Everything We Learned AFTER Baby Reindeer
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- This story just won't end. Welcome to MsMojo, and today we're uncovering everything we learned AFTER the shocking Netflix series, Baby Reindeer - including fallout from the show, and the reveal of the REAL WOMAN behind Richard Gadd's harrowing stalker, Martha Scott.
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Who else is watching closely to see what unfolds after 'Baby Reindeer'? Share your thoughts and what you've learned since.
Where are her " death threats"??? Show me the actual threats and I'll tell u then if I believe you.
Baby Reindeer 2 - The Return of Martha on a chat show denying everything. Piers Morgan could be played by Seth Rogen.
@@Jozy6264
@@graffic13 they're on her twitter feed for all to see
Some people might misconstrue the ending scene, where a sympathetic barman offers Donny a free drink, to read that Donny becomes a stalker. But in my opinion, it's there to show that Donny didn't lead Martha on, and was only showing her a bit of kindness, which is where the trouble began.
Yes! people are taken advantage of when their being nice. It's how I was groomed and assaulted. Im wary of everyone, give less shit, and mind my own business now
I agree in part. I think there’s just a multitude of nuance to it. I get that some people could take it as some kind of twist ending, mostly because we’re accustomed to seeing that stuff. But there was no twist. It was about the nuances and was no step away from the way the whole story was told throughout.
@@aesirhog4811 I also think that the final scene showed how easy it is for victims of abuse to fall into the same old patterns and it's difficult but not impossible to break away from. He was clearly slipping. It's a very human display to offer kindness when one sees another human in pain. That cycle is something one can only hope continues.
I don't even believe that she was getting death threats, I don't believe she was outed. She outed herself..
@@fromtheinside4952 definitely, me too.
All I have to say is why give Fiona Harvey a platform to speak her “truth”? This woman admitted to stalking Richard Gadd! For the people who falsely accused some of the people of doing horrible things to Richard, you guys owe Richard and the falsely accused an apology. Richard doesn't need any more trauma in his life after everything he's been through.
Agreed, I hope that Richard is OK, and Piers Morgan interviewing Fiona Harvey, the woman who stalked and traumatised him, would just do more harm in the long term.
@@trinaqAnother thing that bothered me was that she had the nerve to blame Jessica Gunning, the actress who played Martha in the series. Ma’am, the woman was doing her job and had no intention of offending or harming anyone from her performance. I want to be clear that just because you suffer from mental illness doesn't make it okay to stalk someone.
She is allowed her side of the story. She didnt go to prison, so that is defamation.
U know him do you?
No, he should make the public the name of the alleged rapist, and stop protecting him. He made Martha incredibly easy to trace. I have come across the real identity on social media (not Sean Foley), so the truth will come out at some stage.
The actress that played this woman did an amazing job. I felt creeped out as if she was stalking ne
People literally missed the message he is trying to show in the show. They were BOTH wrong and needed mental health treatments. He even said it himself, the show is going to be frustrating because it’s a reality he lived. The back and forth with this woman and the producer show us how he wasn’t good with himself.
Also For all the people who went to find this woman…..just why?
Why not? Because they are so similar, Gadd obviously wanted them to, whatever he says.
@@Globaldave1970Based on what? He changer name, change details of ehat happened and told people not to.
@@Ashbrash1998 LOL. Everything else! Since when do people do what they're told.
If Netflix changed the story too much then it wouldn't have been Gadd's story anymore. And he sure as hell deserves to have his story told authentically. He changed her name and that was more than enough. She chose to keep her tweets about him public so there's that.
She 100% did all of this.
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I found it interesting that she says that she doesn't even know where he lives, yet she admits to mailing one letter. How does she mail a letter if she doesn't know his address????
Good catch!👍🏼
If it was me, I wouldn't say it was me! She's fucking crazy!😮
Exactly.
I'd say:
It's me, I want my share on the project.
Thats why we know she is crazy and needs help. In her mind it was all about gadd, she did not think „oh the whole world could harass me“
It was her one and only way to get back at gadd for everything
@@sunnyla2363 good point- I think this could be true.
It's giving me the worst second hand embarrassment to see this woman tell on herself so flagrantly.
Jessica made Martha almost endearing and Gadd always owned his disfunction
As far as the stalker goes, I think she's lying to be honest. And though I don't condone harassment, this lady put herelf out there and gave herself a voice. One thing that should be applauded is Gad allowing himself to be vulnerable. So many people want to guess who's behind certain chracters and overlook the brave story he tells.
Exactly! You know a tiny part of her is loving this and she wants the attention… wants to feel more important than she is..
Exactly… she had ample time to nuke her accounts and go quiet but instead she engaged with the “internet sleuths” reaching out to her and then went on Piers Morgan lol.
