Kelly Sutherland is either an incompetent hack, or he ignores blatant calls for "game management". Either way, he should not ref a single game in these playoffs after that disaster.
Funny enough, Sutherland in 2011 gave Daniel Sedin a penalty for getting punched in the face by Brad Marchand in the 2011 finals. When Sedin was asked after why he got a penalty, it was because he asked the ref "when were you going to call a penalty? After the 6th punch??” or along the lines, and got a misconduct penalty.
refs have been doing this game management bullshit for decades, almost definitely under the direction of the NHL (there's just no evidence yet). they don't want to seem biased by making an uneven number of calls (or just making too many calls) in a playoff game, but this just means they are biased towards whichever team is committing more penalties, because they will never call all of them, and will call crappy ones against the other team to "compensate". the problem in this game was a little different since the missed calls went both ways. so although it was pretty even, there should have been waaay more PP time, which probably would have benefitted the Oilers more.
This is just the Kelly Sutherland experience bruh. Beer league level official. He is just abysmal. EVERY game you watch that he officiates, you are guaranteed to see some WHACK ASS calls.
Despite being born in / close to Vancouver it feels like he will do everything in his power to make the worse calls against us like he has a vendetta 😂
Because that would force them to find penalties on the Canucks to make the power plays even oilers would have scored and people would still be complaining.
maybe because nobody saw it. One of the linesman saw it in the Colorado-winnipeg game and informed the refs. They then had reason to call a penalty for review. If no one sees it, you can't just call a penalty because somebody has blood on their face. It was a missed call. It happens all the time and usually evens out. Get over it.
No wonder why Canadian teams haven’t won the cup since the 1992-1993 season. The reffing for two Canadian teams playing each other in the playoffs is just straight up horrible!
@@neeltheother2342 So I just checked and 6 Canadian teams have made the finals in the last 30 years but never won. That's not bad considering they have 1/4 the number of teams in Canada and several teams like Det, Pit, TB have have won multiple times in that span.
@@neeltheother2342 Montreal/Vegas series was outrageously in Vegas' favor, Calgary/Tampa SCF controversy are 2 of the obvious examples that you can't deny and they aren't the only ones at all. Also a crazy coincidence that the moment Bettman as been put into position, no Canadian team won.
@@neeltheother2342 Another reason is that players are willing to be payed less to not live in canada, to live where its nice and sunny all year round, lower taxes etc. It can be tough to compete with that in the salary cap era
Me Too. I respect "performers/hosts" Who are humble enough and confident enough in themselves to just keep going when they make mistakes......and not worry about covering it up. we are all human.......😎
Missing calls makes the game dangerous. If you aren’t going to call McDavid for drawing blood, why even ref at all? It makes players think they can get away with anything or retaliate
People should read this all over the internet, and then make a petition on this. We have to stop this trash somehow. I read some genius writing on CZcams sometimes, and your writing is an example. 😃
This is exactly why fighting will always remain a component. If it weren’t for the league outlawing it in the playoffs, this would’ve been dealt with in the 1st period. Instead, the refs lost all control of the game, making it extremely dangerous for the players.
Brutal officiating both ways, missed a too many men right before the canucks 3rd goal, but then on the other hand that mcdavid missed call was horrendous. Simply terrible officiating
That’s wasn’t too many men. You can argue it should be as Kevin Bieska did but by the rule he didn’t play the puck or directly contact anyone before the Canucks player left the ice. The oilers got away with 3 dangerous plays that should have been penalties 2 of which were intentional to injure. Kane slew foot, mcdavid slash to the face , and nurse boarding. But this is the NHL and they don’t officiate based on that they do it based on giving each team the same PPs and keeping the score close. So I’m pretty sure the officials don’t want to give Edmonton power plays as they will score so they won’t give the Canucks power plays as that would force them to find calls on the Canucks to even it up.
@@chrisdranfield3828 yea and the high stick on Hyman, the two holds on McDavid, the several crosschecks. The reffing was bad on both sides but your team has gotten the majority of the power plays so far in this series so you have no cause to bitch. Quit crying like a little schoolgirl.
Kelly Sutherland is THE WORST! Reminds me of the refs from WWF back in the day. 🤣 The refs and linesman should also be subjected to questions, interviews and press conferences. Hold em' accountable!
The Oilers knew it was Sutherland reffing. 2 slew foots, a cheap crotch shot and the high stick that should’ve sent mcdavid off for 4 mins. The Canucks had missed calls too but no where near that dirty. I expect game 3 to be a battle
been going on all playoffs. If your team is down in the series the refs will let you get away with murder. The NHL wants these series to go as long as possible.
if that were true LAK would've been able to go to a game 6. they (the league) have their sight$ set on a wcf matchup of McDavid vs. MacKinnon. they'll do whatever it takes to ensure the soilers go to the final four, at least.
@@PeterDixon734 not necessarily true as they had more teams playing, now you have less and need to extend it. I doubt that’s what they’re doing but they don’t make it easy not to consider.
I was kind of indifferent on this series, though leaning towards rooting for Vancouver. I definitely am now, I can't respect a team that pulls nut shots. I wish nothing but Edmonton's impending doom for at least 10 years.
