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Komentáře • 323

  • @NameExplain
    @NameExplain  Před měsícem +152

    Happy Pride!

  • @richardmiller9883
    @richardmiller9883 Před měsícem +39

    Arguing against the grammaticalness of singular they is convincing, until you remember "you".

    • @Uulfinn
      @Uulfinn Před měsícem +12

      I would be in favor of using thou again.

    • @im.empimp
      @im.empimp Před měsícem +5

      I'm grateful that we've gathered around a gender-neutral pronoun, but I absolutely hate that we don't have distinct singular and plural words for they and you. I personally use you and y'all for the later, but I'm not aware of a such an alternative for singular and plural they.

    • @droebitiuseri3669
      @droebitiuseri3669 Před měsícem +2

      So instead of getting a new word for "you"? We're making our pronouns even more confusing?

    • @namewithay
      @namewithay Před měsícem +4

      @@droebitiuseri3669 You already know how to use singular they. "oh no. someone lost their wallet. i hope they find it!" "you got a phone call. oh, what did they say?". just do that.

  • @PugalshishOfficial
    @PugalshishOfficial Před měsícem +62

    "Mankind" came into being at a time when "man" did not mean male, it was only over hundreds of years of speaking that "man" eventually meant a male. It's like how in German there is "mann" and "man". "Mann" means things like husband and man, but "man" means "one" as in "one should not do that".

    • @f.u.m.o.5669
      @f.u.m.o.5669 Před měsícem

      Mann? Literally a TF2 reference

    • @Uulfinn
      @Uulfinn Před měsícem +5

      It's the same with latin hominem. In latin, it meant any human person. In the romance languages, its derivations can mean a human or a male.

    • @laser8389
      @laser8389 Před měsícem +1

      Partly correct. In English, man = male human is from Germanic roots, man = human comes from Latin.

    • @Uulfinn
      @Uulfinn Před měsícem

      @@laser8389 manns, the germanic root of man, meant human. Guman and weraz were germanic roots that meant male. The wer- in werewolf and world means male and is cognate with latin vir, also meant male.

  • @smultronpojke4010
    @smultronpojke4010 Před měsícem +141

    Singular they is older than singular you, just saying

    • @DragonTheOneDZA
      @DragonTheOneDZA Před měsícem +11

      Oh yeah. It's because we had a Tu Vous thing like french
      One is informal the other is formal... And also plural for some reason

    • @quiestinliteris
      @quiestinliteris Před měsícem +10

      ​@@DragonTheOneDZA Like, the "royal we" is still a thing... in the increasingly rare situations where relevant. I wonder if formal plurals are intended to make the individual "more" than.

    • @droebitiuseri3669
      @droebitiuseri3669 Před měsícem

      Appeal to tradition

    • @C_B_Hubbs
      @C_B_Hubbs Před měsícem +1

      Thou hast made a good point.

    • @jensphiliphohmann1876
      @jensphiliphohmann1876 Před 28 dny

      ​@@C_B_Hubbs
      Too bad that the old forms have almost been forgotten.

  • @DrunkenHotei
    @DrunkenHotei Před měsícem +48

    _"If people want to use 'they' as a singular pronoun, they're going to do it; regardless of what professional linguists might think on the matter."_
    To be clear, the consensus among linguists has been _descriptive_ rather than _prescriptive_ for at least a solid century now. Linguists today are on the vanguard concerning the theory of language as something that is fundamentally "arbitrary" and *_cannot_* be restrained by something like a style guide.
    The main point of such standardization in any language is not to teach the language (for which I freely admit it can be useful to an extent, particularly when teaching an L2), but rather to reinforce class division and the superiority of those wealthy enough to have time and access to the expensive books, schools, and teachers that were necessary to be aware of them at all.
    Now that this information is free to all and at the tip of one's fingers through the Internet, trying to cling to style guides as authorities on what language usage is "correct" like before seems downright malicious and quixotic.

    • @em_the_bee
      @em_the_bee Před měsícem +1

      My dude, people have been using language to distinguish between groups for a long time, and they still keep doing it everywhere. A single emoji can make the difference between perceiving you as a goofy weird boomer or as a cool and hip twitter activist or whatever is cool with kids these days. And some people think of you negatively if you use punctuation and proper capitalisation in texting.
      Like, if you're not a car mechanic and you try to pretend to be one, another mechanic can figure it out just by listening to how you use jargon.
      There's nothing shocking or revelatory about the fact that groups of rich people do the same thing. It'd be weird if they didn't. And it really doesn't qualify as THE reason behind language education. Humans are pretty good at analysing someone's language, they don't really need to artificially force language changes for that.

  • @briandash1351
    @briandash1351 Před měsícem +21

    I'm surprised you don't note the predominant historical "singular they" usage: cases where the gender is unknown, as in a far off figure. Using the singular "they" as gender-neutral, suggests that the gender of the individual is unknown to the speaker. There are cases where the hearer is confused because they may otherwise think that the speaker *should* know the referent's ('s) identity. "Wait, didn't you even know ?"
    It is especially notable that in sentences relating interactions between a single person and a group, listeners rely on the singular/plural distinction to keep the actions of the 2 parties straight.

  • @metsfan1873
    @metsfan1873 Před měsícem +21

    That's not Virginia on your map. That's West Virginia. Virginia is the big thing to West Virginia's southeast.

  • @zimsuk
    @zimsuk Před měsícem +8

    And the swedish has ‘hen’ as a combination of ‘han’ (he) and ‘hun’ (she) and is used widely as a gender nutural pronoun

    • @metallsnubben
      @metallsnubben Před měsícem

      Are you Norwegian/Danish? Cause I think they spell it "hun" but in Swedish it's actually "hon"! It's also interesting that we kinda borrowed "hen" from the Finnish pronoun "hän", where they just straight up don't have gendered pronouns, and it also fits very nicely with "sounding like a pronoun" in Swedish (since y'know, you keep the "h-n" part of the others).
      What's a bit trickier is what the other forms should be (the "him/her" and "his/hers" equivalents) since it's like "han - honom - hans" and "hon - henne - hennes". I think what's usually used is "hen - henom - hens" but they're not as clearly "right in the middle" as switching out the vowel in the base forms!

  • @dania201
    @dania201 Před měsícem +5

    In American English we’ve been using it my whole life, at least in urban areas, to denote a general third-person singlar. As in “Looks like someone forgot their jacket” or “If somebody gets lost, just give them my number.”

  • @theconqueringram5295
    @theconqueringram5295 Před měsícem +31

    "Who's 'THEY'?! What the Hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
    -Emperor Palpatine

  • @frenchfriar
    @frenchfriar Před měsícem +7

    If we can use "you" for both singular and plural, there's no good reason not to use "they" as both singular & plural.
    It's prrfectly inderstood, and people often default to it without thinking about it.
    Im all for singular "they".