@@xniks101x Exactly!
I agree ♡
@@xniks101xI read that one of the people interviewing her for an article had to change his numbers because she was contacted them constantly
Her message were out in the public domain. She can't take anyone to court because the public were able to get hold of the messages, which they did. Its how they tracked her down. She outed herself.
She's deluded.
She didnt go to prison, and many of the other main events weren't true either, so she does have a legal (UK Law) case for defamation.
Why use the exact wording of the messages? She was easily identified. Netflix is selling this as a true story, how are viewers supposed to separate truth from fiction?
@@Globaldave1970 there's a disclaimer at the end, she has no case IMO
She drilled holes in her own boat going on Piers Morgan
@@Globaldave1970Except the show explicitly stated that the prison part never happened and events were altered from what really happened.
Piers gave her a glass of water. That's how it starts. He may regret the day. He knew better and yet he had to do the interview.
😂
She's been blowing up his producers every single day, along with the Daily Mail reporter. 50 VOICEMAILS.
@@bees.857 I heard about the vomemails she did with the Daily mail guy. I guess she started as soon as he left her place and had a couple messages just from the short drive back.
😂😂😂
I laughed so hard. Thank you
Lets not forget, Fiona hatrassed, stalked and bullied several people over decades....and these are the ones we know about. Sure, she probably has a personality disorder but that doesnt excuse her predatory behaviour. Shes a 58 year old woman and she demonstrates some restraint when it suits her. The interview with Piers was her choice, her chance to redeem herself but instead she oozed contempt and resentment, relentlessly lied and her appearance only served to prove shes an arsehole. Richard was not obligated to create a character that noone would recognise, its HIS story about HIS experiences....no one will get rid of her now...shes going to stalk all of us by appearing all over the place. She has NO shame.
It was interesting during the interview when Fiona said that she never sent Gadd a voicemail and that he secretly might have recorded her voice. In the show, you find out Martha recorded all of their conversations... Speaking from experience? Just sayin.
It was also interesting that she opens with "I just moved flat". Why is her opener always something to do with her flats?
@@ladiorange Yep, that and talking about all her lawyer friends (flexing like in the show). I'm not condoning tracking these people down any more than has already been done. But, honestly, they need to just find out who worked at that bar and who the comedy show promoters where at the time to give an impartial version of events. They might have insight on the degree of sh*t getting weird.
She did herself no service going on that interview. Ma’am baby reindeer is not about “Martha”it was about Gadd’s relationship with “Martha”. How tf can you claim that you barely know the guy and also claim you ARE Martha when the show primarily depicts the relationship! I can hear people saying “oh because Martha used the same phrases as Fiona” but here’s the thing: Fiona NEVER expressed entertaining the idea that Gadd was stalked by someone else and used her likeliness for the character in the show. Fiona knew it was about her because she did stalk him. Guilty!
Don't stalk people if you want to stay unknown.
I loved the way Fiona Harvey called Jessica Gunning "the fat actress" in previous interviews when she's not exactly Twiggy either.
Jesisica’s stunning irl, very pretty&SO talented❤ Fiona… ehm….
@MSeliskaZ Fiona's great talent is she can't spell the simplest of words but she's a top lawyer apparently. 👌
Her perception of reality is off.
And then on Piers Morgan she said she's never seen her or the show.
In my experience, huge women always call other ones fat. It’s so super weird. They have no idea how big they are.
Her Facebook shows how insane she is.
When victims of anything are tragically ruined and killed, medias are praised when sonething is accurate and true to the victims and what happened to them. But when victims decide to show what they went through and are still alive, victims become the villians and try to ruin them.
100%. And it’s extra ironic bc often the living victims were actually victims while we can’t no for sure of the dead ones.
The real villain is Darrian
aka Gary Reich.
Is it possible that richard gadd outed his own issues so that this exact thing would happen? If you can't get the police to really protect you what are your options? In the film he says one of them had to die. Perhaps he figured this beats killing her, exposing a person that he thought might get some help or at least get put on the public radar. Sued beats getting murdered, and losing money on a film beats getting charged with murder. I liked the film. The point of it to me is sort of why things don't get reported, all the shame,grooming and how people become victims and perpetrators. It was scary sad and interesting ,surprisingly candid.
In real life, he didnt report her or his rapist.
@Globaldave1970 so there was no court case? This to me is something I think that pierce Morgan should have verified himself before the interview.. there seems to be a lot of misinformation about all of this. I liked the film. I have to admit that the controversy sorounding is intriguing, I'm drawn in. I sort of wish the film was left to stand on its own. It's fascinating.
