massa could be bringing home P2 with ease.
Such was and is their advantage. Someone
not admitting that is just not facing facts.
A lot of credit is taken away from Vettel for no reason and a lot of undue credit is given to Lewis just because of the bitter fascist English media translating their story.
They went on and on about how Ferrari had a car finally but not that both cars were not up to the mark and one driver was always more than .3 faster.
Fernando did the same as Vettel did but just was more public about how Ferrari messed it up for them so he looks like a hero looking back at say 2012.
"I remember Kimi racing and defending seb on more than a few times and wiping him out in Singapore..." Who wiped out who in Singapore?
@@petriruusuvaara809 Max moved into Kimi and hit him and Kimi wiped Seb's side pod out retiring him
Sure, vettel was actually pushing the car beyond its limits. Sounds like you're just framing it the way you want. Alo could have taken it in 17 or 18.
True but also remember that Kimi got dealt the shit tactics that "stay out there with old tires driving 2s slower than anyone else to block Hamilton for half a lap so Seb can maybe close the distance a little bit and then come in to change your tires when the race is over already for you". That made a difference in Kimi's results, and with better tactics and his fundamental skill of not getting into trouble (as long as Max is not near him) could have actually won them constructors in 2017 or 2018.
I say that Vettel’s time at Ferrari was a frustrating time for him. He couldn’t get the team behind him like he wanted, he failed to emulate Schumacher as he didn’t win a title and Leclerc’s arrival was just the final nail in a VERY painful coffin. I watched Vettel dominate 2013 and his fall from grace is very painful in hindsight. Poor Seb.
Pray, what is "a very painful coffin"?
@@Obetv01 one with spikes?
@@Obetv01 An Iron Maiden I would assume.
@@Obetv01 Isn't that what the undertaker died of?
Poor seb? He had a dominant car created by newey and everyone thought him king. The moment he got a lesser car he crumbled like bricks. Fernando said it, and now we see it coming to fruition.
I would describe Vettel's time in Ferrari as "Mercedes were better".
Anyone driving that Mercedes would win. Without Hamilton, Bottas would be champion. The car has simply been much faster.
More like Vettel failed and got exposed once more. He didn’t have the team support? What!?? He had Kimi as a number 2 while he was given better strategies 98% of the time. Was given great cars in 2017/2018 and lead most of those seasons so how the fuck didn’t Vettel get the “support” ?? Wtf are you people talking about. He could do no wrong even after stupid mistakes like Singapore 2017, Mexico 2017, Baku 2017, Germany 2018, Japan 2018, Usa 2018, Brazil 2019 they still supported him and never put the blame on Vettel. So how the fuck do you people keep claiming like he was ‘done wrong’ by Ferrari is beyond me. You guys live in LalaLand..🤣🤣
@@ar1029 copy paste much ??
Mercedes were not better in 2018 and 2019. Ferrari as a team make too many mistakes including driver mistake
H K Vettel was never given a car that could win a championship. Sure, he might have been able to get within 30-40 points of it in 2018, but there was never a chance he could have won that title.
I highly doubt that Lec will be able to win a championship for Ferrari in the next 2-3 years at least..
depends on 2022 regs
@@MrFurettoFurbetto Yes, depends on the regulations.
You were correct!
Lauda (RIP) said in one interview that after he left Ferrari he felt he was lighter... Working for Ferrari is hard, and if noone takes a little bit of the pressure coming from the top (as the team leadership didn't when Vettel was there) its ubviusly extremely hard to overcome. I think you showed really well that this is a complex personell problem as well.
This makes appreciate Schumacher's titles even more. 5 straight championships with Ferrari? LEGEND!
Even as someone who isn’t a big Vettel fan, I’m honestly hoping Vettel wins the 2020 WDC, just so he can gain some respect back in the eyes of many F1 fans. It’s infuriating how many fans I’ve seen write him off, and how to many he’s almost considered a joke, despite being one of the most successful drivers in the history of the sport.
ferrari wont let him win this year
Iceman 11 I think he gonna be sabotaged by ferreri
Vettel is a top driver, it's just that a loud minority label him as a joke.