    • @sillybrainz..
      @sillybrainz.. Před 28 dny +1

      Id argue the singular and plural they is easier to understand with context than the singular and plural you. Ive mixed up the singular and plural you due to literally forgetting the plural you even exists, and I wouldn’t be shocked if countless people have done the same. As you said, tons of people default to the singular they, it would most likely be harder to forget the two theys than the two yous.
      Im all for the singular they too. Singular they for the win 🔥🔥🔥

  • @amilgz
    @amilgz Před měsícem +8

    As a romance language speaker, singular they vs. plural they is as “non-sense” as singular you vs. plural you. I really don't understand how some English speakers can accept singular you and plural you without problem and consider a “gramatical error” the use of singular they.
    We in Galician have a tougher time in order to use gender-neutral language. We use “elu” for neutral singular pronoun and “elus” for neutral plural pronoun. And we have to use the -e mark because all of our words are either masculine ou feminine. You can say “my friend”, with we have to say “o meu amigo” (masculine), “a minha amiga” (feminine) or “ê minhe amigue” (neutral).
    So what I mean is: Just use the singular they and stop complaining! And happy pride! 🌈

    • @BrayanGonzalez-jj4gv
      @BrayanGonzalez-jj4gv Před měsícem

      You did forget "you all" plural
      and "you" singular.
      They have no any alternative for those cases, it can generate ambiguity so problematic even more that not include all genders.

    • @BrayanGonzalez-jj4gv
      @BrayanGonzalez-jj4gv Před měsícem

      pd: obviously "you" is singular and plural.

  • @rosiefay7283
    @rosiefay7283 Před měsícem +3

    5:38 Generic "he" doesn't depend on "default male thinking". If someone used generic "he", they might defend it similarly to how you defend singular "they": that "he" has two meanings, one male, one generic.

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před měsícem

      Then why is male generic and female not🤔🤔🤔? There's no explanation outside of default male thinking.

    • @jensphiliphohmann1876
      @jensphiliphohmann1876 Před 28 dny

      ​@@burner555
      Male forms are often shorter, especially in German. A teacher is either a 'Lehrer' (m) or a 'Lehrerin' (f) which would translate as 'teacheress'.
      Instead of writing 'Leher:innen' when teachers in general are meant, I'd rather use 'Leheriche' if someone explicitly means a group of male teachers.

  • @Lord_Skeptic
    @Lord_Skeptic Před měsícem +4

    They can also be used as a gender neutral pronoun when not referring to a specific person

  • @sharonminsuk
    @sharonminsuk Před měsícem +7

    1:35 Wait... your difficulty with "th" is your own individual thing? I have always assumed that it was the regional accent you grew up with. I did not notice you say "day"; but I often notice you pronounce the unvoiced "th" as "f", or the voiced one as "v". (At the end of your videos, I always look forward to that "Fank you.") This is called Th-fronting, and in some English accents, everybody does that. I've always found it rather charming that you do this. Not gonna lie, it's part of what got me hooked on this channel, as I enjoyed listening to your speech! I have thought about suggesting it as a topic for one of your videos!

  • @paranoidrodent
    @paranoidrodent Před měsícem +5

    As a bilingual Canadian (French/English), "thon" is hilarious. Tuna? Tuna did this. Tuna was upset. (Thon is the French word for tuna).

  • @fcsuper
    @fcsuper Před měsícem +14

    It was taught to me to use "they" and "them" for singular since the mid-1980's, long before the current discussions about gender.

    • @SidheKnight
      @SidheKnight Před měsícem +5

      I was going to say the same
      Singular they has been in use since at least the 1990's and nobody had a problem with it until now.

    • @Arkelk2010
      @Arkelk2010 Před měsícem +1

      I don't think that's so. I learned my grammar in the 1960s and 70s, and all my teachers were pretty firm on "they" being only for plural.

    • @BMTroubleU
      @BMTroubleU Před měsícem +1

      Saying 'they are' for an individual is not the same as the new attempt at compelled speech.
      It would be 'they is'.

    • @TylerMarkRichardson
      @TylerMarkRichardson Před měsícem

      ​@@BMTroubleUYou *_are_* dumb

    • @Arkelk2010
      @Arkelk2010 Před měsícem +1

      @@BMTroubleU You are probably right, both on the attempt at compelled speech and the "they is". But my ear for the English language is in distress.

  • @Werevampiwolf
    @Werevampiwolf Před měsícem +29

    (There's actually a little poem about how long "they" had been used as a gender neutral pronoun):
    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Singular "they" is older than
    Singular "you"

    • @Leisurenth
      @Leisurenth Před 29 dny

      Umm, uhh, ermmm B-B-B-B-BUT I W-WONT USE IT B-BECAUSE MY IDIOTIC BRAIN CAN'T PROCESS THE FACT THAT THE WORLD ISN'T EXACTLY MY SCIENTIFICALLY AND HISTORICALLY DISPROVEN BLACK AND WHITE WORLDVIEW!!!

  • @silveryuno
    @silveryuno Před měsícem +5

    Here's an example of Defaut Male Thinking from me. If the don't know an animal/pet gender I tend to go for male.

  • @jorgelotr3752
    @jorgelotr3752 Před měsícem +4

    5:34 as far as I'm aware, "man" or "mankind" as gender neutral precedes its use as a masculine, since "men" (humans) coulde be either "weremen" (male) or "women" (female); the "were-" prefix got (mostly) canned for (sexist) reasons.

    • @professoryeetus8955
      @professoryeetus8955 Před měsícem +1

      so does this mean that a female werewolf is actually a wowolf

    • @jorgelotr3752
      @jorgelotr3752 Před měsícem +3

      @@professoryeetus8955 should be.
      Werewolves are one of those monsters made by mismatching expected terms, like, for example, "cockatrice" (the term for a male bird followed by a female suffix). "Jackalope" may also qualify, being as it is a mixture of "jackrabbit" with "antelope".

  • @DawnDavidson
    @DawnDavidson Před měsícem +12

    In the early 2000’s, I was introduced to Zie/Zir. I prefer it to singular they, but history has decided on they, so they is what I use for anyone who requests it. If they request something else, I’ll try to use that, though I’ve been around long enough that it can be a challenge. The important point is that I don’t get to dictate someone else’s identity, including their pronouns.
    Thank you for the video. I appreciate seeing the support for our trans friends and family members during Pride month!
    (Also, I had speech therapy as well, for “s” which pronounced more as a “th”. Kinda the opposite issue from you! 😂)

  • @livinginthenow
    @livinginthenow Před měsícem +8

    Just FYI, it's pronounced "chaw-ser," not "chawn-ser." There is no "N" in the name Chaucer.