Being a long time goalie(30 years of playing), yes RVH is terribly overused by goalies. In fact, it has degraded the quality of NHL goaltending. I have a basic, old school approach. Don't go down unless the shot is waist level or lower! It is a lot easier being upright and going down in the butterfly than reverse. What puzzles me, the goalies teammates are going down to block a shot and the goalie still goes down into the butterfly! Frankly, I'm tired of Game analysts saying it was a great shot upper shelf. I say to myself, " no it was not a great top shelf shot if the goalie wasn't already going down into the butterfly!" Regarding officiating, it's embarrassing what it has come too to this point! If it continues like this, a player will get severely hurt, and it will force the NHL's hand to do something about it. How officiating is called in the game does effect the risk of the players health.
The nhl reffing has been brutal for both teams this series. They don’t call anything. So many times I see canucks boarded and the oilers kept getting held by the canucks. As a oilers fan I feel that the refs overall have been pretty bad overall once again for both teams
Van-cel here, yeah the refing was a bit odd sometimes but it was a really fun game to watch. Honestly dont think the calls wouldve changed the outcome of this game.
@@pajamatime5750 The Oilers had more pressure on the Canucks in the 3rd period, 15-2 shots on goal and they had the puck in the Vancouver side for a large amount of time. Both teams were also doing a great job in stopping pp goals after the 1st period. Most of the controversial calls happened in the 2nd period iirc and in the 3rd period we were up 3-2 and killed the Oiler Power Play.... Like maybe it couldve been 4-2 by the end of the 2nd period if McDavid got the penalty, but i think its silly to expect the Oilers to let the game end 4-2.
As a Leaf fan I think I've seen something similar. 93', Leafs vs Kings, Gretzky high-sticking Gilmour, blood on his chin. I seriously have no idea how this keeps happening. They just never learn.
As an older, former goalie, I have been saying for about two years…Goalies are over using RVH. And in general spending too much time on their knees. This gives away the top of the net (and yes, goalies are bigger than they used to be) but shooters have learned to just go high. AND once you are on your knees you are committed and once you are committed, if the shooter hasn’t shot, youre done.
So I was a goalie for 8 years and I can tell you for sure that I WOULD NOT survive in modern hockey. Playing positional used to be acceptable but now players have just gotten better and better and can fit a puck in a pocket the size of the puck itself. I have no idea how modern NHL goalies can keep up with the players of today.
What pissed me most about the McDavid no-call on the high-stick that drew blood was NOT that it was missed. Anyone can miss things, it's that I believe the refs didn't want to send off such an entertaining player for 4 minutes for just a "light" high-sticking.
The no call that bugs me the most is the slew foot from Kane. I’ve always hated that play-very dirty, can easily injure, and is called Way too infrequently at all levels. I’m sure there were missed calls both ways and I don’t think the refs gave Edmonton that game, but I still think that is a cowardly play. (By the way, I do think it’s interesting for an officiating crew to miss a high stock occurring between the two team captains right near the puck. Who could be expected to see that?)
The no call that bugs me the most is the trip right after McDavid Scored. I've always hated poor sportsmanship and intent to injure after a goal-very dirty, he could have easily been out of the rest of the playoffs just like they tried on Leon the game before. Refs are way too infrequent in calling those because the team just scored. I am pretty sure there were missed calls both ways but I am just too blinded and my team lost so I need an excuse. No it wasn't that the Oilers out shot my team 15-2 in a tied 3rd period. It was the refs that gave them that game. I still think it's a cowardly play to trip someone into the boards after they score. (By the way, I do think it's interesting for an officiating crew to miss a trip with intent to injure occurring right where a goal was just scored and were everyone was looking. Who could be expected to see that?)
Its easy to injure with that play... and thats the point of it and why Kane did it. He is trying to take out the knee of the high end skating 24 year old norris calibre dman.. which given the way hughes plays would likely prematurely end his career. The fact that it wasn't called, he wasn't' tossed.. and isn't getting a phone call from the league is just further evidence that this league is second rate and absolutely does not give a shit about the players or the sport. Gary Bettman cares about which tv market he can milk or which marketing face he can sell.
@@johnnybaxter1953 a trip that close to the boards is definitely worse than a nick to the face. I've seen players end their careers from sliding into the boards awkwardly and unexpectedly just like that.
@@darpompie4354 the footage doesnt show the McD going around 2 Canucks D literally because an Oiler ran into the D and basically caused em to stop so McD could skate around em and get that breakaway...... literally shouldn't have been a goal but an Oilers penalty.... that of course wasn't called... lol.......so yea, that play should have been stopped a center ice with an Oiler penalty and then McD wouldn't have gotten 'tripped' The entire Oilers gameplan is to interefere (like McD on Z).... which is why their cycle looked like a million bucks because the refs wouldn't call intereference calls on the Oilers when they would pic the Vancouver defenders.
I actually like the use of RVH in these situations where Zadorov scored. if they don't use it, there is always space to bank it in 5-hole, and going short-side below the arm is possible too. with RVH the only way to score is by putting it top corner, which requires a little more precision and means goalies only have one hole to worry about instead of two.
Funny that Zadorov almost put Draisaitl out with a dirty cross check and didn't even get 2 minutes. So, the evidence says you're wrong. Congratulations.
