DEBATE : Is Arteta a BETTER MANAGER than ten Hag? 👀 | Saturday Social ft Goldbridge & Theo Baker
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Smithy and Joe are joined by Mark Goldbridge & Theo Baker this week on Saturday Social. With the return of the Premier League on the horizon, we put a number of true or false statements to the guests and get them to give their answers.
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Theo Baker is up there with Rory Jennings for worst football takes on the internet
Theo is easily #1
Jesus I’m only three minutes in and he’s saying Man City will never win the UCL.. “Well how’d you break a curse”
Bro is banking his whole opinion upon superstition lol
Both Run on passion but I will say Rory knows the history and normally backs up some of his opinions Theo just makes up things on the spot with no idea of the history
@@NamedNamelessName I've just heard the haaland one. What else has he got wrong?
@@hyywe240 hopefully someone who liked my comment replies, i ain’t got time to write all of his wrong predictions
Goldbridge comes across so well
That's his job. Where have you been?
-Roy Keane
Well Goldbridge probably believes United will win the league
@@winnersclub6836he literally said at the start he thinks city will 💀
@@Aaaaaaa0799 he did but I'm pretty sure in his head he believes united will. Just embarrassing to say out loud
I don’t know how Theo keeps a straight face when he comes out with some of the things he does!
He should give up from football CZcams it’s not even funny some of his takes
Ten hag looks up to arteta😂😂bunch of bs
the cUrSe
Ten Hag record in Eredivise and Champions League edges it for me but Arteta is doing a great job. Thanks for having me on. MG
You’ve gone a long way from interactive Monday night shows to sky sports and main stream media, love to see it, keep up the hard work
didn’t expect to see you on here as you were opposed to going on mainstream media until you went on talksport
Slightly lean towards Arteta for winning the FA cup and managed to stay at the top of the league with that Arsenal team
Let’s be real the fact that your a United fan is what edges it for you then again I’m an arsenal fan so I’m just as biased the other way lol
Ten hag snaked CR7
"How they going to break the curse"🤣🤣🤣. As though dude was the one who cursed them
I swear Theo has brain damage 😂
I think its more likley that city win then arsenal in the future
Ask Bela Gutman the Benifica coach...😂😂😂
This curse bs- France shut that down and city/ psg could too
It was Yaya that put the curse on
Arsenal fan but I love Goldbridge! Not afraid to give rival teams or players their praises and isn’t hugely biased. Came across brilliantly in this video
Same
Bit sad Theo is representing the club in this video though
Hugely biased for burdenaldo though
Goldbridge is massively biased in general lol
Goldbridge is such a well rounded football personality. Please have him back on
Such a contrast to Theo
Love Goldbridge, a genuine and nice guy. Knows his stuff about football and speaks very well infront of the camera
That's his job. Where have you been?
@@mediacenterman8583 why are you being negative?
He's a Ronaldo fanboy though
@@lanalan4157 Is that a problem?
@@lanalan4157 Is there really a problem with being a fan of a player? I mean it's totally fine as long as he doesn't attack other players, which he doesn't so i am not sure what your point is.
More of Goldbridge please and merry Christmas for all🎄
More Goldbridge, definitely more Foster! Less Theo Baker and ffs no Thogden!
Hg
Convinced Theo’s relatives mated with a brick at one point
HHHHHmjHHHH
He’s probably the least annoying United fan
Theos face when he compares what Arteta did as an assistant to Pep Guardiola to what Ten Hag did at Ajax. Absolute melt.
People really hate Theo don't they lol
what is more impressive. taking a champions league level team to the semi final. or taking a team that consistently finished out of top 4 was in ruins, and made them title contenders? i don’t have an opinion. just wondering
@Thomas Jones Ajax hadn't won the Eredivisie for five years until ETH took over. He completely rebuilt that Ajax squad and won the league three times in four years. Arteta is a small piece of success at Man City. Putting glory on Arteta is a disservice to the brilliance of Guardiola.
@@Ahmed-og2jm wouldn't say I hate him, I don't know the guy. He just didn't come across well in this video.
@@thomasjones8453 arteta has a solid philosophy but he's spent a lot
Goldbridge is a legend. Almost all his thoughts are same as mine, and I am an Arsenal fan.
