Explaining Pyra & Mythra's Massive Hitboxes (Smash Ultimate)
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2021
- Once again it's time to look at another DLC character, or two for that matter. Becasue today we are taking a look at Pyra and Mythra's hitboxes. With double the characters it also means double the hitboxes, so I hope you enjoy todays a little longer than usual hitbox analysis video.
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Lightning Buster ignores the weight class of characters and automatically sets any characters weight that’s getting hit by the move to 100. What I love about this is that in Xenoblade 2 Lightning Buster’s special ability is that it can ignore defense. I just love the little reference Sakurai made there
That... Explains why I've noticed it being so inconsistent, killing heavies insanely early (well, compared to anything else Mythra can do at least,) but then not doing as much as I'd expect to lightweights.
Good to know.
@@ElecManEXE yup 👍
wow, neat!
Oh my God it does...
That's awesome!
Mythra: Hey Sakurai, how many hitboxes are you gonna put on Lightning Buster?
Sakurai: *yes.*
Yes
What about photon edge?
Also sakurai: Y E S
The whole rainbow and then some
What about Flame Nova?
And also Sakurai: *Y E S*, also make the hitboxes look like a sandwitch.
Anyone else severely hate fighting these 2? I love my girls, but MAN they need to chill out
Fun fact: it's possible for characters like Kirby, Snake, and Jigglypuff to crouch under the multihits of Flame Nova and for Snake, he can crawl away from the last hit
This move needs to be fixed, it doesn't break tought guy and the priority is awful, it klanks with jabs and get beaten by some tilts, it's nuts.
@@noirlavender6409 it's like bayo's smash attacks,it's supposed to be situationally used.
@@ahmadkazan217 at least flame nova kills and do much damage, but yea is weird that doesn't break thought guy
@@noirlavender6409 A lot of moves don't break Bowser tough guy tho. Just remember that when playing bowser's
Cozy
A lot of weak moves that don't put the users in danger*, such as certain weak jabs or ranged moves. It doesn't make sense for a move with such vulnerability and power to be unable to break through tough guy.
Photon Edge is just insane with the disjointed _hurtbox,_ while Blazing End's visualization is just mesmerizing to me since it just looks like a flying sword that was thrown like a boomerang before spontaneously deciding to stop being a boomerang and start being PK Fire. I especially love how it slows down like it's about to stop before suddenly speeding up again for the last hit and then slowly collapsing. It just looks like the sword has a mind of its own, which you can argue that it kind of does.
Also, you can only reflect the "boomerang" part of it and not the "PK Fire" one.
the blazing end of your life
It really does look like it should be a boomerang, but it's not.
I don't think Photon Edge being disjointed is that bad. If you want to contest the move just shield it and you can punish with a smash or any combo starter. It does provide the benefit of beating more stuff out but that's it. You can also still trade with it with the right move and it loses to projectiles straight up
Pyra and Mythra's hitboxes summarized: *skittles*
Taste the rainbow with a hint of fire and light
sees province revolt hotbox: Is that a snowman
Sephiroth would be so jealous. He only has grape and orange skittles, MythPy has the entire rainbow.
Marth's spike: A small dot that lasts a single frame.
Pyra: *THE WHOLE FUCKEN GIANT SWORD*
Ah that’s why I can’t spike with mythra which sucks because pyra has the worst recovery in the game
@@Fentnihilator Pyra is nowhere near having the worst recovery in the game.
@@applemoose9675 pretty much she has. The horizontal distance is literally non-existant and the vertical is not so high. Ganon at least can prevent at certain degree edgeguarding and mac horizontal recovery is minuscule, but exists.
Ur fault for not playing dlc :shrug:
@@applemoose9675 She's definitely down there, Mythra's even worse. I think you would have a tough time naming 10 characters with worse recoveries than them. I'm not 100% sure about Mythra because photon edge to ledge might or might not be punishable with aerial spikes or other aerials. They can end up off stage on fairly early percent in a position where they have forced recoveries (only one clear recovery route) or situations with very few options. Any hit that sends far horizontally is an awful scenario for them.
I agree Ganon's is worse because he lacks Pyra's air speed/floatiness, has a bigger hitbox and smaller vertical distance than her plus slower travel time and worse hitbox on his recovery.
