End of the Line Ep.14 - Harrow & Wealdstone
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2023
- We're at the top of the tube map, top of the Bakerloo, out in Zone 5 ... and did you know there IS an actual stone in Wealdstone ... and the oldest possibe Tube Station building?
The Londonist article on the Weald Stone : londonist.com/london/secret/h...
Download the Bingo Sheet here to play along : geofftech.co.uk/downloads.html
"the often forgotten about hourly Southern train that calls here...."
So forgotten that Southern even forget sometimes
Hi Geoff, I’m the guy who met you briefly outside the station when you were filming this video. Apart from the Weald stone fact, I didn’t know most of the facts in this video, you definitely did the area and the station justice! I would’ve loved to stop and talk for longer but I had to run for my Euston train, looking forward to the rest of the series!!
nice to meet you!! :-D
Lucky
Hi Geoff
It was amazing bumping into you in Chichester at the weekend! My son is such a huge fan, and it made his year seeing you. Just wanted to say thanks
Heather! hello there ... yes, i was in a rush to get back on my bike/train, but nice to meet you both! :-)
@Geoff Marshall he hasn't stopped talking about it since! He watches your videos constantly so is a massive fan. Thank you for your time on Saturday. I cannot express what it had meant to him
Hi Geoff, another brilliant video. Thank you so much for making them. I don’t know if you remember me, I’m the chap with anxiety who wasn’t able to get up to London and you very kindly signed my book and sent it back. I’m delighted to tell you that I’ve finally got up to London yesterday and today, to see Elton John at the O2, and I’ve also finally been on the Elizabeth Line. What a line, spacious, light, airy clean, beautiful stations fully of thoughtfully designed architecture and the trains are spacious, light and fast. We went from Canary Wharf to Paddington and I thought of you singing Purple Train 😂. As I’ve written before, when you’re down here to see the opening of Thanet Parkway and want some tea and Jaffa Cakes brought to you then please let me know 😊.
I took my 6yo son for a ride down to Harrow & Wealdstone the other week from Watford so we could ride on the Watford Viaduct. We took the overground out and one of the mainline trains back up. We saw the Bakerloo train sitting quietly in its siding looking quite insignificant compared to some very large and fast trains busily passing through the station!
Bakerloo line is so underrated. Love the trains and the whole line in general. Loving the series Geoff
The stations along Paddington to Queens Park are a real treat
Not a fan of the trains, as they are too old and shabby. They screech under the tunnels.
Bakerloo and Piccadilly stock are the oldest and last of the classic look. My favourite were the 1967 silver Victoria Line stock cars.
@@eastlancsesteem The whole line seems to be just generally shabby.
@@eastlancsesteem Try the Jubilee Line between Canning Town and North Greenwich. It’s the line curve radius, not the train.
The other fact about H&W is that for a time it wasn't the end of the Bakerloo line. There was a peak hour service on to Watford Junction, after which some trains would be stabled in a shed on what is now the abandoned Croxley branch.
I think that there was a full daily service through to Watford Junction in 1954.
They should have kept it going to Watford.
I did think that the bingo card option, "Used to go further", might be uttered during this episode. Alas it wasn't to be!
@@eastlancsesteem I think that there were some problems with the electrical system that would need a lot of work to allow tube trains north of Harrow. Coupled 313 sets were not allowed there.
The service ended in 1979.
I have an old London Underground tube game, used to loathe having Wembley Central as I’d always get a 1 each time on the dice
The pub next too the Weald Stone was called the Red Lion
I lived 2 minutes from it before I moved to Devon
It was later called the Wealdstone Inn, the last name it had as a pub before it was redeveloped to Bombay Central.
Although as a local I think of that area as Harrow Weald more than Wealdstone.
Nice new end of the line tube map. And love the end of the line bingo!
I don't know how he gets so many ideas🤣🤣🤣😊
5:27 - You can get longer: go from Leyton to either Snaresbrook going anti-clockwise around the Hainault loop, or Wanstead going clockwise around the Hainault loop, and you go through 15 stations without an interchange.
Admittedly, you will need to change at Woodford (and possibly Hainault) to do this.
Geoff back in the end of line rhythm is something we all love to see!
To the Tube!
