Will Burkina-Faso and Mali become one country?
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While on a recent visit to Mali, the Prime Minister of Burkina-Faso proposed that the two countries form a federation to become a 'powerhouse'. But is merger this actually likely to happen? And what would this federation look like in practice?
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CORRECTIONS:
(1) At 4:07, we say "Wagner arenât less effective than the French" when we meant to say "Wagner are less effective than the French";
(2) At 4:28, we say "Burkinabe is the capital of Burkina Faso"; obviously, the capital of Burkina Faso is not "Burkinabe" but Ouagadougou, and we meant to say that "about 50% of Burkinabes approve or strongly approve of military rule" i.e. the polling referred to in the video was carried out across Burkina Faso, not just in the capital.
Apologies, these are careless errors that we shouldn't be making, and we hope you nonetheless found the video informative!
Love the honesty though. Thanks for doing what you can to curb misinformation (says me; a lazy fool who will never fact check any of this) đ
Correction: Mildly lazy/mildly over employed by this capitalist nightmare of the 1930s.
Everyone makes mistakes once in a while
The British do have a very strong national instinct to downplay the French :D
I thought Burkina Faso changed their capital recently so âBurkinabeâ got me confused. Thanks for clearing it up.
Btw I always forget Burkina Fasoâs name; only remember Upper Volta
The capital of Burkina Faso is Ouagadougou not Burkinabe.
Oh god I havenât watched he whole video yet donât tell me he actually says that đđ
@@bababababababa6124 reporters these days
@@aamaravel2493 4:25 NOOO he actually said that I canât believe it đđ TLDR needs to stop glancing at Wikipedia for 3 seconds before every video and do actual research đwhat are they doing
Pronounce it, then.
@@spaghettiisyummy.3623 Wag-a-do-gou , really isnât that difficult when you look at it for more than a few seconds
With so many secessionist movements out there, it's interesting to see two countries try to unite. Now, let's see if they'll succeed to unite, but history tends to say no.
The track record of this happening in Africa doesn't show any success: Ethiopia+Eritrea, Somalia+Somaliland, Egypt+Syria, Senegal+Gambia. All failed. Wouldn't get my hopes up
â@@ismailahmed7994 The only example that worked is Tanganica and Zanzibar, but that happened just a few years after their independance.
Worked for the USA!
Afrika is not ole the 50 USA.states.
It is more akin to the 500 First Nations of the Americas.
â@@BonsuBigWhale even the US states have secession movements, like some want to break up California
Fun fact: Burkina Faso and Mali combined would be the world's 4th-largest gold producer (behind China, Russia and Australia).
Dutch disease. This gold stat means nothing.
Africa is so rich but so poor
The capital of Burkina Faso is Ouagadougou, their people are known as Burkinabes. I'm generally very supportive of your videos, but this is a very basic thing to get right, please don't make such simple mistakes...
This is an occurrence in every video pretty much
TLDR stands for Too Long, Didnât Research
@@Precel42 darn
how do they keep getting it wrong
@@Precel42 especially on non-western issues. I wonder if they realize their white liberal bias.
I swear west Africa are contractually obligated to suggest merging mali with something at least ones a year.
hahaha
I was just in Burkina đ§đ« and spoke to a couple of people about this. They all pretty much said it's not reality, and when the next coup happens, the idea will be off the table.
White people hate good news.. Bye
It's so damn depressing when people expect coups as if it's rain
@@saulgoodmanKAZAKH fr
As if itâs rain*
Damn that's sad.