Mac's recovery is severely underrated because he has one of the best air speeds in the game, side B beats out practically everything and you can't challenge up B from above. Even Samsora has said Mac is not that easy to edgeguard. Pyra's and mythra's is worse imo
He doesn’t even sugarcoat it or alliterate it, they’re just “massive”
It's alliterative for Mythra
just like nintendo likes their lawsuits
@@waylonidris5163 no
@@waylonidris5163 You'd be right, nobody cares
@Easton Joaquin *shut*
The Lightning Buster hitboxes just look like somebody made the hitboxes accurate to the sword but somebody else thought they were too small for a dlc character and just slapped a massive hitbox on them
Aka the Smash 4 Cloud treatment.
Sakurai really wanted to make sure all the multihits they had hit, because they put *54* frames of hit stun on Pyra's blazing edge.
Meanwhile, people still fall out of multihit moves like Ganon's Nair or Samus's Up Smash more than anything in the world.
The amount of times I literally was stuck for a full second before the other 50 hitboxes hit me from side b is insane.
Should’ve named it “Pretty massive” to represent both Pyra and Mythra lol
Yes he should’ve
Or privileged and massive
Or passive and massive
Hitboxes aren’t the only thing
Yes
Considering who got the adjective treatment, we can certainly say that Rekzius prefers Mythra, as a fighter of course.
I prefer Mythra
as a waifu of course
I really don't wanna answer that
Pyra's range on everything is much better so massive hitboxes is more about Pyra
@@Bladieblah Apply more context because someone may get the wrong idea
Pyra and Mythra hitboxes summarized:
Ball Pit
funi
If there's quotes that embody these hitboxes, they're: "It's not even a hitbox. It's just a pack of Skittles" and "It's a snowman!"
So are we going to get a Kirby Hitbox analysis after the last fighter of the fighter pass is released to show off every unique neutral B?
Man, everyone with a spinning nair has different frame data, don't they? Even when it's the same fighter, the hitboxes are different here!
Take a shot every time Rekzius says: “It’s very DLC”
We both know the dlc characters always be better than the non-DLC👀
@@dorianoryan7178 except Banjo
@@SabreSmasher oop🤭
@@SabreSmasher The most non-DLC DLC Ultimate character ever. :P
@@mathunit1 Even more non-DLC than Piranha.
They're not "hit boxes", they're "surprise collisions".
the smash community: it's not all about edge guarding
sakurai: let me show just wrong you are
-Ok Sakurai we can have this small hotboxes that follow the sword or we can have this big ass hotboxes that cover shit ton of space
Sakurai: Yes
-Yes to what?
Sakurai: *YES*
You missed the opportunity of having the title say “Powerful and Massive” instead of just massive.
Also DAMN THOSE HITBOXES ARE BIG
My thoughts exactly.
*Just like their ti-*
Bro that pyra neutral b hitbox looks like skittles
11:46 "It's a projectile"
Pythra mains: "I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that"
I feel using default skin for hitbox visualisation would be better so it’s easier to tell them apart
they use alts so you can see the hitboxes clearly
Just differentiate them with their hair length
You can't notice pyra's bigger hitboxes? Yikes
@@fancyclown3593 hehe
I think we were at the mercy of whoever made the hit box visualization.
Mythra: PHOTON EDGE!
Rekzius: **Stroke**
Or maybe that was neutral B
@@RTDelete I find the flame nova particularly interesting. They know the autolink angle can fail sometimes and instead they use multiple angles to launch closer to Pyra but not too close. It makes sense if you consider she can move while doing the attack, making necessary more hitboxes than usual.
@@N12015 ALL OF THE HITBOXES
@@RTDelete With that order we wan identify which were done by a student in practice and which by a professional. Mythra's Neutral B was made by an student, as well as the F-airs and B-airs, while Pyra was made by someone with more experience, and the same goes for the tilts.
I think the reason they add a giant hitbox over top a bunch of smaller ones is to cover for thinner characters.
If a move even slightly goes into the Z-axis, a thin character like Joker or ZSS could just stagger their walk & not get hit.
That's my only explanation for it.
"She's beautiful, she's powerful, she's got huge... Hitboxes!"
and huge...
absolutely massive...
HORRIFYINGLY HIGH AMOUNTS OF COMBO POTENTIAL GOD HELP ME
So many of these hitboxes look like the devs were a bit pushed for time, where they made some sword-accurate ones, tried them out, felt they were a bit too strict and added some larger boxes on top for testing, then Sakurai bursts into the room and takes all the code to the announcement event.
"It doesn't hit behind her"
*side b hits behind Mythra*
So Sakurai, about what you said...