As someone who lives five minutes from the station, it's great to see it mentioned. Harrow and Wealdstone used to be the main station for Harrow (long before the Met line), hence the fact that the long Station Road from central Harrow refers to this station rather than Harrow-on-the-Hill. You might also be interested to learn that the Railway Tavern (now an Irish pub) opposite the main entrance was where The Who played their first ever gig. I didn't know about the oldest station claim, though. Fascinating stuff. I also believe that the Bakerloo has the oldest trains still running on the network, 1972 stock?
My Gran lived in Wealdstone and I used to go stay with her quite often during school holidays. A favourite passtime for me was to ride either the Bakerloo to Watford and return on the old green passenger operated door stock of the BR service. Another day I might decide to ride Puffing Billy to Belmont and Stanmore and back. I got to know the signalman at Belmont and learned about token operation and block signalling. Belmont was the passing loop on the single track line.
Note that one footbridge span is of welded construction while the others are rivetted - its because it was replaced after the 1952 crash. 112 people died in the worst peacetime accident on British Railways right under that span. When I visit I always try to have a moment of stillness to remember all those lives lost.
Nice video Geoff, Harrow and Wealdstone is my local station.
Many years ago I worked in the Menzies bookstall on platform 2 /3- it was anything but quiet with expresses bombing past the stall at warp factor 8. The actual door to the stall opened out onto the fast platforms and you had to have your wits about you when you either opened or closed the stall. I also used stones to weigh down the newspapers on the counter as the explosion of air did on occasions send these papers flying on to the Bakerloo line to my left.
The bookstall is long gone but I have very happy memories of it as I loved trains so much - it was never dull. (I usually closed the stall for lunch and sat in the soft chair in the stockroom just listening to the trains roar past) . To pass the time I often read paperback books and remember one in particular - Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee as my predecessor ordered two million copies in error which I tried to sell without luck They were about the only items that I did not have to weigh down..... In the winter when things were icing up the overheads used to arc as the trains passed which was spectacular to say the least . Of all the stalls in all the towns this is the one I remember most ........Blue Remembered Hills...
I’m very fond of bookstores at train stations, even if it’s a small section of a newsstand, if there’s a newsstand. The hardback I just finished was from such a place. I also remember exploring the international terminal of a large airport on a long layover and finding there a true, non-chain bookstore, before retail started moving inside security.
I read Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee as a teenager, it's a harrowing tale of the abuse of Native Americans by the Federal Government of the US.
Geoff still got that bit of yellow hair from Elizabeth line Canary Wharf Custom House Abbey Wood video 😍
A quick nip back in time on Google Street View shows the Bombay used to be the Weald Stone (two words) Inn, closed since at least 2012. The Indian restaurant has been open since about 2016.
I'm here after watching John Rogers' latest walking video
As a young trainspotter here in the 1960s I remember seeing those 3-wheel Scammell Scarab Mechanical Horse tractor units used for parcels traffic in the freight yard at the back, now a car park. My best memory of the station was riding the last Belmont Rattler DMU as we called it on the branch line which closed in October 1964.
We used to see them in Harrow Weald in the 70s
The fact that the thumbnail is that simple makes me loving it ❤
By far, the most comfortable seats in any current tube. The start/stop is quite shocking though.
I love the way the doors open before the train stops completely. The only tube line that does that, although I was in Paris recently and a lot of the Metro lines there do the same thing.
These 72ts were fitted with motor relays that cut the power from the camshaft equipment as wheelslip recovery and/or when too much power is put to the motors. That's why when drivers go straight to parallel the motor relays cut the power and resistance from the motors.
@@ajs41 The Victoria Line does it too!
@@ajs41 the Piccadilly's do the same too.
@@tajulislam1522 Not usually when I've been on it. Are you sure?
Hi Geoff from Australia 🇦🇺
This is my daughter's link to her train to school in Watford. I've never used it, just pulled up smartly at the lights up the road where she leaps out and runs for her train.
I used to get on the Overground at Kenton or Harrow and Wealdstone to go up to Watford Girls. We dominated the train for those few stops ☺️
@@StephShrubb Reminds me of taking buses to get to Cal during my first semester there. There were sections when classes of elementary school kids got on them and they took up the bus space.
Crazy to think that after 50 years of no use, you can still make out the trackbed on the abandoned platform.
Got to love the 72 stock!