We’re not gonna win but maybe next season we will, we’ll also hopefully have some extra depth and our players will be more confident going forward
It’s because he sees sports and football objectively, credit to him. I personally think it’s the only way to do it
@@willjackson5231 how's it objective to think rashford who isn't even sure of starting every utd match gets more goals than saka a definite starter, a better finisher, a pen taker and a better overall footballer?
@@k.a.gebreweld2047 Did you say Saka is a better finisher and better player than Rashford?.. Also Saka has absolutely no competition for his place at Arsenal, team full of bang average players over performing right now
@@Primitive01 when average players consistently overperform thats when they become good players
Theo steals a living as a football youtuber, I lose braincells watching him 💀
What Theo is for this show is like what jar jar binks is for Star Wars. It don’t make sense most of the time but you don’t mind it…
Hardest part of this video is finding the right time when to stop skipping Theo's opinions
Yes he is so wierd
Then why bother watching the video lol he is in half of it
Theo talking about CL curses and he picked PSG. This guy is a complete joke.
Doing the obs city or psg
More of Goldbridge please x
Lmao Brent di cesare gold ridge is the ultimate low life and scammer. A nott forest fan who pretends to support manU. He is also a rac.it’s and a disgrace to society. A plastic fan
No
Theos intelligence, or lack there of, is astonishing.
I know this show is more chill but Theo purely here based on viewers and not credibility.
At least mark has a decent level of knowledge
Does it surprise you? Majority of British media have zero clue about football.
@@WayofWyrd lmao
@@matrix35 true but the same can be said for literally any other country in the world :/
@@thatonebirtyd5058 nope, I think that was the point. Other nations look different leagues etc. I’d be surprised if a Prem fan knew there were other leagues and great teams.
The fact that Theo knows nothing about football yet they allow him on the show consistently worries me. “Conte would go to Real Madrid if he was offered the job” so would 80-90% of the managers 🤡
Other than Pep everyone would consider it
He's a make-a-wish kid, that's why.
Would love to think we can win the league but our backup is Nketiah and theirs is a world cup winner lol
*back up
@@tryinggaming414 Incorrect. That's the verb form for which an example would be a lorry backing up. Are Nketiah and Alvarez moving backwards?
@@tryinggaming414 Ls
@@DeluxeRyan I like Arteta but Ten Hag only manager and team so far to beat Arteta so :)
@@arjs44 It's a shame Ten Hag doesn't only have 1 loss to talk about this season :)
I think a testament to how well Arsenal are playing is how the conversation has switched from Arsenal not making top 4 to now them not winning the league.
It’s actually embarrassing that goldbrige is ignored and maligned by united ex players and isn’t given much of a platform on other shows like Steven howson or Adam mckola are. These people have ripped united fans off, mocked foreign fans and non Manchester fans and then leaked information about marks real name and his family’s names. True Geordie having Adam turn his back on him after he chose him to be on the show and not have goldbridge anymore must have him regretting that a bit now.
No idea what you're talking about
Would you care to explain?
@@doncorleole2356 which part?
Yeah. As a foreign United fan I only sub and watch Goldbridge and Adam on United Stand. The hell with that Stradford Paddock or FTD or United View.
I think if ur going off premier league careers as managers, you have to give it to arteta. But overall Ten Hag has done some spectacular things for realistically a smaller club.
Who’s the smaller club? United? Ajax?
Ajax obviously
@@adam01101 and 1st currently
ETH first premier league season isn't even half way over. Why tf would you compare their prem achievements?💀
@@ultraslanmc Being 1st after 14 games doesn't go on any managers cv. It's 8th,8th and 5th
Given current circumstances Arteta is leading this Arsenal to new heights the club hasn't seen for years since Leicester won the league title. Based on this season, Mikel definitely edges this head to head so far.
However, if we look at the bigger journey past 5 years, you'll give that edge by a mile to Ten Haag. His Ajax team was something wonderful, shame we never got to see the Season 2 with all of the players getting poached.
Arsenal fan opinion.
Goldbridge is a Top G
I remember several years of Arsenal fans calling for Arteta to be sacked. They were hopeless before they were any good. Give Ten Haag the same chance.
