Body Solvent BATTLE ROYALE!!! (Optimum/Adams/IGL/IPA/Angelwax/Citrol)
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Body solvents, panel prep, IPA wipe...whatever you use or call it. It is VERY important as the last step before protection. It can be hard to tell if a certain solvent is working...aside from picking out the best one. Today, we put some powerful solvents on the same panel and let them battle it out. Those included.......
Citrol 266........www.amazon.com...
Citrol Concentrate is a concentrated heavy-duty, water dilultable, emulsifiable, industrial strength, biodegradable, citrus base cleaner and degreaser. Citrol Concentrate is designed for use in almost any industrial, transportation or general plant maintenance cleaning and degreasing operation. Citrol Concentrate is an excellent replacement for hazardous aliphatic, aromatic, chlorinated, fluorocarbon, alkaline, acidic or petroleum solvent base cleaners and degreasers. Citrol Concentrate is specially formulated from a combination of organic citrus based solvents and a multi-component surfactant-emulsifier system. This unique combination provides Citrol Concentrate with the ability to rapidly penetrate and remove a wide range of different soils, dirt and inks. Citrol Concentrate’s formulation does not contain any unacceptable petroleum distillates, petroleum hydrocarbons, chlorinated or chlorofluorocarbon type solvents
IGL Precoat....www.autogeek.n...
IGL Ecoclean PreCoat was designed to completely strip the surface of your paint of all the oils and greases that collect on the surface either during routine use or after paint correction processes. IGL Ecoclean PreCoat uses citrus cleaner agents that will break-up the waxes, oils, and greases on a molecular level and break the bond they have with your paint, making them easy to wipe off. IGL Ecoclean PreCoat will wipe away without streaking to ensure that surface of your paint is perfectly prepared for a ceramic or silica coating!
Optimum Paint prep.....www.theragcomp...
A combination of mild solvents dissolves and removes all the contaminants and leaves the paint squeaky clean and ready for the final protection.
Optimum Paint Prep does not contain any oils or surfactants and leaves no residue behind. You can use it for cleaning all interior or exterior surfaces whenever a clean surface is desired.
Adams Surface Prep....www.amazon.com...
Adam's Surface Prep (8 oz) - A Cleaner That Ensures Your Paint is Clean & Ready to Apply Any 9H Top Coat Ceramic Coating After Clay Bar, Car Wash & Orbital Polisher Treatment
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What do you prefer for a body solvent?
Prep all made by kleen strip. 20ish a gallon and what pro paint shops use in between coats of paint. Strips anything off without damage and ensures a completely stripped surface you could paint on
I haven't tested it with stripping new protection like this but so far it's been awesome for me. Leaves nothing behind either
Americana Stripper is my go-to
Prep all. Wont dry out the paint like IPA
Duplicolor paint prep
I can't even begin to describe how valuable these videos are
Yes!!! I needed this video! Thanks for this, Brian. You are my favorite detailing youtuber. Appreciate your work and wisdom very much!!!
I appreciate the kind words!🙂
Thanks Brian. Always a pleasure to watch.
A lot of comments below show the confusion over IPA products.
Citrol would always win (and you know that 😉). An IPA wipedown would never beat such a strong solvent based pre wash product in removing existing protection.
But in the same token, I’d never use Citrol between polishing steps, which is what these IPA wipedowns are meant for - IPAs are not meant for prewash as you rightly demonstrate.
What I’d like to know is do IPA wipedowns leave residue???? In our tests here in UK some IPAs are consistently leaving something behind, or they’re just ineffective at removing polish residue and give very different water sheeting characteristics on a panel when tested before LSP. In theory they should all leave crystal clean clearcote. But do they?? That’s the test I’d like you to do. You could even swab the panel after and lab test it to see what’s left on it! Kind Regards
I have never expected paint preps to be able to remove sealants or even waxes. Just a last step to remove the compounding/polishing residue.
Same.
Hello Brian
Off topic comment.
I want to thank you for all you do.
I applied my first ever ceramic coating, car pro UK 3.0.
Thanks to you and all your videos I've been watching since about January. I'm an enthusiast.
So far I've done the wheels, since they were new it was easy prep, the leather and now exterior.
I'm a happy camper.
Once again thank you for keeping us intune with the times.👌🏼
I appreciate the kind words and support from ALL of you. Cheers!
a true fair,nonbiased opinion
doesn't get anymore fair than this. b well good friend
you are the most respected guy in my opinion when it comes to facts in stead of a lot of bull crap when it comes to car detailing brian
thank you for taking your valuable time to teach us this stuff there is a 66k apex student so far all over the world :)
Thank you for the clarification on the IP solution and percentage (50/50)
Brian I just picked up some citrol to test out. It did amazing at cleaning off old gunk and grime but I noticed something worth mentioning. I did a big area and noticed the citrol left a very oily surface behind you wouldn’t be able to apply a coating on top of this. I had to use super clean (alkaline) to remove the oil and get it squeaking again.