The Bakerloo line is my local London Underground line😊 That is certifiable!😊
The Bakerloo definitely has to be my favourite Underground line, because of the old, quaint, bouncy trains used on the line. Whether one consider Harrow & Wealdstone to be the oldest Underground station would be whether you are counting from when the first Underground trains ran from the station, or the first trains of any kind. Just Underground, it's a no, but count any train, it is
No other underground line has that nice, real-tube scent like the Bakerloo...
Especially the core section smells great. :-)
Idk if this is bs. But I think the old tube stock have a distinctive smell to them that adds character. I noticed the 1973 tube stock had a smell when I used it recently.
IVE BEEN WAITING ON THIS ONE!!! I grew up in Stanmore so I’d always be taking the bus past and going to Harrow & Wealdstone! I lived near H&W towards the end of living in Harrow borough :)
Same!!! I always end up passing this station or at least changing for the LNWR to Euston, so I was really excited for this one
I've been to Harrow and Wealdstone on the Bakerloo line on train sim world 3😂
Geoff said juxtaposition. That's made my evening.😆
Nice I never been there so I will have to go soon
Woohoo, love the Bakerloo Line, always feels so olde worlde.
It’s not good imho.
Geoff is very precious to the LU community he is the best❤
Yayy, it's finally here. My partner was at the station when Geoff was filming!
I need to use the Bakerloo line more, need to get those pics of the 72TS!
I recommend using the Queen’s Park-Harrow+Wealdstone section.
As a Wealdstone boy born and bred I thank you for pronouncing the Stone at the end of Wealdstone, too many non-locals pronounce it Stne at the end and it sounds like Willesden!
The pub where the Weald Stone is was called the Red Lion by the way.
And given that Willesden Junction is on the same line, it sometimes made platform announcements a tad confusing!
Also it's not even 'Weald' like Geoff and the Bakerloo voice pronounce it like, it is actually more like 'Weeld'.
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Welcome to my home town Harrow please visit soon. So happy thst youve come to Harrow.
Looked forward to this one.. I love to terminated at Harrow & Wealdstone in TSW2!
Watching this from a passing LNW train going through this exact station! Never made it there on the Bakerloo line though but Queens Park was my normal end of line.
This looks good
Yass!!! I love these!!!
If you had turned the other way and gone up over the bridge towards Harrow, you'd have seen a pub which was the place not only where The Who played one of their first gigs, it was also referenced by Kevin Rowland in Dexy's Midnight Runners number one "Geno", where Rowland first saw the Geno Washington band, which gave rise to the lyric of:
"On a night when flowers didn't suit my shoes
After a week of flunkin' and bunkin' school
With the lowest head in the crowd that night
Just practicin' steps and keepin' outta fights"
The Railway Hotel, if I remember rightly. Dont know if its still there, I havent been round there since 2008.
I remember seeing Rod Stewart perform at the Railway Hotel, must have been in the early '60s. The venue was in the basement and was called the "Boom Room", if I remember correctly. Also saw Long John Baldrey and many other bands that went on to fame and fortune. I think the Railway Hotel was demolished long ago to make way for "road improvements" in Wealdstone, but I haven't been there for many years, so I could be wrong.
The Railway Hotel in Wealdstone was burnt down several years ago. The building was replaced by two blocks of flats called Daltrey Court & Moon Court.
Harrow and Wealdstone wasn't always the end of the line. Before 1979, the end of the line was Watford Junction. The platform the trains used is abandon and has weeds growing on it. London Transport removed the line into that platform. I used to got to college in Watford, and remember using some of the last Bakerloo trains at Watford Junction. The trains were the 1938 red trains.
You just got 'used to go further' on the bingo card 😂
surely Leyton to Epping via the Hainault loop counts as being the most consecutive stations without an interchange
Hi Geoff. Love your stuff. I’ve been discussing ideas with friends and we would love you to do some videos on using the far out stations for getting into London from each direction. (Like using reading station to get into London from the west for eg). And detail things like parking, station amenities such as lifts etc as that would be so helpful for people outside of London wanting to travel in. Cheers
This is a brilliant series with every program full of interesting bits of information delivered in an entertaining way. I hope that u will do a London Overground end of the line series after completing this series, and then a Network Rail end of the line series!!
Thanks Geoff, good to hear a bit of tube history for one of the oldest stations in the network.