Writing Vettel off is a sign of ignorance. The man is still in the top 3 of the best drivers on the grid, it's a shame the team never gave him a car that suited him. The closest they were was in the first half of 2018, until they ruined the car with the mid-season ''upgrades''.
@@aziaat2198 It wouldn't be good for their constructor standings to sabotage him. But they will definitely give Charles the preferred strategy and advantage wherever possible. The only way for Vettel to win is if he outperforms his teammate by a huge margin.
Why it was doomed before it started: Because it coincided with the most dominant team the sport has ever seen.
Absolutely correct bad timing and a big gap.
Most dominant latley but not in history for example williams mid 80's almost up to 97 yes there were a couple of gaps but back then every driver wanted to drive williams renault and before that it was maclaren or lotus even tyrell which is what merc were before BAR or honda. Merc is a good team and if we get to 2025 and they still winning then yes i recon you will be right but we not quite there yet and for f1 sake we need new champs because atm its just not fun to watch im sorry to say
To be fair seb is probably under pressures of what lewis,valterri,Charles and max combined because of the team and his dreams, he was already hated before ferarri so people would just take shots at him for everything he does, if he really cracks under little pressure he would’ve lost 2010 and 2012
I think the most interesting thing to come from this video is that championships are won by teams. There has to be integration from top to bottom to make it work and Ferrari are notorious for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by allowing Latin temperament to rule. The days of a gifted driver being able to overcome the faults of a team are long gone and possibly the last one to do so was John Surtees at Ferrari in 1964. It is something Williams should look very carefully at as well.
'Latin temperament', what racist drivel! Ferrari have been second only to Mercedes. Look at Williams and Mclaren, they are British and have been nowhere the past 10 years, completely collapsed. Ferrari produce their own engines as well unlike those teams who simply buy an engine.
@@mich722 Said like an Italian copying Enzo Ferrari. With the resources Ferrari have been able to pour into F1 over the decades they should have far more success than they do. I stand by what I said.
@@peterlovett5841 Like I said, Mclaren and Williams are nowhere, completely collapsed for over 10 years, nowhere. Ferrari, with their 'Latin temperament' has not collapsed, still fighting for wins and is second only to Mercedes. And like I said, they built everything themselves.
@@viniciusbraga9881 Ferrari's mistakes were calculated mistakes, wrong decisions by technicians and mistakes in development approaches, not some cliched 'Latin temperament'. And as I said, at least the 'Latin' team has not completely collapsed for over a decade and has still at least been competitive, fighting for wins and championship, unlike Mclaren and Williams which collapsed and have been nowhere.
What a mess of a team! *Hamilton* and *Verstappen* should watch this video if they're ever approached by Ferrari. 😖
They already know this
But I see you mindlessly criticizing Vettel in a majority of the posts! I have been telling people since the end of 2017 itself that Ferrari can never win a title against a team like Mercedes at least until a new regulation comes in and that too only if they are concentrating on those new regulations rather than playing internal politics!
I hope they don't destroy Sainz
@@bidyarnavgoswami4048 me too. :/
i think hamilton knows this hence hes staying with mercedes why would you go anywhere else when you have the potential to earn more world titles than anybody ever
As they say hindsight is 20/20
It was obvious by the end of 2018 that he wouldn't be able to win...
Its so easy to critic them after these 6 years. I doubt there was this much critisism and doubt of it working after the good start of 2015. Hindsight is a beautiful thing indeed.
@@TheLeewi98 yes indeed
@@neilwilliams2883 2018 wasnt "before it started" but yeah after several years u can see it. Just like Alonso before him.
Ridhuan AB yes but now you can see why it was never going to work...
the big difference between vettel and hamilton in the title fights was, that hamilton only had to fight vettel. Hamilton was really comfortably leading the team in a almost ferrari dream team like partnership with toto, while vettel had to fight hamilton and his own team and his standing within the team
Conclusion- It's Ferrari's loss not Vettel's
arguably yes even tho vettel has stopped improving, failing to adapt to the hybrid engine era cars
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@@MrFurettoFurbetto Yes.
