Masters of the Air. Season 1. Episode 6. A german perspective of WW2.
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- čas přidán 22. 02. 2024
- Hello there and welcome to a sensitive scene from episode 6. I do hope you can appreciate it.
This is a series from Apple.
During WWII, five miles above the ground and behind enemy lines, ten men inside a bomber known as a "Flying Fortress" battle unrelenting flocks of German fighters.
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As my Hometown Gießen near Frankfurt am Main was bombed and a Bomber Crew bailed out nearby a lynch mob was after them. Before they could reach them a Kübelwagen arrived and the Wehrmacht officer forced them with a gun to back off because these were POWs and under his protection. This is a story my Great Uncle told me. He was 10 years old back then.
London was much the same
@@MartinWhite1957 London was a playground , compared to any german city .
he would rather shoot his own people than the enemy? not a particular good soldier if you ask me
@outrider425 it’s called following the rules of war.
No sirvió de nada porque despues hablaron mal de ustedes... La historia la escriben los que ganan.
My Grandfather grew up in a village near Mainz in Germany during WW2. He told me the stories of the war and how they could see the light of the fires coming from Mainz during the night due to the bombing raids. Once a british or american bomber went down and crashed into a barn in the village. The airman in it were already dead my grandfather told me but he speculated that the villagers would probably have killed them if they still were alive. They buried them next to the dogs on the graveyard but moved them to proper graves later when the americans arrived there so there wouldnt be any retributions. Horrible times...
Thank you for the historical insight. It is appreciated! Have a wonderful day!
Germans: bombed british cities, annexed and ruled said annexed countries with an iron fist, killed 6 million individuals, ans committing war crimes
Also germans when the allies strike back at them: "bro uncool"
That's a fair point. But then so is the fact that the Allies were no less evil and disgusting than the Axis. You can use relativism on it all you want but the bombing of German and Japanese cities by definition made the Allies lose any and all claim they had to being the "good guys". Dresden and Tokyo were not different from Nanking in any way, but the distance between the killers and those killed in cold blood.
@@metalltitan If a country was attacked, they have every right to retaliate. Any losses of civilian life is merely collateral damage, and would have been avoided if the germans or the japanese hadn't attacked in the first place and force the allies's hands. There's also a difference between those who kill in cold blood, and those who kill because it is necessary.
@@thatguynexus5935You should be ashamed of yourself for saying stuff like that.
@@tigerwaffe8120 For saying the truth? For sanctioning the retaliation of targeted nations against their aggresors? I'm not ashamed one bit.
@@thatguynexus5935 Well, I guess you have something in common with the Nazis…
You have the exact same speech…
In Vietnam the pilots all said that they were desperate to put as much distance between the place they just bombed hoping to be able to get to the waters of the gulf of Tonkin . These things happened just like we just saw .
“When the elephants fight, the grass gets trampled.”
Some of the targets in more infamous bombings were whole city districts, "workers quarters". People living there basically felt very much the same way as Americans did much later during 9/11.
Terror bombing, they used to say. Although IIRC British were much more intentional with this. Especially when firestorm methods were employed in Hamburg and Dressen.
Discussion on if they were war crimes or not is STILL going on. Personally I just hope we never get another war like this.
Dresden was bombed just as much by the US. Anyway, it was all horrible. Like you say I hope it never happens again.
Let's not mince words here. The 8th considered a bomb that missed by 300 yards a "hit", and far less than a quarter of all bombs came even that close.
As for the Royal Air Force, the "Area Bombing Directive" was in effect for a year, from February 1942 to February 1943, "officially" targeting residential areas. Note that e.g. the firebombing of Hamburg was *after* the Area Bombing Directive had been replaced by the Casablanca Directive...
The discussion whether those were *formally* war crimes *at that time* is still going on, because victors don't like to be remembered of the ways victory was achieved. As early as 1949, though, the Geneva Convention was reformed to make it clear(er) that such attacks *are* to be condemned.
Yup, quite right. Targets were specifically picked to cause widespread panic and moral drop from the inside. In Japan, the Americans dropped incendiary bombs on Japanese cities, knowing that the infrastructure was majority flammable and populated by civilians. In war, there is no one good guy. There are just good and bad people and soldiers following orders for their own country.
@@DevSolar such bombing are happening today in Gaza. When the war is over, it too will be remembered as a glorious victory of the righteous. Our need to justify our own brutality is baffling to me.