The real Martha claims that the way Netflix portrayed her in such a bad and untrue..that the great actress that played her looked nothing like her, etc..I think the real Martha looked very much like the actress who played her...
People are just afraid the might end up on Netflix. Don’t do wild shit and they won’t make a docudrama about you
Happy monday afternoon, Ashley. Take care and God bless you. Greetings from Colombia to you as well.
I watched her interview. She was lying. “I am honest, I am a lawyer.” She cut Piers off and talked over him and then says she was set up.
Didn’t I just watch this on Mojo UK? Gotta love Ash ❤️
I still don’t understand how anyone found her all the people who claimed to have found her after watching are literal liars because he hid her identity she outed herself
The tweet about her wanting him to “hang her curtains” was still public. That’s how I saw people found her initially.
@@xniks101x but how did they find it? Did they just search it
@@dasiareed2708yes, it’s searchable.
Yeah people with a lot of free time can find those things 😂 FACT
@@milagrosfarina1941 that’s a bit said yet impressive
If you don't think the guy is just as crazy and creepy then maybe there's a serious problem! Ick...
I'm sure this is a repeat vid from one of the other Mojo channels. I've seen this before!
i just loved watching this show. Enjoyed it a lot
drama is jucy and everything on the internet about this show is amusing me
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This woman is a stalker its a fact. I dont think any defaming was done if its the truth.
I think she has or at the very least has traits of borderline personality disorder. Not trying to be speculative, I was in a similar situation with someone who behaved this way and had that diagnosis. The sad thing is, it does usually stem from a terrible trauma. But she still knows right from wrong, lies from truth.
Just started watching on netflix. Really like 👍 👌 🤔 😕it so far.
I watched the Piers Morgan interview and felt filthy and nauseous afterwards. That woman is seriously mentally ill. I hope she gets help before someone gets hurt.
Yes, Piers Morgan makes me feel like that too.
She has hurt many people already
Can you do a video of 39 cartoon charicters which almost has differing names
She's obviously insane.
“I got death threats” seems to be the go to claim of anyone who receives any sort of online backlash for anything, but it’s hard to imagine anyone threatening to kill her over this show. I can believe people have said mean things to her and that they think she should be locked up, but why would anyone want to kill her?
I love how Fiona completely proved Gad’s point and made a mockery of herself. Looks like she hasn’t changed and is still seeking attention.
Poor woman needs help.
Finally I understand what's going on.
This show really is becoming popular I haven’t seen it yet but I’m not sure if I should
I think it depends if you have triggers. It should and does have a trigger warning BUT one of the episodes (the entire episode) is one long graphic male on male rape scene with extensive drug use and graphic sexeual content...it also has a lot of drug use, domestic assault, physical violence and sexual violence. It is Richard's truth and it happened to him so I guess you have to weigh out the benefits of how seeing these things might effect you against the want to be entertained and watch his story.
Don't, it's such a dark series
Just wanna say, "thank you sister nations"
So people went to find is women but not Michaela Coel attacker??
You just had to know that crazy would come out of the woodwork.😮
I love this shit. It's soo amusing omfg.
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All in all, it’s HIS story to tell..
It isn't Netflix's fault here. Anyone could write a character loosely based on someone. Even YOU could already been in some show or movie, and you just don't know it. Fiona could have let this blow over quickly and quietly, but no. She is now suing and it just makes her look even more guilty.
Don't stalk people. Everyone has a right to tell their own story. And on the flip side people have a right to to do with whatever they please with public material. In AMERICA WE HAVE FREEDOM OF PRESS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
This was in the UK dear
I for sure think they could have done more to protect everyone involved. People are always going to Google.
If the BBC made this instead of Netflix it would have received a fraction of the views
Y'all had to listen when he said leave well enough alone. The internet bullying and harassment make things worse and add unnecessary fuel to the flames.
This woman shouldn't have been allowed to become a celebrity.
Netflix will pay her for her side now.
I want to know who Keith is
Even if he and the team disguised this, humans will do what humans do. They would have still tried to find out. People are bored and miserable and need to get a life. All they have done is contribute further to Richard's trauma.
People feel too entitled. There was no reason for people to keep searching after he said stop. They felt entitled to know something and now we don’t know if seeing her do interviews is bringing up new trauma for him
I swear, some ppl need to get off the internet & touch grass. As a survivor of seggsual assault myself; I also watched my mom get stalked by an ex as a child who would break into our home & follow us to school. Mrs. Harvey is using something serious to get her 15 mins & coins, in my opinion. Ma’am if this is false, why are you bothering us?? Your name wasn’t used. Folks are nosy & gonna snoop, I bet you couldn’t wait. You’re making a mockery of the real lived experiences of ppl who went through these tragedies. Also it’s just like right you choosing Piers Morgan of all ppl for your tell all, the author & finisher of rehearsed drama. You ma’am, say you did none of these things…& all of this is lies. Wait, did the writer use your name in the series?? Oh, OH!! You helped folks out & outed yourself. You, this confusion, internet sycophants, morality entities who wouldn’t know what morality is if morality was their middle name can go play on Reddit & have fun. Let those that have nothing to gain from this heal & help others.
