How To Choose A Turbo Trainer
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2024
- Turbo trainer, indoor trainer or ergo trainer. Whatever you choose to call one, they're a fantastic training tool. Here's GCN's guide to choosing one.
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Turbo trainers are a great way to keep fit if you don't always have the time to ride outside. They're also great for high intensity training to supplement your other work on the bike. There are several different types of turbo trainer on the market: magnetic, fluid and direct mount, not forgetting the alternative option - rollers.
Daniel Lloyd and GCN break down the benefits of each turbo, helping you to make the right decision when it comes to buying one.
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I think we need a 2017 Update of this lads! Lot's of new trainers out there ...
2019:))
@@zokers815 2020
Yeah but theyre still those 3 main types XD
LoL 2022
For rollers there are generally 3 size drums. 4.5", 3.0", and 2.25". The resistance goes up with the drum size going down. 2.25" has 90% more resistance than the 4.5" drums. So if you want to get more of an interval workout on these you can buy ones with smaller drums. The 4.5" barely have any resistance. I've used some and at 300 watts (I weigh 147lbs) I was doing over 35 mph and running out of gears!
You guys are the best most reliable bike go to guys. Awesome! Thanks:)
Well, I have a tacx blue matic, which i noticed you show a glimpse off. I did a video about it and had some people slate the equipment, but for the money, it's alright. It's not as good as going on the road, but after walking the dog, in lockdown, then I can't go out on the road, so it's good enough! Good video. Straight talking, and not uppity, which is so common nowadays!
During the winter I use both a Kurt Kinetic 'rock and roll' fixed trainer and a set of CycleOps rollers. The rollers are definitely more engaging. I like the fixed trainer for intervals, simulated climbs and just plain hammering...
I used the Tacx T2500 Booster which comes with a solid metal spinner and a adjustable magnetic spinner to set up the resistance from November till early April just few days ago. Today it is my first outdoor riding and I can see the effect on my power specially it is quite windy today about 35km/h wind. My average for the entire 55 km holds at 23.7km/h which is the flat ground mild wind during last summer. Now that is impressive, but to keep the daily training for the entire winter it is a challenge for me at the beginning till I found out I am no longer illegal to wear ear phone listen to my favorite beat music, because it is in my home now, which typically 5-7 music for half an hour so I know if I had enough or not.
I use an elite real tour trainer ideal when its snowing or lashing down with rain.
It uses a variable resistance motor which adjust automatically as you view the dvd course.
I've got the one you see at 4:45. The one thing I seriously dislike about it is the noise. My advice is to go for a fluid or direct drive trainer if your budget allows it.
Wish I could have seen this video earlier...
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Einfache Montage und Handhabung mit sehr gutem Trainingserfolg.
If you are at all serious about indoor training, direct drive is the way to go IMO.
Having to switch tires to avoid tire wear is a hassle, and that tire will wear after a winter's workout indoors.
I intend to get one by next season.
The magneto or fluid trainers are not that noisy though.... I mean during normal day evening use the noise level is acceptable. Not as bad as some other types of noise heard in apartment buildings. That also my opinion.
That Factor is stunning!!!!! Will Dan do a test on it?
Since you are featuring ELITE, it's also worth mentioning that they make mag resistance rollers too. I've got a set and they are much harder than the base model with no resistance. I can get up to threshold power for TT training easily, however I wouldn't do intervals or sprinting on them, I use a turbo for that.
Hey there! I just came across this new project called the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike, and it looks really fascinating. I love how it combines indoor fitness and outdoor exploration. Plus, the fact that it can be charged when using indoor mode is a game changer! The brushless 750W motor and the smart saddle detection feature are definitely impressive. It's great to see advancements in e-bike technology. Keep up the excellent work, freebeat! 🚲💨
Why no actual pricing numbers? seems silly to say that something is twice as expensive, just give me the actual price.
Because pricing changes all the time but relative pricing doesnt. Turbo's back then were much more than they were about a year ago and much less than they are today. But relative to each other they still increase in price in that order.
Thanks for the excellent video. I use a Brompton bike for commuting during the summer but is there an indoor trainer that I could use for it to keep my fitness up during the winter months?
Muy bueno excelente vídeo.