@@Rasaiel seed the wind reap the whirlwind
Disgusting how this brilliant Series resurrects the stupid old discussion about who fought a clean war. War is never clean, there is no good or bad because everyone has a reason to fight.
And war does not car if that reason has a moral highground or not.
Necesito ver esta serie. Parece buena .
My grandfather was a air raid warden in ww2 from what i learnt he pulled people from burning buildings in london that the germans bombed he never told us about it but my mum did. War is horrid and the civilians always pay sadly 😔.
“An eye for an eye, A tooth for a tooth” ~ Code of Hammurabi
Thank you for commenting. I had to look it up. Have a wonderful day!
@@Perfectblue33 You’re welcome. It means that they don’t have the rights to complain, They started it and they have to face the consequences. In war no one is excused.
@@emperor_napoleonI learn something every day. Thank you!
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.
Ghandi, I think. Forgiveness is hard but has to start somewhere.
I agree with you but i am afraid this wil never happen with the human race. Thank you for your comment. Have a wonderful day!@@JustinCase-qs6zv
The lines the Germans say are quite fitting to describe the psychological state one would go through when being a victim of bombardment.
If you know some German you will hear: "You have taken everything from us." - That would be the obvious: The bomber crews did hurt them and destroy their homes.
Then you hear them yell: "Cowards." which gives away the psychological element of the bomber crews being "untouchable" (physically while in the air and then also by law as pows). This makes everything even worse.
I don't know how I would have reacted in that situation. But if a family member was lost, I doubt I would care about any rules, especially since bombing civilians is a war crime by itself.
Not saying I approve of the crime depicted here. It just shows how thin the layer of order or civilisation is which I find fascinating.
Reap the whirlwind
Is this based on the Russelsheim massacre?
Nah that was in 1944 this is in 1943 I believe after the Black Thursday raid
@@prophet3204it’s still based on the Rüsselsheim massacre
@@Conici_AU source?
@@prophet3204 are you such a midwit you need a source you seriously can’t tell the very obvious parallels
@@Conici_AU
What is that ?
Who the hell were they to judge?
people were beaten to death but there were also instances were they got shelter and were hidden. so you can look at it both ways.
yes that did happen with quin and bailey i think his name was after they bailed landed in belgium and were sent back to england with the help of belgium and france rebels
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Masters of the air
Hey could you add the interrogation scene? :D
We are all pawns in games played by kings and tyrants.
You mean Jews
@@voodooprince5561 Cry harder Nazi
And goverments, elected in democratic proper way of course
at exactly 0.42 does he say THE BRITS ACTUALLY HIT SOMETHING FOR ONCE ? if so then this series is nothing but a big insult... I have massive respect for all the bomber crews and airmen during WW2 . My dads friend William Harris was a tail gunner in a Lancaster he used to look after me sometimes when m dad was working off shore when i was a kid I can imagine he would spit in the face of the script writer..... its just disappointing how many American movies are made about ww2 and they always make the British look useless or not involved at all.
There’s a book called Above The Reich that details many American pilots, but I think the strongest one for this is Doolittle. He goes into how individuals like him did not approve of the British night bombing campaign because it was a lot more indiscriminate and led to higher civilian population casualties - and I think a lot of that is just the nature of night bombing during that era. It’s not unrealistic that this opinion would’ve trickled down the ranks. Within the context, the insult does make sense and is just doing service to a probably historical occurrence and rivalry that went on.
It’s unfortunate we don’t see more of the British operations in the show. It makes sense that it does focus on a single squadron, but I can see why it’s frustrating nonetheless.
Officers like LeMay, on the other hand, did agree with the British bombing campaign.
@TheTestyDuck I was in the RAF for 8 years and spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan even went to Ukraine twice when the invasionstarted. I had never seen or heard rivalry with the Americans, and I made sure there wasn't... I have never heard any story of an RAF airmen or documentary commenting negatively about the Americans even though it may have existed... The RAF focused on night raids due to loosing heavy numbers of aircraft during the day and have conducted 1000's of bombing raids before the B17s showed up ....the Mosquito carried the same payload as a B17 but I would say in every modern ww2 film or series about the American perspective seems to airbrush out the British altogether and seek an opportunity to make the RAF or the Navy or the Army look inferior or unless... I really don't see the need for it .... even in saving private Ryan, the landing craft was piloted by the British royal navy, not the US.