I will just say that the 2015 Ferrari is a beautie, and the 2017 one is my favourite of all time.
Say it louder
@@favianmadrid6345 Am I allowed to say I love V6s? Because I frickin' *love* them
@@adrianpenate5302 bwoah you went too far
@@krzysztofwojewoda4075 bwoah sorry mate bring back v12s
Adrián Peñate v10* just imagine the 2017 Ferrari with a v10
Vettel didn't crumble in Ferrari, he got crushed
It takes a team to win in F1. I really hope Seb finds a team that matches his personality and requirements to extract the best out of himself and the car.
Rosberg will make a video a tittle "Is Vettel's career really over?", with an explosion thumbnail.
The video will be legendary.
What is Schumacher saying about all this? He can't be pleased watching the team HE helped build crumble.
@@dax9431 have you forgotten what happened to MSC?
at best hes nowhere near a normal guy in terms of speech or thinking
at worst, hes a conscious vegetable
Kimi was the only thing that was keeping seb at Ferrari
Kimi was one of the only points of stability and friendship in an otherwise hostile and changing environment for Vettel.
Real shame, it seemed to all that this was going to be a match made in heaven.
Thats what ppl said about Alonso-Ferrari relationship at the beginning as well....although to be fair, they came much closer 2 times and the only things preventing them for doing that were Ferrari's lackluster car in 2012 especially, rather poor performance of Massa (he was not really able to help Alonso in his title fight) and just some poor luck especially in 2012.
@@Balnazzardi It wasn't seen as a match made in heaven, merely a team signing the best driver it could
Schumacher was shrewd and he surrounded himself with not only Jean Todt and Ross Brawn but also the master engineer Rory Byrne. That quad combo was just unbeatable. They should’ve won in 99 as well if it wasn’t for the freak accident at Silverstone forcing Michael to miss some rounds.
I'm a Lewis Hamilton/McLaren Mercedes fan.
So Vettel is naturally a rival in my eyes, I've given him a lot of grief over the years (in my head) but I do feel for him and have a massive amount of respect for him. I wish him the best whatever he does, I don't want to see him down in the midfield.
I think this video is a very fair assessment of the situation. Thanks for being so eloquent on what is undeniably a complex and botched situation.
How Fernando fought for two titles to the very last race in two underperforming cars compared to the fastest car of the grid and the ones Vettel drove at his times hints Fernando would be a much better choice for those two years in clearly title contender cars. 2018 one was the fastest car of the grid for the first half of the season, Fernando never had such an opportunity. I think Vettel’s decision to leave is the right one. Leaving Ferrari was the only option for him to freshen his career and get his mental strength back. It is obvious Leclerc is Ferrari’s future and the focus of the team will be on him.
"Volatile and less-trusting environment" - summed up perfectly.
Despite Vettel being a sympathetic guy when the pressure is off, on cam, I mostly remember all his middlefingers in the 2016 season, his aggitated interviews, his deliberate crash onto Hamilton behind the safety car, and his many mistakes while under pressure, Hockenheim being the most clear example (but there are many; Silverstone 2019 for instance).
Alot has to do with ferrari as team, they are not stable and consistent, alonso and vettel are both quality drivers, they cannot both fail, team must do retrospect
Do you want to say that it was Sebs fault at Singapore? It clearly was an racing incident...
What about Baku 2017/2018? Mexico 2016/2017, Silverstone 2017/19, Germany 2018, Japan 2018, USA 2018, Bahrain 2019, Italy 2019, Brazil 2019?
All racing incidents right? 😂😂
@@ar1029 Idiot im talking about Singapore 2017🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@ar1029 Brazil 2019 both could have left more space for each other. Even Charles admited it
@@ar1029 And USA 2018 was an racing incident as well it was just unlucky just like 2018 Italy
@@ar1029 you just want to go on everyones nerves, so stop saying anything, you already got destroyed by another comment in the comment section 😛
Even as a Hamilton fan, I do appreciate what a huge void Vettel potentially leaving F1 could leave. If Lewis' wins in 2017 and 2018 were so sweet and interesting to watch, it was only due to Vettel's tenacity which kept the season alive. The way it ebbed and flowed between the two was exhilarating to watch, and it was such a shame that the 2nd half of both seasons didn't turn out to be a nail biter for whatsoever reason.