Dan,
You should mention Trainer Road!
I'm getting a new turbo trainer tomorrow!
I love my Kinetic !
Thank you.I have been looking at TTs this week & may find a bargain at the bike show next week. Are weighted vests a good idea for training on hills?
Can we have an indoor Tom Last epic climb video please featuring the latest turbo trainers and a Chosen epic climb from the software / videos available? It may be as good as the Jens Voigt vs. GCN race on zwift. #torqueback
tacx satori's are great and do not make too much noise
I have an old bridgestone that isn't quick release. Can I still use that bike with a magnetic trainer?
Hi GCN!Thanks for the videos! This winter I'll buy an entry level Elite trainer. I will also get an extra wheel an tyre because I have an extra cassete. But since I'll be using the same chainrings and chain, won't that add an extra wear to these components?
as it's being used on a trainer with a clean and correctly lubricated chain, wear will be kept to a minimum compared to outside. it will wear at its natural rate. thanks Jon
could anyone hear the phone go off in the video the samsug whistle
I see you guys got a hold of the Vis Vires! Do you think a review of that bike would be possible in the near future?
I want a review as well that would be awesome!!!
Sponsered by elite...? But sick bike, love the factor bikes :)
Global Cycling Network Which bartape is used, 38 seconds into the video? :)
Thank you!
I'm thinking of getting a smart trainer, either the Elite Qubo Digital Smart B+ or the Tacx Vortex Smart Trainer, Which do you think I should go for as they both look pretty similar. I have not had a TT before so am not too sure about them but do want something under £300 that has auto resistance that I could use with apps/computer like Zwift. Your comments/help appreciated.
can you do a 2018 update of this
I'm looking into picking up cycling as a hobby/exercise. My long-term goal is to be able to cycle a certain 21-mile track. I'm rather overweight but I know how to cycle and am mostly doing this to lose weight doing something I enjoy. My partner also wants to start cycling with me this summer just for fun. However, I want to get a trainer so I can cycle indoors when I'm short on time or the weather isn't good. I really don't care about how realistic it is, and see little use for smart meters or power meters given what I'm using it for.
Can anybody give me advice about what turbo trainer to pick? I think the magnetic one may be enough but I want to be able to hear my TV so I can cycle with the TV on. Has anybody purchased a magnetic one and can share their experiences?
Batman wouldn't look out of place on that bike. Looks wonderful.
Hi folks. Great channel by the way. I've just ordered a cycleops2 fluid trainer as I want to improve my cardio and lung performance between rides. I have a question about buying a training wheel. My road bike runs with a Campagnolo Centaur 10-speed groupset except with an 11-28 Veloce rear cassette. If I purchase a training wheel, will one with a 10-speed, 11-25 shimano cassette still work? I don't really have much idea about the interchangeability of the different manufacturers.
Thanks guys.
rosson1983 Some will work well together and others won't. There are some great articles out there on the internet about this and we may well do a video ourselves on it shortly.
Global Cycling Network I see on your training videos that you use Elite Turbo Muin like in Sa Colobra climb HIIT. How do you simulate slopes in a liquid trainer? Like that Sa Colobra climb should have 7% average grade. It is easy on my Tacx Satori as the hardest setting is equivalent of 7%. How do you know how hard or what slope you are riding in a liquid trainer?
why don't they attach dynamos so the energy will be converted to electricity
because biofuel is not really clean energy :D
what would you use it for? it wouldn't make an especially useful amount and conditioning it to 50 Hz 230V would need expensive electronics?
@@brynclarke1746 charging gadgets
@@EvendimataE Right, I don't get this one. Phone chargers go up to 18 W. Many laptops are happy with 65 or even 45 W. Even complete amateurs average over 50 on the flattest roads, why not add a dynamo?
Most home meters can't handle reverse power. So its a niche.
what exactly determines the realistic feel of those trainers?
for example you said the fluid trainer had a more realistic feel then the magnetic one, however, they look pretty much the same...
So.....How heavy is the Elite Direct Drive (Muin) for transport to events. I notice teams use fluid trainers because they are lighter and less bulky??
I have the supercrono digital which had a computer with it, its great, but training tyre rubs and squeaks a bit :-(
What about a rim trainer? I have one, very quiet, no tire wear.
