Destiny 2 Lore - The Shadows Of Yor (Part 2) Shin’s master plan! The secret of Dredgen Vale!
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- Destiny 2 has expanded on the lore and story of Shin Malphur and the Shadows of Yor. In this video I’ll be talking about Dredgen Vale’s darkest secret & Shin’s master plan!
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Imagine the Bungie employee who sat down and pitched, "Bear with me guys... what if the greatest western we ever told in Destiny had a meaning deeper than anything that you could do in game?"
“So it all starts with two guns and 3 damn great men”
Well 2 great men and a monster
Atimus Xanth not really
@@grahamrafferty5969 yor was a monster. He may have had good intentions but he still was consumed by hive magic and did bad shit. He may wasn't completely evil and more of an anti hero but he's not at all a hero
@@anthonyargueta131 he wasnt a monster at first. He was a hero. It wasnt until he accidentally turned Rose into Thorn that things went downhill
The ultimate destiny plot twist, has the ultimate destiny plot twist within it.
God I love these freaking writers...
You should see the new lore for the Lumina quest. We going down the rabbit hole boi.
It actually broke me
Just wait til you discover books!
Hey guys , what do you call a bus full of dredgens?
An edge transit
If I’m perceiving this pun correctly not only is it underrated...but damn is it clever
10/10 well done you magnificent bastard 😂
...take your like and get out.
💯points to Gryffindor tbh
@@LilNika117 more like Slytherin
Shin's dialogue feels so different now that stasis exists
“My name is Dredgen Vale”
Me: *rewinds video*
“My name is Dredgen Vale”
Me: *pauses video* WTF!!!
Litterally me when I first watched this when the video came out
Same as me
Dude same
Did they just pull off a Keysor Soze?
same!
Byf could read recipes out of a cookbook and make it sound epic as heck.
He kinda sorta did that (drifter meme) lol!
First, you add a cup... of milk. Then comes a fist full of flour. Of purest white.
I agree hole heartily, we should make a request on his discord
Now it very well could happen
This whole lore reveal just kinda turned my views on Season of the Drifter around. I’m not much for Gambit, but damn if they didn’t knock it out of the park on the lore.
I'm with Shin on this. Guardians need to adapt to face the coming storm if they are to win. The man definitely has my respect and trust as a result of all that he has done.
Fl4shpoint0 The more I learn about the lore, the more I regret aiding with the vanguard
@@jzimmy7151 same 😔 I just wish you'd get like a second chance to choose who you want to side with.
@@crimsoneastwood1787 make a new account I guess
@@nolaninger3942 naw, i chose drifter on my hunter
I think that if you sided with the Drifter, you will see that Shin has wounded the Drifter and then you get to choose to either side with Shin and then you kill the Drifter or If you stick with the Drifter
Could you imagine the amount of seasons Bungie could squeeze out if they had a Netflix series? How many movies they could create from the lore? If they did this shit right, they could very well turn Destiny into the "Star Wars" of tomorrow.
The Books of Sorrow can be 1 or 2 seasons
The Dark Age can be 1
City age 1
Age of Light can be 1
So too with Age of Loss and age of darkness
@@Corvaric Right. I think the books of sorrow should be mixed into a Hive saga as a whole, y'know? Pretty much have a Taken king saga (showing events that weren't seen in the game) but kinda doing flashbacks to the creation of who the Hive are today.
The Golden age -> dark age would be a good transition to see too. I'd also love to see the conflicts between the iron lords and warlords.
@@TheForbiddenOne55 Felwinter
Destiny: The Taken King, The Movie. I would pay good money to see that
It already is in my mind but gosh whenever this game has an ending, they need to make a tv series based DIRECTLY from the Lore books
The light is far too bright to always walk, eventually you will burn. The shadow is too dark and before too long, you will turn. I'll walk in the shade and balance the two, and I shall not fade.
Mad Lad i shed a tear, so beautiful
Poetry without cliches
Rhyming is actually cliche but still good poetry
Mad Lad I’ll walk neither. I walk the One, the Convergence!
Shout out to all who get reference
Same
Schemes so deep that Savathûn would be proud.
“So I ask you, are you up to the task?