âMalifasoâ is such a cool name though
or Fasimalo ;D
I donât know if it would work though. See, âfasoâ means fatherland in Bambara. Actually the official name of Mali in Bambara is âMali ka faso jamanaâ, literally the fatherland of the country of mali. Locals and neighboring countries wonât recognize âmalifasoâ as a blend of Mali and Burkina Faso but as someone trying to speak Bambara with poor grammar đ đ
If they add Guinea it could be Malifaso New Guinea, West Sudan or North Ghana (Mali was the Ghana Empire historically)
@@stephenanderson1594 Mali was the ghana empire? Could you link me a source saying that? I have never heard that before
African unity is always good to see
I agree, but I donât think Mali and Burkina are in a position to unite when they each have their own glaring issues. Unifying will not magically solve the terrorism problem in both countries, it may even exacerbate it
â@@bababababababa6124 their issues seem quite similar to međ€ we won't know until they try so I think people are just being too negative just for the sake of it
@@nbosamaz1290 I hate being negative especially about Africa, being African myself I always try to stay positive about our situations, however I just canât see how this possible unification will solve any of the issues that both countries have. Call me a pessimist if you want, but you canât blame me considering that both countries have tried this unification thing multiple times with other countries and it has failed spectacularly every single time. I donât see how this time will be different. Both countries should focus on their own issues first before considering taking a step like this
@@bababababababa6124 indeed, there are still a lot of steps that need to be taken before complete integration within our continent, but there are some things integration can help fix such as a single currency and full implementation of Afcfta
I might be European but I see a lot of similarities with Africa and Latin America and I do not see it likely Africa will get a regional currency anytime soon if you look how unstable several countries are maybe in countries which plan to unify but not all across Africa as a whole especially not how Africa is way more unstable due to cultural and linguistical divides while Latin America has more similarities than anywhere else in the world but they also are having a hard time implement a regional currency I do hope it will happen it can give Africa better economic position
Love the fact TLDR renames the capital of Burkina Faso without the whole world knowing about it. Wow đ
You can't expect the British of all people to actually know basic work of journalism!
@@adhiwicaksono6149 hahaah yeah
â@Charlie I'm 100% sure that no one in Peckham knows thatđ
Malibu cracked me up, thanks for explaining this hard and very fascinating topic.
Another possible name might be Bulima, which could be easily confused with Bulimia....
Malibu also raises the question of who gets the dream houseâŠ
I hope they merge and call themselves Malibu. That dry joke delivery was epic
The problem with uniting burkina faso and mali is that they have quite different culture and prominent languages. In burkina faso mooré is the most common language but in mali it is bambara. if gambia and senegal cant be one country i doubt that burkina faso and mali can be one country
I think that in most of Africa, the common European official languages matter more than the local languages. Thatâs probably why Senegambia didnât work out because Senegal is Francophone and Gambia is Anglophone. Thereâs also separatist movements in the Anglophone parts of predominantly Francophone Cameroon. Mali and Burkina Faso are both Francophone countries though. Thereâs also East African countries like Kenya, Tanzania and Uganda trying to unite under the common Swahili language.
What about India? How are they still unified?
Gambia and Senegal are actually very similar culturally with the same religion
The reason it didn't work out is because they had different colonizers... Gambia(British).. Senegal (French)
When Senegambia was formed Gambia being a small country felt like they were being swallowed by the bigger French speaking Senegal
@@JohnDiceAcademy Valid
@@JohnDiceAcademy (Pan-)Indian Nationalism has had much longer to develop as a concept compared to many other African nationalisms id imagine. And the commenter above you mentioned a common European language is a large factor, in Indias case, English.
This will definitely work and definitely wonât collapse in seconds
Yeah what could possibly go wrong with two (possibly three) impoverished war-torn countries forming a single country
@@mnm5165 absolutely nothing of course
I'm sure it will be one of the most developed countries in Africa in a few years time,it will definitely have a flourishing economy
@@bababababababa6124 that's not what he said
@@bababababababa6124 He never said it would become a more developed country than Europe
4:07 this statement doesn't make sense. Did you mean "the wagner group aren't more effective than, the french", or "the wagner group is less effective than the french" maybe?
The Wagner group is doing more of the dirty work compared to the french forces.
The French forces felt more like a peace keeping force.
The Wagner group is specialized in offensive operations.