Several years? He’s only been here for 24 months 😂
? Arsenal fans only wanted Arteta out when they were gonna get relegated at one point lol. Lucky Smith Rowe and Saka saved the day
@@S1KN3SSxZ I swear he's been there for 3 years
Whilst I agree ten hag needs time artetas job was a much bigger one. He inhenrited a much worse squad and had less money to spend per player.
@@hayychh nah, he joined half way through 20/21, had the full 21/22 season and now we’re halfway through 22/23
as a liverpool fan i have to admit they both fantasic mangers and i admit with arteta he has certainly proved me wrong and i have massive respect for arsenal and arteta the way he has transformed arsenal and with ten hag i dont want to see man utd to succeed at all but i think ten hag will be a success at united he also done some amazing things with ajax semi-finalist yeah you say he had a good side but he coached them aswell and developed them and i think he can do that at united may take some time but i'd say next season you'll see how good he is its too early to say who will better in the end but right now based on what he has done at ajax id say ten hag but its much closer than people think
Respect
Great comment about ten hag
Fairplay mate!
Ten Haag had generational talents like De Jong and De Ligt in that CL semi final side. Once they were sold, Ajax failed to qualify for knockouts in CL, dropped to Europa and crashed out in Europa to much weaker opponents in back to back seasons.
Even without Ten Haag, Ajax are still doing well in the Eredivisie, and would probably had run away with the title if they didnt sell Martinez and Antony.
Ten Haag is a good coach no doubt, but way too overhyped. Jardim took a generational Monaco team to CL semifinals too, but look where he is now.
And the actual credit for Ajax's resurgence under Ten Haag goes to Overmars and Van der Saar.
Mark AND Joe? What a great morning
Too early in Tender Hag's era to tell buy both are very good managers
Autocorrect or not this comment is class
🤣🤣 arteta is clear this man spent 200m and still struggling
@@thenny1166 love to see the common football fan who knows nothing about how clubs work
@@thenny1166 arteta has been here for more than 3 years, Ten Hag has only played the top 10 sides in his first 6 months and has been interrupted by the World Cup, put your bias aside for once, you can clearly see ten hag is improving this united team
Arteta is much better let’s be honest
Goldbridge and Theo Baker are such a joy to have on a social saturday. This was a lovely video to watch!
Even as an arsenal fan I love goldbridge, surely nobody can dislike this guy he's so balanced and honest which we never see in football these days
Arteta still has a bit to prove, but I genuinely believe he’s got potential to be one of the great managers of the future. He’s eloquent, ridiculously smart and he’s detailed.
He’s definitely got the drive to be great.
Goldbridge talks facts tbh
"Facts" the same guy that said studs up isn't a red card.
That's his job. Where have you been?
Impossible to say Ten Hagg has only been there a few months !
1:55 no Theo, Liverpool were never 13 pts clear. Man C were 13 pts clear & nearly chocked
Pretty sure he was referring to the 18/19 season.
@@Ev1LDragonFly bro just look it up shy comment nonsense we were 4 points ahead at christmas
@@lol-bg4wh The gap was 10 points on 29th Dec 2018 (with City having a game in hand) and the two teams set to meet on Jan 3rd.
@@Ev1LDragonFly at CHRISTMAS we were four points ahead, they lost next week which is after Christmas and we were 7 points ahead
Nearly .....and Newcastle nearly won a few leagues in the 90s ,same as Stevie g in the noughties
Brilliant seeing Mark Goldbridge on sky. I've been watching his United Stand channel for years now. Simply the best United content there is. Great stuff!
Debating Mark is intimidating and you can see how Theo is stuttering
Glad to see Sky Sports puts so much effort into proofreading their video titles...
I respect goldbrige and like him everyone has own bias but two great managers we need united and arsenal back fighting like the old days. Real rivalry ina good way
I think fact ESR Zinchenko Tommy Tierney and Partey are all injury prone may be more impactful on Arsenal's chances than Jesus injury. Combined I think squad is quite a bit short but 3 signings in January could make the difference.
Ten Hag CV is way ahead of Arteta but in future we will see. Hag has resources and experience so Arteta has a lot to prove yet.
