Real Lawyers React to Bob's Burgers ft. Law By Mike

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  • @LawByMike
    @LawByMike Před rokem +660

    Should we do more of these?!

  • @mizinoinovermyhead.7523
    @mizinoinovermyhead.7523 Před rokem +581

    Objection: The person who gave the apple to snow white was not the queen, but an old hag. The defense has yet to provide proof that these are the same person.

    • @jameson1239
      @jameson1239 Před rokem +9

      The Pinkerton rule

    • @mizinoinovermyhead.7523
      @mizinoinovermyhead.7523 Před rokem

      @@jameson1239 only is valid if there is a conspiracy. The defense has shown no connection between the old hag and the queen. Pinkerton would apply if they were in conspiracy to do something and poisoning Snow White furthered the goals of the conspiracy.

    • @jameson1239
      @jameson1239 Před rokem +10

      @@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 her goal was to be the fairest lady of all the land that sounds like a conspiracy to me

    • @mizinoinovermyhead.7523
      @mizinoinovermyhead.7523 Před rokem

      @@jameson1239 a criminal conspiracy (or for that matter any conspiracy) is defined as two or more parties agree to an action (in criminal conspiracy the action is committing a crime) and then take steps toward completing said action.
      First let us assume the audience knows things the general public of the Snow White tale does not, that is to say the people of the tale do not know the witch and the queen are the same person. This is a fair assumption as there are no witnesses to her transformation.
      Now let us try and prove that the witch and the queen worked together to poison Snow White.
      The first thing required to prove criminal conspiracy is entering into an agreement.
      This requires evidence of the agreement, a signed document, a witness to the agreement etc. Since the queen nor the hag can be placed in the same room together there is no evidence of an agreement. Without that there is no evidence of a conspiracy.

    • @Donteatacowman
      @Donteatacowman Před rokem +31

      Yeah, I was thinking this too. Even Snow White, the only witness of the crime, had no reason to believe that lady was the queen. I'm surprised this made it to mock court, considering the shaky case and the queen's legal sway.

  • @esta7763
    @esta7763 Před rokem +594

    I was the bailiff of a mock trial of the Three Little Pigs. I don't remember much of the case except for the defense asked his client the wolf what his occupation was. The Wolf's occupation was selling storm proof doors and windows, and was "demonstrating to the pigs that their doors and windows weren't strong enough to withstand the elements." The wolf was found not guilty.

    • @elizabethsmith3374
      @elizabethsmith3374 Před rokem

      I would have brought up the true story of the three little pigs and how the media made up details and only got one side of the story so his case can't be fair cause no one has heard his story

    • @stevensam7800
      @stevensam7800 Před rokem +8

      what were the charges ?

    • @esta7763
      @esta7763 Před rokem +25

      Can't remember. Probably for destroying their houses or something.

    • @tracychavez-markee9946
      @tracychavez-markee9946 Před rokem +8

      Omg that’s amazing

    • @ElvisFreshly
      @ElvisFreshly Před rokem +41

      I mean… would still be found guilty. I can’t be a door to door vacuum salesman go to your house destroy your vacuum and then just say it was because I sell better vacuums 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️😂🤣

  • @moonlightingjam
    @moonlightingjam Před rokem +192

    Antigone is one of my favorite Greek heroines. Her whole defense is "Yeah I broke the law, but that was a stupid law anyway" which is becoming quite relevant in our day and age.

  • @JuniorT
    @JuniorT Před rokem +1477

    I think the suit shorts is a great idea; call them "Legal Briefs"

  • @rev.diablo8326
    @rev.diablo8326 Před rokem +1386

    I would 100% watch a legal series that draws from classic works like Antigone.

  • @zoeh6393
    @zoeh6393 Před rokem +250

    We did a mock trial in my hs English class after reading "of mice and men". I was George's defense attorney and took it way, WAY too seriously. Cross examination went poorly when it became abundantly clear that my star witness had not read the book.

    • @officerahmo
      @officerahmo Před 11 měsíci +3

      HAHAHAHAHA That's hilarious

    • @TheOfficial_YoItSJaKe4091
      @TheOfficial_YoItSJaKe4091 Před 11 měsíci +2

      I remember that book! Good times! (It’s only been 2 years at most 😂)

    • @echognomecal6742
      @echognomecal6742 Před 8 měsíci +2

      This caused me physical paaaaaaaaaaaaain

    • @american_jackal5956
      @american_jackal5956 Před 6 měsíci +2

      I feel your pain. I was the prosecutor against Rainsford in my high school English class's mock trial for "The Most Dangerous Game." Not a single one of the other students gave a crap and the jury ruled not guilty when Rainsford escaped the hunt just to break into Zaroff's house and kill him.