@@LARGO125well nurse board pettersson nothing, Kane slewfoot Hughes nothing, Hyman cheap shot Hughes behind nothing, mcdavid highstick hughes nothing.. these 4 plays is worst than anything canucks did to any oilers..
Ummm, and just when was officiating ever great? The worst thing that ever happened, was when they added more, and now have damn near a whole line of officials getting in the way. And they claimed that they'd never miss any calls now. How'd that turn out? They miss more than ever, they are always in the way, of the puck and the players, and, they can't even pick up a broken stick, which is then always altering a play. All it was about, was creating more employment for themselves.
The officiating has been HORRIBLE. It's funny because last year, when the Oilers played Vegas, I came away hating the Golden Knights. This year, I have a lot of respect for the Canucks themselves, I just hate the refs. I do really want to know what on earth happened to lead up to that spear from Derek Ryan. He's usually very calm and is one of the last Oilers I'd ever expect to see that from.
It’s like no one has seen a missed call before. Anyone watching oilers games would see multiple missed infractions against McD nearly every game. That high stick was not malicious or intentional. Derek Ryan pulled a dirty one and should be addressed by the league. BTW, Z’s goal was scored with too many men on the ice. Maybe too inconvenient to mention for some people pushing a narrative I guess.
Not intentional? Watch it again in slo-mo. McDavid can be seen glancing at the approaching Hughes then looks back towards the puck and lifts his stick to his face just as Hughes skates by. That was no accident.
We're NOT talking Janmark being boarded or Hyman taking a high stick to the face before McDavid? I mean, if we're going to complain, let's do all of it. McDavid SHOULD have been given a 4 minute major, but there were plenty of other calls that were missed before that happened.
Fun fact! The canucks have never won a game that kelly sutherland has reffed! With that being said there was 3 majors the oilers commited this game that never got called and possibly two of them could have been game misconducts. Along with about 12 other missed holding, crosschecking and hooking penatlies. And im from edmonton lol. All this says to me. The league wants this to go to 7 games. $$$$
idk if you've tuned into the pwhl playoffs at all, but last night's Boston vs Montreal game went to 3OT and also had some reallyyyy debatable reffing. would love to see your coverage on some of these games, they're getting into some serious hockey
Absolutely brutal! The one that really sets me off is the after the fact interference call on Hoglander to even up the call after Ryan spears his nuts! Watch the ref: Hoglander checks Ryan, nothing…Ryan spears him, the ref slowly, hesitantly raises his arm. They huddle up and miraculously pull an interference call out of their corrupt behinds. WWE scripted games at this point. Sad.
I dunno, if you watch Frame by frame you see Hughes putting himself in that situation, trying to body check Mcdavid while simultaneously going for the puck carrier, trying to do too many things at once. Mcdavid is just avoiding the check and keeps the stick at shoulder height (not high stick), if he puts the stick lower then it’s a hook, interference, or trip on Hughes. The way I see it, Hughes missed the body check, and thereby put his head too low in a high speed situation and cut himself on Mcdavid stick. So yes Hughes did that to himself.
@@Jsmith32tI get what you're saying but it's a bit of a stretch to say that isn't a high stick. He brings it straight up into his face. They're both maybe a bit low but they're both at that height for a reason-they're skating. The ref obviously agrees with you though so what do I know?
@@Jsmith32tThats a high stick 10/10 times. As the player wielding the stick, its your responsibility to keep it under control. The only exception to that rule is follow-through, but obviously thats not the case here.
It goes the same way for game one, when the oilers were in the nucks zone the puck went flying and zadorov grab the puck out of the air and threw it away infront of the ref causing them two score the two goals so its even now
People saying that the Canucks got the better end of the shit officiating when zadorovs goal had too many men on and was never called =/ GO OILERS! FUC THE CANUCKS!!!
funny because that is actually not the case, as long as the 6th guy doesnt touch the puck and isn't part of the play......it's no call.... it's literally in the rule book. Plus, when they show the 2nd angle the puck is like 5 feet away from the guy jumping on the bench, not even close.
There were hits from behind, and high sticks on both teams. So much interference on every zone entry. Was annoying to watch then they called random shit calls like nuge "hold" and a weak interference on McDavid
The Canucks got 2 shots on net in the 3rd period. No amount of “missed calls” will change that. You Canuck fans need to understand that, A, the refs miss calls. It goes both ways. B, it’s playoff hockey, they let more stuff go to keep the game faster and more intense. Remember when your coach got Bettman to give both teams a warning about embellishment?? (That’s a classic Tochet move btw). Well that means less calls are going to be made. It’s ok, I understand you Canuck fans are inexperienced with the way the game is played in the Playoffs. lol
2 shots on net is ridiculous and the Canucks get the flack they deserve for it. You also need to understand that a 4 minute penalty to McDavid would have been a massive boon for the Canucks, and in a game that went to OT, that non-call made a difference. Obviously I get refs put the whistles away for the playoffs, but whacking the Canucks captain and star defenseman in the face and getting him sent off the ice is a definitive penalty, even in the playoffs. Not like they couldve missed it, happened about 5 feet from the puck.