@@command_unit7792 as far as i know, that was the job of the french, being a peace keeping force
Their job was to eliminate or atleast lower terrorism within the sahel but it has only grown and emboldened over the years which is why they got kicked out
@@nbosamaz1290 as far as i know they didn't got kicked out, they left on their own because of the cooperation from the government with the wagner group, you might wanna educate me in this though
@@hissukka6619 they said this, they said that. Who can really tell these days with politicsđźâđš let's just say they had a "mutual understanding" when it endedđ
for this to work Guinea needs to join also , as it would make the new country no longer land locked
Agreed
This is SUPER KEY. And would free the new nation economically
Either Guinea or Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana (with the higher GDP). But I highly doubt Ghana would since they recently sanctioned Mali for the coup and expressed concerns over Wagner in Burkina Faso.
Never thought of it like that but you're right
Of it would not be Gha n it could not be Cpte D'Ivoire.
It could only be Guinea, which is why the Biden administration is making its about face to engage Guinea from its position in 2022 when it excluded Guinea from the U.S. Afrika summit.
But Guineas population is not stupid to return to neocolonial servitude.
How many times are we going to see mali attempt union with one of its neighbors? Seriously, it's happened so many times at this point it should be a meme
Well it's not like there's lack of candidate for the French to stage some coup and ruin them!
burkina faso brought up the idea this time
Interesting to think about. It sounds similar to the proposed East African Federation.
Except actually some what realistic
@@shangothunder1055 Mali-Burkino Faso or East Africa?
@@joshuawells835 Mali-Burkino
@@shangothunder1055 Mali-Burkino is somewhat realistic or East Africa is somewhat realistic?
@@joshuawells835 Mali burkino
I think it's possible. Looking back at the history of this continent, societies were either separate tribes or unified under multi ethnic empires. A merge like this is not impossible to imagine.
Those involves an initial wave of ethnic cleansing and one dominant over the others, which means war today
Any attempt of African countries unifying end up being failures and worse off for the individual countries, let's see how the east African federation ends up.
Societies were seperate tribes? Could you give an example
And multi ethnic empires? Is that like what rome, the UK, France etc had?
@@justinarzola4584 Woah, could you give examples of what you mean. I'm new to African history
@@Tu51ndBl4d3 the Mali Empire, the Mandinka Empire and the Old Ghana kingdom were all multi ethnic empires.
Now they just need a coastal nation to join this union!
Great video!
Since you're covering Africa, PLEASE cover the Nigeria election in 7 days. This is one of THE most important African elections!
FYI - the "j" in junta is pronounced like an "h" just like how the word "jalapeno" is pronounced "halapeno".
Thank the Spanish for that :)
While this is true for American English itâs usually pronounced as a normal j in British English ^^
@@Terrokkarraa it's not American English, it's Spanish.
@@outdoorinwithzach Oh for sure, the word comes from Spanish and pronouncing it like an h is closer to the Spanish pronunciation but itâs usually not pronounced that way in British English
Because the British get a pass in butchering words and names in other languages for some reason lol
@@outdoorinwithzach it was originally from Spanish but the pronunciation has now shifted
Shhhh, don't say that aligning with your neighbors is good for your economy. It'll make the Brexit'ers angry
One of the poorest episode quality TLDR has ever put out. Apart from the obvious already adressed in the pinned comment...
5:38 Mali and Burkina already have the same currency. As every country in WAEMU.
Also 6:38, the legal basis is the French law inherited from colonialism in 1960. As both are ECOWAS and WAEMU (UEMOA) countries, the regulatory alignment is pretty much already done
Edit. The video is not bad, by no means, but we have been used to a better standard in mistakes and facts checking by the TLDRs channel. I would appreciate that we maintain the consistency even when you guys decide to tackle a subject that you guys are not familiar with. Other channels or media build a network of local experts to double check the script of videos related to their geographical area. It could be a good way to push TLDR Global in the right direction.