    • @Anty_Praza
      @Anty_Praza Před 5 měsíci

      Mock trials weren't a thing in any of my schools. That's sad, because it sounds fun to me.

  • @Technodreamer
    @Technodreamer Před rokem +212

    "It will hurt your case, even though it's not supposed to" just about sums up the American legal system.

    • @ids1024
      @ids1024 Před rokem +30

      And I'm sure it's entirely coincidental that "formal" clothes are expensive. (And not actually practical for anything.)

    • @henrynorcrossii3363
      @henrynorcrossii3363 Před rokem +2

      I would check a lot of thrift stores. I've fa couple of nice suits. One was a brand new, 3 piece Italian suit, the original tag was around $500, it fit me like it was tailor made for me, andit was $25.00.

    • @Technodreamer
      @Technodreamer Před rokem +3

      @@henrynorcrossii3363 Good advice, but it doesn't address the core problem

    • @lolaartemis
      @lolaartemis Před rokem +5

      @@henrynorcrossii3363 as someone who works two jobs and takes care of 4 other people, it makes me laugh madly to imagine having the time to hunt multiple thrift stores. In the past, I've checked thrift stores for things I need, but never found what I needed. If we're going to live in a world where people must depend on charity to survive, then charity needs to be mandated.

  • @neeneko
    @neeneko Před rokem +414

    I would think a defense would be fairly straight forward : sovereign immunity. She was a local sovereign power who ordered the assassination of a political threat, which means she was doing it as part of her official role and duties.

    • @seanfager8063
      @seanfager8063 Před rokem

      There's precedent! The treason trial of Charles the First. His defense rested not on the facts of the case but on the inability of the court to legitimately try him, since he was literally Sovereign.

    • @neeneko
      @neeneko Před rokem +16

      @@seanfager8063 If I recall correctly, this has come up more than once in England. I guess it all comes down to who is making the laws when.

    • @keithmartisius781
      @keithmartisius781 Před rokem +13

      @@neeneko Historica Civilis channel covers this I believe. There was a trial of the King for treason. Iirc it hinges on whether the kings power came from divine or popular mandate. I’m probably misrepresenting something but it’s a good channel.

    • @neeneko
      @neeneko Před rokem +5

      @@keithmartisius781 heh. it has been ages since i watched it, but I think I saw that video.
      I guess the complexity of such a defense would hinge on who was ruling at the time of the trial. Such historical cases tend to be in the context of a new ruling group trying a previous ruler while wanting to maintain political stability/legitimacy.
      Which means, one way or the other, it would likely not be a trial that is fair nor rooted in objective law. The current political situation would play the dominant role.

    • @lilymarinovic1644
      @lilymarinovic1644 Před rokem +2

      Snow White was a political threat? I thought she was just a pretty princess?

  • @herkles5416
    @herkles5416 Před rokem +499

    I would love to see you cover historical court cases, trials and events from antiquity and the middle ages. Ancient plays are also good too. :)

    • @DorianGrayClampitt
      @DorianGrayClampitt Před rokem +12

      Imagine a bunch of lawyers and a former judge do a mock trial on CZcams, we act as a jury.

    • @eddiesmith9955
      @eddiesmith9955 Před rokem

      Yes!

    • @xanthepaul2906
      @xanthepaul2906 Před rokem +1

      Bump for sure!!!

    • @walteracevedo5105
      @walteracevedo5105 Před rokem +4

      A mock trial of "Citizens of Wonderland vs Alice" would be very interesting.

    • @stevekristoff4365
      @stevekristoff4365 Před rokem +2

      This is so funny as I was reading through the ancient greek plays as well as actual Roman trials or commentaries and would absolutely LOVE a discussion on these items. Especially in that the Roman case there was no 'constitution' or in the greek case where even though each city state had codified laws it's really interesting that the arguments went more toward disparaging the opponent more than facts in the cases.

  • @donalddickerson206
    @donalddickerson206 Před rokem +175

    Not gonna lie, I think a series where you and Mike or you and other lawyers take over prosecutor and defense roles to do a mock trial for works of literature would be awesome. Especially if you let viewers file the potential complaints/issues and submit various works to look at for various reasons.

  • @trstmeimadctr
    @trstmeimadctr Před rokem +7

    Somehow these 2 simultaneously come off both as friends and as people who can't wait to leave the room

  • @richtersundeen6105
    @richtersundeen6105 Před rokem +215

    Antigone was clearly "guilty" but the law was unjust. It's a case for jury nullification if there ever was one.