Holy f**k, that was hilarious! Talking about fans and playoff experience? Do you recall the Coilers missing the playoffs for 10 straight years from 06 to 2016? Do you recall them making it once between 06 and 2019? If you are trying to brag about the Coilers from 30 years ago, sit your old ass down.
@@AL4140 So you are remembering all the way back to 30 years ago, when the Oilers were good? Really? 30 years ago is what you're still bragging about? LOL! Ok grampa.
@@carletonrutherford1799 you’re not too smart are you. The point was I’ve seen lots of playoff hockey. Successful and not. You Canuck fans are all bandwagon jumpers. So you don’t understand how much different it is compared to regular season. 🤦♂️
The whistles are put away this series more than in others. Be careful what you wish for because if they did call more then the Nucks wouldnt have a chance. There were missed calls both ways. If the league isnt going to call things then why wouldnt the Oilers dirty it up?
The refs in playoffs r ridiculous!? They'll not call blatantly obvious penalties that they clearly saw but then they'll go and call the weakest most ticky tack things!!? It's ridiculous!?
Not saying the Lindgren penalty wasn’t a penalty but in a game like that you don’t call ANYTHING all game til the last 3 minutes? That’s dog shit. These refs should have to answer to the media and the NHLPA should have representatives there to speak to them after too because they’ve been horrible on both sides for EVERY series. I watch at least one game a night and they’re awful. The Hughes high stick…. Atrocious miss
Wow. While watching the game, I don't remember it looking this bad. But that was brutal. They need to do a lot better for sure. I've heard that during the playoffs, the refs let a lot more slide, but Jesus, there's got to be some officiating during these games. C'mon. Having said all of that, GO OILERS GO!!!
Kelly Sutherland is either an incompetent hack, or he ignores blatant calls for "game management". Either way, he should not ref a single game in these playoffs after that disaster.
He should have been on thin ice after absolutely botching game 6 of the 2017 Cup Finals
He will ref the cup finals. Guarantee. The league loves him.
Funny enough, Sutherland in 2011 gave Daniel Sedin a penalty for getting punched in the face by Brad Marchand in the 2011 finals. When Sedin was asked after why he got a penalty, it was because he asked the ref "when were you going to call a penalty? After the 6th punch??” or along the lines, and got a misconduct penalty.
He’s the other ref in the game when Tim peele was fired for the hot mike on getting Nashville a penalty
refs have been doing this game management bullshit for decades, almost definitely under the direction of the NHL (there's just no evidence yet). they don't want to seem biased by making an uneven number of calls (or just making too many calls) in a playoff game, but this just means they are biased towards whichever team is committing more penalties, because they will never call all of them, and will call crappy ones against the other team to "compensate".
the problem in this game was a little different since the missed calls went both ways. so although it was pretty even, there should have been waaay more PP time, which probably would have benefitted the Oilers more.
This is just the Kelly Sutherland experience bruh. Beer league level official. He is just abysmal. EVERY game you watch that he officiates, you are guaranteed to see some WHACK ASS calls.
I assume he’s the angel hernandez of hockey?
@@PenguinGang25 apparently hes an oilers diehard fan and nucks are 2-7-2 when he refs
Despite being born in / close to Vancouver it feels like he will do everything in his power to make the worse calls against us like he has a vendetta 😂
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Why didn't the refs review the high stick like they did in the Colorado-Winnipeg series and give McDavid 4 min? unreal
None of them saw either of the high sticks.
Because that would force them to find penalties on the Canucks to make the power plays even oilers would have scored and people would still be complaining.
@@chrisdranfield3828 even? first game was 3-1 for the Nucks.
bias
maybe because nobody saw it. One of the linesman saw it in the Colorado-winnipeg game and informed the refs. They then had reason to call a penalty for review. If no one sees it, you can't just call a penalty because somebody has blood on their face. It was a missed call. It happens all the time and usually evens out. Get over it.
No wonder why Canadian teams haven’t won the cup since the 1992-1993 season. The reffing for two Canadian teams playing each other in the playoffs is just straight up horrible!
That's pure cope. Bad ownership and management has been the primary reasons Canada has seen a lack of success.
@@neeltheother2342 So I just checked and 6 Canadian teams have made the finals in the last 30 years but never won. That's not bad considering they have 1/4 the number of teams in Canada and several teams like Det, Pit, TB have have won multiple times in that span.
Yeah! We need to advance both of these CANADIAN teams to round three
@@neeltheother2342 Montreal/Vegas series was outrageously in Vegas' favor, Calgary/Tampa SCF controversy are 2 of the obvious examples that you can't deny and they aren't the only ones at all. Also a crazy coincidence that the moment Bettman as been put into position, no Canadian team won.
@@neeltheother2342 Another reason is that players are willing to be payed less to not live in canada, to live where its nice and sunny all year round, lower taxes etc. It can be tough to compete with that in the salary cap era
Surprised they didn't give his face 2 minutes for interfering with McDavid's stick...
Brilliant 👍
lol
You are so clever.🤦♂️
@brucecarter6205 so are you, the way you discretely glazed Connor... he's an "oiler" you don't need to lube him any more...
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Outshit was hilarious. Glad you kept that in there.
Me Too. I respect "performers/hosts" Who are humble enough and confident enough in themselves to just keep going when they make mistakes......and not worry about covering it up. we are all human.......😎
Twas an Amazon outshitting performance indeed!