Both countries havenât changed their law since 1960? If they have then of course there is a lot of alignment to do.
chill
@@maxdavis7722 both countries are part of the same economic and regulatory union. Even if some laws have changed, they still have to be consistent with each other. Not to say there is no work to do, bit that's not the herculean task the channel has painted it to be
@@ouonouanwilfried-desire7758 I still disagree, law is a whole lot more than export regulations. Some parts may have some similarities but you are essentially suggesting that it would be easy for EU countries to combine their law. It simply is not true.
They're always making these mistakes no matter the region
"not less effective", so they are more effective I assume (probably cause they don't mind using more 'coercive' tactics).
They corrected it to "less effective" lmao
Its 1:30 am and I'm watching tldr
Its 9:30 am and Iâm watching tldr
down the rabbit hole
@@rich45davis you rang?
Canât wait for the new Malian empire. I hope the first African Billion will be from here. Itâd just be right.
Arent there already african billionaires due to inflation
There's at least two African billionaires already, Elon Musk and Isabel Dos Santos come to mind immediately and there's probably more.
@@sneed3040 guys⊠there are AT LEAST 20 African billionaires already đđđno idea what PurpleDevil is talking about but I guess because africa is poor he assumed thereâd be no billionaires from there, but there are at least 10 from Egypt and South Africa alone and Nigeria has a few as well including the richest man on the continent.
There are actually a couple of African billionaires: Aliko Dangote, Femi Otedola, Johann Rupert just to name a few
Bro thereâs dozens of African billionaires already, I get the joke youâre trying to make but damn do research lmao
Mali really be restoring that good old Empire they used to have
Mali will fall to Islamists in a month if russia gets tired of carrying their useless gover like France did đ€Ł
A Union between Mail and Burkina Faso should be called âMalibuâ.
We hope that
I think a military and economic alliance between Mali and Burkina Faso would be better suited than formally united the two nations.
Africa must unite to be strong.
Not really
@@shangothunder1055 kenya
@@Wither5000 Whatđ€·đż
A comment about the graphics: the chart of deaths from terrorism is really hard to read, because you label the vertical axis (and caption) as deaths, not deaths-per-, but then you use a line graph and not a bar graph. I honestly can't work out what it is saying (other than as an overall disturbing trend, of course). Are these annual deaths?
I think it's a good idea.
Goes hard
Well I was fantasising about it for some time
This is the second time you make the "burkinabe is the capital city of Burkina Faso"
One time was bad enough, but to do it again shows that you didn't pay attention to the feedbacks, and don't question your sources when you tackle a topic you're not too familiar with for the second time.
This is bad.
Who cares.
@@notbfg9000 I do. Who cares about your comment ?
@@notbfg9000 Me, cuz it's very hard to trust such a news source.
@@notbfg9000 we all care except you
The Map looks like a butterfly
Can't unsee it now đ
Alternatively, will they be two countries, just with different borders, as Azawad splits off?
The world should be more united. This is a step in the right direction. We are all human and once we get past tribalistic ideologies, we will fix many of our problems.
One struggle đ€
Somehow i don't think this will help make either country less tribalistic, but always hopeful for the best
That's not what Paris would want though
idk mate, compare countries like Iceland, Norway and finland, where most things work well and people largely share a set of basic ideas, to some of the huge countries with many large different cultures in their borders. How would one realisticly have a discussion in a world government where 1/3 of the population would want to kill all gay people, some people believe insulting their religion is a crime while others want full democracy, and others want a communist dictatorship? Like how would you possibly do this? It would just become a hot mess and end up with noone being happy at all. Sounds nice, doesn't work in practice.
@Blackfatrat well people who want to murder anyone for anything is pretty despicable but thats a whole over conversation. Countries over time and have banned captial punishment one by one (because it does not deter people from commiting crime) but yeah. It won't be instant but we will get there eventually.