This is why the water behavior after citrol is so drastic during your test that is the oil on top. Look at your control section it’s sheeting water faster than the citrol side
Great video!!!
Citrol I'd only use if there was something so stubborn on it like tar that apc won't get off.
Citrol 266 takes care of tar, too.
Thanks Brian, gone with Angelwax Stripped Ease...👍👍
Best I've found on chemical decontamination. Best I've found on detailing generally. Thank you.
The most useful and underrated product
Now this is what I wanted to see!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
As always, Another great video Brian👍
I wonder how duplicolor or rustoleum would do in this battle.
Great video. I would have changed two things. I would have used a cheaper degreaser just because any good degreaser would have done the same job. Meguiar’s Super Degreaser comes to mind. It would have also shown how overpriced and ineffective some of these specially made prep sprays are. I would have also used a different rinseless wash to wipe down the panels since Reset does have some restorative properties in it. Better yet, I would have just used pure water on a low pile towel to get rid of residue. Food for thought, I guess. Amazing video and looking forward to your next one!
What do you meen with that Carpro Reset car soap has restorative properties in it?
To my knowledge Reset car soap don't leave anything behind as glossenhancer or protection.
Tony Mattisson Carpro Reset is specifically made to be used on coated surfaces. From the description itself, it restores the beading and dirt releasing properties of a coated surface to help maintain its protection. I know that’s vague, but all I’m saying is if you want to be fully safe with this particular test, it would be better off using a wash with zero protective, restorative, or gloss enhancing abilities. Or even better, like I mentioned above, just wipe the panels down with a water soaked towel after they’ve been rinsed down.
@@roguegeek get out your camera, looking forward to one of your videos.
Bob Dylan It was constructive criticism and it was noticed as such by the creator. These are places for dialog. He’s mentioned in his videos many times he learns as much as we do from discussion like that. Your contribution was... what exactly? Insulting people on the internet? Good job being a shitty and lazy community member.
thanks for your time and efforts with these videos.
My observation is that the control section beads water more than the citrol section so that leads me to believe citrol is leaving behind a hydrophilic residue.
FTA Styling I use it.... it stripped EVERYTHING I tried it on. Period.😊
No residue...I wash everything away.
Mikey P have you tried it on a ceramic coating? Because that’s something you can’t chemically strip and if beading stops then that means you’ve got residue left behind.
Love the turntables, Brian. Very classy.
Hey Brian, I am so grateful for the video and your honesty. In my opinion duplicolor works the best for me.
Also are you going to try Scott's new DPC Shield?
XxVendetaxX1 I agree Duplicolor is my go to.
I will have a video up shortly on shield.
@@apexdetail85 Thank you Brian for trying to get back to everyone in the comments. You're awesome.
I am glad that I bought the IGL Precoat based on your video showing products you use for your details
Potent stuff.
Very nice comparison! Thank you sir!
What an outstanding review. As I've been upgrading my arsenal, I had planned on adding the Citrol 266 based on what I've seen on your channel. It looks like I'll be making a good choice with that product - as long as I remember to rinse it off right away. Thanks for that reminder as well.
Y do u need to rinse it of??
Really interesting and a bit disappointing too on how they performed. Try the auto body types like Duplicolor and it’s Rustoleum product.
That was awesome! Thanks for doing these!
Very informative video ✊This is a very important step. I know you need a perfect surface for applying the ceramic coating.Panel prep is key 🔑✊
Great stuff, Brian! This is priceless information!
Man I love Sonax BSD 💯
I do too.
Thanks for doing this test, Brian!
I was looking forward to this one. Thanks B!
Thanks to the person who suggested this and thanks to Brian for his time and dedication to do this vid for us. So many brands out there. Citrol 266 looks like King Kong.
Sure glad I found this video thanks Brian
Wow, Citrol takes no prisoners!
How about teaming up Eraser, DupliColor grease & wax remover, Rustoleum grease & wax remover? Thanks, Brian.
Always top notch good job
I never used these thinking they're going to remove waxes or sealants.
The usual literature states they remove old waxes and sealants. I would take that to mean they aren't going to be as effective on fresher waxes or sealants.
I use the Optimum Paint Prep, when using Optimum Gloss Coat, and CarPro Eraser when using Cquartz UK 3.0, or Gliss.