  • @modmaker7617
    @modmaker7617 Před měsícem +13

    In Polish, we have like two ways to refer to non-binary people.
    A man called Jacek Dukaj for his book about humans in the future that have grown past using genders created a new grammatical gender "post-gender gender" with the pronoun onu and using U instead of A/E in verbs. Not sure how adjectives work but I'm not non-binary. These are called "dukaizmy" (dukaisms) in Polish. Sadly dukaisms have not been officially approved by the Polish Language Council.
    Another method I've seen non-binary Poles use is renaming the nijaki (neuter) gender to the neutralny (neutral) gender and calming it for their own. Using ono (it) as their pronoun. The Polish Language Council does officially approve the usage of O instead of A/E in verbs so I guess using the gender that usually refers to plants, animals, things and young human children can be used for non-binary people.
    The Polish dub of the animated film Nimona uses the neuter forms for the title non-binary character so I presume that the Polish Language Council approves the usage of neuter forms for non-binary people.
    English: I walked
    Polish (Masculine): chodziłem
    Polish (Feminine): chodziłam
    Polish (Neuter): chodziłom
    Polish (Dukaism): chodziłum

    • @Anti-Taxxer
      @Anti-Taxxer Před měsícem

      What's the Polish word for degenerate?

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem

      @@Anti-Taxxer STOP ACTING LIKE ONE AND BEHAVE LIKE NORMAL HUMAN BEING!
      GET A LIFE!

  • @brendatrickler9016
    @brendatrickler9016 Před měsícem +5

    I liken the singular they to a repurposed antique, like turning an old wooden icebox into a bookcase or audio cabinet. I also notice virtually no objections to both singular you and plural you.

  • @Quartz512_
    @Quartz512_ Před měsícem +14

    *laughs in hungarian*

  • @MonochromeWench
    @MonochromeWench Před měsícem +7

    odd that people have an issue with singular they when an alternative word didn't historically exist in the language but don't have an issue with singular you when English did have a different word for singular you and lost it (thou).
    If people want to go back to the way english used to be they had better bring back thorn, eth and the other lost runic letters and spell things the right way undoing the great vowel shift.

  • @thelibyanplzcomeback
    @thelibyanplzcomeback Před měsícem +4

    I think the singular they came from people quickly scrambling for a word in their minds when they wanted to say things like "why did [this person] do this?" As a result, so many people accidentally say it that I'm surprised it's not grammatically correct at this point. Even 10% of "professional English" originated as essentially slang.
    The English language is, unintentionally or not, supposed to convey ideas in a quick, practical manner (unlike some languages... cough cough Spanish). If English doesn't have a word for something, people make stuff up, whether accidentally or intentionally.

    • @mineland8220
      @mineland8220 Před měsícem +1

      Seguimos sin pronombres neutros y con lenguaje con genero por palabra
      Most i can think of for neutralizing is ommiting it all together
      Pense que estaba ahi (I thought was there)
      Pense que estaba ahi (I thought there )

  • @zimsuk
    @zimsuk Před měsícem +2

    As a dane this is interesting, in danish ‘de’ (they) is used for a group and as a formal greeting instead of ‘du’ (you) - thou it is used a lot less now and mostly by the eldery and towards royals

  • @feurigessiegelstuck233
    @feurigessiegelstuck233 Před měsícem +2

    As a german. The english langsamer is very fortunate to have a term like "they" which is already indiginous to the language as a gender neutral option. Thats actually one of the few things I'm envious about.

  • @tanfanhvac
    @tanfanhvac Před měsícem +1

    I went to speech therapy, too! I also struggled with the “TH” sound. I could do it, but I just didn’t care. I remember my kindergarten teacher showing us how to pronounce “TH” correctly, but I thought it was just too much work. Instead, I pronounced them as “F” and “V”.

  • @storyspren
    @storyspren Před měsícem +16

    There's a couple of lines in this video along the lines of "whether linguists like it or not" and I just wanna say, linguists like it. Descriptivism is core to linguistics nowadays, and linguists are why we even know how old singular they is (and I'd like to point out that the oldest use is the oldest *written* use that has survived long enough to be noticed by linguists, and there may be older written uses that just didn't survive, and there very likely are older spoken uses, but spoken language is annoyingly ephemeral so we can't know how much older or how frequent it was at the time).

    • @quiestinliteris
      @quiestinliteris Před měsícem +2

      Yep, when few people were literate, and most of the literate people were of particular social classes, written language represented a pretty narrow sample of spoken language. (It also doesn't even represent their spoken language accurately, because people do not write exactly as they speak - take it from someone who does transcriptions and once wrote out an entire thirty-minute interview response that was all one sentence.)
      Add in that old-but-not-ancient writing is almost all located on perishable materials, and the further back you go, the smaller the sample size gets.
      It's entirely likely that many of the words and turns of phrase we attribute to Shakespeare's "invention" were actually in common use already but were not written down or didn't survive the centuries.

    • @Anti-Taxxer
      @Anti-Taxxer Před měsícem

      Linguists do not like it. Maybe woke, brainwashed linguists do, but everyone else can see past this nonsense.

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem

      @@Anti-Taxxer YES THEY DO!
      GET A LIFE FOR ACTING LIKE UNHINGED LOSER!

    • @jumpydashgd4699
      @jumpydashgd4699 Před měsícem

      @@Anti-Taxxer I get that you're the officially designated spokesperson for all linguists and all but as someone with a decent knowledge of linguistics this is just false. Linguist don't exist to dictate how language ought to be and delete words they dislike for political reasons. They exist to describe how language functions and evolves and don't try to prevent said change for the sake of upholding an archaic social structure. That's not to mention the fact that singular they has been used for hundreds of years. So no, linguists don't dislike singular they, just because a fact hurts your worldview doesn't make it false. Facts don't care about your feelings darling.

    • @Anti-Taxxer
      @Anti-Taxxer Před měsícem

      @@jumpydashgd4699 Keep believing your woke bullshit, the rest of us will keep thinking you’re a moron.

  • @JeremyWS
    @JeremyWS Před měsícem +3

    I personally am still angered that the pronoun of ^one^ never caught on as a gender-neutral pronoun. ^One^ works way better than ^they^ as a gender-neutral pronoun. ^One^ is a perfectly good pronoun and people should use it more often. The word ^oneself^ even exists, people. I wish ^one^ was more well known in its usage as a pronoun. Maybe that'll change, soon.