*Or have I risked everything I’ve struggled to build up on a hero who is not yet ready to become legend?”*
Admittedly there were chills
The fact that they used "Become Legend," the tagline for the whole series, as a part of the lore is beyond amazing. Remember when we were all worried the season of the Drifter would just be some boring Gambit expansion?
@@calebhughes975 For real. I expected to get some background on the Drifter and that's it. But between the Invitations of the Nine and the new lore books, I'm definitely not disappointed in how much story we actually got.
MinusculeSun This season is probably going to be the most lore filled. The fact that we’re getting grey guardians *now* surprises me. I was expecting that to wait until Destiny 3.
Man, using Become Legend, the phrase they used to sell the original Destiny game. That was amazing man
The greatest part of Destiny Lore...the tale of the man with the golden gun...of Dredgen Yor and Shin Malphur... of The Thorn and The Last Word....just became a million times GREATER
I'm sure everybody says this but dude you make me feel so cool to be a guardian, every single video I'm just so glad to be a part of this community! Thank you for all you do!
Shin Malphur: "We work in the dark to serve the light".....
So..... so he's an assassin? 😮 mind blown
Or an Electrician,
@@nightfall6-418 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice
He works for the scp foundation
Man is scp 682 sent to the world of destiny
*Ulan Tan laughing from the grave
*laughs in Symmetrist*
From the grove* huehuehue
Vernon Roche I’m quite certain
He's become one with the Force, I mean the Gray.
@Vernon Roche Gwent
Fucking AMAZING my man. Your choice of BGM for the reveal gave me goosebumps.
Do you know what is the name of the piece of music? I'm desperate to find it
That revelation actually took me by surprise. This gave me a such better perspective of shin from this point
"Too much of a good thing can make you sick."
I don’t know, I’ve been listening to Byf for over 7 hours now and I feel like I know everything
Okay let me get this straight
We are Saint 14’s inspiration
Basically Shin Malphur’s inspiration now
Who’s next?
who knows maybe Osiris next
Hunters have shin/cayde, titans have saint 14/zavala and warlocks either have roland or osiris and ikora.
Probably Toland.
He went a little...crazy. Maybe we can real him back a tad.
More like Shin's hope, he's testing us and gambling everything he's worked on so far in hopes that we're powerful enough to walk the path between light and dark
@@scxrl3tk1ng35 did you just write roland. Hes called Toland
I always thought of such a choice. And I have made MY choice long ago...
Shadows always were the Light within the Dark... and the Dark within the Light... The path of grey...
This really adds new meaning to the quote “The line between Light and Dark is so very thin... Do you know which side Your on?”
Let's cross it together.
Always on the side of light, but I'll have no problem using darkness to aid the light
Ben Wittel since I thought they’d just repeat it, I got chills when she said let’s cross it together
Yoooo, shin just played us all like a damn fiddle
TrueBeachBoy 5d chess and we are the next grandmaster
Like a cumstain violin
Two things: as we have learned from Mara Sov, when light rises, darkness swells to meet it. So as we become powerful so will our enemy. Maybe by walking the tightrope of grey, we can actually bring a celestial conflict to a halt. Maybe not by vanquishing our enemy, but by making them, less dangerous. Maybe not a friend. But not so threatening. However. What world comes out of the most powerful beings in the universe embracing the very thing that caused multiple extinction level events. On the other hand, does that even count as winning? Would it be better, for us to lose, as we hold our ground fighting as our morals and principles demand us to?
If guardians bring an end to the fight of light and dark by blending them into a grey, we would become, not guardians of humanity. But guardians of the universe, constantly rebalancing the scales so the conflict never rises again.
I'm of the opinion that our principles are simply wrong if they get us wiped out. As far as I'm concerned, I'm already walking in the shadows with my Thorn. It seems to me that the smartest move is to blend the better aspects of both light and dark to better protect humanity.
Stalemate can be victory, maybe by just giving life after life to hold back the Traveler and the Darkness we would win. By not letting them become strong
Our ultimate sacrifice will be to be hated by everyone, to save the universe
Just wanna give you this notification in light of new story stuff 👍
I just realized the dreadnought is in that ending cutscene of the vanilla campaign
They have been cock teasing that for some time now lol
I don’t know about anyone else, but I really want Bungie to continue the Concordant lore from D1
Oh defiantly
The what?