In Band of Brothers, there was a scene with a British tank commander made to look usless and unprofessional when being advised of a Tiger Tank in the area ...
There is much more of this behaviour that seems to be compulsory in every WW2 movie or series recently, and it's just sad to see ... after all, this is propaganda, and today's uneducated youths can easily be influenced in the wrong way.
Battle of Britain was the best and most accurate ww2 film in my opinion I would be great to see thus film remade again but I have absolutely no faith at all in modern film making as it seems to just focus on looking green screen cool for the kids....
@@PXCBIKESand the Dambusters, British Lancs, British bomb by British engineers and flown by British and our brothers from the Commonwealth, no yanks there, too dangerous and not enough room for the Yankee ego.
@@davidhoughton273 Now you're the one that's making cheap shots.
@@davefrompa5334 my apologies….Oh I forgot to mention the yanks were late in both World Wars
My Grandfather lived near Bochum in the Ruhrgebiet, which was bombed very heavily. He told me, that the flanks shot down an american bomber and the crew got beaten to death by the civilians.
When he told me about the bombings, with tears in his eyes, the things he saw...i can truely understand this act of selfjustice!
This is why american pilots are told do not bail out above place they just bombed.
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Hello there.. I uploaded this scene because some of you guys asked me if i could show the perspective from the German side. I find it quite shocking to see. This was one of the best episodes i have seen so far. No action scenes but a real look at people during World War 2. I hope you like the video and as always. Have a wonderful day!
Thank you. It's the sad truth about war. Both sides lose😢
Some of the crews of B29s that bailed out over the Empire of Japan were eaten by Japanese soldiers.
Are you serious? I would like you too verify this. Thank you for your comment. Have a wonderful day!
It was necessary not to start a war
Hitler, famously, was elected by a plurality of the German people in 1932. That election set in motion the events of the next 13 years until, ultimately, the division and destruction of Germany, not to mention about 40 million people killed by Nazi Germany. Actions have consequences. Fuck the Germans who supported Hitler. Oddly enough, by the time Germany was occupied by the Soviets, Americans and Brits, nobody admitted to supporting Hitler anymore.
As a Frenchman, I understand the feeling that some civilians felt after the Anglo-American bombings.
The British and Americans ravaged entire towns and villages during the Battle of Normandy, causing thousands of civilian casualties. Some bombings were unjustified and strategically of no use. When the Allied infantrymen entered Normandy, they received a rather lukewarm reception. The population, in some places, was cold and unenthusiastic towards the Allied soldiers.
You're welcome
That's against the Geneva convention.
Yea so is killing 6,000,000 Jews.
So is flying civilian airliners into civilian buildings.
Gentlemen’s rules aren’t always followed by ungentle people..
@@US_Navy_SUPPO True enough.
@@US_Navy_SUPPO6,000,000 really? What next? Maybe the jews that are killing now Palistine children? Or ukrains who are killing Russian Children since 2014? Lol
@@US_Navy_SUPPO so is the killing of civilians in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.
Sadly, no country is above committing war crimes, depending the circunstances.
Just saying.
@@armandomendoza9028don’t forget Ukraine, Yemen, Israel, Georgia, Chechnya
The old saying of the Americans bombed during the day, Brits at night
No Remorse !!
I know right they started the war .
@@gabrielacard7050brits and France started the war
@@RandomEmperor Yeah, after Germany had already invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland...
Should they have just allowed Hitler to keep going?
@@RandomEmperor I think you got some facts mixed up there, bud.
@@StudleyDuderight check out Zoomer Historian, pretty interesting dude
“bUT tHE AvERaGe GerMaN dIdn’T sUPporT the NaZiS oR thE wAr”
The average German did not support the war, but the war destroyed their homes and ended the lives of their spouses and children.
How would you have reacted if someone bombed your home and took your family away from you forever?
Welcomed them with open arms?
You're acting like the american civians wouldn't do the same to the 9/11 attackers if they bailed
All is fair.
Brits actually hit some thing for once....!!!!! Seriously.....and this from the yanks....😂😂😂
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Shut up gyatt.
You're a gyat.
Our bombing was devastating in Germany.
English and us. .but the American air force was known for it's creepback....
Aww poor nazis 😂😂😂😂
Thanks for commenting there. Have a wonderful day!