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před měsícem +1

      "What is ^one^ doing?"
      "What happened to ^one^?"
      "Do you like ^one^?"

    • @charlespentrose7834
      @charlespentrose7834 Před měsícem +1

      The thing is one uses "one" in a different way than one uses "he", "she", or "they".
      "One does not simply walk into Morder" is different then "They do not simply walk into Mordor"

  • @ShawnRavenfire
    @ShawnRavenfire Před měsícem +22

    It's crazy to me that the same people who are sticklers for "they" always being plural are the same ones who insist that "you" should be used for either singular or plural, and "youse" is bad grammar.

    • @me0101001000
      @me0101001000 Před měsícem

      Prescriptivists are a plague upon linguistics.

    • @quiestinliteris
      @quiestinliteris Před měsícem +7

      Pluralizing the singular you is hilarious to me. XD Full circle.
      Youse is excellent, tho for regional reasons I prefer y'all.

    • @vincent412l7
      @vincent412l7 Před měsícem +3

      Thou is the singular form of you.

    • @smittoria
      @smittoria Před měsícem +4

      It's because they don't actually know/care about language, they just wanna spread their political rantings

  • @nebulan
    @nebulan Před měsícem +2

    The only people i hear complaining about it these days are the ones who just don't like that not everyone fits their worldview

    • @im.empimp
      @im.empimp Před měsícem +2

      I'm grateful that we've gathered around a gender-neutral pronoun, but I absolutely hate that we don't have distinct singular and plural words for both "they" and "you'. I personally use you and y'all for the later, but I'm not aware of a such an alternative for singular and plural they. It's not a worldview complaint, but a language clarity complaint.

    • @nebulan
      @nebulan Před měsícem +1

      @@im.empimp that's fair. Our language can definitely use improvement!

  • @HeyLetsTalkAboutIt
    @HeyLetsTalkAboutIt Před měsícem +4

    As a non-binary person who uses they/them pronouns, I love the explanations here. Thank you for making this video Patrick. Happy pride!!

  • @toomanyopinions8353
    @toomanyopinions8353 Před měsícem +1

    My question is, if it’s been used that way grammatically since the 14th century, how can it not be grammatically correct?

    • @EnigmaticLucas
      @EnigmaticLucas Před měsícem +3

      This isn’t one of them, but there are a few rules that grammarians just made-up in an attempt to make English more like Latin.
      For example, split-infinitives weren’t considered incorrect by anyone until the 19th century.

  • @CatherineKimport
    @CatherineKimport Před měsícem +2

    Here’s an interesting wrinkle I’ve noticed: In those odd moments where I need to clarify that I’m using the plural they and not the singular they, I’ll say “they all” in a similar manner to “you all.”
    Which makes me wonder if at some point English will evolve to a point where “th’all” will be a commonly understood pronoun like “y’all”

  • @FinnManusia
    @FinnManusia Před měsícem +1

    In my country, our language uses pronoun that doesn’t have gender specific which is, "dia". In our English however, we used "it" a lot. "He/She" stays as gender specific pronouns while "They" sticks as plural and sometime use when you are not how many the people is, "It" other than inanimate objects, we used for animals too when we don't know the gender like, "That cat is sleeping. It sleeps on a chair." So it surprised to me why you called a teddy bear as "He". Also, we use "It" to babies too as we don't know the gender of the baby. "The baby is crawling. It crawls to it's mother."
    As for that, we should just use "It" to refer to them. A simple solution, right? Also, you should add that use of, "He" also refers to God. I don't really know why is it like that. Maybe you can explain why we call God as "He" plus it must be uses with capital "H" even in the middle of a sentence.

  • @nerdyoutube7847
    @nerdyoutube7847 Před měsícem +10

    I still much prefer “thon.” I don’t think it makes me stupid if I find it needlessly confusing to think of a group when I hear “they” since that’s how I’ve been conditioned my whole life. Why would you go that route when “thon” or other words like it are so much simpler to implement?

  • @xetanth87
    @xetanth87 Před měsícem +6

    I always find using 'they' for singular a bit confusing because I'm not sure when to use plural and when to use singular. I think it would have made more sense if there was a gender neutral singular like it but for people. I think 'thon' was considered centuries ago. I guess it's the same thing with 'you', but that's much more widely known. Also about 'you': I think it's funny that originally 'thou' was singular, 'you' was plural and they made 'you' also singular as a form of respect, but in a lot of books, movies and games you can see things like 'thy bidding' which is in a way less polite than 'your bidding'. Though I guess this comes from religious texts and prayers like 'Our Father' where they write 'Thy will be done'

  • @sherricoffman
    @sherricoffman Před měsícem +1

    ThankYou4Sharing!!!! ❤ 🕊 MuchLove

  • @thesun___
    @thesun___ Před měsícem +3

    Personally, when talking about a person, I sometimes use 'e which is a contraction for both he and she. I don't personally use the singular they.

  • @jensphiliphohmann1876
    @jensphiliphohmann1876 Před 28 dny

    Why not construct a pronoun of an abbreviation like "this/that individual" → 'thi', gen. 'thi's', dat./acc. 'thim'?
    If you dislike an individual, you take it from "that unhinged individual" → 'thui', gen. 'thuis', dat./acc. 'thuim'.

  • @johnlabus7359
    @johnlabus7359 Před měsícem +1

    As someone who grew up learning to write "he" as the default, it's very difficult for my brain to process "they" as singular. Now clearly I realize how patronizing it is to use "he" as a default, and that isn't to say that I don't understand why someone prefers a gender neutral pronoun. I just wish that our language had a separate gender neutral pronoun rather than sharing it with one that is widely used as plural. Just like using "he" makes people think of men, using "they" makes many of us think of more than one person.

  • @BMTroubleU
    @BMTroubleU Před měsícem

    Language can change over long periods of time.
    But being compelled (aka forced) to use these words in new contexts is what people dont like.

  • @sharonminsuk
    @sharonminsuk Před měsícem +2

    There are really two different kinds of singular they. I don't think it's correct to say that the modern "gender neutral" usage has been around for a long time. What has been around for centuries is the use of "they" to refer to somebody whose gender isn't known to the speaker, because it's referring to a generic or hypothetical person ("when a person is kind to you, you should be kind to *_them_* in return"), or because it's a slot that might be filled by different people ("I'm not sure who pranked me, but when I catch *_them,_* oh are *_they_* gonna pay!") This usage definitely goes all the way back. And I'm sure this existing old feature of the language is what gave "they" a leg up in its newer usage as a gender-neutral pronoun for a known individual ("My pronouns are they/them") over other alternative constructions. But this is definitely an expansion of the "singular-they" concept to a new use. ("I love listening to Patrick; they are so interesting.") I'm pretty sure that's why the latter use still doesn't quite roll off the tongue quite as easily as the older usage, and why it's still a bit confusing sometimes, at least for me. It's getting easier, though.