I do believe Ferrari had a role to play in Vettel cracking up. When you publicly dissuade your driver, like they did at times, it becomes hard for anyone to perform at the topmost level. Just look at how McLaren's season imploded in 2012 in spite of them having the best car at times and Lewis driving at his best.
I do believe that given the right environment, he really could've flourished and it was refreshing to watch him grow into much more warmth and maturity as the years went on.
Yeah - I watched it all being in favor of Vettel but in awe of Hamiltons talent and consistency. It is a real shame. With a team principal like Jean Todt or Toto Wolf, bringing the whole team behind one driver and keeping away all politics, it would have been an epic duel. People say, it would have been Vettels job to adjust himself or bring the team behind him, but in my view that’s the job of the team principal: giving the drivers all they need to make the best job they can. And Ferrari really wants the driver title... If you listen to bring back V10s episode on Prost at Ferrari it kind of reminded me of this, although it must have been much worse for Prost, as I take it.
You closing words hit the nail on the head. Well said.
I think vettel will do a Niki Lauda, he may win in 2020 or take a break and fight agin for a wdc
We'd all love to see that but Ferrari does not have the pace to keep up with Merc or red bull. Rn they can barely keep up with McLaren and tracing point💀
When senior management starts to micromanage, especially in the garage and with the drivers, it's a recipe for disaster.
At the very least it creates an unhappy work environment with poor communication and trust which as a driver is not a scenario you want.
The drivers need to be mentally relaxed and focused on driving, especially when you take into consideration they're potentially putting their lives on the line everytime they go out on the track.
But I guess as long as the mega rich idiot sitting at the big desk on the top floor is happy it's all good.
Ferrari has always been a high pressure team to drive for though.
No-one says do you remember when brawn won the world title , drivers are remembered as champions , they don’t just drive , they create a team worthy of learning and winning
An excellent and fair analysis of Sebastian Vettel's time at Ferrari, this proves the old axiom "progress is change, but not all change is progress".The constant change never allowed Sebastian to have a proper chance of emulating the success that Michael Schumacher had.
The curse of the Iceman has now two World Champions as victims.
mmbwoah
Who is last Ferrari's champion?
Le mans???or lewis??
@Joel Schembri the moment schumi hadn't had his fingerprints on the car development the cars got trash
@@salamipitza Actually, Kimi could have won in 2008 too if the car hadn't been developed towards Massa's driving style in order to force out Kimi for Alonso (Schumacher admitted this)
Ferrari have let Vettel down at times but he also let himself down by throwing it off the road so many times. You cant stay in contention if you dont finish . Also I think Kimi got a longer stay of execution of at Ferrari because I think Jules Bianchi would have been in a Ferrari sooner rather than later were in not for the Suzuka 2014 accident.
Ferrari fans may not like this but, I think it's just the way they manage thier team is the real reason why they haven't won titles for over a decade! With all the money and resources! It's like too much politics. I remember Sergio Marchionne (RIP) at times was pretty much threatening the team publicly to get things together. It's like a hostile environment. You would never see any of this from a team like Mercedes. I remember once Nico Rosberg said after his retirement the real secret why Mercedes is so good is the management and how they run things and their philosophy, even from the upper management, Daimler-Benz.
I have to disagree with the statement that "Vettel threw the championships in 2017 and -18 away ", simply because of the reason that Ferrari blew the title hopes themselves by reliability issues, failing in the update race against Mercedes by bringing too few and insignificant updates with them and messing up the strategy far too often in 2017 (yes, even back then they made a mess). 90% of the blame belongs to Ferrari in 2017 since Vettel made far less mistakes back then. In 2018, Vettel more or less threw it away yet even then Ferrari messed up the strategy and could've helped by making Kimi drive for Seb instead of letting him drive for himself and robbing Vettel of points he really needed. I think that this is part of the reason why Vettel made so many mistakes since he had to fight against Lewis and against Ferrari to become world champion. I think that the fact that the rumours spread about Leclerc joining Ferrari (I think Vettel knew already that Leclerc would join him in 2019) didn't help Vettel with the fight for the championship, increasing the pressure on him which was already very high. Still, it was Vettel who threw it away in 2018 for the most part.
