Ford and Chevy Engine Comparison | Engine Masters
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I love Chevy and ford. I have both. I never understood why people couldn’t just love both.
I’ve owned both and I agree…usually people are brand loyalists by whatever their family has always owned. And another point in my opinion Chevy is very popular in racing because their parts are so interchangeable and simple therefore cost are greatly reduced. On old school V8’s for instance the water pump on a Ford has multiple bolts of varying length the Chevy 4 bolts and bam you’re done.
Same I have both
Hey I'm with you. I love all American made cars and trucks. I've always love small block engines. They are much easier to get the power you want. They are awesome.
Hard to love them fords when it cost twice as much just to get the same power of a Chevy
@@tannercox4537 yeah but having a coyote swap is cooler and much more rare then having another LS swap. Ford cost more cause they have the best selling truck in the world. I wouldn’t lower my price if I were them. You get what you pay for, I can say that and still say I absolutely love Chevy
Funny, the longer people are into cars, the less many of them stay loyal to one brand and really enjoy all of them.
What you said. I could make anything run, whatever name was on the valve cover.
I agree!
That is a very true statement.
These are both iconic excellent engines. I had a 351 Windsor that went 250,000 miles and ran like a top.
Let's see the dyno pulls!
Cmon... it's a 351vs 350 so obviously the 351 is 1% better
@@CbrF4i600cc , that would be 0.2857% better.
LMAO 🤣😂🤣
The Ford has smaller ports, , better low-end, real world torque and drivability when loaded. The Chevy has bigger ports, better high RPM power and a bit more thir$ty.
It's all about cam and head combo but ur not gona see much more than 400 hp na with either so then it comes down to power to weight...what cars are we putting them in..
Everyone asking about the results. Would you be surprised they were close enough that it doesn't matter?
In case someone really wants to know Ford won
All the parts on those motors cost twice as much for the ford tho.@@CoyoteFTW
@@timothycarey3883 really the only difference is, a stock Chevy 350 block and rotating assembly can reliably handle somewhere between 500-600hp, while the Windsor has been known to handle 750+ with a stock block and crank. Not saying there aren’t outliers that can survive that, but 750hp on a stock block 350 is definitely pushing your luck, 4 bolt mains or no. Obviously, most people don’t have pockets that deep, and aren’t going to be seeing those numbers anytime soon, so it doesn’t make much difference in a street car. But for someone building a serious race car, it gives you a little extra leeway, before dumping out the $ for a dart or eagle forged block.
@@CoyoteFTW 3 horsepower
Windsor is my favorite FoMoCo mill. I've owned 2 G-Codes and loved them both.
Born and raised in Saginaw Michigan a GM town gotta go with Chevy all the way!
I had a 3 speed Saginaw transmission in my old Chevy C-10 truck. I also delivered plastic pellets to Rochester, NY as a daily run to make electric engine cooling fans, etc. I'm a GM fanboy. Drive a 2023 Cadillac at the moment.
I would like to see a third contender, mopar 360. Assuming chevy valves are 1.94/1.60, the mopar could run 1.88/1.60. Totally respect what ford and chevy bring to the table. Just would like to see mopar in the mix. Also, I know AMC fans would like to see a 360 of theirs too. Let's just do everything we can to keep motorsports alive, namely, ICE. Gasoline forever!😊
Being 35 years old not even most people my age don't know about AMC so sad javelin gremlin amx all beautiful my fav would be a 70 amx 440 4spd go pack car with the shadow mask any stock color
Mopar suks
Or the 340, that is a really overlooked engine.
If your going to put a 360 in there we are switching the 350 with the 5.3L LS and all is good 👍
Most Of Parts Are Rusted... F a Chrysler
I'm not an expert but I've heard that the Cleveland engine has 4 bolt main bearing mounts verses 2 bolt main bearing mounts in the Windsor engine thus making in stronger!
The Cleveland has a weaker block than the Windsor. However, I think the main reason for running a Windsor in this test is, to keep both engines with inline valve heads so that one doesn't have a huge advantage over the other.
If they’re just run of the mill blocks. They both have 2 bolt main caps the difference is the heads, where the Cleveland is superior with larger and canted valves. However in this form I bet they’re similar with no great difference. The ford needs higher rpm to work properly. So testing parameters are everything.
Without the results, I couldn't care less to watch this.
Ford wins. But barely.