  • @MiroHeinonen
    @MiroHeinonen Před měsícem

    I would definitely use "ze" instead of "they" for non-binary people. Because "ze" can be used with "is", while "they" always requires "are". However, singular "they" (e.g. in word "themself") is okay when a person in question can be of any gender or when it is not necessary to specify the gender of the person. But "ze" in cases where a person explicitly does not identify as either a man or a woman.
    In a nutshell: They = gender-neutral (any gender, non-specified), which includes he/him, she/her and ze/zir. Ze = non-binary.

  • @Uulfinn
    @Uulfinn Před měsícem

    They is derived from old norse þeir, the masculine plural pronoun.
    Also it's quite prescriptivist to say that others are supposed to use singular they. People who want to use it should use it, people who don't want to shouldn't have to.

  • @NBK1122
    @NBK1122 Před měsícem

    When I was in (US Navy) basic training, recruits did not address themselves as I. We said, "This recruit," as in "This recruit had to do 25 pushups." Maybe non binary people could use "this person" for themselves and "this/that person" when someone is speaking about them. Unless "person" is wrong, too.

  • @revinhatol
    @revinhatol Před měsícem

    What about "IT" (singular)?

  • @magpie_one
    @magpie_one Před měsícem

    My native language Finnish is bit funny in that we don't have any gendered pronouns at all, everyone is "hän". Yet we still call everyone "se" which translates to 'it' in english. In Finnish 'it' is not seen as objectifying or derogatory, just informal. Using "hän" in everyday speech would sound quite out of place or even sarcastic.
    But in contrast, pets and animals might be called "hän" as a sign of endearment, when formally animals should be called "se".

  • @amadeosendiulo2137
    @amadeosendiulo2137 Před měsícem

    1:42 A lot of non-native English speakers gets you :D

  • @DJKLProductions
    @DJKLProductions Před měsícem +2

    I have no problem with using "they" for individuals, but then it should follow the grammar rules of the third person singular, because it is still about ONE person. In essence, "they" should be used for people of unknown gender or non-binary people. Especially with the latter, I find this appropriate in a figurative sense (as if they were standing between persons of unambiguous gender), but they are still individuals; also from the point of view that these persons want to be treated equally. Therefore, in my opinion, the grammar rules of the third person singular should logically be applied: they is/does/goes/etc. and themself. It's almost the same with the singular "you": there's the "yourself".
    I realise that this hurts one’s own linguistic sensibilities, but one can get used to it.

  • @Louetar
    @Louetar Před měsícem +9

    Thank you! happy pride! - a they/them :)

    • @Anti-Taxxer
      @Anti-Taxxer Před měsícem

      Degenerate.

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem

      @@Anti-Taxxer SAY ONE IRONICALLY BY SELF-PROJECTING!
      GET A LIFE AND STOP HARASSING OTHERS!

    • @Anti-Taxxer
      @Anti-Taxxer Před měsícem

      @@klemenhudobreznik3421 Imagine thinking that basic human biology is “harassment.” That’s how delusional you people are.

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem

      @@Anti-Taxxer YES YOU ARE HARRASSING THEM, YOU MISERABLE BIGOT!
      GET A LIFE OR BE HARRASED BACK!

    • @Leisurenth
      @Leisurenth Před 29 dny

      ​@@Anti-Taxxerbasic human biology?
      what about advanced human biology?
      5α-Reductase 2 deficiency
      17β-Hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase lll deficiency
      45,X/46,XY mosaicism
      Aarskog-Scott syndrome
      Ablepharon macrostomia syndrome
      Androgen deficiency
      Androgen insensitivity syndrome
      Aphallia
      Aromatase deficiency
      Aromatase excess syndrome
      Barber-Say syndrome
      Bifid penis
      Campomelic dysplasia
      Clitoromegaly
      Clitorophallus
      Cloacal exstrophy
      Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome
      Congenital adrenal hyperplasia
      Congenital adrenal hyperplasia due to 3β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency
      Congenital adrenal hyperplasia due to 11β-hydroxylase deficiency
      Congenital adrenal hyperplasia due to 17α-hydroxylase deficiency
      Congenital adrenal hyperplasia due to 21-hydroxylase deficiency
      Cryptorchidism
      Cytochrome b5 deficiency
      Cytochrome P450 oxidoreductase deficiency
      Denys-Drash syndrome
      Diphallia
      Estrogen insensitivity syndrome
      Gonadal dysgenesis
      Hyperandrogenism
      Hyperestrogenism
      Hypergonadism
      Hypergonadotropic hypergonadism
      Hypoestrogenism
      Hypogonadism
      Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism
      Hypospadias
      Isolated 17,20-lyase deficiency
      Kallmann syndrome
      Klinefelter syndrome
      Leydig cell hypoplasia
      Lipoid congenital adrenal hyperplasia
      Micropenis
      Mild androgen insensitivity syndrome
      Müllerian agenesis
      Opitz G/BBB syndrome
      Ovotesticular syndrome
      Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome
      Penoscrotal transposition
      Persistent Müllerian duct syndrome
      Poland syndrome
      Polyorchidism
      Prader-Willi syndrome
      Precocious puberty
      Progestin-induced virilization
      Pseudohermaphroditism
      Ring chromosome 18
      SCARF syndrome
      Seaver-Cassidy syndrome
      SERKAL syndrome
      Turner syndrome
      Uterus didelphys
      WNT4 deficiency
      XX male syndrome
      XXXXY syndrome
      XXXY syndrome
      XXYY syndrome
      XY gonadal dysgenesis
      And also the fact that gender isn't the same as sex and is something you are born with, according to scientific research! And also how there were thousands of cultures with third genders! Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that's too much for your bigoted brain to process, so sorry!

  • @batya7
    @batya7 Před měsícem +3

    "They" is very confusing. Sorry. I don't agree to use it happily

  • @st.anselmsfire3547
    @st.anselmsfire3547 Před měsícem

    If people have been using a word a certain way for 700 years, how is it still wrong?

  • @robinreneemusic
    @robinreneemusic Před měsícem

    Thanks so much for covering this topic. It was a pleasant surprise. Happy Pride! 🎉 💖💜💙 💛🤍💜🖤🌈

    • @NameExplain
      @NameExplain  Před měsícem +1

      Happy pride and thanks for the superchat!

  • @eclat4641
    @eclat4641 Před měsícem

    1:46
    Sometimes i get stuck on V ( serious.) so i try saying B .
    So video - bidio ,
    Otherwise v -Vvvvvvvvvvv.