Any chance of a few more GCN turbo/spinning videos to help crush the turbo boredom?
Sooooon! very soon.
Hi there, I'm in the process of making a decision for what smart Interactive trainer I should get. It has to work with 26, 29 or 700cc tires, not direct drive and I need your help for best value for money. I wish I could get one with the ability to stimulate 20% slope but that's too expensive, so 7-10% would have to do. What are your recommendation and reliability is my decision maker along with the ability to work with zwift or any app that can simulate slopes for GPS routes.
Hi, I want to buy a trainer and got confused with the options in the market.
Can you tell me how good is Kurt Kinetic Rock'n'Roll Trainer ? I have heard that the rock and roll option is good but what about the bound(vertically)? Can it cause any harm to carbon frames?
Hi there, where can we get one of these fluid trainers then? They seem to be impossible to find online! Thanks!
very nice Factor bike. is that the 10K model with the power meter crank arm?
Yes, it is the one with the power meter.
I have a women's Road Master Cruising bike, which I'm told I can't put the special skewer into the back wheel. The wheel itself is bolted in, not a quick release. The local bike shop told me that I would have to buy a new wheel and that the trainer itself would have to remain on the bicycle permanently. All said and done this would run me about $250 US. The bike itself didn't cost that much. Are there any bike trainers on the market that I can just put my bike axle in? I'm not a racer by any stretch of the imagination. I also take medication that affects my balance, so rollers are totally out of the question. I just want to get in shape without spending hundreds more on a stationary bike. Any help you can give me would be great.
GCN should make their own so we can buy them.
Hi, I've a question... Can Turbo Trainers damage the bike? Wich models are better not to damage the bike? Thanks
The torture machine got me there ,lmao
New Factor, Dan? Invested some money from GCN? ;) :P
I need help pleaseee, tacx blue matic or minoura b60-r ???? Which one is the best??
Hi, great review.
BTW I just noticed that trainers are mostly designed to increase difficulty as we pedal faster. Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? I haven't had the chance to use any of these trainers, but I would love to have the one that decreases difficulty as I pedal faster until I max my rpm then shift gear to start another level of difficulty and maxing it again and in doing so gaining me incremental speed gain....
Hi, great review! I totally agree with you. It seems counterintuitive that the trainers are designed to increase difficulty as we pedal faster. It would be awesome to have a trainer that decreases difficulty as we pedal faster, allowing us to maximize our RPM and gain incremental speed. By shifting gears and starting another level of difficulty, we could continue pushing our limits. Speaking of new projects, have you heard about the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike? It's a revolutionary eBike with dual modes for indoor and outdoor use. One of its outstanding features is the ability to charge when you apply the indoor mode, which is quite unique. Check it out!
Do you change the gears on your bike as well as the resistance
Noise level depends on tire type and size doesn’t it
I do have the original elite tire. Unfortunately it does not make a difference.
1:33 I was so sure you'd say that we may consider a different partner haha
it's like he is speaking from experience 😂😂
MrGunWerk it's Kaos Therapy (Proktah Remix) - Optiv
Hello I want to buy one indoor trainer. And I'm between the elite fluid and the elite turbo mag. I want to have the road feeling when I'm training which one you believe have it?
Can i adjust resistance with fluid trainer
Hello guys I need something that would help me train for inclines and flat.. I want the rollers but I also want the stationary one.. but only one I can afford.. also what do you think of the pro form tour de France 5.0. Is that better than both of the trainers? Lol thanks
Can I attach hardtail MTB to it? Or is it just for road bikes?
Can you get enough tork to pop a wheelie
If my considerations are noise, space-saving and value-for-money, which would be preferable between the TacX Booster and the Hydro-Mag Elastogel? I'm a middle-aged beginner cyclist and only for fitness.
Thanks, Mark.
applesafari they both look like they'd be pretty quiet - so it's probably worth having a look around for deals and seeing what your LBS has.
Just bought the second one.... and it does not fit on my Cannondale Super SIx Evo.... damn it!!!!
Make sure your wheel is clean
Kaos Therapy (Proktah Remix) - Optiv
Can you do low rpm power trainings with the fluid trainers? because you can't realy control the resistance...