Agreed
@@wolfemperor_n112 lore plebian
WolfMaster The Concordat was a guardian faction of the Consensus led by an individual named Lysander. At some point they attempted to overthrow the Speaker and the Consensus. They were defeated at Bannerfall by the New Monarchy and as such were exiled from the Last City. Their exile also lead to their spot in the Consensus being replaced by the FWC.
It’s unknown what happened to the Concordat since then but most people doubt that they simply disbanded. They’re most likely plotting a revenge.
I AM ABSOULYELY SHOOK
I've been on a week long binge of your Destiny Lore videos to fill in the gaps that I've missed between Forsaken, Shadowkeep and Beyond Light and THIS BY FAR, BAR NONE, HAS ME UTTERLY SHOOK. I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING. What a beautiful addition to the subtle buildup for us guardians to wield Light and Dark powers in the upcoming expansions. These writers have amazed me, and YOU-- MY GOOD MAN-- ARE A LORE GOD
So Shin believes in being "perfectly balanced, as all things should be"? :P
Shin =thanos confirmed
Yes. To weild the darkness for the light. To become grey
31:53 at this point, I can see a fire team fighting off the Darkness in a movie trailer with that music and Byf’s voice over it, ending with the Fireteam walking through smoke and I’m sure it would be my favourite movie ever.
you know what music is that?? i need to know
Seeing this after playing Shadowkeep makes me realize one key truth: The Darkness knows and laughs at us and our small efforts to understand it.
4:16 He has a plan, Bismarck always has a plan, wait, that's not right
This comment deserves extra credit
Biggest plot twist of all: Shin Malphur is Walpole
but why let a dead father figure get in the way of embracing a good weapon of sorrow?
My head has blown as bright as our cleansing fire througg all that stray the path...... I love Shin even more now, thank you Byf for this new knowledge
As a hunter, I’m in infinite awe of Shin and hope to walk the gray as a Dredgen and a defender of humanity as he does throughout my days as a Risen
"It's not simply a question of 'good' and 'evil', it's about fighting fire with fire... it's about taking the power of the enemy... and turning it on itself."
- Illidan Stormrage
I just want to appreciate 30:11 the way the dialogue pauses, and the video and music match each other. Almost to make the point about a Hunter veiling themselves in shadows to destroy evil.
This definitely points towards some sort of Darkness powers in D3.
I'm calling it: there will be a Dredgen subclass at least for Hunters.
It might not even be that late.
It's already been leaked by a very reliable source that there will be Darkness classes in D3, so you are correct.
@@sinroyal7351 not really very reliable
@@scxrl3tk1ng35 Anon the nine has been correct on everything he has leaked so far. 100% seems pretty reliable to me
Shin: I belive in you.
Me with Dredgen seal....
My jaw stayed open after hearing about shin. That shit is nuts. This was amazing Byf, with each video that comes out I feel more n more proud to be a gaurdian and part of this community. This just makes me feel awesome tbh.
Literally gave me chills. You’re narration is second to none Byf
First shadow born first to clam the name Dredgen
Clam
@@prometheuslens9387 no fact
Dredgen Clam
Shin Malphur is the next Dutch Vanderlin with his plans
10:59 so Drifter aka Dredgen Hope was a snitch himself, aye? Hehehe that's rich
That's partially why I stood with the Vanguard. A man like the Drifter always plays both sides, always does that which he despises, always betrays. Maybe I have learned something from the Drifter, because the very act of working with him and then reporting to Aunor is almost like putting to practice the lessons we've learned from him. One knife pointed in each direction.
(Dramatic? Yes, but I've been watching a lot of Byf's videos lately.)
@@josefzalusky7307 Lol that's actually brilliant 😂. Use his own tactics against him. A "no honor amongst thieves" type of deal 🤣🤣
And he dared to call me a snitch
Well technically yes, but... no. Since Shin was Vale, he already knew but idk if the Drifter knew that
A lot of destruction is on it’s way. The tower could still be standing after THE attack but casualties would be there. Dredgen is just the first stage to darkness. The ships are the final stage and there are more risks than good. Every Titan, every warlock, every hunter; all fighting off the darkness to keep the city safe while the vanguard and drifter would be watching everything happen and guardians fall.
