Do Paint Prep's Really Work Within My Industry & How To Use Them
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- SCOTT WITH DALLAS PAINT CORRECTION & AUTO DETAILING IN PLANO TEXAS SHOWS HOW TO USE A PAINT PREP AND DISCUSSES IF THEY ARE EFFECTIVE
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1. Dupli-Color EPS100000 Prep Grease and Wax Remover Prep Spray - 11 oz - amzn.to/2Q0VPF2
2. CarPro Eraser Intense Oil & Polish Cleanser 4 Liter Refill - amzn.to/2VX4PPi
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damn it, i love when something is demo'd right before your eyes and it's no bs
Why can’t you use APC on paint?
The next time I wash my car and neighbors walk by, I think I will just say “Hello folks! Scott with Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing” and see what happens.
Scott I love ya like a brother, it’s hard work being a perfectionist, how well I know. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the rest of the world and alway giving the client what they deserve. AMEN, sleeping good at night 🤙
Ever since I've learned , and used a car Claying product, I rely to claying my cars paint for the best & smooth'est finish prior to using a new Wax coating. I'm not fond of using any paint prep's, they are a waste of money & my precious time. Scott thanks so much for clearing the air on expensive paint prep's. For me it's a careful Claying & good car washing.
I use a P&B shop favorite for years, 3M Prep Solvent 70, it’s water based and removes all contaminants prior to paint application. I use it after paint correction to get back to virgin paint, don’t want compatibility issues with organic or synthetic sealants. Some of my customers want 845 after correction, this lets me apply only 845 to the paint without issues.
Gallons are $52 and up but a worthwhile purchase!
playing with the speed at 1.25 or 1.50 makes his videos hilarious to watch!! its like a game
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Pretty sure most alkaline apc's use cationic surfactants that don't rinse freely. Meaning it didn't actually remove the protection, just masked the water behavior.
Alternatively, hydrocarbon solvents like the one you used at first are naturally hydrophobic. Meaning it may have actually removed the protection but you couldn't see that until you removed the trace oils with an apc.
This why you rinse again after washing with a ph neutral soap with emulsifiers, or even an acid. Alkalines and hydrocarbon solvents mask water behavior in opposite directions.
Who's to say the APC isn't leaving a residue on the surface of the vehicle?
Perhaps an APC rinse, and then dry, and then hit it again with the body solvent?
Just a thought!
So many what if's....lol
I just want to strip the wax Trent.
The stripper would have done it completely if I did it 4 times, after the video I simply washed with megs gold glass to prepare for a future video and the panel was free of residue plus wax, and so squeaky clean the duke boys could never slide across the hood...lol
@@dallaspaintcorrectionautod8343thanx for all that truth and honest information...
I just use a spray bottle with super clean 5:1, I spray it on a panel and then wipe it down with my wash Mitt. WORKS LIKE MAGIC
what do you use now
I will say I used 1 ounce of Adam’s shampoo and 7 ounces of simple green (foam cannon) combo and the party bus was left super clean!
Scott thank you so much for your honesty if everybody was like you we wouldn't have these problems God bless you, I do love you just like everybody else thank you.
Dang, that Meguiar's Fast Finish is really good you proved it. Yet as shown the cleaner products are coming up short to expectations and dollars spent. We love honesty, you're held in my gold standards group. Keep it up!
I think those preps such as CarPro Eraser are designed to remove residual oils from polishing and also gloss enhancers and the like in order to prep for a wax/coating. You can actually restore some beading from sealants that seem to be gone and are just full of gloss enhancers from car soap. I always just use a homemade prep. Much cheaper and still gets the job done.
Edit: I don’t know where people got the idea that this is supposed to remove sealants/waxes. Does the bottle advertise it? (I’ve only seen eraser and it doesn’t say it’s formulated for that)
It probably didn't matter but just to consistent the panel should've been dried before using the APC and same water stream, just to be consistent. That said, if your doing a correction afterwards, why wouldn't it be ok to use the APC? I'm surprised it worked that well at 1:10, WOW!.
Thank you for the honesty!
We love you all Scott.
I only use that type of paint prep after I polish to remove any fillers if I’m using that type of polish. Other than I use dish soap or boat wash to wash the car to remove wax and sealants. I tried Adams strip wash, it’s ok but it did not remove the wash the first go round.
I've been using purple power vehicle and boat wash and super clean together and I have been impressed with the results of stripping off old sealants and waxes.
after you use the purple power vehicle and boat to strip down old wax/sealant, do you still have do iron x?