Some great facts there Geoff!
Brilliant Geoff
My favourite line!
I suppose we’ll be at Aldgate for the next episode
Thank you for pronouncing Wealdstone properly. So many vloggers will do the Wealdst'n thing which has me muttering "there is an actual stone - it's not a shortening of town". Stonebridge Park and Headstone Lane are on the same tracks and they are all stones! 😄
Interesting - Ley Lines ?
@@highpath4776 Certainly "The Old Straight Track". 😄 The ancients foretold the coming of the railways!
The more cultured among us (ahem) know how to pronounce it correctly from the infamous Wealdstone Raider
Moved to the UK in 1992 and H&W was the first station I utilised to get to work (jumped out at Willesden Junction, cross the bridge to catch the Richmond train and then three stops to Feltham). The fast trains ripping through the station were a shocker compared to the local trains pootling along...
Awesome video as always Geoff, always look forward to these!
I used to live about a 5 minute walk away from this station, good memories of going to this station daily
Outstanding as always. We love the good old bakerloo
Brilliant video Geoff. Thank you for sharing it that was great information.
Part of my childhood 66-73 .Turn left on to the High Road to my school the Salvatorian College.
I love you series of end of the line
in this ep the map is all northern line but all with interchange signs/limited service line
Thanks so much Geoff. Loving the information of the weald stone.
Loving these videos Geoff
The Weald Stone outside the old Red Lion Pub is really in Harrow Weald rather than Wealdstone. Its a fine differentiation, but something locals (me incuded) would use day to day.
Excellent, Geoff - love the old 72 stock but I’ve never ventured that far. Lovely looking station too!
Really enjoyed the video Geoff! You’re my favourite CZcamsr 😊
Tube seats always look so comfy compared to any other subway seats.
I think there is an out if station interchange with Metropolitan line at Kenton with Northwick Park (which by the way you did in your most of the OSI in one journey video). So it's not THAT dead end...
NorthwickPark Station is about a quarter of a mile walk from Kenton Station, IIRC, so not quite an interchange. :)
Pleasure as always Geoff.
On the subject of Wealdstone - Weald, Wald, Wold all mean high wooded uplands. The Weald of Kent, the Cotswolds, the Grindelwald in Switzerland.
Fantastic video Geoff. Having lived in North Wembley all my life I know this line really well and the Bakerloo Line is one of my favourite lines along with the 1972 stock which have so much character. It's a beautiful station Harrow & Wealdstone and really interesting about the stone which gives it it's name which I didn't know about. Looking forward to Stanmore which I haven't watched yet and the rest of the series. Have really enjoyed this series. Thanks for the great work you do. :)
I can remember in the mid 90s when they were refurbing this station and some WW2 era timetables were revealed, I remember looking at them in awe as it was like revisiting history, I lived
A few minutes from this station,in the early 80s i lived in Kenton and on route to Watford Higb street station we would go on the old yellow and blue slam door trains good old days. Thanks for a super vid.
I grew up in Wealdstone. Still have vague memories of mum taking me up those huge steps and the looooong journey on the Bakerloo into London
And at 5:13 your standing in a green paddock that used to be a line to take you to Belmont Station- on Belmont Circle. A 15 min walk from my parents home. Station closed decades ago- I think before I was born
(Oh damn you mentioned it!!! I’ll check that vid then and see more of my hometown)
I haven't watched yet but as someone that lived there for 26 years, I can't wait to see how you polish this turd with your infectiously positive outlook.
Ah you didn't venture too far so all good. Glad you mentioned the train crash, it was pretty brutal, there are pictures online of the aftermath. I remember learning about it at school.
Your "side entrance" by the car park is the front of the station, look at the architecture. It is the side where people lived. I believe it was once a Royal Mail interchange. I use the station regularly.
I was briefly in London and Bristol for a work trip back in October and one of my most memorable moments of the trip was the underground train rides and the Mind the gap announcements! Such a beautiful country you guys have. Here in India, it's very similar except that there are no plush seats in the coaches 😄
Sarsen Stone.... felt like I was watching Paul Whitewick for a second! Brilliant video Geoff
I twisted my ankle when I fell down the stairs here running for the last Bakerloo train one night. I managed to hobble into the train though but I had to hop home after getting off the train.