Great video Byf 👍👍lore is one thing I like about the Destiny universe.
Edit: you may speak your language but I speak TANK!!!
Sorry had to as your tank video was right below this video on the home tab. The only “Sounds like a YOU problem” video that you’ve made is your lore one.
I just clicked off of my music, that is how important this video is to me
The Flaming Maniac same tho
Same
I stopped making dinner for this
BEHIND A VEIL OF SHADOWS IN A BED OF ROSES BABY
Damnnn love that one nice
Every rose has a thorn
Better than a bed of thorns
Your name makes me think you're the singer of an folk-funk-jazz band.
Tim Montez it’s my motto for my music thing. Pretty funny but it fits
I think that to face the Dark, and survive, we cannot be only like the Traveler. Even with all of its powerful light, it was still crippled by the Darkness after their fight. We would end up the same or, most likely, worse since we as Guardians are only able to wield pieces of the Traveler's light. But if we can become more, to be able to use light and dark, than there is a fighting chance that the extinction of humanity can be overturned.
If we can be balanced, we can become more than both the Traveler and the Darkness could *ever* be.
We can become what they literally cannot be: *both Light and Dark.*
I say this not being sure if the Traveler or the Darkness can use the exact powers of the other, but from what I can tell they are opposites in every way, even down to their shape. Thus, to rise above the fight of Light and Dark, we have to try to walk that difficult and very thin gray line.
Okay, but The Traveler also kept The Darkness back. You think it stopped moving in of its own volition? I highly doubt it.
The Traveler was crippled because it KILLED the Darkness's god. Which is probably why the darkness left too. (Course that assumes whatever lore videos I was watching were correct)
We used the sword logic to defeat the hive, so we might use the darker powers to beat the darkness
I loved this. Being a fan of this story in Destiny's lore for a few years gave me such excitement to hear about this. I love your content byf, keep it coming!
Whoever writes and has written this story of shin, yor, the drifter, etc deserves so much credit for their amazing storytelling. Thank you for telling their stories to us Byf
You're the man! Thank you for all of the great content!
Thanks byf love your videos
My favorite story in Destiny, just got the biggest plot twist. #MINDBLOWN. And your delivery of it...Masterpiece! When you listed Shin's names, it gave me goosebumps and chills. Thank you so much for this upload.
Goosebumps! Great storytelling as always!
If these new dark powers keep me from floofing off cliffs then yeah count me in
I think my light will be enough, it hasn't let me down yet.
Lol
"Too much of a good thing can make you sick."
I presume you've been a guardian since d2 and haven't played the first one?
@@F0XHunter Been a guardian since D1 demo.
@@aidanthornton173 then you would know that we have used the darkness before
My right hand wields The Last Word. My left, wields Thorn. And I fight in the shade. ;)
Brilliant! Byf, as always, you never fail to amaze in your long lore deep-dives
What if you
Wanted to go to heaven
But god said
"Alright, alright, alright"
Hive bring a sword
Dazed and confused
Transmat firing
Let’s see what we’re fighting today!
WHAT?!
WHAT?!
WHAT?!
It is too early in the morning for my mind to be this blown. AHHHH
By far my favorite video you have done! I have goose bumps from everything I heard! Well put together, well said and I can't believe how good it was!!
I've waited a long time for Byf to cover this amazing bit of lore. I was not disappointed. Still hit just as hard as the first time.
I wont give up on destiny. I refuse to
Me niether brother. You ready to walk that thin line?
Called it we are going to walk the thin line between light and dark
D3 already has essentially confirmed Darkness Subclasses...I'm so hyped to see where the story goes
Well, it hasn't exactly been subtle before now. I wonder if there was a conversation in the writing room where they decided to start hammering on it fairly early instead of making it easier to miss so fewer people would be surprised later on.
@@AlhazredsGamingGoo I'm talking way back when I made theories about light and dark being just tools
@@redbandit6277 you arent the only one saying the sky was blue. Alot of people said hell even in d1 a cutscene got datamined where our guardians gets envloped in darkness.
@@scxrl3tk1ng35 I never said that I was the first person to have this theory I just said I called it (way to strawman my eureka moment)
Fantastic work as always, MNB. Thanks for all the hard work and dedication.