Missing calls makes the game dangerous. If you aren’t going to call McDavid for drawing blood, why even ref at all? It makes players think they can get away with anything or retaliate
People should read this all over the internet, and then make a petition on this. We have to stop this trash somehow. I read some genius writing on CZcams sometimes, and your writing is an example. 😃
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This is exactly why fighting will always remain a component. If it weren’t for the league outlawing it in the playoffs, this would’ve been dealt with in the 1st period. Instead, the refs lost all control of the game, making it extremely dangerous for the players.
Brutal officiating both ways, missed a too many men right before the canucks 3rd goal, but then on the other hand that mcdavid missed call was horrendous. Simply terrible officiating
Totally I agree
That’s wasn’t too many men. You can argue it should be as Kevin Bieska did but by the rule he didn’t play the puck or directly contact anyone before the Canucks player left the ice.
The oilers got away with 3 dangerous plays that should have been penalties 2 of which were intentional to injure.
Kane slew foot, mcdavid slash to the face , and nurse boarding.
But this is the NHL and they don’t officiate based on that they do it based on giving each team the same PPs and keeping the score close. So I’m pretty sure the officials don’t want to give Edmonton power plays as they will score so they won’t give the Canucks power plays as that would force them to find calls on the Canucks to even it up.
@@chrisdranfield3828 first 2 i agree but he turned into the nurse hit which if twitter didnt lie to me makes it not a boarding penalty anymore
@@chrisdranfield3828 yea and the high stick on Hyman, the two holds on McDavid, the several crosschecks. The reffing was bad on both sides but your team has gotten the majority of the power plays so far in this series so you have no cause to bitch. Quit crying like a little schoolgirl.
What about too many men before OT goal
Kelly Sutherland is THE WORST! Reminds me of the refs from WWF back in the day. 🤣 The refs and linesman should also be subjected to questions, interviews and press conferences. Hold em' accountable!
The Oilers knew it was Sutherland reffing. 2 slew foots, a cheap crotch shot and the high stick that should’ve sent mcdavid off for 4 mins. The Canucks had missed calls too but no where near that dirty. I expect game 3 to be a battle
been going on all playoffs. If your team is down in the series the refs will let you get away with murder. The NHL wants these series to go as long as possible.
$$$
if that were true LAK would've been able to go to a game 6.
they (the league) have their sight$ set on a wcf matchup of McDavid vs. MacKinnon. they'll do whatever it takes to ensure the soilers go to the final four, at least.
@@PeterDixon734 lol
@@PeterDixon734 not necessarily true as they had more teams playing, now you have less and need to extend it. I doubt that’s what they’re doing but they don’t make it easy not to consider.
7 opportunities to ring the cash register... after all it is PROFESSIONAL hockey (aka WWE)
I was kind of indifferent on this series, though leaning towards rooting for Vancouver. I definitely am now, I can't respect a team that pulls nut shots. I wish nothing but Edmonton's impending doom for at least 10 years.
Being a long time goalie(30 years of playing), yes RVH is terribly overused by goalies. In fact, it has degraded the quality of NHL goaltending. I have a basic, old school approach. Don't go down unless the shot is waist level or lower! It is a lot easier being upright and going down in the butterfly than reverse. What puzzles me, the goalies teammates are going down to block a shot and the goalie still goes down into the butterfly! Frankly, I'm tired of Game analysts saying it was a great shot upper shelf. I say to myself, " no it was not a great top shelf shot if the goalie wasn't already going down into the butterfly!"
Regarding officiating, it's embarrassing what it has come too to this point! If it continues like this, a player will get severely hurt, and it will force the NHL's hand to do something about it. How officiating is called in the game does effect the risk of the players health.
The nhl reffing has been brutal for both teams this series. They don’t call anything. So many times I see canucks boarded and the oilers kept getting held by the canucks. As a oilers fan I feel that the refs overall have been pretty bad overall once again for both teams
Van-cel here, yeah the refing was a bit odd sometimes but it was a really fun game to watch. Honestly dont think the calls wouldve changed the outcome of this game.
@@NOFF07A sudden death OT finish and you don’t think calls throughout regulation would have changed the outcome?????????
@@pajamatime5750 The Oilers had more pressure on the Canucks in the 3rd period, 15-2 shots on goal and they had the puck in the Vancouver side for a large amount of time. Both teams were also doing a great job in stopping pp goals after the 1st period. Most of the controversial calls happened in the 2nd period iirc and in the 3rd period we were up 3-2 and killed the Oiler Power Play.... Like maybe it couldve been 4-2 by the end of the 2nd period if McDavid got the penalty, but i think its silly to expect the Oilers to let the game end 4-2.
This is why enforcers are needed in the game. When the refs refuse to make calls the players take it into their own hands.
yikes the ref was baaaad
Oh please look what the Canucks did to Drai give me a f...ng break
@@cindyrussell1581on both sides. the reffing has been awful.
@@cindyrussell1581what did they do
The refs are "outshit"😂
As a Leaf fan I think I've seen something similar. 93', Leafs vs Kings, Gretzky high-sticking Gilmour, blood on his chin. I seriously have no idea how this keeps happening. They just never learn.