Mario Chavez how much super clean do you use with the purple power vehicle and boat wash and does it harm the paint??
I do the same thing with the purple power boat wash and super clean. I use it with neglected cars mainly. I thought my solvant paint prep was doing more than detergent to clean the paint. Guess not.
@@leonardocampos2114 I use about 2 oz of purple power and 1 oz of super per 1 gallon of water.
@@marklin0124 depends on how neglected or well maintained the car your working with. If it is really neglected then I will surely considered using iron x but if the car is well maintained than I wouldn't bother as much of wasting product on a clean car.
I am a little confused, Can I use this method of apc every time I want to strip sealant without harming paint?
BOOM! There goes the dynamite. Very helpful as usual Scott. Thanks.
Scott.
Ive been using APC diluted 10:1 whenever i felt like i want to slap a new fresh coat of LSP.
I spray the apc directly to the panel and, rub it once or twice with mf cloth and directly rinse the panel with Meguiar NXT soap.
I always successfully strip my old wax and sealant with that method.
I agree with u that Those paint prep are SO SO OVERRATED.
Ive really learned so much from this channel. Im always watching thanks!
Hey Scott, just a thought. Maybe the APC left some form of residue behind that hindered the sealants ability to sheet/bead. I’ve seen apex detail do the same type of test and after he uses an APC the sealant will act the same way. He then uses a paint prep afterwards and the behavior of the sealant will return. Just a thought 👍🏻
Maybe the paint prep he is using brings back some hydrophobic effect...
Some have a primer for a coating..
This product is a solvent based paint prep and supposedly leaves no residue behind...
The apc removed the sealant in this video...
If an apc can't do it or a paint prep, I guess we are all screwed and being deceived...
I know from years of experience an apc will in fact do it and the sealant doesn't magically reappear if I used a body solvent like dupli color grease and wax remover after a apc was used..
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@@dallaspaintcorrectionautod8343 what APC did you use?
Thanks Scott for your honest opinion/insight 👍🏽 I'll probably try some Purple Power APC diluted in my PH neutral soap and see how it works on taking off older wax and sealant.
Well that's interesting.
I think a much longer in detail video on just this subject would be very informative.
Maybe I missed something, but the front of the bottle never said anything about removing waxes or sealants. Residue and oils sounds like a product to remove their compound and polish. Again, maybe they specifically state that it can remove sealants. But based on the front label, it's telling a different story.
Ok...How can we verify it removes the things you mentioned??
Oils and residue plus synthetic polymers are extremely hard if not almost impossible to see or feel...
We need to be able as consumers to see it's ability to remove something because of it's extremely high cost...
Tell me what oil you would like me to remove from the paint in my next video and let's see if we could verify it's removal:)
Your next video could be "how do we know that polishing oils are removed". I mean it's important to be able to verify (I know we cant really) before putting things like a coating or quality sealant so they can properly bond to the paint. You could do a quick pass with a polish, see how the water reacts without wiping, buff off polish with just a MF and see how the water reacts, then use paint prep.
@@XboxStickey It's crazy right:)
Unless the people making these paint preps know all the different polishing oils from all manufacturers, how could it be absolute..
All polishing oils within compounds and polishes are typically proprietary and not disclosed:)
Thats why if I were to use a paint prep I would stick with the same company's polishes/protection. I used to see you speak highly of prep-all, is that just as ineffective?
Scott, what about DupliColor paint prep. Didn't you say that works great and on the first try?
Yes, how bout Dupli Color? Gonna strip and re-polosh for the winter?
DC paint prep is what I use before applying a coating. Definitely strips in one application. I spray directly on the towel only, and use a second clean towel for final wipe. Never had any problems or damage. I also *never* work in direct sunlight. Even if I'm at a mobile site I'll set up a portable canopy over the vehicle if I'm doing a coating or paint correction. 👌👍
Keith Olsen I’m a rookie, before I put down my sealant, is it necessary to strip off the detail spray used when clay barring the car?
Thanks for the honesty Scott. So... Now that I've wasted tons of money how do I effectively and economically prep my paint for coating after polishing? I'd rather stop the financial bleeding now then never. Thanks. Edit. Never mind. I watched more of your videos and finally saw my answer.
I always look forward tou your videos scott full of wisdom and hard work
I have the MSDS for Stripper. It IS just iso (10 percent) with a small amount of a surfactant. Just like Eraser and Gyeon's product.
Crazy that everyone is buying these expensive bottles of diluted IPA.