Wouldn’t really say wins. I’d say they tied. Just a few small numbers different
Big Windsor fan here. Still have the original 351W in my '69 Mach 1. Don't know much about the Chevy 350, though it has my respect too.
Same here, I put a 351W in my 1940 Ford Coupe and a Keith Craft 421W (stroked) in my 1976 F100 w/4 link suspension.. both w/TCI trannies.
@@BobbyOfEarth Wow, those are some cool rides, with plenty of torque !!
What are you running for a carb on your Mach ?
@@daver8298 Stock Autolite 2100 - the mighty 2 barrel ! I have a similar 2100 on my '66 T-Bird 390FE - different jets tho.
How in the f*ck do you make this with zero results?!?!?!
Gotta pay to see it.
Cleveland or Windsor big difference!!!
That’s definitely a Windsor, what I wonder is if they are running stock rocker ratios or if they upgraded the Chevy to the stock Windsor ratio to make it closer to a matched combo.
Most chevy guys consider Cleveland a big block.
It has real heads on it!
@@wifeswapperbg7 So dumb since the 351C has a shorter deck height than the 351W, it is most definitely a small block engine. The Chevy 350 guys fear a good running Cleveland.
@@kblackav8or They sure 👍 do.
@@wifeswapperbg7 351C was pick by Hot Rod magazine as the best small block engine of the Muscle Car era.
I had a modified 351W retrofit into an 88 Mustang LX. Engine was a monster. It's like the car wasn't even there.
Which heads? Which intake?
That's exactly what I've got lol 88 fox with 351w .20 over with a Victor Jr and 850 cfm carb. Built 5 speed
@@joeykimball5705 That's cool.
351 modified was a huge boat anchor ⚓, and I am a ford person
@@harryroberts8627 It was a 351 Windsor, not a 351 Modified. When I say it was modified, I mean that it was not stock. It was upgraded with high performance parts.
I was always more a fan of the Cleveland over the Windsor. In Australia, Clevelands were still being produced up til the 90s
Cleveland versus Windsor? I have a Torino 1974 with a built 351 Windsor. aftermarket heads oversize valves. the only difference between Cleveland and Windsor stock is that the Cleveland flows better through the heads. Aftermarket parts eliminated that Advantage. Windsor's have a much better oiling system. I would take a Windsor all day long. For the record I haven't been beatn on the street anytime lately. 430 gears and a built Gear star transmission 315 35-17 Nittos in the back. 3000 stall converter. smoked a 392 scatpack last week. if you build those two valve 351 Windsor's right they can compete with anything. It's all about money as we all know.
Both had AFR heads. The great equalizer
My 1st car was the smallblock 79 Z28....Cam went 1st ! The Windsor always kills on Pickup truck builds 🏁
I want to see this result.
It was basically identical
with the numbers who won
@@guysherwood304 ford because it had slightly higher compression and slightly more displacement.
My old 64 F100 with the 223 cui is running like a top!
Should’ve been the 351 Cleveland
Def different results.
They should have a part 2, how much nitrous can they handle 😈
Ford rules !!!
So what are the results And how much did each engine cost to build
The Ford costs 3 times as much to build and you gained 3 hp. great job!
@@wesman7837 wrong they were about the same price and the ford did better by a little bit
@wesman7837 thanks for your 🌈 opinion
they costed around the same but the ford had better results
Wherd I lived it was Chevy Chevy Chevy, and every once in a while a man showed up in hie 64 falcon with a 428 scj and would blow the Chevy boys off the track. At times a fight would break out but the man in the falcon drove off with a couple of thousand in his pocket.
For every good Ford there was a better chevy counterpart
@@jarvislarson6864 LMAO dont make me laugh so hard. Chevy can touch Ford when it comes to performance. Remember that one time when GM won LeMans? neither do I!!!
@@jarvislarson6864 Power to weight ratio usually wins : ))
Never got there but had a 64 Falcon _and_ a 390FE I wanted to install. I was a new father though so never had the $. Ended up selling everything and never got back around to it. I did see a very nice 64 Falcon the guy had stuffed a hot 460 in, what a ground pounder that was!
@@loganpe427 All engine and no weight....
Nice.
Awesome! can't wait to see the results!
that was an amazing comparison... thanks for posting. the results were especially interesting (after all, results are the most important part of any good comparison)
If you used the Cleveland instead of that Windsor Chevy wouldn't stand a chance
You are absolutely correct.
Yeah I was wondering why he would compare it to a windsor?