As an older, former goalie, I have been saying for about two years…Goalies are over using RVH. And in general spending too much time on their knees. This gives away the top of the net (and yes, goalies are bigger than they used to be) but shooters have learned to just go high. AND once you are on your knees you are committed and once you are committed, if the shooter hasn’t shot, youre done.
You forgot to mention the high stick to Hyman's teeth that had him bleeding from his mouth.
So I was a goalie for 8 years and I can tell you for sure that I WOULD NOT survive in modern hockey. Playing positional used to be acceptable but now players have just gotten better and better and can fit a puck in a pocket the size of the puck itself. I have no idea how modern NHL goalies can keep up with the players of today.
What pissed me most about the McDavid no-call on the high-stick that drew blood was NOT that it was missed. Anyone can miss things, it's that I believe the refs didn't want to send off such an entertaining player for 4 minutes for just a "light" high-sticking.
The reffing in all the playoff serious has been atrocious, NHL better step up their game on it, ruining a lot of games.
20+ years of lousy reffing and the seats are still full
Of course I believe there was no call there. It was McDavid
The no call that bugs me the most is the slew foot from Kane. I’ve always hated that play-very dirty, can easily injure, and is called Way too infrequently at all levels. I’m sure there were missed calls both ways and I don’t think the refs gave Edmonton that game, but I still think that is a cowardly play. (By the way, I do think it’s interesting for an officiating crew to miss a high stock occurring between the two team captains right near the puck. Who could be expected to see that?)
The no call that bugs me the most is the trip right after McDavid Scored. I've always hated poor sportsmanship and intent to injure after a goal-very dirty, he could have easily been out of the rest of the playoffs just like they tried on Leon the game before. Refs are way too infrequent in calling those because the team just scored. I am pretty sure there were missed calls both ways but I am just too blinded and my team lost so I need an excuse. No it wasn't that the Oilers out shot my team 15-2 in a tied 3rd period. It was the refs that gave them that game. I still think it's a cowardly play to trip someone into the boards after they score. (By the way, I do think it's interesting for an officiating crew to miss a trip with intent to injure occurring right where a goal was just scored and were everyone was looking. Who could be expected to see that?)
Its easy to injure with that play... and thats the point of it and why Kane did it. He is trying to take out the knee of the high end skating 24 year old norris calibre dman.. which given the way hughes plays would likely prematurely end his career. The fact that it wasn't called, he wasn't' tossed.. and isn't getting a phone call from the league is just further evidence that this league is second rate and absolutely does not give a shit about the players or the sport. Gary Bettman cares about which tv market he can milk or which marketing face he can sell.
@@darpompie4354 A trip really isn’t on the same level as an intentional stick to the face
@@johnnybaxter1953 a trip that close to the boards is definitely worse than a nick to the face. I've seen players end their careers from sliding into the boards awkwardly and unexpectedly just like that.
@@darpompie4354 the footage doesnt show the McD going around 2 Canucks D literally because an Oiler ran into the D and basically caused em to stop so McD could skate around em and get that breakaway...... literally shouldn't have been a goal but an Oilers penalty.... that of course wasn't called... lol.......so yea, that play should have been stopped a center ice with an Oiler penalty and then McD wouldn't have gotten 'tripped'
The entire Oilers gameplan is to interefere (like McD on Z).... which is why their cycle looked like a million bucks because the refs wouldn't call intereference calls on the Oilers when they would pic the Vancouver defenders.
My brother is a Canuck fan and was so mad when he saw the over time winner.
It looks super intentional.
That was Derek Ryan* #10, Conor Brown* #28 is an entirely different human.
I can't keep track of all the "Connors" in this series.
I've only seen Connor Brown once over the past couple weeks, I just assumed Edmonton fused them together lol
I like that he combined the two pages and calls him “Derek Brown” in the video lol
„As they were outShit“ 😂
"I think i'll use my credit card" Derek Brown to Hoglander
Derek Ryan ffs
LMFAOOOO💀💀💀
It’s Ryan ffs but either way I can’t believe he’s in the box like, “What I do.” 😂
I actually like the use of RVH in these situations where Zadorov scored. if they don't use it, there is always space to bank it in 5-hole, and going short-side below the arm is possible too. with RVH the only way to score is by putting it top corner, which requires a little more precision and means goalies only have one hole to worry about instead of two.
Be funny as if any other player did that to McDavid they would call it for 4 minutes immediately
Funny that Zadorov almost put Draisaitl out with a dirty cross check and didn't even get 2 minutes. So, the evidence says you're wrong. Congratulations.
@@LARGO125 what about nurse boarding on petterson behind the net aswell?
‘Almost’ and a completed different person, okay bud lmao
@@LARGO125Ummmm he mentioned McDavid. Not the guys you mentioned…. The evidence suggests you’re a 🤡! Congratulations!
@@LARGO125well nurse board pettersson nothing, Kane slewfoot Hughes nothing, Hyman cheap shot Hughes behind nothing, mcdavid highstick hughes nothing.. these 4 plays is worst than anything canucks did to any oilers..
Why does no one mention the take down on Mcdavid after his goal. Dangerous play and is a possible career ender.
Yes it was a trip, but you don't call those if the player scores.
Happend after the play. That gets called.