UK Law is different. She has a good legal case for defamation in the UK.
@@Globaldave1970 that’s fine, I also read most of your comments on others ppl’s posts it was quite interesting how your thoughts changed. When it comes to stuff like this, I DO NOT support liars. This woman could’ve stayed silent. She could’ve spoken up when he was doing his previous shows on the topic, but whatever I was voicing my opinion (which ppl seem to miss every. single. time) and everyone has a right to theirs. Whether she has a fake case or not, I don’t believe her, liars win cases all the time, liars lie so well they believe their on lies, case in point (Mrs. Harvey)
@@macgirlcokey It is difficult to separate the drama from the reality. She does have a KC lawyer, and she does have a good case for defamation under UK law (see follow up to Piers Morgan's interview)
And this is how we know you crazy because if you was not stalking him, then the story wouldn’t be about you so you wouldn’t need to do interviews
I couldn't finish watching that series.
I love how almost no one checks the facts. You know - that stuff with evidence, that tells you what's real and what's not? Why let facts get in the way of absolute insanity, eh? Absolute numpties.
Ms. Mojo shoulda left her identity alone
Ms . Mojo here’s a video on who she is though
All this attention is exactly what he wanted.
Okay but Donny was literally Hannah Baker. It was hard feeling sorry for him the series wasn’t that great.
Do anyone believe she was "outed" or did she Out herself 🤔
I think she would've 'outed' herself even if Netflix went to the trouble of heavily disguising her
My take is slightly different. Martha had similar looks and mannerisms to Fiona. They even used the same phrases in tweets (hanging curtains etc), so she could be, and was, easily traced. Despite what he said, Gadd wanted her outed, partly for catharsis, partly retribution. Now Darienne O'Connor, the grooming rapist can also be traced with a certain amount of dedicated internet research. Richard Osmond says he knows the real Darienne. The name Gary Reich is bounded about a lot, including in The Sun, and Gadd has not denied it. The timeline fits and there are videos of him with the same creepy vibes talking about the New Moon exactly the same as in Reindeer. He is very well known in his industry, but now Fiona is outed and wants to take legal action, it can only be a matter of time. Gary Reich must be brickin' it. This will wipe the smug grin off his silly face!
Honestly they could've changed some things up. Change hair color or style, hell even time period. Location. Something so they can't search and find. And then ppl that "had to know" leave the poor woman alone. Like he did keep saying stop speculating
He meant to out her obviously.
@@Globaldave1970 it wouldn't b so obvious if they changed some aspects of appearance. They'd b looking for a red head rather than a brunette. Harder to find
@@kiannajohnson2757Roght because her looks os what got her found, not all her messages and social media amd her announcing she was her. Like she's the only plus size woman with brown hair
@@Ashbrash1998 It was the specific phrases used that could be traced back to her tweets."Hung curtains" was put into the search engine of twitter and she came up straight away.
@@Ashbrash1998 she could've been and English woman. Even changing an accent changes something
She’s a Bernie
Funny. Show made to assist victims feel comfortable to come forward. Result of the show is dont speak out or you start a storm. Is that the comedy part.
To me the two of thema rnt right in the napper,he admitted to stalking her,admitted to going back to the so called rapists house more than once for free drugs,end of
I watched it almost immediately. And although I thought some of it was funny, I must have missed something.🤔 Its not that great or interesting of a story really. Not imo
I seen a theory online that Gadd possibly came out with the show + used himself in the series because he kind of wanted her to reemerge. I guess since in the show he admits to starting to like the attention, it’s possible.
Also, I don’t think Fiona is lying tbh. Who would want to be held next to a character such as Martha?
I watched it….I didn’t like it at all. She was clearly mentally ill….he enabled it….he was abused by the writer and kept going back! It was very frustrating!
Her mental state doesn't excuse what she did
@@Ashbrash1998It doesn’t excuse her but it does matter.
He was also clearly mentally ill and a victim
Western feminist are going to try a get this movie banned but then again the man is part of the rainbow community and we know how powerful they are
It’s a fucked up story, not at all funny
This channel talks a lot of nonsense. Copy and paste artists
The most disgusting series ever
Stop saying first, it's annoying
First
Martha????? 😂
First