@@That70sChannel Windsor is the small block Ford and both trace their origins from the 283/289.
Cleveland was a good motor
@@That70sChannel
Windsors are more common and popular. The Ford guy I hang out with swears by Windsors over Clevelands.
Plus in this case they're both using aftermarket heads so the great Cleveland heads aren't helping.
I'm a Chevy guy through and through but I bought a 97 Mercury Mountaineer with a 302 back in 2006 for a daily driver and have been driving it ever since ( 18yrs) Conclusion- they are all good.
How did i know it was gonna end with nothing!!! What a absolute joke!!! Great video guys!!!👍👍👍👍👍
You didn’t show how the ford outdid the chevy
since when? lmao.. Just start youtube searching lol
Because it didn't
When I think ford it's 302 when chevy it's 350. Bottom line build what you have and can afford. Doesn't matter what it is.
What was the cost difference on those 2 builds?
Probably a couple of hundred bucks
@@smathet7766 lol, gonna be more than a few hundred
Frieburger is a legend. I would pay good money to be able to hang out with him, Steve Dulcich and Mike Finnegan for a weekend.
As grandpa used to tell me when he was here, "they all break down, and have their quirks"
I have always been a Chevy guy till the the mid 2000's. But on the flip side the 351 Windsor engine is a great motor. I have seen them make some serious power but in stock form they make a ton of torque.
99.99% of all fords ever built are still on the road today... the other .01% actually made it to the owners driveway from the dealership.
And the Chevy can't make it of the repair shop
💯
That's a good joke. I can give some respect for that one. I don't beat my chest over my brands. I prefer Ford.
@@nathanmoore3866 you're a fool the Chevys you see out front AR the mechanics cars the ones working on the Ford
Speaking as a Ford Blue-blood, that’s actually a funny joke. It should be aimed elsewhere, though, for accuracy’s sake.
$$$ how much was spent on each one?
I remember as a teenager that all things SBC were half the price of a Ford Small Block. The results were close, but the pricetag was soooo much different. You could build a GM from drivetrain to brakes and suspension for less than just an engine bulid for a Ford. That is why the argument exists. Gen X knows the better value. Its like a choice between 2 identical houses but in different cities. One costs $250k, the other coats $1,000,000. But the neighborhood is close. But the cheaper option isn't in an affluent neighborhood, bit still a great neighborhood. You get what you pay for, but sometimes you pay too much...
What compression ratio?
Yep...good question
Like a lot of others have shared, there's no next part? Great thought at least
A real comparison would that plus the same valve size, compression ratio, spark plugs, header size, and camshaft/rocker arms (if he didn’t say same cam).
Surprise they perform basically the same. Pick what you're comfortable with and go have fun.
The real tough thing to do is get them equal, but it looks like they did their best.
I used to be all Chevy... but now, as long as it's American, I'm a fan.
How about an old (1956) 354 C.I. Hemi ? in the mix ?
better comparison 283 chevy vs 289 Ford! I my opinion the best engines made! Ford needs II and Carroll Shelby leadership.
ford had 4.8 more torque and 5 horsepower they reasoned that it was because it had a tad bit more compression and displacement as tested, also ruling there is no difference they are the same ford did cost a little more to build but not as much as youd think, they didnt say exactly how much more
Both. Both is good.
The Windsor is a great engine. All depends on compression ratio. If they're equal, Windsor get the win. Let's see.
A *"HUGE"* design parameter is LSA's~ yet no mention....🤔
Love to see the results of that please post it ....they sound about equal.😮😮
Chevy made 14 more hp
it doesn't the 351 makes more than the chevy
Chevy lost
Would love to see those 2 with 0 aftermarket parts versus Mopar 340
Who has the link to the full video?
No data here, a disappointment, !
It would be cool if you guys would link the video. :)
I much prefer the distributor in the front, but I'm a Chevy guy since the LS became so prevalent. I don't hate Ford though, I've owned a few, including a built 351 Cleveland. Both worthwhile platforms up until late model engines, where the LS wins out for cost/performance.
Chevy wins every time no surprises here ...💯💯💯💯
The ford made more power
Don’t get me wrong, ford makes a great motor, but I’d have to go with a Chevy because there’s aftermarket support everywhere and aftermarket parts are cheaper.
This guy got his red wings today
Boots? or the other? LMFAO!