If he does not get a contract by toto wolf for the next season he could take a year off for example. But i pray to God that he will not sign at Renault. This would be an absolute waste of time. He could do Le mans or something like that. It would be legendary if he wins in a hypercar.
Most likely Alonso is taking the Renault spot, Vettel in the merc uniform or retire tbh
Ferrari are also going to compete in IndyCar, so who knows.
"2:25" sports always need money, but when money take over the sports it would be disaster
Worst feeling is, giving your best, and not being acknowledged for it... that drains motivation and willpower. Sets questions in your mind, and it actually goes both ways. Management needs that feedback or conformation, every now and then.
It's easy to forget each other over time... when the trust is gone, it's hard to come back for many
Ferrari is in it for Ferrari. Ferrari loves being in F1. "Winning? Who said anything about winning? We are Ferrari, don't you know this? We are Ferrari and we are in F1. We have a prancing horse and a bright red car. Look how glorious we are. This is what matters to us most. Yes, I do think we have drivers for our cars. Just a sec... let us check.......... Yes, it appears we do have not one but two drivers. Well then, so it is." Reminds me of Soviet era air force doctrine. The fighters pilots flying the Soviet supplied jets and associated military hardware, received orders from the commander of the GCI or Ground Control Intercept or ground based radar. EVERY move and change of altitude and flight path was STRICTLY controlled by the commander miles away in a radar shack. I cannot recall an air battle this Soviet doctrine won using this totalitarian core tactic (think any air battle where Soviet planes were used (MIG-17/19/21/23, etc...) Despite this time and time again failure, the Soviet kept throwing up jets - it appeared - to be shot down. Deduction tells us the Soviets prefer and used a system that produced experienced parachutists. Ferrari mirrors this useless doctrine. If you do not want to win an F1 championship, drive for Ferrari and, look very good in the process. They have even tricked the sponsors to assist in this special kind of madness, such is the power of Ferrari.
Don't know your voiceover setup but you can definitely benefit from a pop-filter in front of your microphone since any "ph" sound will sound *POFF* in this video :) Awesome content and talk otherwise!
Carlos Sainz's Ferrari F1 dream was doomed before it started. that's all.
Sebs failed Ferrari attempt was a lot of little things that made one big issue.
1. Lack of leadership - From what I’ve seen, the team doesn’t have any authority over it’s drivers. If you look at Russia, Seb came up with anything and everything as a reason to not let Charles by, and it worked. In Italy, Charles was told to go ,if I remember correctly, and in only HKS second year in F1, and first year in Ferrari, he completely ignored the team, and hurt his teammate. In France, Sebs engineer asked him to go faster because Charles felt he was slow, Seb asked “how much” and his engineer suddenly pulls back his statement, and this was 2019 alone.
2. Sebs emotions - I think Seb let his emotions get the better of him, and often acting from the heart, rather then the head. Seb wanted to immolate his idol so much, and truly did love Ferrari, and because of that, he put to much emotional pressure on him.
3. Charles - I don’t think anyone in Ferrari, including Seb, expected Charles to hit the ground running like he did, and I think that caught Seb off guard, and again, letting his emotions get the best of him, and making all of the mistakes he made.
4. The cars - The 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2019 cars had a ton of issues, and it hurt both parties. The 2015 car wasn’t good enough to challenge for the championship, in a year where Seb looked like his old self again, and probably would’ve won the championship if given the car. The 2016 car was dogshit. The 2017 car while fast, was unreliable. And the 2019 car lacked downforce, and wasn’t stable, and also was unreliable, costing Ferrari 3 wins (Russia, Germany, and Bahrain) Really, the only time Ferrari made a genuinely good car was 2018. And on top of that, besides 2019, they struggled with mid season development.