  • @TwilightLimits-sk7kn
    @TwilightLimits-sk7kn Před měsícem

    Singular "They" sounds alright when used in specific ways but the majority of the time it just gets confusing, like the way its spoken between people. Plural "They" sounds better when spoken between people

  • @Mia32862
    @Mia32862 Před měsícem +28

    Thanks for making this video despite the hate you"ll get for it. As a trans person, small things like this really make my day a lot better!

    • @998576999
      @998576999 Před měsícem

      As a trans person, please, go to rehab

    • @ruckusbeblack
      @ruckusbeblack Před měsícem +11

      ITS MAAAAAM 👰🏻‍♂️

    • @veggiet2009
      @veggiet2009 Před měsícem +1

      As an NB masc person, I agree

  • @DragonTheOneDZA
    @DragonTheOneDZA Před měsícem +2

    My language for a fictional kingdom (I won't give you context) has ihu (male) ehu (female) and hu (nonbinary) for he/she/(sin)they

  • @jbejaran
    @jbejaran Před měsícem +1

    I think singular they got some legitimacy from the fact that saying "he or she", while still understood to mean a single person, kind of sounds like two people. So you could see sentences like "He or she will have to park their car on the street." maintains a certain sense to it. The other reason some of those coinages never took off is that seemed handed down from above rather than organically emerging from everyday usage. Most common non-technical language comes about that way.

  • @thedinobros1218
    @thedinobros1218 Před měsícem

    I use ‘it’ rather than a singular they and it makes way more sense than ‘they’

  • @hyun-shik7327
    @hyun-shik7327 Před měsícem +17

    I think it's interesting that the singular use of they hasn't been distinguished as singular by inflections. Like we still use "they are" for one person instead of "they is" which still sounds grammatically incorrect.

    • @EnigmaticLucas
      @EnigmaticLucas Před měsícem +5

      It’s for the same reason that we use “you are” for one person instead of “you art”

    • @stapuft
      @stapuft Před měsícem +2

      Because "they" is plural NOT singular.

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem +2

      @@stapuft NOPE, IT IS BOTH!
      GET A LIFE!

    • @stapuft
      @stapuft Před měsícem

      Its not though.
      I have one unlike you.
      Why so salty? Is it because reality refuses to conform to your idiocy?

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 Před měsícem +5

      ​@@stapuft By that logic, wilt thou correct thy usage of the plural "you" to refer to a single person? Wilt thou attempt to argue with _royalty_ when they use "we" for only themself?

  • @Jan_Koopman
    @Jan_Koopman Před měsícem +1

    Bring back thon!

  • @dansattah
    @dansattah Před měsícem +18

    "He'er" reminds me of the relatively recent "Gendersternchen" (little gender star) in German.
    For instance:
    der Bürger - the (male/non-specific) citizen
    die Bürgerin - the female citizen
    die Bürger*in - the (non-specific) citizen

    • @schlaumayer3754
      @schlaumayer3754 Před měsícem

      I've also heard somewhere that some people use "Sier" as a gender neutral pronoun in German

    • @PurelyCoincidental
      @PurelyCoincidental Před měsícem +2

      There's something similar in French, too. I recently received an email addressed to "Cher•e•s collègues, cher•e•s étudiant•e•s".
      I find it interesting that German decided to use "die" for Bürger*in, thanks for sharing. I used to study German seriously but had to put it aside for a while. I really miss it.

    • @dansattah
      @dansattah Před měsícem +1

      @@PurelyCoincidental Trust me, despite being a German native speaker, this article was just a guess of mine. Just based on the rule that article and suffix ought to go together.

    • @matercan5649
      @matercan5649 Před měsícem +2

      Americans seeing how Germans call people "Bürger": "I wanna go to germany"

    • @dansattah
      @dansattah Před měsícem

      @@matercan5649 Well, "Burg" just means fortress, so the transition from "feudal subject" to "royal subject" to "republican citizen" was rather smooth.

  • @Coccinelf
    @Coccinelf Před měsícem

    Thon is tuna in French 😂

  • @ShawnRavenfire
    @ShawnRavenfire Před měsícem +1

    Another one I remember gaining some popularity years ago was "s/he," which when spoken, was usually pronounced something like "sah-hee."

  • @langreeves6419
    @langreeves6419 Před měsícem

    I wouldn't have known you had a problem pronouncing "th" if you hadn't said something about it.

  • @mingfanzhang4600
    @mingfanzhang4600 Před měsícem +3

    😊😊😊😊😊

  • @nurdle
    @nurdle Před měsícem +9

    technically "it" has a gender: inanimate gender. from what I know at least, gender linguistically is different from what we typically think when we think gender.
    Other than that killer video!

    • @DrunkenMalkavian
      @DrunkenMalkavian Před měsícem +1

      Indeed. Especially if you consider other languages, which feature grammatical gender, rather than natural gender, like English does. Inanimate objects are gendered, regardless of their physical characteristics. In at least some of these languages, this carries over to names - for example, in Polish, all female names end in an -a.

  • @jensphiliphohmann1876
    @jensphiliphohmann1876 Před 28 dny

    Ironically, the word 'woman' includes 'man'.

  • @deldarel
    @deldarel Před měsícem +8

    In Dutch we have two words for 'that', one that's common gender 'die', used for de-words and one that's for neuter, 'dat', used for het-words. 'Die' doesn't have the dehumanising stigma that 'it' has so it's become our gender neutral pronoun here. It's very similar to thon in meaning, but similarly to they it's a less common but correct use that found new meaning in this old use.

  • @imalright2837
    @imalright2837 Před měsícem +31

    Alternative title: “How a lack of hardships left western civilization with too much time on their hands”

    • @dansattah
      @dansattah Před měsícem +19

      Any particular reason why you need to downplay discrimination against gender non-conforming people?

    • @Dontdoit_
      @Dontdoit_ Před měsícem +13

      Too bad that’s not how language evolves especially when these thing existed for centuries if not millennia

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před měsícem

      Nice wompussy

    • @mossballus
      @mossballus Před měsícem +10

      The fact that that's what you took away from this video tells me that YOU'RE the one that hasn't experienced many hardships.

    • @stapuft
      @stapuft Před měsícem +3

      You mean "discrimination".

  • @erdood3235
    @erdood3235 Před měsícem +14

    No need to apologize for not being able the say the hard th sound. Most people can't make that sound anyway

    • @cupfulofeathers
      @cupfulofeathers Před měsícem +1

      Agreed! Your speech is very clear. I’ve had some speech therapy too so I understand that self consciousness, though!