Thatâs great news
I looked this up and to my knowledge there have not been any news about this.
Ever time they do something like this shit goes to hell and back
âBurkinabeâ đđđ
This is why this is the best channel. American media would never cover this
I mean theyâre as bad with geography as Americans are given their many mistakes in past videos and this one
I heard this story on Democracy Now! weeks ago and read it on AP. The good news organizations are covering this stuff, regardless of nationality.
very interesting it will benefit every sides and can be benefactor every sided on this
I hope. !
2:18 kinda weird not to explain what happened in 2016...
ive hoping this since this video is uploaded đ
I live in Brazil and only knew about it here, three weeks after it was posted. We know nothing about Africa here.
Issues make people stronger and make the countries powerful
This happened in a Vic 2 CWE mod playthrough of mine....
What about Azawad? You said in a previous video that Azawad could maybe become an independant country in the near future. Would Azawad remain in Mali if a federation was set up? Would they still break off of Mali? Would they break off of Mali before a federation could be created and would it negate the chances of a federation?
There would never be a place in Mali calls as Azawad. those thugs are Arab orgines. they are drug traffickers and can never stand against our Army.
Burkinabe is the capital of Burkina Faso? đđđ I
wish youâd spend more time on polishing your videos instead of promoting Ads
im rather curious on what the name of the country will be and its flag, and whether or not Guinea will join as well.
It is not about uniting to become one nation but some kind of federation that they may share many things in comon e.g the currency, borders free, they will work like one for the comon good of every one with a strong security tie,
Take a shot every time he says military junta
It's a combination with no dreams or hopes.
They could start small and integrate like the Benelux in the 1950s, which slowly grew into the European Union over the next decades. Malibu...
This might be a rhetorical question - did previous attempts in the 60's to form federations did not fall because of the French meddling? You know, the old "divide and rule" stuff the colonial powers are so good at.
Ssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! Stop saying the quiet parts aloud!
Sahel is pronounced as Sahel, not Sah-hel. The capital is Ouagadougou. And less effective.
Wait until Azawad sees this!
Malibu đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Ouagadougou is the capital of Burkina Faso.
Burkinabe is the name given to someone who lives in Burkina Faso.
There seem to be many unifocation initiatives in Africa, it's great.
Also like drawing ethnic border is very useless, it'll change nothing
Interesting on Mali and Burkina Faso......
The Burkina Faso name has always sounded very cool to me. If they unite, I hope the name stays.
Considering both countries recently had military coups, are strict dictatorships, that Mali is still stuck in a civil war and doesn't control its whole territory, and the multiple issues they have with terrorist groups, the odds of this actually happening, and if it does, going well or benefitting the citizens as a whole are... Very low.
Isn't it pronounced as "hunta" or is that just a difference between American and British English?
Malibu joke was đ„ đ„ đ„
They were all a part of the same empire many centuries ago
Which dictator would be in charge of the combined nationđ€
Interesting
They should for a federation until they reach the ocean
If this federation happens they can also get Senegal on board , it can provide with sea access
or guinea conakry
Hehe they won't join . These two countries are so unstable
Within 15 hours!
Country of the new country
Whether it happens or not depends on if France supports the plan - given the iron grip they have on their former colonies
You haven't paid attention of recent events am I correct ?
France in Africa is finished.
Not in those countries. France has withdrawn from Mali, whose authoritarian government is now militarily and politically closer to Russia.
Same thing is currently happening in Burkina Faso. The military junta asked and the french promised to move their special forces out and now they're celebrating, flying Russian flags even
Not everyone's down with replacing one imperialist with an even worse one, but the political elites sure are, and they've done a great job of simplifying the situation into France bad and Russia good. Nevermind how one of the first things Wagner did entering Mali was massacre civillians and try to pin it on french troops.
@@Kafei01 But they are in Senegal
It creates a bigger country whose only common language is French. France should support it.