5. The drivers. I love Kimi, but he held Ferrari back in at least taking a constructors championship in both 2017 and 2018, and you need both drivers to be doing well for that. Seb definitely underperformed in 2017, 2018 & 2019, and could’ve, and should’ve done better, because he has the talent. Charles did great in his first year in red, but he still made a lot of mistakes that need to be ironed out. Seb, had his worst year in F1 easily, and still only lost out by 24 points. With your teammate having that bad of a year, you need to take more advantages of when he shits the bed.
6. The team - Like I said before, the team lacks leadership, but it also lacks a lot more. Their strategy team needs to do better, their pit crew needs to do better. The bosses need to better. It honestly seems like Ferrari has too much pride to really get where they want to be, and you could almost say that they’re too Italian. If you wanna stock to your heritage, great. But, your on track performances need to be better, and if that means saying “fuck heritage,” then that’s what needs to be done.
I don't think Singapore 2017 was Vettel's fault he blocked Verstappen as books say and he and no one was expecting that lightening start from Raikkonen
It was just a case of "three don't fit into one", can't really blame anyone
I think Ferrari are too Italian right now, in Michael Schumacher's time they had a mix of nationalities who controlled what was going on. You need some British talent in there, like Mercedes and Redbull, Mclaren it can really help with the dynamics and with certain decisions and directions.
Yes, well said. Apparently, LDM was stung by certain quarters of the Italian press saying the team wasn't Italian enough and instead of shrugging it off and getting on with the job, he succumbed to it. It's a case of politics and racing should never go together and this is the classic example of that. Passion is all well and good but you need to harness that to get the best out of the team and equipment. Seb hasn't exactly helped his case with countless mistakes but the strategy front badly needs new blood.
At this rate, they'll fall behind Red Bull as well who haven't had the best engines (although Honda has made great progress) but they at least have stability on the technical side and they have Max Verstappen who can get the very best out of the car.
This is what I've been saying for years! Especially as a huge fan of Kimi, this is so infuriating. The problem with Ferrrari post-Schumacher has been the management, being so dysfunctionally Italian through and through.
This is such a fresh new (well new to me) site - brilliant - thanks
Racing for Ferrari is like playing for Brazil’s national soccer squad, huge amounts of pressure and expectations not just from the team, management but also from the fans. Vettel is a great racer that’s why he won championships. I think if he can sign now or in the next year with the right team at the right time with a good competitive car he can and probably will make another run at. Will he win again only time will tell. Great video BTW.
What went wrong? Hamilton and mercedes
Without them Ferrari would have been winning these past few years, people seem to forget that despite everything they've never collapsed like Mclaren or Williams over a long period, and are still at least fighting for race wins.
@relay35 dominant team in history? I would say "one of" not the most. What about Ferrari in early 2000s, red bull in early 2010, Mclaren in late 80s? It wasn't even fun looking at those races, you know they would win... Vettel won 4 championships in a row, winning almost every race
Pedro Silva Mercedes was far more dominant in 2014 alone then Red Bull in 10-13. Hell, from 14-16 there were 59 races, and they won all but 8, and had every pole but 3
Honestly if you look into the workings of Mercedes F1 team and their work ethics they are at the exact place where they deserve to be. So until Ferrari get their shit together and Red Bull gets a better car I am happy to see them win.
@relay35 does it have to do with Ross brawn being the head of something in FIA? Mercedes was bought from him from 2010 to 2013. It was shit until he left the team and headed for the FIA and suddenly the car goes vroom vroom you know what I'm saying.
5:50 even if Vettel would have made stepstone mistakes which he clearly didn't the end of Hockenheim 18 was clearly to blame on poor strategy of the Scuderia on a w a y forward weighted car -against clear preferations of Seb and clearly against his abilities - plus leaving such a "spearheaded" weight-forward-car on C2 slics instead of intermediated tires!
I.m.p.o.v. 70% fault on Ferrari!