    • @jansalava1046
      @jansalava1046 Před rokem +2

      What is unjust as treating a traitor and would be usurper the same as the invaders he brought with him to overthrow the government? Antigone had no problems with treatment of the Argives dead and objected to the laws merely as they pertained to her own conduct.

    • @DaoFAQ
      @DaoFAQ Před rokem +21

      @@jansalava1046 Objection! Antigone was attempting to abide by a law put forth by the Olympians whose authority supersedes Creon’s, she would not be in violation of familial responsibility by allowing the Argives to remain unburied however if she allowed her brother to not be given a proper burial then she is subject to likely haunting, possibly barred from passage across the Styx to the Land of the Dead, as well as the Furies seeking divine retribution on her brother’s behalf for allowing him to remain a shade standing on the banks of the Styx without entry to the afterlife.

    • @Vexas345
      @Vexas345 Před rokem +2

      @@jansalava1046 Antigone was not in a position of power in the military so was not responsible to ensure the fair treatment of all the dead.

    • @floraposteschild4184
      @floraposteschild4184 Před rokem +6

      @@Vexas345 Irrelevant. Funerals were conducted by the family of the dead, not the military. In ancient Greece "relatives of the deceased, primarily women, conducted the elaborate burial rituals that were customarily of three parts: the prothesis (laying out of the body (54.11. 5), the ekphora (funeral procession), and the interment of the body or cremated remains of the deceased."

    • @jansalava1046
      @jansalava1046 Před rokem +1

      @@DaoFAQ The law of the court is that of Boetia and not of the Olympus.
      Furthermore following the deaths of her father, Oidipus, and her brothers, Polynices and Eteocles, she has passed into the care of her uncle. Her uncle would therefore on her account of being female be the one held liable for her conduct.

  • @thecontemptuous
    @thecontemptuous Před rokem +351

    I would legit watch a series of you doing mock trials about classical literature against other lawyer friends of yours. theres some good stuff in greek tragedy and Shakespeare that would be solid 5-10 minute episodes

    • @chrishubbard64
      @chrishubbard64 Před rokem +23

      Or grimm fairy tales. Hansel and Gretel Vs Witch. Can she charge the kids for eating her house when she built the house specifically to lure in kids?

    • @alalalala57
      @alalalala57 Před rokem +1

      @@chrishubbard64 Hahaha

    • @joachimschoder
      @joachimschoder Před rokem +3

      Hamlet alone could fill a season of content.

    • @lokidokey7586
      @lokidokey7586 Před rokem +1

      Get some modern legal takes on The Decameron. Surely the 14th century's take on romance will hold up swimmingly.

    • @XmanB1
      @XmanB1 Před rokem

      goldilocks could work

  • @kasa9884
    @kasa9884 Před rokem +38

    That fact that Devon did mock trial for all those years makes him so much endearing to me, than he already was! I was the science fair nerd-- and now I am a public health professional and biomedical biologist. I took a health law course at my graduate school's law school, so I had like a semester of law school life...Lol! I would love to do a health law/ public health law segment with him one day. -Krissy

  • @TheBoondocksaint117
    @TheBoondocksaint117 Před rokem +11

    In my high school, we did a mock trial for Macbeth. I was a prosecutor, but I also didn't actually read the play. I went off of context clues in the trial and the general understanding I had of the story from just knowing pop culture and still ended up winning.

  • @gingergoddess8953
    @gingergoddess8953 Před rokem +174

    Now I definitely want a Legal Literature series. I'd be curious to see him go through the trials in To Kill a Mockingbird, Les Miserables, Notre Dame de Paris, and The Crucible. He could also talk about the legalities and the blurry lines of fanfiction, because it'd tie in pretty well to both the legal and the lit side.

    • @agodlessmonstrosity
      @agodlessmonstrosity Před rokem +11

      Hell I'd settle for Real Lawyers react to To Kill A Mockingbird

    • @FullForce098
      @FullForce098 Před rokem

      Justice is swift in the Court of Miracles, I am the lawyers and and judge all in one! We like to get the trial over with quickly because it's the sentence that's really the fun!

    • @sirius1ish
      @sirius1ish Před rokem

      He's already,done a react,to that i think

  • @ultimatemacchia
    @ultimatemacchia Před rokem +8

    I mean in the story the Queen turns into an old lady to give Snow White the poisoned apple, so how can you prove that it's the same person or even that the old lady ever met the Queen?