+HPC it's very hard. I have the crono fluid and i'm looking for something with regulation because training without is very difficult, you don't have a real point of reference about what kind of training are you doing... and simulating slopes is a real problem. With 50x11 the trainer make a good resistance... but you can't follow videos or other kind of pc trainings that permits you to simulate circuits or something like that.
That is one DAMN sexy bike!!!!!!!
what is the use of the resistance lever if you can shift gears?
I guess you have to drive the roller at a greater resistance, whether you choose to do it by muscle or speed is up to you.
Hi I've got a query about the wheel mounting points on the fluid and magnetic trainers; is it possible to mount a hardtail mountain bike running a normal quick release axle on on the trainer?
Thanks!!
SeraphXT - it depends on the trainer that you have. Some of them have adjustable fixing points so you could move them out to fit an MTB. Most trainers tend to need (or work much better with) their specific skewer, so it's worth having a look to see if you can find an MTB skewer for your trainer.
Can you use carbon bike on it
What would be the downside for a passionate cyclist to use a stationary bike, e.g. a spin bike for the indoor training? Does it really matter so much that it's a completely different bike? Wouldn't this maybe even add to a well balanced training?
Cornelia IndoorCyclingVideo It's better to train on the same bike with the same saddle, shoes, position etc as you're less likely to get injured. Also, training hard in the position that you'll race in is important. Spin bikes can be a good alternative in the winter, but if you've got a turbo trainer or rollers, go with that once the season starts.
Lifeline TT-02 + Virtual Power Meter = cheap and useful
in my opinion, it's not true that magnetic trainer are worse than fluids. They are DIFFERENT, not worse. I have a fluid trainer (elite power fluid) and the fluid trainer isn't the best for some kind of excercises such as Force resistance Slopes or something more specific. If you want to pedal at low FREQ simulating slopes, you can't do it. If you have a MAGNETIC trainer you can do it. Look riders warming up before races, NO ONE uses FLUID trainer but only magnetic.... In my opinion you spend less but you spend better
What wheelet is that????
Can I use my full carbon road bike on those indoor trainers without damaging the frame? I used an old trainer (probably 25 years old) and it scratched my frame a little, so I stopped using it.
Yasper Fries Some manufacturers say that it invalidates their warranty but we've never actually heard of a carbon frame braking through using it on a home trainer.
Is better Elite magnetic trainer or tacx magnetic trainer that you used in this video?
They're much the same, but I'd have a look at the reviews of both and see what people who've used both of them a bit more than us say :-)
what the red wheel call
Instead of indoor tire i use 1 or 2 layer of electrical tape on middle of tire.
Dear GCN. Does such turbo trainer wear your bike particularly, relative to road riding, or is that not a concern? I wanna use my premium bike with my power meter, then again, I don't wear this race bike/frame. Should I use my winter bike?
Your bike should be fine, but the rear tyre takes a pounding. Oh, and you'll need to wipe the sweat off pretty quickly after (gross but true).
Global Cycling Network Smashing, so strapping an S-WORKS or similar level bike/frame to such turbo trainer is no problem. Great! Thank you very much for this video. The conditions here in Scandinavia desperately call out for such alternative. Oh, and yes, I'll remember a towel, thank you :)
Global Cycling Network The bike should be fine, but the warranty is void if you use it on a trainer. Doesn't it?
how about carbon frame on trainer
is it good to use that in long run?
Chaiyamitr Khuntamitr Your warranty might be voided if you use you carbon frame on the turbo. Check the warranty you got with your bike or contact your LBS. Always best to be on the safe side!
Just got a fluid trainer can you tell me if I will have to keep putting oil on my chain if so how often cheers great videos
Hi Mark, how often you oil your chain is a separate issue to what type of turbo you have, but if you are only riding indoors then you shouldn't ever have to oil your chain really. Just make sure you clean it thoroughly before you start and then apply a light lube. If the chain ever starts getting noisy though, that's when you apply more lube.
Global Cycling Network thanks for the reply cheers
What a nice bike that is! Whats the brand of it? Keep it up GCN
That's a Factor Bikes Vis Vires.