There needs to be an investigation by an independent arbiter NOT the NHL.
Cheap shots create more cheap shots . Kids learn to be cheap shots from this. Ban it.
Derek Ryan.
-these stupid refs dont know a thing-
If the refs did there jobs then players wouldn’t be so aggressive….its simple
Ummm, and just when was officiating ever great? The worst thing that ever happened, was when they added more, and now have damn near a whole line of officials getting in the way. And they claimed that they'd never miss any calls now. How'd that turn out? They miss more than ever, they are always in the way, of the puck and the players, and, they can't even pick up a broken stick, which is then always altering a play. All it was about, was creating more employment for themselves.
I like how myers pirouettes out of the mcdavid play so he can avoid being in that highlight for the rest of his life
0:32 mmh yes, my favourite hockey player: Derek Brown
that cheapshot on höglander was actually sad no man does that to another man.
It's the playoffs. He's wearing a jock he'll be ok
The officiating has been HORRIBLE. It's funny because last year, when the Oilers played Vegas, I came away hating the Golden Knights. This year, I have a lot of respect for the Canucks themselves, I just hate the refs. I do really want to know what on earth happened to lead up to that spear from Derek Ryan. He's usually very calm and is one of the last Oilers I'd ever expect to see that from.
It’s like no one has seen a missed call before. Anyone watching oilers games would see multiple missed infractions against McD nearly every game. That high stick was not malicious or intentional. Derek Ryan pulled a dirty one and should be addressed by the league.
BTW, Z’s goal was scored with too many men on the ice. Maybe too inconvenient to mention for some people pushing a narrative I guess.
Not intentional? Watch it again in slo-mo. McDavid can be seen glancing at the approaching Hughes then looks back towards the puck and lifts his stick to his face just as Hughes skates by. That was no accident.
We're NOT talking Janmark being boarded or Hyman taking a high stick to the face before McDavid? I mean, if we're going to complain, let's do all of it. McDavid SHOULD have been given a 4 minute major, but there were plenty of other calls that were missed before that happened.
I’m glad you left in “outshit” 😂😂
Brutal refs
One thing that’s become clear is that most Canucks fans have no idea how the rules work.
It’s an easy fix. If it’s a penalty in October, it’s a penalty in April/May/June. If the refs don’t want to call the penalties, don’t give them a job
This has been happening all season long. It's just highlighted in the playoffs. The Wings got screwed quite a few times this year.
That was just embarrassing for the league. The NHL needs to clean up this mess.
Even as an oilers fan im mad about that highsticking missed call
For those wondering, Derek Brown is the love child of Derek Ryan and Connor Brown (0:35)
Fun fact! The canucks have never won a game that kelly sutherland has reffed! With that being said there was 3 majors the oilers commited this game that never got called and possibly two of them could have been game misconducts. Along with about 12 other missed holding, crosschecking and hooking penatlies. And im from edmonton lol. All this says to me. The league wants this to go to 7 games.
$$$$
idk if you've tuned into the pwhl playoffs at all, but last night's Boston vs Montreal game went to 3OT and also had some reallyyyy debatable reffing. would love to see your coverage on some of these games, they're getting into some serious hockey
Absolutely brutal! The one that really sets me off is the after the fact interference call on Hoglander to even up the call after Ryan spears his nuts! Watch the ref: Hoglander checks Ryan, nothing…Ryan spears him, the ref slowly, hesitantly raises his arm. They huddle up and miraculously pull an interference call out of their corrupt behinds. WWE scripted games at this point. Sad.
Too many Missed calls both ways
That missed high stick was egregious. I get "Let 'em play!" but oooooof....
I dunno, if you watch Frame by frame you see Hughes putting himself in that situation, trying to body check Mcdavid while simultaneously going for the puck carrier, trying to do too many things at once. Mcdavid is just avoiding the check and keeps the stick at shoulder height (not high stick), if he puts the stick lower then it’s a hook, interference, or trip on Hughes. The way I see it, Hughes missed the body check, and thereby put his head too low in a high speed situation and cut himself on Mcdavid stick. So yes Hughes did that to himself.
@@Jsmith32tI get what you're saying but it's a bit of a stretch to say that isn't a high stick. He brings it straight up into his face. They're both maybe a bit low but they're both at that height for a reason-they're skating. The ref obviously agrees with you though so what do I know?
@@Jsmith32tThats a high stick 10/10 times. As the player wielding the stick, its your responsibility to keep it under control. The only exception to that rule is follow-through, but obviously thats not the case here.
Edmonton was given this game. NHL is not a real league.
If the refs called every infraction on both sides theydstill be playing game2
Game 2 was like a lawless old West shootout
Officiating in this league is always either good, or REALLY bad.
kane's slewfoot on quinn was fucking dirty, how tf was this not called??
Its fixed. Bet365, Bet99 and in on it. Plus McDavid protected just like Gretzky was.
Those are dirty plays. McDavid is reckless and that's no excuse.
If you look closely at the Florida boston series Florida has been getting the softest power plays ever while boston needs to get shot to get a call.
I feel like buying Tylenol.
It goes the same way for game one, when the oilers were in the nucks zone the puck went flying and zadorov grab the puck out of the air and threw it away infront of the ref causing them two score the two goals so its even now
Thank you for addressing this.