Edit: neutral b but they both do anyways
*neutral b
@@nuttellaguy6315 Still hits behind tho
gabsr
The second hitbox*
@@frlfrl2098 That sucks you into the rest
@@andricode Yes
It sometimes feels like Ganon doesn't have the hitbox interpolation on the forward smash
These are some Smash 4 Cloud hitboxes lmao.
Those up-smash hitboxes are so satisfying, how they just slide into one another.
Super DLC Hitbox Bros.
You probably shouldn't have used the skin where they look so similar, while I could follow along fine people less familiar with the characters might lose track at times which of the two they're looking at.
Pyra and Mythra certainly have large "hitboxes"
The painful comment about Little Mac's air dodge really hurt.
12:43 I discovered this by accident, using these hitboxes can set you up for a nasty combo that even has KO potential.
15:02 that just looks like the kahoot menu
LMAO
I feel like the landing hitbox is there to prevent nair loop shenanigans, honestly. See Palutena or even just Mewtwo for as to why.. kind of annoying.
PSA: Pyra doesn't live longer than Mythra, as Mythra's higher fall speed tends to negate knockback more than Pyra's higher weight does
in ultimate fall speed is automatically set to a value (i recall it was 1.8) while in hitstun
Pyra lives 4% longer than Mythra
i hope "Massive" in the title is a reference to Massive Melee Mythra in xb2 which unlocks her censored outfit
I'd love to see Villager's hit boxes, I feel like I don't understand them sometimes!
Thank you for the info on the photon edge hurtbox!
That move is a mess. I'm really grateful to actually know ho it works, and why projectiles hit it the way they do.
Pyra and Mythra: *have massive hitboxes*
Ivysaur: Ivy Ivysaur
(Translation: My true successors.)
Damn you took no time at all with this one! I really like playing them and Mythra is so much faster than I thought.
Did you know?
Pyra and Mythra are great characters, but they are Prominence Revolting to fight against.
Good joke
I want to Thanos snap them into chroma dust
Can we Blazing end this
If I were to take a guess as to why the Neutral Specials were like that, I would guess that they put hitboxes on the swords before realizing that it was too inconsistent, especially for a slow power move on a DLC character. So they solved the problem by putting much bigger and more consistent hitboxes there, but then just didn't delete the old hitboxes.
It’s not just the hit boxes, you’re forgetting something else
This is the best and funniest hit box episode yet!
0:33 ok, we already thought it might be true, but now we know that Rekzius likes FE4
Yeah I saw the hitboxes before this, and I was asking myself, *Ok which intern made these?*
6:53 Alright, let's give Marth a big sci fi sword, see how he handles
Man I love this series. More boss hitboxes in the future? 🤔
Homura/Hikari are SO broken it’s hysterical. With the minor exception of aerial recovery of course xD
It’s not the only massive thing around here.
Bazinga
1. go to training mode as pyra
2. set camera to close up and speed to 1/4
3. face left
4. downsmash
yw
During my first day testing these two I got GRABBED out of mythra side B and I didn’t understand until now
End the Phrase;
Pyra and Mythra‘s massive...
“Sword”
I was waiting for this video just to see what photon edge looked like, and I am not disappointed
The first hit of lightning buster (first 2 when charged) is invincible
Great video!
Would love to see a video explaining the making of these videos
you should do k rool next. his hitboxes are kinda jank
Is it me or are the janky characters the most fun?
Not really but it would be nice to see visuals, specifically on why Back Air and Forward Smash outright miss opponents at times.
@@Bloyster_Sauce No, they are so much fun. Trust me, I played King K. Rool for so long and enjoy dominating with him from optimal plays.
@@PrettyKoolCrocodile yeah, and somehow at other times they reach too far
@@PrettyKoolCrocodile hell yeah. And when you get a double hit on a gordo! Mmmm. Ooh or when you only hit the weak part of marths upsmash.
i've been watching some of your videos for awhile, and i've been wondering, do the colored hit boxes have any significance?
Why does pyra's f tilt have a different visual with the sword when you swing it left. the swing looks different
I just watched a video by Pjiggles and this man sounds almost exactly like him
When playable game assets are coded, generally speaking you want to maintain the hit/hurt boxes of all the assets, and character assets work best with rounded edges or overlapping circles. That way environmental/moving asset collision looks and functions smoothly. There's a lot that goes into making it work the way we see it, even outside of collision completely. So if an asset/animation has a sword, generally you want to include that sword, even if there are larger hitboxes that appear to make it redundant. Game engines don't make assumptions. They do strictly what you tell them to do. So it's almost always best to aire on the side of caution.