Iron grip my ass, they do what they can to convince African countries to stay in a currency union and cooperate on regional military and economic projects. Countries can change relations whenever they want, like Gabon leaving the currency union, or have ties severed, like Mali and BF have due to military coups
How long will it last.
If Mali wants to unite with Burkina Faso then it will have to give up Azawad which it barely controls anyways.
Excepting the fact that Azawad is a Tuareg invention, and the Tuaregs/Fulanis are minorities in Mali.
Even in Mali's Azawad region. So there's that
I'm thinking about if it would be actually beneficial to Mali to let Azawad be independent. Does Azawad region have many resources?
@@joseloera5849 excepting that Azawad literally has no historical foundation in Mali, whatsoever.
The so-called "Azawad" region that the Tuaregs are attempting to prop up is BARELY populated by Tuaregs to begin with.
Owing to the fact that they are an ethnic minority that arrived in Mali relatively recently when compared to the Indigenous and native Black Malian groups.
Azawad is a fictive premise
Considering how both the Mali federation and senegambia confederation went, I doubt this
TLDR Africa when?
Letâs see how long thatâll last before another coup happen.
Next video - Uganda and Kenya wants to unify with Wakanda.
Mali Empire 2; every country that tried to unite with Mali stays in Mali
If they want it could happen
2nd empire of Mali đł
EU4 reference?!?!?!?
@@jakekn7304 It's a real Empire.
@@jakekn7304 its a real empire which the richest man in history as king, but he has been whittled down to only a figure in a map game?
@@JoinThe_BingvinArmy based username
Mali empire reform speedrun %
Sahel states? The geographical region is called Nigrita
Please. Please let them call it "Malibu".
I truely have never heard of Burkina Faso
Well, now you have
They were famous for child soldiers in the past, now are more stable
Hello,
I would like to thank you for addressing the topic of African events, which are often neglected in international media. I largely agree with your analysis, but I would like to provide some clarification.
Firstly, the 2018 coup in Mali was not solely due to the government's failure to manage the security crisis. It was mainly caused by political instability resulting from political disputes following parliamentary elections.
Secondly, the 2021 coup was not at all related to the inefficiency of the government in power but rather an attempt to regain control by the same military leaders who orchestrated the first coup. These military leaders had established a partially civilian government with a Prime Minister and a civilian president (but former military). When these two leaders tried to remove the military from the government, the military leaders overthrew them.
Like you, I am also skeptical about the effectiveness of private armed groups in such situations. However, I wonder if asserting that they are less effective than French troops is already possible. Given that their possible presence in Mali was only mentioned towards the end of 2021, do we have sufficient data to compare?
Thanks again for this informative video, and good luck with your future projects.
Thumbnail is a little weird?
I'm ok with that, but only without the Azawad which will finally become a free state.
W pfp
It's pronounced "hun-ta" or "hoon-ta"; not "jan-ta" or "jun-ta"
I think itâs only natural to see all these African countries splitting or uniting. Mostly due to the fact that the current colonial borders suck.
Mali has 800 tons of gold deposits, two million tons of iron ore, five thousand tons of uranium, 20 million tons of manganese, four million tons of lithium
Burkina Faso is rich in mineral resources, and produces gold, zinc, copper, manganese, phosphate, and limestone in substantial quantities. It also has reserves of diamonds, bauxite, nickel and vanadium
This 2 countries would be huge commodity producers so honestly Iâm not worried about money
But mineral ore does not make a country rich by itself
@@noriantiri9310true but they can make a country rich if the country produces finished goods with them and sells internationally I sure the Chinese and Russian would be happy to help with that as long as the they also profit from it
Western companies not so much they are more interested in stealing than helping
Mali and Burkina Faso are already both founding members of the UEMOA within the larger ECOWAS (both are also founding membets of this group too, and were suspended recently due to miltary coups in both countries). So isn't part of the road to integration and harmonisation already done?
Why is it always Mali in these federation attempts?
Sahelia sounds like a good name