Another amazing Lore video Byf. Keep up the great work I can't get enough of your Videos!
"You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain." Harvey Dent from The Dark Knight.
As a great man once said and as for my own answer
"We work in the darkness to serve the light"
Ezio auditore!
What another fantastic video mr byf, the production, the script, the way you brought the story to light beginning to end. 37 mins FLEW by. Bravo
I’m so happy that you make these because I usually can’t get around to reading lore cards and would have never known any of this. Thank you
Fun fact: shadows are pieces of darkness that are created by light. Mind blown right
In that case wouldnt that mean the traveler created the darkness?
@@gabrielhill4460 in a way he did because the universe needs to stay in balance. So if the traveler is pure light then the darkness need to be created to balance it. So in a way yes. But shadows are the gray area where a little bit of light and dark make something else. Thats why drifter is so strong he balances both. And why are guardian is too.
Makes sense lol
Ok dude no need to blow my mind like that
The amount of story bungie has put into this game is absolutely amazing
im just picturing shin in a fake mustache walking up to random groups of guardians being like "boy wielding the darkness sure is pretty great huh guys" and seeing how the respond
I was totally not expecting my titan to follow the path of the dredgen. But here I am, dancing in the grey.
Great video again, Byf. I'm actually listening to this one again because of the choices my titan has made as a sort of reflection on the philosophy behind the shadows of yor and their true goals, as well as the revelations that came from the invitations of the 9. In any case, keep up the good work!
B-but.. we're Saint's inspiration. My man Saint CANNOT be okay with this
Perhaps he admired us because the balance that we bring
Agreed
@@F0XHunter Nope, I think because of the success we had, irrelevant of the means. This reminds me of SWTOR Where in a conversation with Darth Marr (a member of the Dark council, rulers of the Sith empire) He admired my Characters commitment to the empire, despite my light sided nature, and trusted him better than any other sith in the Dark council.
SAINT TRUSTS US then I'll trust his judgment of myself
@@thewarlock539 YES! Darth marr was one of the few who knew being sith didnt mean being a psychopath
Ah, the old Switcharoo
I LOVE LISTENING TO THESE LORE VIDEOS MAN!!!!! BYF KILLS IT. BEEN A FAN SINCE THE BOOKS OF SORROW.
omg that was a hell of a ride. started with yor and shin this morning now i am here and i have to say. Thank you byf. thaks for staying strong. thanks for giving us these shit tons of information. this was an inspiration, "dance in gray" might be my new motto xD
I’ll consider it, but I shall only wield the dark if there is no other option.
Or if there’s lore to be found
"Too much of a good thing can make you sick."
@@michaelhenry3234 There is no such thing as "too much of a good thing", only a lack of self awareness.
@@vaevictus4637 Potassium is good for you, but eating too much will poison you and kill you.
The Jews believed Gods holiness was good but dangerous to humanity, hence they oversaw rituals before ever entering the inner sanctum of a tabernacle so that they might be spared from death.
Fire is good because it kickstarted human advancement. We could cook our food with it, see in the dark, use it to scare animals... However, fire can easily burn you.
Water is a necessity for human life. But did you know there's such a thing as water poisoning? It's where you drink far too much water for your body to handle.
The Sun seeds the world with energy. It provides plants with their energy, which is eaten by herbivores, which is distributed to the rest of the ecosystem, including us. The Sun is what allowed life to flourish on this planet. Yet stay in it too long and you may get sun burned or even worse, you may develop skin cancer.
(And in case you're not aware, I was quoting Mara Sov, so this concept is directly relevant to Light and Dark.)
Or good loot
And an exotic weapon
That feel when you find out that Blessious becomes evil.
Destiny's back story and lore just keeps getting better and better! So good and now I have a reason in game to appreciate both light and dark wielded in balance! Keep up the amazing videos as always byf.
I love these longer lore videos. It seems like you are able to really put a lot lf quality into them. Great stuff
I think I know why Dregen Bane is researching the Weapons of Sorrow. He's used to fighting the servants of the Dark and the Light. Neither of them fear death, so their punishment must be more severe.
I'll see myself out.
Shin aka the man with the golden gun, Dregen Vale and a litttttttllllee crazy maybe
Not crazy, brilliant. Created the Shadows of Yor to thin the "Guardians" that would fall to total darkness while to trying to use the Darkness to make Guardians even more powerful for the coming war.
