Klon Centaur vs. Ceriatone Centura vs. KTR (and diodes!)
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Testing sonic differences between original Klon Centaur, first-version Klon KTR, and Ceriatone Centura (with two different 1N34A clipping diodes).
SKIP TO COMPARISONS: • Klon Centaur vs. Ceria...
Original silver Centaur used as basis for comparison; controls set in a manner representative of actual use. Potentiometers measured, positions matched on each unit to get near-as-possible within tolerances.
Measurements as follows--
Original Centaur OUTPUT
Lug 1 to wiper: 2.34kΩ
Lug 3 to wiper: 6.96kΩ
KTR OUTPUT
Lug 1 to wiper: 2.63kΩ
Lug 3 to wiper: 7.18kΩ
Centura OUTPUT
Lug 1 to wiper: 2.74kΩ
Lug 3 to wiper: 7.27kΩ
Original Centaur TREBLE
Lug 1 to wiper: 4.51kΩ
Lug 3 to wiper: 4.97kΩ
KTR TREBLE
Lug 1 to wiper: 4.25kΩ
Lug 3 to wiper: 4.70kΩ
Centura TREBLE
Lug 1 to wiper: 5.29kΩ
Lug 3 to wiper: 5.33kΩ
Original Centaur GAIN
Gang 1 lug 1 to wiper: 17.07kΩ
Gang 1 lug 3 to wiper: 16.31kΩ
Gang 2 lug 1 to wiper: 34.33kΩ
Gang 2 lug 3 to wiper: 26.58kΩ
KTR GAIN
Gang 1 lug 1 to wiper: 17.25kΩ
Gang 1 lug 3 to wiper: 16.50kΩ
Gang 2 lug 1 to wiper: 34.10kΩ
Gang 2 lug 3 to wiper: 24.60kΩ
Centura GAIN
Gang 1 lug 1 to wiper: 17.35kΩ
Gang 1 lug 3 to wiper: 16.32kΩ
Gang 2 lug 1 to wiper: 38.28kΩ
Gang 2 lug 3 to wiper: 24.44kΩ
God, I love well-instrumented, rigorous, empirical, testing. This is competence porn, Brad. Thank you!
Man that was the most thorough and scientific comparison I've ever seen! Great job man and thanks for putting this out there.
Dude u are mad in a good way! Nice job!
ITT diodes got them close enough as to be indistinguishable. Great video, awesome attention to detail.
The slipper … it’s magNIficent! 😱
More revealing than any other shootout on CZcams. The null testing was a nice added extra and really nailed the case shut. Thanks Brad!
Heady! Thanks for being extra elaborate on this test of Klons!!!
Love the shoes! You sure do like your sparkle and I appreciate it.
Those ITT Diodes really get the Ceriatone 95% of the way to the OG Klon. In a live setting, i'd be lying if I said that I can hear a difference between the two.
Even in our studio control room, or in the live room standing with the amp, I'm not sure I could guess correctly with better than 50% accuracy.
Centura (ITT Diodes): 3:58
Klon: 4:11
Great video man! A nice change of pace.
Love it. Reminds me why I quickly sold the KTR
I knew I was going to watch this video all the way through when he calibrated his settings with a multimeter.
Fantastic video and information - cheers, Brad!!
Dang. Well there you go. It seems the diodes do something indeed. It's a more significant difference than I would have guessed too.
However, there is one thing I would have liked to see. You matched the potentiometers so that we would be hearing the effect of the circuit differences rather than the natural pot variances.
But in a practical scenario, I would just set the knobs so that the two pedals sound the same.
The Centura circuit sounds more like the Klon with the proper diodes. But, could you not compensate for the audible difference in the stock diodes by tweaking the knobs a little by ear?
Best test hands down!!
Red is crispy, brightest
OG is darkish with centura being juuuuuuuuust a touch darker& boxy-er 📦 than the original klon…with the iTT it’s nearly impossible to tell the difference
Definitely the best Klon vs Centura comparison i"ve ever seen. Much thanks Brad. The ITT 1n34a's used in this video appear to have Black, Brown, Brown bands on their bodies, however the only ITT 1n34a diodes that seem to be available now on the internet have Black, Brown, Red bands. Is there a difference?
IIRC, these are black/brown/red! Cheers
@@bradallenwilliamsmusic Where did you buy?
I prefer the KTR. More punchy with tighter low mids
I thought the KTR sounded like an improved OG.
Dang, those ITT diodes make a monster difference!
I have a stock Centura, and mine sounds nowhere even close to as shitty as the sound of the stock Centura here! Interesting
Once had one original klon on a bad deal with Canadian pop rock band guitarist, I got used to pay expensive $ on pedal and I got a ChaseBliss MKII. Worth it. Now I want The Love bomb pedal lol
YOU GENIUS
Any idea what the forward voltage was on those ITTs?
From what i understand the .35fV measured on a real Klon is too high because the instrument used to make that measurement actually tests at 5mA higher than what a regular digital multimeter tests at.
I didn't measure; I was more interested in a good listening test so I could have a touring replacement for my Centaur. I got close enough and didn't look back. There's a thread on groupdiy where a poster named CJ measures a bunch of diodes; perhaps there's some info there.
Is there a reason the German NOS ones weren't tested? Or did I misunderstand? ... That null test proved out what they sounded like. Dang, major difference w/ the diodes and the KTR is way different in the highs.
They were exactly the same as the ones that shipped with the Centura, so I omitted them. And yea, the different diodes do sound different!
Kinda wanna sell my KTR with new diodes and get the Modded ITT 1N34a Centura.
04:36 klon vs ceriatone
Question. What if I wanted to add a three way mini toggle and solder in another board with three sets of different diodes? Then I could switch for each set...???
ITT
Do you repair Klon KTRs?
I think that in a live situation no one could tell the difference.
Certainly not between the original silver Centaur and the Centura w/ ITT diodes. I removed the silver Centaur from my touring pedalboard and now use the modified Centura. The experience of playing feels exactly the same (and I’m pretty picky)
Why not use the original as the template or control box and physically move the controls to APPEAR the same by a little tweaking? Easy.
What do you mean by “appear”? Visually? Or to sound the same? The pot is a variable resistor, he’s simply matching the resistance so you compare the circuit itself without the different setting on the pots.
@@2tallB Visually. I thought it might mean something to some people that 12 o’clock means the same on every unit. I have been shocked how little some know about their gear but it is a journey not a destination. Might be a tall ask with component tolerances etc but is there an advantage if each unit means the same thing across it’s control panel? “Yes, officer my speedometer reads 100kmh.” “Well, son…mine reads 129!” Like that. Just a thought.
@@Germinalx the reason is that he’s comparing diodes not control knobs. Maybe it’s not “easy’ but it’s the more accurate way to do it.