5:03 If you catch a Woodford via Hainault Central Line train from Stratford, you will also pass through 13 tube stations that don't interchange with any other tube line (unless you count the Central Line interchanging with itself at Woodford)
Leyton (1) -> Leytonstone (2) -> Wanstead (3) -> Redbridge (4) -> Gants Hill (5) -> Newbury Park (6) -> Barkingside (7) -> Fairlop (8) -> Hainault (9) -> Grange Hill (10) -> Chigwell (11) -> Roding Valley (12) -> Woodford (13)
You could also technically count a chain of 18 non-interchange stations if you took a Picadilly Line train from Acton Town to Acton Town by going round the Heathrow Terminal 4 loop, but a bunch of those are just doing the same station twice so that probably doesn't count.
"the often forgotten about hourly Southern train that calls here...."
Yeah I still want to go on that, but Harrow & Wealdstone has been helpful in getting to Euston one-stop (LNW Railway). I recalled Geoff briefly talking about it's grade-listed status (in the same week the video came out), and noticed it even more recently.
Amazingly about the "dead-end"...
1. The Picc would not have won even if the Vic didn't come to be;
2. The District (Upminster leg) would only have won if the H&C had stayed at Whitechapel and the Jubilee had not been extended (Mile End to Upminster was enough to win though)
3. If Elizabeth Line is considered a tube line, still not enough: Only 12 stops out of Stratford to Shenfield
4. If the Northern wanted to win the extension to Sutton would have to happen first
5. If the Bakerloo extended southwards to Hayes, this southern end would at best tie the record -- there had to be no branches
Lived in Harrow for 15yr and I never knew there is an actual STONE of Wealdstone! Thanks!
Good to see the disused platform. I used it travelling from Belmont to school at Headstone Lane. This was by DMU but I do remember steam hauled goods trains, predominantly bananas, going up to Stanmore. I used to run over the footbridge to catch my connection. Thanks for the memories of the 60's.
I like the Bakerloo because my dad took me on the last red Underground trains when I was small, on my infrequent visits to London from the Midlands.
The longest dead-end on the London Underground is actually the central line after Stratford, with 20 non-interchangeable stops (19 or 18 if you dont include Hainault or Woodford); the Bakerloo line has 13 :)
Obviously the Hainault loop (reducing the dead end's root to Woodford) undermined the claim
Liking the blonde streak in your hair Geoff
If you went inside Bombay Central you would find a model train whizzing round on a suspended track on the ceiling
Not exactly an interchange, but you've got an OSI between Kenton & Northwick Park (Met) so it's not _completely_ a dead end. 6 minute walk according to google, TfL grant you 20 mins to do it.
I don’t count that
allows time to go shopping !
Did you notice that the footbridge is newer and of a slightly different construction over the fast line platforms because the original span was destroyed in the terrible 1952 crash.
Nice video Geoff!
Bombay Central is a long distance train terminus & a suburban train station in Mumbai! So there's a bombay central in London! Cool!
Up to 1982 Watford was the end of the Bakerloo when it was cut back Stonebridge Park, which became the Terminus. Then restored to Harrow & Wealdstone in 1984. I think!
The abandoned platform at Wealdstone was used by a shuttle service to Belmont which I used regularly in the early '60s to do part of the journey to school. The line continued to Stanmore, but that section was closed to passenger traffic in the mid fifties. I remember steam hauled shuttles on the Belmont - Wealdstone section, which was replaced by a DMU in about 1961. The nickname for the service was "The Belmont Rattler".
I used to travel by train from Watford to Secondary school in Wealdstone and started my first job at a Solicitor's office on The Bridge in 1972. The firm is still there. When I was studying at Lancaster Gate in 1980/81 I used to get a Bakerloo train direct from Watford High Street, 1938 stock!
H&W is a useful station for getting from Paddington to the line up towards Watford, Hemel and beyond. The transition from LU to National Rail is much easier at H&W (a quick hop over the bridge) than at Euston (walk through all the tunnels etc. from Euston Square).
What a great video for me as an avid enjoyer of the Bakerloo line on Train Sim World! :D
Regarding 5:13, In theory the central line could pass through 15 stations in a row which are only the tube - from Leytonstone to Woodford inclusive via Hainault is a run of 13 but it is then possible for the train to carry on south of Woodford passing through South Woodford and Snaresbrook making 15