In addition to the crazy hitboxes, has anyone noticed a very short end lag for their neutral b’s? I swear the Mythra CPU throws out lightning buster, I shield my way through it, then go for the punish but she somehow has time to either evade it or hit me first.
Why is it that when I hear of Pyra & Mythra's "massive hitboxes", I'm brought back to memories of how Smash Twitter went into chaos over 7.0.0 Zelda?
You can definatly see which hitboxes were made by the trainee and which by the long time programmer.
neutral b is the one made by the trainee and up smash the programmer
One day "Ike's irritating hitboxes" one day
Nope, Ike is pretty much dead in the metagame at this point.
Finally, some DLC fuckin hitboxes
They’d have to change the game’s rating if DLC fucks their hitboxes.
The only things that annoys me is mythra's foresight, mostly because i use bayo and bothers me that in comparison with bat within its way better, if bayo wasn't so vulnerable after activating it i wouldn't be mad, probably the only down side of foresight is that leaves mythra more vulnerable against comand grabs
dude ur bayo.... don't be complaining about no foresight with that bs witchtime
@@sofakingstewpid if that was useful in ultimate i wouldn't be complaining
@@andresmiltongutierrezorteg2764 it is useful, uptilt any attack and just smash attack them.. 1 2 easy done it
@@sofakingstewpid then maybe I'd you having a bad time in di, since almost none tilt combo into a smash attack
@@sofakingstewpid lmao are you really complaning about bayo in ultimate. The character is like top mid tier at best.
Could you look at Lucas' hitboxes next please? It would be great for others to see his hitboxes, maybe ness and mewtwo too
6:51 Well, the word "blade" IS in the name.
15:00 Huh. Well that would explain why I'm struggling, feeling like it's breaking full shields, but not being able to recreate it. Or I'm just coincidentially hitting weakened shields sometimes. Or my theory that I'm hitting with a front hitbox and then all of the back hitboxes is true? But the fully charged version does 7 strikes, ending in front, and it was always fully charged when i was breaking shields, so I dunno?
“Massive”
Hehe
Hey now, Smash is for good boys and girls.
@Festive Boi That's probably a good thing
Mythra's "massive melee" hitboxes?
Should’ve been *’Pretty Massive’*
And it represents both Pyra and Mythra
I’d like to see you talk about one of the Links. If I had to choose one, it’d be Toon Link.
There it is, Flame nova's hitboxes
Behind the jellybeans?
It *is* the jellybeans
Can we possibly get it changed to Pretty Massive hit boxes the title card does match with the characters name
*Pyra and Mythra's Preposterously Massive Hitboxes
You should do Pyra and Mythra next!
Hitboxes? Is that what we're calling them now?
flame nova's starting hitboxes look like a secret spy code
Me watching this when didn't even have a Switch
*INTERESTING*
10:16
Thats what you're lookin for
I'm not sure if I'm glad this character got into the game or not
Very well phrased.
“How many hitboxes should this move have?”
“Yes.”
How much you wanna bet he's gonna say "dlc hitboxes" and "very dlc" or mention anything that he thinks only a dlc character would have atleast thrice in this video
photon edge is great to counter with greninja's substitute, very dbz-esque fight. greninja is actually pretty good against both characters (that spinning sword attack is good for substitute, but my fav move against the spinning sword attack is kazuya's f+f+a, hard to pull off but oh so rewarding)
Forgot to mention but with Pyra's neutral special can be shifted to one side or the other if DI properly
Pit mains are screaming looking at these multihits.
appearantly lightning buster ignores weight, meaning it KOs bowser at the same percent as it KOs Pichu
Now I've got something to test... Thank you.
@@SuperZeve my source is one guy from twitter so take it with a grain of salt
Bowser went to line 27 for me. Pichu went to line 25, but a swing missed pichu. :/
Adding about the amount of damage as the damage of the missed swing, Pichu goes to line 28.
They're so good
So what I've learned is that how well done the animation is is inversely related with my ability to comprehend anything about the hitboxes
Their massive..... Hitboxes. Yes, hitboxes
I wanna see Lucas, I don't think you've done his before. It'll be: Lucas' Lovely/Lackluster hitboxes. You can choose depending on which one is more accurate :')
mom said its my turn with the hitboxes
Not a DLC character, but Yoshi hitboxes could be interesting to look. Side B would be interesting to visualize and his tilt attacks I’m pretty sure are just outright missing hitboxes.
He sounds like @zefrank1 when he’s talking about the full charge of lightning buster.🤣 13:58
As an Incineroar main, I’d like to see a Incineroar hitbox video.