Goldbridge is becoming ubiquitous and I'm here for it
had to google ubiquitous but i 2nd that, the man is an enjoyable watch
A pointless comparison
Maybe not in England but ETH has won titles and brought a very competitive Ajax into the UCL.... On the other hand Arteta is building something hopeful at Arsenal
Arteta still young prolly 13 years younger than ten Haag who had more managerial experience...
But will see
Maybe they’re right with Saka having a better mentality than Rashford for the penalty miss situation saying he still had a good season next season and rashford dropped off. However, I would argue that Saka had a stable manager that season who nurtured and backed him and rashford had only just got over a surgery that made him start back late in the season was in Manchester United where the manager was sacked before Christmas and a interim manager was brought in that didn’t work. I do think these are important factors to take into account not knocking Saka he’s a great talent. Rashford for his whole career has faced instability in his club he’s now on his 5th manager all with radically different styles of play and he’s only 25. Saka has had a much better start of things for me will be interesting to compare them in a couple of years once ten hag has had more time to influence rashford and hopefully improve his game.
but a great player would be able to adapt and even if they weren’t at there best still be good in a different system. I bet if that were any great player they would still be great, and i think rashford with the perfect environment would be on the same tier as saka(very high just not the top yet)
Sky needs to put more of Goldbridge
Not heard of The United Stand? Catch yourself on
@@mediacenterman8583 I forgot Sky runs the United stand…
@@mediacenterman8583 ah yes a content creator can only show up on their own platform
yeah
Why is he representing Arsenal fans? He's absolutely clueless! Fair play to Mark, at least he's clued up
This debate is an insult to ten Hag. Arteta has finally got Arsenal flying but ten Hag has been sought after by most of Europe for a couple seasons now for a very good reason.
You're supposed to compare like for like or as close as possible to it
What ??? United are the only club that were interested in Ten Haag, no other club has even remotely shown any interest in Ten Haag
@@Roehahn21 exactly what’s these delusional united on about 😂
@@Roehahn21 you are joking right? Ajax literally banned German journalists in press conferences because the stories of RB Leipzig considering ten hagg as the manager were in full force. Marcel van der kraan ( a reliable Dutch journalist) also mentioned that two other big European clubs capable of winning trophies wanted ten hagg.
@@pranshukumar8339 Same Van der Kraan who said United will only sign Antony if they sell Ronaldo, who said Ajax only wants 60m for Antony, who said Ten Haag will definitely sign Timber in the summer window ??
Sure man, watever you want to believe.. As far as I remember, United are the only club Ten Haag has ever been linked with for the last 3 yrs . Never heard of Ajax banning German media, although I did find reports that Ajax actually banned English media, so Ten Haag would focus on Ajax.. L for you, sorry
@@pranshukumar8339 “two other European clubs capable of winning the champions league” implies Man UTD are also capable of winning it. Don’t make me laugh 🤣🤣
Goldbridge the 🐐
Answer will be biased toward Artetas best and current season. If we rated them on the 18/19 season where Ajax were in a Champions League semi final then results would have been different again. Both are good managers.
When were Liverpool '13 points clear' of city? Does he not realise games-in-hand have to be played at some point and therefore need factoring in? 🤣
The thing with Man City is that they win the comp more often right now because they have the most resources available to handle the sheer amount of games. It is the same reason that money has allowed Newcastle to become good. The champions league is a different beast because it isn't an exhaustive number of games and mainly comes down to who coaches and plays better in big spots.
Yet City won the league last year with one of the smallest squads 17 players. Kinda goes against your argument
What a load of rubbish. The best team doesn't always win the CL
@@bluemoon1716 The team that plays the big spots the best win, like I said.
@@bobofett3966 That literally suggest very few injuries occured. Which does not help the argument
@@bobofett3966 If you think that Man City would be anywhere close to where they are if there was a salary cap is ludicrous
It’s like comparing who the better Speller is between myself and my 1 year old nephew 🤦🏽♂️ give the guy a chance to learn his trade ffs
I really like this interview they did honestly. Clean and voiced out their opinions clearly
On the Conte Spurs thing, it is a tough one because Conte is stubborn with the style in the first half of the season, but with the World Cup out of the way and Kulusevski back you do wonder if they’re going to play more like they did when Kulu and Bentancur arrived with Son being more “free”. I think it is very up in the air with them.
love listing to mark when he's having a chilled conversation, (especially on the Fozcast) think he comes across bad when shouting at his fifa/watch along steams
I like the mix. I love Man United losing as Marks reaction is always over the top and drastic.
