Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics book 8 | Three Types of Friendship | Philosophy Core Concepts
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This is a video in my new Core Concepts series -- designed to provide students and lifelong learners a brief discussion focused on one main concept from a classic philosophical text and thinker.
This Core Concept video focuses on Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics bk 8 (and 9) discussions of three main types of friendship -- friendship in terms of good character or virtue, which is friendship in the fullest sense -- friendship based on pleasure -- and friendship based on usefulness. We explore the differences between these kinds of friendship, why friendships of pleasure or usefulness are less durable, and whether a bad person can be a friend or not.
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Yes, there's definitely a lot more to be explored about this than what we see in Aristotle's own treatment
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Just wanted to say thank you so much for your videos. Currently in the final year of my degree and doing a 7000 word essay on Aristotle's account of friendship, but all the way through my degree your videos have been indispensable. Really clear and engaging explanations, thank you!
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Thanks for the upload! It's rare that I find the exact material I was looking for (a intelligent philosophical discussion/deconstruction of friendship) so easily when it's so specific. Will definitely check out your other video's.
In my introduction to philosophy playlist, you'll find some other videos touching on friendship
Thank you for the upload. I enjoyed it.
Well, from Aristotle's point of view, either pleasure or usefulness.
One can take pleasure from those who are good at something, though not good people.
Or one might want something from them as well
As to the first, definitely Yes. That would be one of the "unequal" friendships Aristotle does talk about, but doesn't really explain in much detail.
You're right that memory can be a source of pleasure. But, the memory of a pleasure is not quite the same as the pleasure itself. And the memory of usefulness is just that, a memory, not particular useful
They're certainly living a life that is much more oriented towards their body than their mind -- and its one mainly of exertion, constraint, and following their trainer's orders.
This makes so much sense to me. Another example of utility frienship that I have found are neighbors. We have that kind of friendship where we utilize each other's help, but I'm sure if one of use moves out, that's the end of it lol. Thank you for your video, very thorough and concise.
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This is really interesting and a good lecture keep up the good work
Well, in 1, it's not a friendship in terms of moral goodness/virtue, now is it?
In 2 -- putting aside the question of whether the moral everyman actually has courage (I certainly doubt that!) -- you could be friends with such a person in terms of moral goodness/virtue
thank you sir, very helpful
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For the second part, I thought a friendship involving pleasantness could be made more reliable if those memories, brought out by merely being with them, were also taken pleasantly and associated uniquely with them. Although, I could also see the opposite happening with a wrong event which tarnishes each new experience by painting it with the past.
Or, people setting friendships up with a level of fecundity that isn't necessarily equal. The dynamics seem interesting.
I have a question: what's the problem with your students? Are they shy? Are they uninterested (rethoric question, because they wouldn't be there if that's the case)? It kinda pisses me off when you ask a really good question and nobody says something or you have to call them out to have an answer...
Must be tough, if watching a video and not hearing student responses pisses you off
What does Aristotle says about the athletes? Are they considered as living a concious life compared to profesionists? Because they are using their phisycal capacity to achieve things and maybe not much their intellect compared to a professor or an educated individual
do you know Dr. Mark Sadler? I just thought I'd ask for reasons I feel would be obvious to both of us
Sadler is not my original family name. I'm not related to any other Sadlers
Could the more virtuous person attempt to foster the friendship, cultivating character into something more noble? If friends had goodwill towards one another, I could definitely see them mutually bettering eachother -- Or even prevent potential degradation of character
It seems that the pleasant feelings friends bring could also be relived through memories, like nostalgia, so that maybe strict reduction in present-pleasantness may not necessarily push someone away.
honest, very sincere question: how can a friendship be so great that it evolves into romantic attraction? why can't our emotions continue to view a relationship as a friendship?
That happens all the time, and if the people are mature and developed enough to handle it, that can be quite good.
Not sure what you're asking about in terms of emotions
what I'm saying that viewing a friendship in a more romantic way isn't voluntary, and I blame emotions because I don't know what else would be responsible for a change in liking someone
If a friendship develops into an intimate relationship, isn't it no longer a friendship?
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