As a DIY non professional. After compounding and polishing I would just prefer to wash the car over again with a car shampoo formulated to strip waxes and sealants, it is the least expensive solution. How long could it take to wash rinse and dry an already clean car?
I’d love to see you give Rust-Oleum Wax and Paint a whirl. I use it occasionally, but I’m dubious about it... I often feel like I need to hit it again with an IPA
Another youtuber tried Dawn powerwash and it strips wax right off! It was quite impressive. Possibly give that a try!
Brian, get a hold of Spies Hecker Permaloid for a test, the best restorers use it in the refinishing industry.
Excellent video!! Looking forward to the next rounds videos.
What about a best of the best final round shootout after testing is complete?
Round 1 winner, Citrol earns a pass to the finals : )
Citrol will be excluded...unfair....but yeah...sounds good.🙂
Brian can you make this a two stage test? First is what you’re currently doing and the other a ‘grease’ test; using an oil, grease & silicone to determine its solvent/prep ability?
Awesome video !
Citrol is not sold in my country, do you think Auto Finesse citrus power or Auto Finesse Dynamite could do the same in high concentrations?
I have always used Dawn Dish soap and water. So does a local detailing shop. What are your thoughts on using Dawn? It is sure a cheaper alternative!
I second this question. I would love to know how Dawn, or some other cleaner such as Purple Power, matches up in this test. Thanks for doing these excellent videos Brian!
steve, I really enjoy watching Brian putting on these comparisons, along with his in-depth how-to's! The detailing shop I had spoke of has been in business for many years and tons of clients bring their high end cars for him to detail them. I asked him about their being so many products to choose from and when someone like Brian puts on a comparison, he has a ton of different products. He laughed and said almost all Detailers will buy different products hoping to always find that "magical" product that will almost do all the work for you! He is the one that told me he has good luck with a perfume and dye free dish soap. Other people may use different things but this is his go to product. Then he said for 95 percent of the time he only use two products for the rest of the exterior. He uses Wizards Magic Cut to polish and then used Wizards Shine Master. He said there are hundreds of different products and every shop has their own favorites, but these are his. But everybody to their own!
Have a good day, Tom
Dawn eventually ruins paint.
The fact that you wash the panel after the solvent is applied is what separates this video from others.
Mostly will just spray the prep solution and call it a day which might not always be true.
some of the solvent's ingredients cling to the top of the surface and hide the water-beading characteristics and you might say the sealant is removed which it might be not.
Well done sir. I would love to see Carpro Eraser in there as well.
Crap I just ordered a gal of optimum lol but i got a gal for 30$ on 25% off from autogeek so cant really complain!! Plus mostly all the cars I do never have protection they are all neglected as hell cars lmao so after the vehicle and boat wash takes a big hit if there's any wax.
Hey...that works well removing polish and compound residue.
Nice video!!! I had a hunch that Citrol would be the winner. I have seen people using it to remove bugs splat off. My question is, I have CQuart 3.0 on for about 4 months will it hurt the ceramic?
I very well could...flush the area immediately.
@@apexdetail85 Flush with water or flush with a solution of soap and water?
Would love to see a video on how you clean and maintain your shop...
Steps,
Method
I am way behind on that...a thorn in my side lately. Getting ready to epoxy the floor.
Oh hellllll yeah, some gooood OCD porn!! Count me in! 👍👌✌
Brian, what are your thoughts on using Duplicolor or Rustoleum wax removers? Are those anymore effective or safer or less safer than the products in this video? Thanks!
I sprayed Citrol 266 on my wife and she became instantly stripped
Dont forget to flush the area immediately after.😜
@@apexdetail85 LOL
You're a legend, but I'm not sure I fully understand this test or maybe you're description of "last step before protection" is just throwing me off. You've mentioned how your shop only does full corrections, so I'd assume you're using a panel prep as a last step to wipe off polishing oils and residue, not a protectant like Sonax BSD no? I was really hoping to see how a 35% IPA solution compared to a dedicated panel prep for just removing polishing oils
Why not allow several minutes set time for these products to react with the waxes, and sealers? Obviously, Citrol does not need that. Have you ever tried any other citrus based cleaners?
I hear IPA is not safe on clear coat and leaves residue? You agree? What about the other products? Do they leave a residue?
Thank you, Brian! Would you be able to do a similar test at some point in time for Gtechniq Panel Wipe? Thank you again!
Absolutely.
Brian is it true that using a alcohol as a paint prep will cause the clear coat to swell?
At 35 percent...no problems at all.