I think the assumption is that everyone is polishing applying to LSP, so yeah if you are just dealing with remaining polish oils maybe IPA is fine.
But we aren't always polishing everything. That's why PPG SX330 or Kleenstrip is handy.
Hey thanks for the heads up!!
Ones sold within my industry are extremely ineffective and it's sad:(
@@dallaspaintcorrectionautod8343 you bet brother anytime.
It IS sad. People are paying 20 bucks for a 16oz bottle of diluted IPA and I think SOME are under the impression that it leaves them with a LSP ready surface. Then people's coatings fail early and they wonder why. Ugh.
So what do you recommend after polishing a car? It seems every detailer recommends an IPA wipe down prior to applying a coating. Yet, you say those don't work and may affect the life of the coating.
i hear you Scott and thanks for sharing like always, i also think this a great video demonstrating the way water reacts to a treated wax/sealed surface as opposed to a no wax or sealant. learning so much from you sir, thank again.
Scott you need to get this video out to all the car paint shops, this is a huge issue for them, if a sealant isn't removed properly you have massive issues when re-spraying, they could also save themselves a fortune by using simple green. Honestly, since watching your videos, I've noticed how useless all car washes are, I know you're not recommending it but I'm going to start putting simple green in my car wash bucket, I'm sick of these products not being able to remove the simplest of stains on my car. How much would you recommend in a 5L(1.3L gallon) bucket ?
Scott, this doesn't seem all that surprising. All of the chemical tests trying to determine the tenacity of the various coatings and sealants use multiple hits of APC and strippers. The better ones are not affected and maintain sheeting/beading action after many, many hits. It almost seems to me like a waste of time. Just clean it good and then get out the buffer. You will have to clean or swap pads more often. What is the down side of the APC? Softens the paint? I enjoy your videos and appreciate the info and honesty. I know you love us all!
I don't know the composition of this product and can't find the SDS. Some petroleum distillates have hydrophobic properties. In the old days commercial car washes actually used kerosene as drying agents. Could this be what you're observing?
Well it's a residue remover..So if it's leaving something behind I guess it's not a residue remover after all...
Does that make sense??
You would use this before applying a coating and I don't think leaving a petroleum product behind would be beneficial...
I have the SDS. It's 10 percent IPA and 2 percent surfactant.
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What should be the right ratio for APC to strip off . 1:5 or 1:10 what do you think should be better if I am using 1 Litre bottle
another great video and good demo!
I make my own prep I mix a very little bit of super clean with isopropyl alcohol and water and it seems to work pretty good. Thanks for the vid scott.
I’m only using a paint prep after a correction or polish to Hopefully get a “clean” surface before adding my protection...don’t see the point in using an expensive product for this purpose. Hopefully most of these prep products are capable of that???
In another video , Scott you advised about using the Rustoleum Wax & Tar Remover as panel prep. I go some & it works good. Thanks & it's a fairly priced.
So Scott, why wouldn't I use Simple Green and do it the way you just did to clean my vehicle and or strip wax? Sorry if the question is stupid but I'm just a guy looking for the best and safest way to care for my paint. Thanks again for all the great info.
I wouldn't use a apc like I did in this video but I did say you can spray it on the paint and rinse quickly..
I wouldn't rub it in the paint straight like I would with a car soap...
I hope that helps with your question
I think he's just worried weekend warriors will use it inappropriately and complain about how Scott ruined their paint lol... But there are many professionals around the world that use APC - allowing it to dwell, then agitate - to effectively and quickly strip waxes and sealants.
Dallas Paint Correction & Auto Detailing Thank you for clarifying Scott, yes it helps.
Mix half alcohol, half distilled water, then add an ounce of apc. Works well.
It's made to remove polish oils and waxes, not solvent resistant polymers. It's to purge the surface of incompatible substances a ceramic coating would not bond to.
I've always heard to use Dawn soap from olders guys to remove old wax and sealants.... Is it safe to do so?
So would Rustoleum's Wax and Tar remover or Duplicolor's Grease and Wax remover be the most economical and safe way to prep paint? Should these products be diluted or used straight? As far as detailing specific paint solvents which ones are the most cost effective and safe for the average enthusiast who isnt a professional?