Hi Everyone! I have read all the time turbo trainers can stress frames /carbon and alloy also/ but I do not hear bad experiances when a trainer broke a frame, do you have such experience? anyone? I think basic 100 rpm normal pace training does not affect frame on a trainer, or am I wrong?
exactly the reason why I went for rollers instead of a trainer. trainers do put stress on points of the bike that isn't design to be stressed. the headtube is fixed, the rear triangle is fixed. everything is pretty much fixed when on the open road it is not. trainers like the Kurt kinetic rock and roll does solve that issue.
I once done 3hrs on a turbo.. - i'm sure my brain fell out somewhere...
3 hours on the turbo lee dorney ?! Your brain must have fallen out before you got on the thing...
@@gcn wait why? because it's loud?
I really need help in which one to buy? Rollers or turbo trainer?
Adam Shutt we love rollers but it's easier to get a hard training session in on a turbo, so we'd buy a turbo trainer first.
Hi rollers are fun and there are rollers that offer resistance, it would also be nice to review the specific types of rollers. (I have the elite V-Arion) the tacx galaxia and elite e-motion seem interesting but i'm curious if these really make a difference against the stationery rollers
Hey there! I just stumbled upon a new project that might interest you. Have you heard of the freebeat Morph 2-in-1 eBike? It's a blend of fitness and technology, and what caught my attention is its indoor recharge feature. Imagine being able to charge your bike while applying the indoor mode! Seems like a great way to stay active even when the weather is not allowing outdoor rides. I haven't tried the tacx galaxia or elite e-motion rollers myself, but I'm curious to see if they really make a significant difference compared to stationary rollers. What's your experience with different types of rollers?
Do you have a video that haves different kind of rollers?
No, not yet antony aguirre.
what about the air trainers?
Really noisy ***** - we'd probably go for a magnetic one over a fan trainer.
well how many bikes does Daniel own ?? I
lauren hiew 5 at the moment.
2020 eveyone? Lol i just need 1 of these because of COVID-19 btw Staysafe,Stay at home.
Same.
@@onecyclistinbombay6619 Saaaame!
Could you tell us some approximate numbers for the rollers (watts)? I hate stationary trainers but I'm afraid that a roller's resistance is way too low as you mentioned.
I had a basic (no resistance set) and I got up to about 260W at 53x11 doing close to 50kph and 100+ cadance. At higher cadences, unless you are very smooth it tends to get bouncy and unstable. With the mag rollers I can do 300W in 53x14 at about 38-40kph and much lower cadence (80-90), so it's rock solid. Thar's only on the first mag setting, The unit has a power vs speed graph sticker that says it should allow for up to 500+W.
I bought an Elite roller once, can't remember it's name, but it was a magnetic one. I can recall that it should handel up to 900W. But you should always check what the etiquette says before you but one.
Even though it could handle 900W, the tire might slip if your cadence is low, and the power output per revolution is high.
As Alex Reimers has pointed out, rollers with smaller drums create more resistance and can give you a proper workout, even if you've got as much power as the pro's.
Standard sized drums offered us around 290w at 100rpm in our biggest gear (53x12).
James Tate Hey, thanks for your input! :)
Okay, 260W@53x11 is way too low - I was thinking about purchasing this next to my stationary trainer.^^
Global Cycling Network Thanks for your input too. :)
How to choose a turbo trainer.
Type turbo trainer into e bay.
Sort by nearest first.
Congratulations on you choice.
Price.........
Wish this video was out before I bought my trainer. It's so loud, wish I had the money to invest in a fluid trainer...
whys a turbo trainer more expensive then a actual exercise bike
whats the name of the first turbo trainer?
agarc108 it's an ***** Turbomuin.
Could you recommend me a fluid trainer.
Hi Paul, we've had good experiences with Elite ones.
Global Cycling Network hello, Im starting to cycling and I want to ask if its ok to get the elite novo magnet to train because where I live in the winter season its to hard to go outside, also my budget its a little bit short. Thanks I like your videos
How to choose a turbo trainer : you fucking dont, just go out and ride :)
What bike is that????
Diego R. Joubert that's a Factor Bikes Vis Vires. Looks great!
Why did I just watched this while an exercise bike is as low as $200 on Amazon with a spinning flywheel...
Lloydie looking like a kid here