Oh I won't deny that but at some point he might have gotten a few bolts loose in his head cause man does he have a slight obbsesion with Yor. I mean he hunted him down after he became a guardian then like in not even a year he's trying to replicate thorn or something I don't remember the exact timeline after he went overkill on Yor
Another amazing video! Thanks Byf for helping us understand this journey that we’re on!
Yup. 3rd listen and still got goosebumps. Youre a gem byf.
Wow, that was dense. So, basically, Shin managed to kill Yor for wielding both light and darkness. He then made the Dredgen Vale persona in contrast to Shin Malphur to enforce this duality and to be able to confront easily corruptable/tempted Guardians by darkness. Then he proceeds to give our Guardian access to both The Last Word and Thorn to test if we are also ready to do the same and get stronger for the future conflicts in D3.
It's CONTENT like this that makes me WANT to play again. I've been bored this month so I haven't played but oof. Love me some good lore
If only TLW and Thorn didn't have PvP stuff to do...
I was originally gonna go full darkness but this kinda changed my mind
Thank you Byf! This was the coolest piece of lore ever, made even better by your narration.
Holy traveler this was sooooo good Great Job BYF 👏👏👏👏👏 I’m a subscriber for life.
My bullets are sin, my weapon is sorrow.
37 minutes?
Well better grab some food
Jesus byf. Your narration makes me shiver. You are a blessing to destiny lore. Thank you.
What a great video byf. Was great to see you in combat in gambit and with this kind of story telling this should be the main story so many good stories coming from the drifter and shin
Don’t worry, I got a plan.
Ok Shaxx Van Der Linde
Lmao
As long as we've got the Man, the Myth, the Crucible with us, we can't lose
light = lawful good
darkness = chaotic evil
shin = not even on the chart
Shin is the true game master.
Great video byf loves it
Incredible video byf
Shin is hidden by a...Vale
Holy fuck! My mind is legitimately blown.
Still, I can't help but notice how, as much as Shin preaches the value of walking between Light and Dark, Darkness is still only regarded as a "tool"; a means to an end, yet the Light is not also described as a tool. It IS the end. In that regard, the balance between Light and Dark isn't quite so equal, not when the Light is regarded as a Guardian's purpose, and the Darkness as a tool in furtherance of that purpose. It is why Shin is critical of Guardians who only cling to the Light as if they are depriving themselves of a powerful tool to aid the purpose they cling so stubbornly to.
And yet, all of this is born out of doubt, fear, that Light alone isn't enough. That Light alone will lose to Darkness. The Nine seem to have a similar fear, hence their level of involvement in our plane of existence through indirect aid in order to safeguard their existence that is intertwined with ours. Mara Sov also shares similar doubt and initial ambivalence towards choosing a side.
But what if Shin was wrong? What if the Light alone IS enough? Because where Shin's philosophy is founded upon doubt, I would counter that a belief in Light alone, a philosophy of hope, is stronger than one built on doubt. Hope is humanity's greatest superpower, and yet the doubters see such hope as folly. So in this regard, just as Shin burns away the corruption, there is an additional layer to this purification, in cleansing the ranks of Guardians of its doubters, naysayers, the ones who lose hope in the face of the Dark abyss, the ones who are no longer "Brave." Bravery acts in spite of fear, not in reaction to it, and there is a difference.
Shin may believe that he's leading Guardians down a path to the next stage of their evolution as a shade of gray, but I would counter by saying that those who do not follow that path, those who remain steadfast in the Light, may end up the stronger of the two, because they are guided by hope and a belief in themselves. They know their self-worth and do not discount themselves in a need to become "more." Sure, Shin might respond by saying that such faith could be considered as naivety or arrogance, but the Deadly Sin of Pride is but a bastardized, corrupted form of what is otherwise something good: Self-Confidence, sustained by the unwavering power of hope.
Shin offers a very interesting philosophy geared towards evolving the Guardians into the kind of heroes capable of withstanding the full power of Darkness itself, but if the motto of Guardians is to "Be Brave," I have to wonder how a philosophy predicated on doubt and fear could ever be worthy of being called "Brave."
This was absolutely amazing
Byf this was awesome!