Use straight - Duplicolor's Grease and Wax remover
Duplicolor straight works great
Great honest real world review👍
So I always felt that that paint prep stuff was good for just taking off polishing oil’s, what about The dilution of rubbing alcohol ? At work today (my 9-to-5 job I work at a winery and were in crush) helped out a co-worker that had a huge spot of sap on her brand new car that’s been sitting for over a month 100+ degree weather, 91% proof rubbing alcohol took that crap right off ! I told her that now if she had any wax or sealant or protection on the car it’s gone!
I use these products to remove polishing oils to inspect my work, or prior to applying coatings after polishing. Never to strip waxes and sealants, they’re not effective as you show.
SAME! I have never used a wax and grease remover/ipa mix/paint prep to remove/reduce a coating , sealant, or wax. TF remover pre-soak w/ garden sprayer, followed by snow foam pre-soak w/Purple Power V&BW. Then Purple Power V&BW + Meguiar's Wash Plus hand wash, followed by all panels sprayed w/ NanoSkin iron free. Then Citrol 266 10:1 for tar and anything remaining on paint surface. One last handwash using Meguiar's Gold Class w/ clay towel. Then Dupli Color paint prep, wet sand (only if needed followed by paint prep,) compound, paint prep, polish, quick wash, paint prep, LSP. I feel like he could of talked about alternative products or diy solutions if the price of these paint preps was what he wanted to discuss.
I would love to see the same example again but with the rustolium wax remover.
Thank you Scott
on the Rustoleum and Duplicolor wax/degeasers - did those perform pretty much the same as this product? Why not use the APC instead, do you just have to rinse it off quickly for a particualr reason because it will leave some type of "damage" behind... very informative video!
Paint-preps are the last stage so I think again this video has it wrong. When you want to strip the paint APC (nowadays preferably biodegradable) is the way to go, and has always been (first spray & rinse, then maybe light wash, iron-remover, tar-remover, optional claying, normal wash...), paint-prep is the absolutely last step to remove the possible residue left from other used products. If some paint-preps market them differently thats another point but I try to use my brain as much as possible.
Ok..Tell me how you would verify they even remove the residues you speak of??
And why so expensive if it's just a "RESIDUE" remover..lol
By the way, oils can be a grease or a wax:)
Thanks Scott!
Hi Scott, what is your view on using sugar soap to strip sealant off the paint and other detailing process?
I just use citrol 266 and cut to the chase. It will remove fresh was and some sealants in one go.
Standard dishsoap !!!
I just mix some super clean with soap in a foam cannon and it does the trick 😎
Aren’t these supposed to be used to remove the last of old waxes or should I say waxes that have been on for awhile? As in towards the end of their advertised time of use?
Hey Scott, great and honest review as always. For stripping I heard great words about Poorboy's World Strip Down Wax Stripper, you should review it. Regards
Alejandro Alanis I saw that Waxmode uses it. Seems impressive.
@@groundcontrol6876 yeah that's where I saw it too :)
@@gallo81 I used it today to clean my front bumper and apply a coating. It worked great! I washed the bumper twice, rinsed off, then washed again after a good spray of Strip Down. I washed it one more time to make certain that nothing was left behind. The water did not bead or sheet. It just stayed there on the panel. And I hit it with Fast Finish less than a week ago. Strip Down is the real deal!
@@stephencarbonaro5462 wow, then this is a winner, I will try to get one! Thanks for your input Stephen :)
it's called a paint prep for a reason, it's to prep the paint of oil or polishing residue... no one ever said it would strip a sealant... I suggest to people if they want to apply a coating is wash the car down with an APC / CT18 mixture.
How could we verify it removed oil or polishing residue or synthetic polymers??
Think about it my friend:)
We typically can't see the things listed above...lol
I just payed about $25 for that bottle. I'm going to let the product sit for a while longer. Will be a nice 72 degrees outside when I do this.
Scott, do you always use products according to their instructions? I have this product and it says to let dwell for 1 minute. I noticed you didn't leave it on very long. Maybe the results would be different according to direction? I've never used it to strip a wax/sealant without washing/decon and claying and polishing beforehand. But it works to remove compound residue.
Thank you!!
Scott will dupli-color grease and wax remover work for removing clay line and then polish oils?
Is it possible the APC is leaving a film behind on the paint giving the appearance of no protection. Wipe it with paint prep again and rinse and see if the beading returns.
You're a great teacher!!!!! Thank You so much!!!!! :-)
Hi Scott, great video. I use solvent degreaser too for paint prep. It just that the microfiber towel got hard afterward.. any issue there?
Hello Scott have you ever used white vinegar (acidic) as a stripper/paint prep?
So if you were to use purple power ve hale boat wash then a paint prep wouldnt that do the job ?