    • @modmaker7617
      @modmaker7617 Před měsícem +2

      Most people in Northern England don't say TH but F instead.
      Making deaf and death pronounced identitically

    • @erdood3235
      @erdood3235 Před měsícem

      @@modmaker7617 there are 3 th sounds. The f like one, in thor and death.
      A v like one in together.
      And a d like one, in the and they.

  • @the_Kutonarch
    @the_Kutonarch Před měsícem

    "Mankind" WAS Gender-Neutral!
    "Man" didn't mean male, it meant HUMAN.
    The word for male human was "WERman" which we still use for "WEREwolf"(the original concept for werewolves were all male).
    "WOMAN" literally means WIFE + MAN, and it's not referring to a MALE whose also happens to be a wife, but a HUMAN, literally WIFE + HUMAN.
    So words like "Handyman, Chairman, Policeman" should originally be considered Gender-Neutral, but if that's not socially acceptable, then they should be RESPECTFULLY updated using their original intended meaning.
    So instead of Handyman/"Handywoman", (after all that's not even Gender-Neutral,) it should, in fact, be "Handyhuman."
    Before you dismiss this as, "Why would you need to specify that they're 'human'?" 🙄
    The original speakers DID NEED TO specify Human because they lived in a society that believed that non-human entities genuinely existed, such as Fae, Giants, Ghosts, Elves, Trolls, Werewolves and other kinds of "people".
    It's with the diminished belief in pervasive supernatural entities that the reinforcing cultural emphasis on one's Humanness was lost. Instead more "tangible" considerations were made for things like gender, which ultimately leads us to where we are today.
    After all, how many times do you read the word "human" in general fiction compared to science fiction, scifi contains pervasive themes of non-human forms of people, requiring the frequent use of "human", much like the original speakers of English.
    So if you're using "HUMANKIND" as the Gender-Neutral term then you should start adding "-human" in your Gender-Neutral vocabulary from now on.

    • @the_Kutonarch
      @the_Kutonarch Před měsícem

      @user-in8qh3zf9d No it doesn't, it comes from Wifman, wif=wife, man=human.

    • @the_Kutonarch
      @the_Kutonarch Před měsícem

      @user-in8qh3zf9d Yeah, you really did type a lot of bollocks.

    • @greatestaxolotl4933
      @greatestaxolotl4933 Před měsícem

      @user-in8qh3zf9dit does not

  • @AminalCreacher
    @AminalCreacher Před měsícem

    i vibe with co

  • @GregoryHunter-rm4ei
    @GregoryHunter-rm4ei Před měsícem +2

    Cool video.

  • @DoroNijimaru
    @DoroNijimaru Před měsícem

    you keep saying "they are" when treating "they" as a word.
    you wouldn't say "they are a word", you'd say "they is a word".
    if 'they' isn't being used as a plural pronoun, the following verb doesn't get conjugated as if it were.

    • @greatestaxolotl4933
      @greatestaxolotl4933 Před měsícem

      nah. you still say "you are" even when you is singular

    • @DoroNijimaru
      @DoroNijimaru Před měsícem

      @@greatestaxolotl4933 when "you" is treated as a singular pronoun, yes. not when "you" is treated as a word.
      you wouldn't say "you are a word", you'd say "you is a word".
      "the word 'you' IS a pronoun", Not "the word 'you' ARE a pronoun".

    • @greatestaxolotl4933
      @greatestaxolotl4933 Před měsícem

      @@DoroNijimaru ohhh i didn't understand what u were saying lol

  • @meteofur9604
    @meteofur9604 Před měsícem +11

    Wow these comments are sad. Why can't people be respectful and mind their business with what people want to be called.

  • @mawer9900
    @mawer9900 Před měsícem

    FOLEY IS GOD

  • @dogvom
    @dogvom Před měsícem

    It's not _Chauncer._ It's _Chaucer._ It rhymes with "saucer".
    If you can't wrap your brain around the word *_he_* as being both gender-specific and gender-neutral, maybe you can understand why it's hard for many people to wrap their brains around *_they_* as being both plural and singular.

  • @janslavik5284
    @janslavik5284 Před měsícem +3

    Words can't express how much I hate this stupid thing, purely from language clarity mind you. English as it is doesn't exactly excel in being the most descriptive language you can imagine (there is already the singular/plural *you* problem), but the recent re-introduction of singular they is simply perplexing to me.
    Imagine people all over the world spending in some cases more than a decade of their young life learning the "universal" language and then suddenly "they are hungry" means "a singular person is hungry". I'm sorry but this has to be the most brain-dead development in linguistics ever.

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem

      YET EXPERTS OF LINGUSTIC DEFEND THIS USAGE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE WORDS HAVE USAGE MAINLY, NOT MEANING!
      GET A LIFE!

    • @Quartz512_
      @Quartz512_ Před měsícem +1

      It doesn't take a decade to learn english. It takes like 6-8 years.

    • @janslavik5284
      @janslavik5284 Před měsícem +1

      @@Quartz512_ In some countries it's mandatory to learn English since the 2nd or 3rd grade all the way to the end of highschool, which at least in my country means 11-12 years.

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem +3

      @@janslavik5284 STILL DOESNT MEAN SINGULAR THEY IS STUPID USAGE OF WORD!
      MAYBE LEARN TO READ THE CONTEXT OF CONVERSATION!

  • @oz25
    @oz25 Před měsícem

    Whist I try to avoid the singular they myself, I don't really mind its use where necessary/appropriate/for people who identify as gender neutral/non binary. My issue is when its use is intermittent. Example "I'm meeting my girlfriend in town. They work in McDonalds" I'm like "Who works in McDonalds?" And 'they' are like "I just said, my girlfriend, she works in McDonald's". If 'they' had said. "I'm meeting my partner. They work in McDonald's" then fine. Hope this makes sense. Xxx

    • @IsaacMyers1
      @IsaacMyers1 Před měsícem

      well, ok. some people use multiple pronouns. and some of those people prefer you actually use all of their pronouns. so, maybe said girlfriend is a demigirl, or whatever other thing, who asks people to use both she and they in said flip flop manner. so maybe it’s weird to police how others use pronouns.
      HOWEVER, once someone knows which pronouns you use, and you don’t use singular they for yourself, that person shouldn’t be using it for you. I know there’s a significant proportion of transgender people who find the use of singular they about them by someone who knows their pronouns is a huge no-no. In the minds of these people, and justifiably so, they fought so hard to be the gender they are and to use the pronouns they use, so it feels like erasure of said hard work to use a term that removes that gender from them. This is also not to mention the rising problem of transphobes using they/them for binary trans people, and maybe neopronoun users if we’re lucky to even be acknowledged, so they can claim “I’m not *mis*gendering you” whilst actively intending to not have to correctly gender people.