Can we just appreciate how little theo knows abt football😭😭
Love this session here boys 🤙🏽👑🏆
🤣🤣🤣 I love Theo Arsenal through and through he never breaks character
He's poor
Theo’s stealing a living here
You've got to have mark goldbridge on the show more he's class amd knows his stuff
Not about European Football he doesn't. But he speaks well yes.
Theo such a troll I love it 😂
😂 what you on about his 100% being serious
@@CarthaginianCow his hair transplant failed, not his fault.
Where did they get this guy with the England sweatshirt ?😂😂
Hes building back his mental health after years of being an arsenal fan , give him a pass lol
@@andythoms8130 😂😂
"Nketiah stepped up last season" - 5 in 21 last season, 0 in 12 this season in the Premier League.
nketiah playe 3 minutew, JesterTone be like „we count that as a full game“
Last season he scored more than laca in the EPL despite player half laca's matches and coming on from the bench
5 in 6 starts last season, 0 in 12 off the bench this season - there you go, corrected it for you.
Sky sports finally get mark on. Greed must have got the better of them
It’s not his first time on
For me, regarding the title question only. I think a manager can be ranked as successful in one league (e.g eredivise) but this success should never be automatically translated to another league should they move. We've seen this with managers but also players where they can be top of the world at one place and fans turning on them at another league. The premier league is a different story, so its speculation about Arteta and Ten Hag at the moment. Taking on a job at Arsenal or Man United (even more so) is incomparable especially considering that the changes they are requiring to make goes far beyond just coaching a good team (e.g having to change the entire culture and attitude of the clubs and fans). Great to be having this conversation though, hopefully the UTD Arsenal rivalry for the titles can return!
More Mark content come across so much better than other pundits
Let's start talking about Arteta after he wins the Premier League or some trophy at least. ETH is just months into United job while Arteta has been at Arsenal for quite some time, how do we compare them??
All time bro
The Spurs bit 😂😂😂
I wonder if they're still laughing about Nketiah stepping up now 💀
Gold bridge talks like an analyst without his United bias whereas Theo is fully talking as Arsenal fan. Nothing wrong with that but when it comes to analyzing things just based on reality, you have to take the bias out of the equation.
‘Well how are they gonna break a curse?’
I take it Theo also believes Mbappe is cursed from Pogbas Voodoo magic
Arteta doing a fantastic job at Arsenal, no doubt. Lifting that team's ceiling measurably over the past two years. Ten Hag made Ajax genuinely competitive against Europe's elites. Both Top managers and the PL is lucky to have them imo !
This season it's arteta no doubt. Overall it's ten hag that simple
Artreta took 3 season to be in top 4
Whereas ten hag is doing in his 1st season
@@motivator6 you haven't really played against any decent team recently.
@@Flinstone_Edible for your kind info thanks but ten hag hasnot lost any games vs big six except City and thrash Arsenal 3-1 or you forgot
@@motivator6 that's why I'm saying you haven't really played against decent teams. Also that game against you got lucky with the refs decisions
To early to say, we don't know what both will go on to achieve..
Give ETH more time and he will deliver. ❤️
With Gabriel Jesus getting injured, I just can't see Arsenal maintaining their position ahead of City. He may not have been scoring a lot of goals, but he has been creating space for those that have.
How is it so far mate?
I fancy city making the final but winning it will be difficult! It’s going to be a all English final I reckon
Which other English team? Because chelsea and spurs aren't looking great atm and madrid will knock liverpool out.
Theo making it sound like Man City need to hire a Witcher to break their champions league curse.
Not yet no. Ten hag's won titles with ajax aswell as a ucl semi final. Compared to arteta's one fa cup.
In the Dutch league competing against no one.
@@Law9652UCL semi-final finish with Ajax. And winning is winning especially when Arteta only has one trophy.
@@crispinbell9910 that’s cap and you know it. Arsenal are top of the league over Man City, meaning a team with less talent than Ajax is top of the prem. Yh no.