Well who would remove their wax job after a week of applying? You did say that those strippers work best after 30+ days of wax being on the vehicle. Don’t think this test is viable unless you want to remove the wax job in less than a month. Maybe doing the test after the 30 days. Still love your videos! Learned a lot from you Scott. thnx
Cool video scott, ill stick with purple power 👍
Scott what is the harm of using a further diluted Simple Green. as long as they are rinsed well. Will APC harm paint
nice truthful simple review.sonetimes right or wrong the truth hurts..
That Meguiars sealant is better than i thought, or the products that are supposed to take it off just well kinda....suck.
More of the latter... Not saying FF isn't a good product, but that's not what Scott's trying to point out here!
@@pbakai182 well in a way he is. He's saying that these products that are supposed to be doing their job aren't and for the money your spending on them they should work without 3 or more applications to do their job. I know he isn't just taking about this particular brand but all of the name brands in general are just ripping people off and have been for years.
Yeah, what would be awesome, would be to compare Fast Finish to other brands that are expensive. I’ve heard that it can compete pretty well. Some of those big companies, while they can have some good products, they’re expensive, and not all of them work well. I’ve used Meguiars products in the past, and of course have been happy with the products for price and performance for the most part. I can’t say the same for some that I have paid more for, like from Chemical Guys for example. CG is alright, but I think I’m switching back to meguiars. I think his point, is what it always has been, you don’t have to necessarily spend a lot of money to get great results.
Love the video Scott.
If possible I would love a video where you go over your top 3 methods of removing a wax/sealant.
With all these different methods it’s just so confusing as to which would be the best for me to invest in as just a weekend warrior.
Wow. SimpleGreen at a 10:1 dilution completely stripped the paint of wax/sealant in one trial, which the Paint Prep did not even with two tries. So why NOT use an All Purpose Cleaner like Simple Green and wash and nutralize it out with a good car wash detergent?
Several others have asked the same question, but I have seen no reply. I would like to know the answer myself. Some comments here have said they use a diluted apc 10% and it works great, but no one has ever explained why that would be bad.
so I have had my doubts as well. I do a foam prewash with 1 ounce of ardex nuwave apc and 2 ounces of purple power boat and auto followed by a boat and auto contact wash. Iron remover follow up should be nail in coffin to any wax or sealant.
So what you are implying is that 1) Wash the car with Purple Power Heavy Duty 2) Strip off wax/sealant using an All Purpose Cleaner (APC) like Simple Green at a 10:1 dilution 3) Wash the car again with Purple Power Heavy Duty to neutralize the APC and leave the surface pristinely clean for the next steps: 4) Claying then 5) Applying Wax or Sealant.
What's so wrong about using Super Clean diluted 10:1 to get sealant/wax off the paint? I can't imagine it would harm the paint if used exactly the way Scott did it in this video - quick and effective. I just don't see the harm.
There has to be a better way. I see these products that cost a lot and don’t work well. I enjoy your videos you are very knowledgeable. I enjoy taking care of my Camaro SS it doesn’t talk back to me and doesn’t have any demands.😬😎
So why is it bad using all purpose cleaner on paint? It seems to remove wax just fine.
In thise scenario why you usee APC and not mineral spirits at the end? It would be effective? Thanks
50/50/of distilled water and purple power vehicle n boat does pretty good.
*HONEST, this is so lost in today's marketing thanks Scott!*
Would Purple Power or Krud Kutter pressure wash soaps be effective (and safe)?
Do you find that a recently corrected panel beads water naturally even before protection?
Hey scott,how come you or any of the other guys never say to beginners" its safe" ...im basically scared to spray such a harsh chemical on my paint prior to polishing.can i use pp degreaser watered down....talk to us.maybe cost isnt a issue...should we be using a apc right off the bat? Clarify please.
Is there any dillution ratio that you would reccommend with an apc?
Scott what about Meguiars Wash Plus!?! Will that remove it?
I watched a video where a guy used dawn and and really didn’t touch his sealant.
hey scott have you ever tried out shine supply products?
How about using lacquer thinner?
Don't know how expensive that stuff is, but it looks like to me you would not be getting enough bang for your buck. Just saying... Great video!!
So scott what is theblance to do with apc and paint prep?
Great vid, but what’s is the answer?
Has anyone tried Extra Tough on the paint to strip yet?
Speaks highly for Meguiars. 😉
What does AOC do to paint. ? You said don't do this at home
Some apc can mask water behaviour as well