At Ferrari, there are three types of drivers:
1. The Champions (or drivers who were very successful): Schumacher, Alonso, Kimi, Prost or long time ago Scheckter, Lauda and Phil Hill
2. The Number 2 drivers who are well accepted without becoming world champion and just drove for their team mates:
Räikönnen from 2015 to 2018
Massa
Barrichello
Irvine in 1996 to 1998
3. The drivers who were supposed to become world champion but weren’t able to and Ferrari dislikes most of them:
Vettel, Alonso again, Irvine in 1999, Prost again
Singapore was not a start error by Vettel, it was a racing incident and in 2018 Ferrari didn't stand a chance, post monza the Mercedes was a dominant car and Ferrari didn't stand a chance at the title
In the video you give your insights about a situation you can't possibly know the details from inside.These assumptions may are right. What is true is that this guy has another year to drive and you cant say that his Ferrari career will be remembered by Germany 2018 without it having ended.
What would Fernando Alonso have done with that Ferrari?........
I think he could maybe pull out 2018 wdc just because he is more stable then Seb. For 2017 car was just not there yet. Overall i don't consider Ferrari 2018 better then Mercedes but i just think Alonso would not made mistake like Germany and would have more mental stability to pull the title to himself. It is not like we didn't saw cracks in Hamilton in many races and whines on the radio if things wasn't going his way from start BUT he had best car and best team behind him and don't forget road block "best wingman", so it is much easier if not every race is do or die.
Not more the Ferrari 2010 and 2012 was as good as the ones Vettel had 2017 and 2018. The Team is shit, Ferrari is the Champion killer everyone knows that.
He would have had at least one title. But Alonso is a generational talent. Vettel is as close to that as you can get without being one. The difference, on a good day you can't beat Vettel, but Alonso (Hamilton and Schumacher as well) could beat most on a bad day.
@@mikejackson9585 totally agree
@@michaeld.uchiha9084 yeh the 2012 car wasn't as bad as it made out to be due to quali performance , but Massa was abysmal in early part of the season while Alonso almost never left the podium it seemed. Definitely think alo could have just carried the Ferrari that little bit closer to clinch at least 2018 championship.
too many changes at Ferrari, your analysis is perfect, the incompetency of the management is evident even now with Binotto .
Amazing video. Based on this analysis Ferrari is the classic case of “Corporate trying to micro-manage from the back seat” they need to ‘Let them race’ and should only be there to fund and facilitate the team operations and racing team personnel.
"What Schumacher had that Vettel didn't"
A dominant car
Not for the first 5 years he didnt. Schumacher maximised his opportunities when they came, Vettel wasted his and I'm a Vettel fan by the way
It is clearly visible that Vettel wanted to leave Ferrari. It even didnt play a role for him to leave the whole circus. Must have been pretty bad for him to drive for them in 2019. Despite that he was as quick as LeClerc and would have scored the same points if the DNF in Sotchi didnt happen. Still he was holding back any critics in the media. He will be missed....... a good personality
I'd agree with everything in this vlog. 'Red Bull Seb' and 'Ferrari Seb' were two very different situations and Ferrari really are to blame for all the toxic politics and firings, reminiscent of the days of Enzo and that style of 'aggressive management' just does not work in these modern times. Cooperation and harmonious teamwork is what wins championships...every single time.
After watching several videos of Vettel's analysis at Ferrari on CZcams, I have come to two conclusions
1. Ferrari is one of or the most toxic places to work for drivers and this has been quite the case for a long time. Most drivers know and realize that. The only reason they sign up with the team is because Ferrari have a huge influence on F1 in general like we just heard about the power unit gate in 2019 and how it was resolved. Secondly, cementing your name as one of the best F1 drivers. Your career is made when you sign up with them, other teams wait for your contract to expire to hire you (usually but not in Vettel's case). Not to forget one of the biggest pay checks that is guaranteed and the fame (fan following of Ferrari).
2. Vettel broke under pressure several times showing he couldn't handle the pressures put on him by Hamilton, his own team and the new kid on the block who simply proved to be a prodigy i.e. Charles Leclerc
This was no one sided affair as many would like to put. You need to have very thick skin when working with Ferrari and facing Hamilton. Worst time to be a Ferrari driver is right now.