@@Law9652 ucl semis is probably no-one aswell
@@Naty5HD a semi final is not a trophy 😂 embarrassing
"wolves are a championship sqaud" Theo Baker you need to educate yourself before you speak lad, im not Wolves fan but my grandad is so im fully aware of the history, Wolves are massive
Great from Mark especially pointing out the lack of respect from pundits to Ten Haag
Piez and jimbob:only legends know who I'm on about
I can't wait to come back at the end of the season and laugh at teo for confidently saying arsenal will win the league
Football is a 90 minute game, they could win as well. Hope not!
Isn't it mad, arsenal fans are mocked for believing they can win the league, believing they're challengers AND believing they don't have a chance. How's that one work?
@@JoshAFC when we didn't believe we had a chance at winning the league they yelled at us for not believing so that they could make fun of us when we fall off after the WC. Now Jesus is injured and they know what we already saw coming so it's their chance.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
@@JoshAFC Arsenal at 8th at best looks fine.
Is this even a question? ETH has actually won the league multiple times
In a farmer's league with no competition
Great debate no screaming at each other respecting that’s really good
Great to see Mark here!!
here for goldbridge
With the rashford Saka thing
Rashford will get more goals
This is a big season for him
Saka will get a lot more assists tho
They are two different types of players
Rashfords playing as a forward it would be a shambles if he didn’t saka produces a lot more even while rashfords on form
@@daquaviousbingleton9763 rashford plays on the left
Rashford is a goal scorer. Even in bad form he attracts alot of chances the way he run off the ball. I'll back him to score more and Saka to create more for others.
@@bh6921 But he's a left forward. Saka is a winger Saka takes on a man and beats him. Rashford doesn't do that, he runs inside into space
rashford cant lace sakas boots
I think Arteta may turn out to be a better coach. We have to give ten hag some time but some of his decisions have been a bit baffling
I don't think you can say either Ten Hag or Arteta is better at this moment in time.
The Arsenal guy is the epitome of Arsenal in last decades.
Theo makes Goldbridge look like a ball knowledge expert
Fair play to Goldbridge.
As an Arsenal fan, I think he was the less biassed of the two.
Funny how they mention about Saka only being 21 and how good he is for his age, yet then Antony who is 22 and just joined a new league is supposed to be fully developed and be a complete player already. Price Tag doesn't matter either because i bet for someone to buy Saka from Arsenal right now they'd have to pay the same price if not more
Because he has proven himself, internationally and in the league and England's player of 2022,so yes he will be more valuable than Anthony,who only knows how to spin and misplace the ball
Arteta has more experience in the EPL as a player an assistant to Pep and now a coach. Ten Hag has only just arrived why compare what can't be compared 😳
Ten hags done it in the champions league though but yet no need to compare yet
Only thing Ten Hag has on him is good UCL performances but you’re right there’s no point in comparing a man who’s had 4 or 5 years to rebuild to someone who’s come into a toxic club and hasn’t even had half a season.
Not to mention that Ten Hag also worked as an assistant to Pep at Bayern
"Arteta has more experience in the EPL as a player an assistant to Pep and now a coach"
Average at best Everton midfielder, cone layer and eventually promoted to Chief kit and laundry man and after spending 400m quid managed to finish (December table means nothing) 8th, 8th and 5th.
It's like saying someones had the experience of having a bike for 8 years but it doesn't mean to say they can ride it.
@@cluckingbell1772 I can't see the relationship as to why it's pointless to compare them now they are both good in their own right but why the comparison 😳
Our Mark 💪
How Theo went on about Spurs was so funny!!!
on darwin nunez , when liverfpool signed him skysports news read my tweet out , i said as a utd fan i am happy liverpool overspent on him nunez dont have the attribute to make it at a top premier league club, i feel he would be a idea striker for a west ham , but utd , liverpool are too big for him
Arsenals most important players are Saliba and Partey. Jesus back in February
2024
Theo Baker only has some sort of career because of Joe Weller, he probably would be still flipping burgers at McDonald’s if he didn’t know Joe Weller.
Never even heard of Joe Weller
@@hossamenaba I'm 34 and just looked at some of his videos, seems quite a popular dude
More goldbridge on here he’s class
great to see goldy out of the studio and back out mixing with others
Ten Hag has done great record in Netherland both in Eredevise and Champions League.
Arteta's team is just on foam, and this doesn't make him comparable to Ten Hag.