Newb here at this stuff...Thinking about trying paint correction compounding, polishing, etc. Can something like Super Clean be used as a panel prep before compounding? If so what dilution would be good or would I use it straight? If Super Clean is not good for this then I will likely go with something like Rustoleum, Dupli-color (easy to get locally) or Citrol 266 (taping my trim first, lol). Thanks in advance!
Why would you limit your IPA strength to 50/50. I haven’t noticed any issues. I have been using a 90% to wipe down, maybe I’ve been extremely lucky ?
Same here never had any issues
Higher than 50% is a ton of stress on the clear. Learned that at PPG R&D Center.
Apex Detail That’s interesting and good to know. Do you mind going into some more detail?
sure but what at what cost - what damage does it do to the clear coat.....? ipa is not good for clear coats also...especially now with clearcoat so thin.
Brian I have a question for you how about a can of Dupli-Color prep spray pain on the back of my 2008 smart car on the rear hatch I think it's plastic when I sprayed the prep spray on it they got real sticky looking it when I was rubbing it with a rag this black stuff was coming off my Rag and it was messing up my rear hatch like it was maybe stripping off some Grease the stuff but it looks like it's real sprache and everything what could that be it wasn't taking off the clear coat on the plastic was it
The sprayer may have a leak. That's why it's making noises every 10 seconds
It struggles to maintain pressure. There is a valve leak i am trying to find one.
Any thoughts on Meguiar's M122 Surface Prep?
Are you using a commercial paint sprayer as a pressure washer?
Great video Brian and an very interesting testing with panel prep products.
A thought just for fun would be to use Carpro Reset car soap on 1 section. But have it in a spray bottle that has a dilution between 1:200-1:300. As it's says to be comprimase the wax or sealant when you dilute it stronger than the recommended 1:500. Not a panel prep maybe but a great prep wash before you start the correction or reapply your LSP. Would be interesting to see if it could at least compete with the alcohol panel wipe products.
We have one store chain that seems to carrie the Citrol 266 here in Sweden. And when I'm in a town that have this store I definitely will get a couple of cans of this. We have a domestic product that from the SDS is very simualar to Citrol 266. But is marketed as a label off product as an adisive remover. Would bet that Citrol 266 is also good to remove stickers and emblems. How is it with use on glass with the 266? There are often stickers there that many wants to remove. Or even use it for a prep before a glass sealant or coating.
It works well in that situation as well....potent stuff.
@@apexdetail85 Nice!
Do any of the, "sold as surface prep" products specify any dwell times ar are they all spray and immediately wipe?
I wonder if you can buy Citrol by the gallon and cut it and make the world's best stripper more cost effective?
You can play with the gallon size to find the right dilution ratios.🙂👍
Gallon is my preferred choice -
use a stronger IPA solution, the minimum i use is ~50% (i buy 99% IPA and dilute 50/50)
I thoight u where using tide purple power ipa
Great video. Seems to show that most detailers with there one pass with fancy paint prep is doing nothing. Another detailing fallacy. How are the coatings adhering? Maybe you don't need a prep?
what about bodyshop paint prep thats acetone/xylene based? those get anything off, i feel these are alcohol in a bottle except citrol
I use acetone on bare metal, wood, etc....but not painted surfaces.
@@apexdetail85 duplicolor, prepsol, and Eastwood has that stronger paint prep that's low voc or something but it really cleans paint well and literally degrades sealants instantly, I feel like these are just alcohol and water, keep up the vids!
I gotta ask where do you get citrial 266 local? What store carries it in your area? If I could find it locally I would be much happier
Some Napa stores carry it, but not too many. There are three near me, and only one keeps it in stock. If they're in your area, it might be worth your time to give them a call.
2 places in my area...a diesel mechanic shop...and AGG Center.
Thanks guys!
install that hood to a car so it won't shake brian :)
Any cheaper options with the same power as Citrol?
Not that I have found.
One of the ingredients is gold... or unicorn tears.
The gallon is a good option if you are going thru a lot. You can cut it at different ratios, and personally, I like not having the aerosol.
What was used as the sealant for this test?
Do you like to use paint thinner or mineral spirits?
Not really.
Apex Detail all right thanks
Do the same video but with soaps that claim to strip wax!
That one is on the list.👍
Brian when are you going to test DPC Shield?
Within a few days.
prep all, duplicolor, and rustoleum are the budget ones.
McKee's 37 N-914? Is it really a proper paint prep like they say?
I will test it for ya.
@@apexdetail85 Sweet! I guess they are claiming it is a paint prep because they say it removes polishes and compounds, they don't claim it to remove wax/sealant. But they do say it leaves no polymers or gloss agents.
I’m a fan of 914 because its one of the few rinseless soaps that leaves nothing behind. I have yet to try their 8:1 for panel prep.