    • @oz25
      @oz25 Před měsícem

      @@IsaacMyers1 To be clear, I have no problem using a person's choice of pronouns. The issue is, occasionally ,only about following who the conversation is actually about. If in doubt, use the person's name where possible. X

  • @schlaumayer3754
    @schlaumayer3754 Před měsícem +13

    At the current moment I see 12 comment: 3 right-wing hate comments and 2 bots...

    • @Dontdoit_
      @Dontdoit_ Před měsícem +4

      You see more when you hit newest but the fact they cry about their hate being hidden and then that’s what shows is funny

    • @eja1258
      @eja1258 Před měsícem

      ? How do you know they are "right-wing"?

  • @electra424
    @electra424 Před měsícem +1

    happy pride everyone!!!

  • @user-lh8px9cx4r
    @user-lh8px9cx4r Před měsícem +15

    By ideology

    • @Sparx632
      @Sparx632 Před měsícem +1

      Even if there was such a thing as LGBT ideology they has been used as a gender neutral singular pronoun for centuries.

    • @Dontdoit_
      @Dontdoit_ Před měsícem +7

      No by evolution of language

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 Před měsícem

      Ah yes, the ideology pushed by _William Shakespeare._ We can't have that.
      The ideology pushed in the 20th century by people whining that English wasn't Latin is clearly a much more reasonable position.
      /s

  • @ernestcline2868
    @ernestcline2868 Před měsícem +2

    I'm surprised you left off the Spivak pronouns, which are the plural 3rd person pronouns with the initial th omitted, and sometimes having "e" or "E" replacing "ey" as the 3rd person animate subject pronoun. Of all the proposed alternatives to singular they/them, it's the one I personally liked best, but with singular they/them finally reaching acceptance, it's clear what English will be using for the foreseeable future as its 3rd person singular animate pronouns.

  • @lp-xl9ld
    @lp-xl9ld Před měsícem +3

    The problem is that some writers go overboard with this and it seems as though there isn't one standard. It takes me a while to figure out who the writer is talking about. I've seen all of these alternatives used and while I do agree that any individual has the right to be called whatever...that person wants to be called, or in whatever way...that person feels is correct for...that person
    You see what we're up against?

  • @werlynakadera1944
    @werlynakadera1944 Před měsícem +9

    I am a they and I approve this video

  • @angeldude101
    @angeldude101 Před měsícem +4

    There is nothing wrong with using "they" to refer to a single person, much like how there's nothing wrong with using "you" or "we" to refer to a single person either, though some might not appreciate your ego if you did the latter. However, that doesn't change the fact that all 3 are _grammatically_ plural, though that only really matters for verb conjugations.
    I *am*
    Thou *art*
    He/She/It *is*
    We/You/They *are*
    _We would appreciate thee for accepting that pronouns can change beyond their original number._

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před měsícem

      Except people with DID, why would someone refer to themself as "we"

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 Před měsícem

      @@burner555 Royal we is the most well known, but there are other contexts, like in various forms of formal writing such as scientific papers.

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před měsícem

      @@angeldude101 singular we

  • @CoolAsFreya
    @CoolAsFreya Před měsícem

    I really like your voice it's rather soothing, and I find your unconscious addition of a small ə to some words that end with consonants interesting!

  • @cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245

    We are all “its” regardless of gender

  • @IsaacMyers1
    @IsaacMyers1 Před měsícem +1

    I don’t go by they. They is a genderless pronoun, I am not myself genderless, and therefore I shouldn’t be forced to have my gender erased. Seeing as english has gendered pronouns, why is having your pronouns actually contain your gender a luxury only binary gendered people deserve? At the same time it also feels like they is only neutral in terms of the masculine-feminine continuum, seeing as I my gender is nowhere amongst said continuum I shouldn’t be forced to use pronouns that claim it does (I have always felt like this specific point of my argument is an incredibly nebulous and hard to define properly, especially since it seems many people disagree with me here). I go by thon personally, and whilst I know it was created to be genderless pronoun, most people don’t know that; and thon not being the languages agreed upon genderless pronoun, means I have full freedom to impart my gender upon the pronoun. I wouldn’t be stealing the pronoun from others by allowing it to( or forcing it to) gain a gendering inline with the gender I am.
    Or in simpler terms: either we remove gendered pronouns from english entirely (something we know wont happen), or other people need to get over the fact I deserve equal rights as people who fit the binary.

  • @stapuft
    @stapuft Před měsícem +11

    It would be more accurate to say "it" as "them" is plural.

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem

      FOR MOST PEOPLE THAT IS DEHUMANIZING!
      GET A LIFE!

    • @meteofur9604
      @meteofur9604 Před měsícem +13

      Did you not watch the goddamn video?

    • @WakandaleezaRazz
      @WakandaleezaRazz Před měsícem +6

      @@meteofur9604REEEEEEE TRIGGERED 👰🏻‍♂️

    • @klemenhudobreznik3421
      @klemenhudobreznik3421 Před měsícem +1

      @@WakandaleezaRazz SAY IRONICALLY THE SNOWFLAKE!
      GET A LIFE!

    • @WakandaleezaRazz
      @WakandaleezaRazz Před měsícem +5

      @@klemenhudobreznik3421Says the one with a dozen comments on this video triggered 👰🏻‍♂️

  • @mingfanzhang8927
    @mingfanzhang8927 Před měsícem +3

    ❤😊❤😊❤😊❤

  • @MrAllmightyCornholioz
    @MrAllmightyCornholioz Před měsícem

    Anti-Wokists be like: OMG TRIGGERED!

  • @eclat4641
    @eclat4641 Před měsícem

    I : they /them
    😊

  • @ScottJPowers
    @ScottJPowers Před měsícem +4

    man did not originally mean male. in old english, man just ment human or person. Wer meant male human in old english.

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před měsícem

      Petition to return to this

    • @turtleburger200
      @turtleburger200 Před měsícem

      Does that have anything to do with woMAN having the word "man" inside?

    • @quiestinliteris
      @quiestinliteris Před měsícem +1

      ​@@turtleburger200 Yep. "Wif" meant woman, "wer" meant man, "man" meant person, but they were also sometimes compounded as wifman/werman. (And bear in mind, standardized spelling wasn't a thing, so you're likely to see any number of variations on those.) For Vowel Shift reasons, wifman eventually became woman, while werman fell out of use altogether.
      The really funny thing is that "human" is etymologically unrelated.

  • @Dontdoit_
    @Dontdoit_ Před měsícem +7

    Bro is the ultimate gender neutral pronoun

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před měsícem +3

      inb4 "I kissed bro very smoochly, bro is a woman."