@@robsmith2566 learn hockey rob
People saying that the Canucks got the better end of the shit officiating when zadorovs goal had too many men on and was never called =/ GO OILERS! FUC THE CANUCKS!!!
funny because that is actually not the case, as long as the 6th guy doesnt touch the puck and isn't part of the play......it's no call.... it's literally in the rule book.
Plus, when they show the 2nd angle the puck is like 5 feet away from the guy jumping on the bench, not even close.
this is why nobody likes fucking oilers fans. Absolutely rediculous lmao, all this just to get your ass beaten in 2nd round
With the NHL and other major sports in a soixante neuf with sanctioned gambling you can expect things to only get more worser.
There were hits from behind, and high sticks on both teams. So much interference on every zone entry. Was annoying to watch then they called random shit calls like nuge "hold" and a weak interference on McDavid
The Canucks got 2 shots on net in the 3rd period. No amount of “missed calls” will change that. You Canuck fans need to understand that, A, the refs miss calls. It goes both ways. B, it’s playoff hockey, they let more stuff go to keep the game faster and more intense.
Remember when your coach got Bettman to give both teams a warning about embellishment?? (That’s a classic Tochet move btw). Well that means less calls are going to be made.
It’s ok, I understand you Canuck fans are inexperienced with the way the game is played in the Playoffs. lol
2 shots on net is ridiculous and the Canucks get the flack they deserve for it. You also need to understand that a 4 minute penalty to McDavid would have been a massive boon for the Canucks, and in a game that went to OT, that non-call made a difference.
Obviously I get refs put the whistles away for the playoffs, but whacking the Canucks captain and star defenseman in the face and getting him sent off the ice is a definitive penalty, even in the playoffs.
Not like they couldve missed it, happened about 5 feet from the puck.
Holy f**k, that was hilarious! Talking about fans and playoff experience? Do you recall the Coilers missing the playoffs for 10 straight years from 06 to 2016? Do you recall them making it once between 06 and 2019? If you are trying to brag about the Coilers from 30 years ago, sit your old ass down.
@@carletonrutherford1799 buddy, I also was a fan then and remember the 5 cup wins too. I understand how it works.
@@AL4140 So you are remembering all the way back to 30 years ago, when the Oilers were good? Really? 30 years ago is what you're still bragging about? LOL! Ok grampa.
@@carletonrutherford1799 you’re not too smart are you. The point was I’ve seen lots of playoff hockey. Successful and not. You Canuck fans are all bandwagon jumpers. So you don’t understand how much different it is compared to regular season. 🤦♂️
McJesus is not capable of sin.
No call because the NHL brass think they need McDavid to win
That Zadorov goal I saw the hit maker when he shot that
The whistles are put away this series more than in others. Be careful what you wish for because if they did call more then the Nucks wouldnt have a chance. There were missed calls both ways. If the league isnt going to call things then why wouldnt the Oilers dirty it up?
Who tf is Derek Brown, Eck? That's Derek Ryan.
Sutherland getting another game in the playoffs will be embarrassing for the league.
Yeah, check out how badly the Bruins are getting screwed in their series.
The refs in playoffs r ridiculous!? They'll not call blatantly obvious penalties that they clearly saw but then they'll go and call the weakest most ticky tack things!!? It's ridiculous!?
Penalties missed both ways, but not seeing as many cheep shots let alone ones that could cause injuries,.. and that’s the problem.
Not saying the Lindgren penalty wasn’t a penalty but in a game like that you don’t call ANYTHING all game til the last 3 minutes? That’s dog shit. These refs should have to answer to the media and the NHLPA should have representatives there to speak to them after too because they’ve been horrible on both sides for EVERY series. I watch at least one game a night and they’re awful. The Hughes high stick…. Atrocious miss
"hilarious shot of derek brown" its derek ryan, just a heads up lol
Heck honestly as an unbiased oilers fan that is bs however they did miss some things on the oilers as well so they’re just straight up bad
I prefer "out-shit" lol
Still don’t think either team is playing that great, it’ll be interesting to see which team steps it up first
Shoersy is a better ref than Kelly Sutherland
I always try to out shit myself
Wow. While watching the game, I don't remember it looking this bad. But that was brutal. They need to do a lot better for sure. I've heard that during the playoffs, the refs let a lot more slide, but Jesus, there's got to be some officiating during these games. C'mon. Having said all of that, GO OILERS GO!!!
The calls were not going either way. Zadorovs goal should not have counted bc of too many men.
Cant cry, the refs have been terrible to everyone
LOL! WTF was Myers doing on that McDavid goal? Dude did a f**king pirouette!! He really isn't a very good d-man.
Did Kelly Sutherland not learn anything from Chris Lee?
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Oilers fan. Garbage refs so far in the series. This is bush league officiating.
Look how low hughes is… that wasnt a high stick…
The second half of the game was wave after wave of Oilers lines keeping the puck in the Vancouver zone.
McDavid and McBlood don't mix.
I guess.
Goal tending has gotten stupid.
remember the HAND PASS?? Refs did.
Derek Brown is my favourite player on the Oilers
My favourite player on the Canucks is Zadorov. How is McDavid's back feeling? Or his face? Thanks Soucy. ROFLMAO!