You mean the civilians? Yes, poor people. And how do you know they were Nazis? Working class people were often enough rather more into social democracy and maybe communism. But they lived in a dictatorship without much chance to do anything about it. They are just trying to survive.
@@Perfectblue33poooooor geeermaaansss😂😂😢
Imagine your neighborhood getting deleted and someone tells you, "aww, poor (insert your government here)"
@@marekfiedoriwicz9532poor polaks... oh wait no one cries about them... The world only cries about the jews 😂😂
I don’t feel sorry for Palestine!
Let's hope that it won't turn out in a regional war. To each his own opinion sir. Have a wonderful day and thanks for commenting.
That's why people are able to commit war crimes
The americans are innocents saints in every american film 😫😭😢😖... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What do you want? Movies about evil Americans? Go watch Wolf of Wall Street. You’re in the wrong place.
The Rüsselsheim Massacre actually happened.
I mean, they literally bomb cities to rubble. I don't think the show is interested in painting the bomber crews as "innocent saints". And these types of mobs did really happen, typically spurred on by the SS. The bomber crews didn't get the brunt of German atrocities, but they were still victims of it.
Have you actually seen the show? America isn't the good boy here. Anyways, the context for this is based off real events. Its well established pilots, especially bomber pilots, who landed near where they just bombed had a far higher chance of getting butchered.
@@SaladofStones The average German could not tell the difference between bomber pilots and fighter pilots. If they saw an allied pilot shortly after a raid or in the area of a raid their best bet was to be picked up by the army or luftwaffe. Because if the civilians would get a hold of them they might be lynched
@@mikkel066h Typically fighters weren't shot down their raid portion, on average, especially since they spent most of their time shooting up other fighters.
Mob justice is still justice 😈
Say that to the murderered jews.
I wonder if these guys had the same reaction when their kids flattened East London, and Coventry, and Canterbury, and Liverpool and Southampton and many others. You reap what you sow
germans had it coming when they decided to fuck things up in europe bro
@@AB-mw8oz Except the Americans and British did the same to the Germans, but on a much greater scale. The Allies dropped nearly two million tonnes of bombs on Germany, destroying some 60 cities and killing more than half a million. British civilian losses are a drop in the ocean in comparison.
@@freddiebox "But murica" is a shit excuse. Germans flattened cities left right and center. Only people didn't react with sorrow to those
The British were bombing German cities way before the Luftwaffe retaliated on London.
"We fought the wrong enemy "
George Patton
Yeah, the Soviet is the enemy
God hes rolling in his grave looking at how we are now adays
You seem to have forgotten Warsaw, rotterdam and many others. French were the first to bomb Berlin.
Why are you using a quote referring to the Soviet Union as if it was meant for the Brits? What are you smoking 😂
away with your revisionist garbage
This is only what the British suffered during the blitz
Clearly this is an American film as the us airmen were practically perfect in every way, note he blamed the RAF for the destruction “oh the brits must have hit something, for a change” the US we’re equally as poor as the RAF at the start of the bombing campaign, only the RAF didn’t needlessly lose hundreds of aircraft because of the poor tactics used by the US, they lost so many they wouldn’t go to Germany and had to at some point stop their bombing campaign
Womp womp
Oh right, so Dresden didn’t happen?
Lmao the Brit’s started the bombing of civ targets and committed more air war crimes than the Germans did.
Sad they have to have the usual crack at the Brits as per every one of their series when it’s so comically out of kilter with the reality that they’d even know what the British were bombing in the first place.
The RAF bombing campaign was actually far more destructive and deadly than anything the Luftwaffe did to other cities. The Blitz was tragic, but the RAF bombing campaign against German cities was almost apocalyptic in its scale of destruction. Massive raids like against Dresden, Hamburg, Pforzheim, Darmstadt, and Wurzburg that killed at a minimum 20,000 each. There isn't much equivalence between what German cities suffered and what the British suffered during The Blitz. The English remorselessly destroyed German cities of little military value even long after it had become obvious Arther Harris' "terror bombing" was doing nothing to shorten the war. And trying to defend the Western Allies' bombing campaign by saying the Germans "started it first" is a lame argument. The Allies were purportedly the "good guys" in that conflict, it wasn't necessary to stoup down to the level of the Nazis in destroying cities just for the sake of destroying cities.