As a person, I couldn’t understand any of this jargon
Wonder what the cost difference is
Both great engines
Lets see how much nitrous it takes to split that ford block in half, im guessin a 200 shot will do.
Roller blocks split easy. The non roller block is better but with a roller cam and those expensive tie bar lifters. You can get much higher rpm with that combination
Round pistons vs round pistons 🥱
Chevy will win in performance hands down
They tied sorry to hurt your feelings
I never had a use for a V-8 after I learned how to build a free-breathing straight 6. Maybe I couldn't pass a hot V-8, but I could pass nearly twice as many gas stations.
Why didn't he tell about cylinder heads in use?
He said short blocks.
Then carb. Then ignition, intake manifold, and cam.
Valves and ports are important.
Buddy of mine had a bad__ 351 Windsor built for speed. 1969 Mach 1. Kicked my mostly stock 1971 350 Camaro L48.
Chevy for the win!
FIX OR REPAIR DAILY
We own BOTH GM & FORD vehicles in our family..I Love them both..I don't care for MOPAR products..
Results please
It should have been the Cleveland not the Windsor.....
Love my 69 Camaro 30 yes ago i Altered and run Ford 351 clev. No comparison 💯
Ford 351 all day
FORD will stay together longer also.
Wanna see a 351 Cleveland now...
Look here. I work on both, I swap both. I have a fox and sn95 both with LSs in them. I have a gt350 with FOB. I love all. Each has their strengths and failures but I won't do dodge 😂
I'm a Ford man but I've owned a small block Chevy or 2 good engines
So, I was discussing mustangs with my youngest son, 16 yrs old, and I mentioned that the 5.0L mustang engine was just an old 302cu small block that Ford had updated. He looked at me in all honesty says, "What's a 302!?" It took me 15minutes to catch him up on the differences.
How bout build a ford and chevy on the same budget, and see which makes more. We all know the ford stuff is going to cost an extra 1/3
the show down that I've been waiting for is the ls, vs hemi, vs coyote then gen 1, 2 and 3 coyote show down, 5.7, 6.1, 6.2 and 6.4 hemi showdown. go with more modern power plant showdowns
Ford has never left me on the side of the road. I love the Chevelle, but my chevys have all left me stranded
The '71 Boss351 dyno'd 382 hp/391 ft lbs torque beating GM's LT-1, L76/L84 & DZ302 🏁
Doesn't count, boss has Cleveland heads, this is standard Windsor head 351.
That Boss 351 was badass. I built a 351 Cobrajet with a drag pack, what a beast! Burned way too much rubber....
The Chevy DZ 302 was actually closer to 400HP.. It was very underrated at 290HP.
How about a Cleveland vs Windsor. Is there a difference is it the same is it enough to matter?
What are the Bore and Strokes of both engines
Well you know it's gonna be cheaper to put that Chevy together? And those Chevy's are hard to beat.
not true sane cost😂
Why didn’t you use the 351 Cleveland?
Because they wanted to give that Chevy a chance. Out of the box, the 351C would decimate that SBC. Add performace parts, both would make way more than stock. The Ford would always make more power.
The other tjing is, finding a 351C, compared to a Windsor. Way more Windsors out there now, compared to Clevelands.
Production of the Cleveland blocks ended in the 70s. Most of those cars, and components, are long since shredded, crushed, or melted down.
Because they are garbage!
You said a lot without telling what we were waiting for.
I have a Chevy over a Ford anyday
Should use the 351 Cleveland
Let's see how much power modern GM and Ford V8's can make in stock form with boost before they break!!!
I love both but the older push rod stuff don't care for the over head stuff Ford went to
As long as it's not Mopar
Basically all stock…. There will be slight differences between the two…. But over all they will both perform the same. The real differences show up…. When the ‘racer’ abuses the engines
I've been watching this comparison since the 90s...usually have a dodge 360 to add in the comparison. Owned all of the three...ford was great power and mileage, but Dodge did a bit better. I had good power from a 350 but could never get any mileage out of it. Dodge 360 had the most power.
Now you'll have to test a 427 ford vs a 427 chevy
But what about lifters, rockers, and springs... and porting. This could effect the max RPM and airflow. Same with valve sizes. Larger valves will allow more airflow.
Remember First On Race Day!
Him identifying the chevy as "classic " kinda shows his bias as the windsor isn't exactly new coming from the 260 in 1963 ,only a few years after the chev 262
Should’ve gone with the Cleveland
cleveland
east of toledo...
winsor is canada..