  • @vizoredchris
    @vizoredchris Před rokem +25

    I would totally watch CZcams lawyers conducting mock trials based off of literature

  • @gr6e
    @gr6e Před rokem +30

    1:28 I saw a defendant show up to court wearing a tank top with the bud light logo plastered all over it. The judge absolutely went off on him about how inappropriate it was. The guy's excuse was that he had no other clean clothes. Judge basically told him that if he has to choose between a beer shirt and a normal shirt that might smell a little bad up close, to never choose the beer shirt.

  • @robo1000
    @robo1000 Před rokem +227

    You know how you get out of jury duty? It worked for me successfully four different times. What you do is you act really excited and happy to be there and interested in everything. They hate it.

    • @bonita1228
      @bonita1228 Před rokem +27

      If everyone is entitled to a jury of his peers then we all need to serve. If people of working age get excused then that leaves retired senior citizens hearing your case. For those reasons I don’t try to get out of jury duty at all.

    • @flamingsickle
      @flamingsickle Před rokem +41

      @@bonita1228 Not everyone person of working age can afford jury duty, though, at least in the States (not sure how other countries do it). Most really can’t. What good is $20 a day going to do someone who has to take off work for potentially weeks if a trial runs long? That’s enough for lunch and maybe parking. Sure, jobs can’t fire you for it, but they don’t have to pay you for it, either.

    • @JonJahren
      @JonJahren Před rokem +10

      Can't you just mention jury nullification and get thrown out pretty much immediately?

    • @agentchaos9332
      @agentchaos9332 Před rokem +8

      Only 2% of cases go to trial, and the average trial length is 6-8 hours, over 1-2 days This hypothetical where you're missing weeks of work is Incredibly rare. There's more then enough people to fill Juries without destroying someone's livelihood

    • @matterixon
      @matterixon Před rokem +1

      I just said I moved, worked for me every time so far

  • @thrawncaedusl717
    @thrawncaedusl717 Před rokem +23

    I think my defense for the queen would be demanding the prosecution explain how an apple could put a woman in a coma that a kiss would wake her from. Go after the fundamental “facts” of the case and prove that they don’t make sense.

    • @TheQuietTyper
      @TheQuietTyper Před rokem +14

      Yes. Also, how did they know she was the one who gave Snow White the apple in the first place if she was supposedly in the shape of an old woman? Also, the story says that Snow White lost her parents at an early age, that means the Queen was ruling the country and the only one in the way of Snow White and the Prince taking the throne. It would be awfully convenient if the Queen was convicted of murder. At the very least it would weaken her base of support among the nobles, which is key for a monarch to rule, especially a woman who married into the royal family and has been ruling on her own for years.

  • @Detahramet
    @Detahramet Před rokem +132

    As an aside, I would absolutely love a legal analysis of mythologies, especially if the standard of the time.
    Especially Roman myths, because the Roman legal system was just absolutely bonkers, and partly based off how physically far away you were from the victim. Shooting someone with an arrow was a lesser crime than stabbing them with a knife, is was absolutely insane.

    • @KumaoftheForest
      @KumaoftheForest Před rokem +1

      The AMOUNT of hard R cases that would happen 😩

    • @jy3n2
      @jy3n2 Před rokem +4

      "Gentlemen of the jury, the woman accusing my client of trying to poison her is a slooty sloot who sloots a lot. The defense rests." - Cicero, Pro Caelio, summarized.

    • @katieblade7083
      @katieblade7083 Před rokem

      I prefer Greek personally

    • @peterobinson3678
      @peterobinson3678 Před rokem +2

      I'm listening to an audiobook called 'A fatal thing happened on th way to the Forum'. It's about murder in the Roman Era. Sort of.
      Because 'Murder' wasn't really even a concept for most of Roman times. It was property crime, at best. (Rich). No crime at all at worst. (slave/son / woman)
      Highly recommended.

    • @adam.maqavoy
      @adam.maqavoy Před rokem

      @@katieblade7083 *Old Nostalgy, Huh?* 6:42-7:05

  • @WhatShouldMyArtistNameBe

    Ok thank goodness there's a part 2. I noticed how short the video was when they finished the snow white trial and I was like no youre missing the best part.

  • @amwfan88
    @amwfan88 Před rokem +150

    The discussion about court-appropriate clothing reminded me of a murder trial I covered as a reporter once. The defense called up a witness who, I kid you not, was wearing a Folsom Prison t-shirt. Why the defense attorney didn't make him flip the shirt inside-out or pull a button-up out of storage, I have no idea. The jury took only two hours to convict the defendant.

    • @sarahbellee.bradburn8760
      @sarahbellee.bradburn8760 Před rokem +19

      In competitive dance & ballet we had an ‘in case you forgot kit.’ I think that’d be crucial for public defenders & layers of all forms alike. Could prevent a catastrophe.

    • @C4103
      @C4103 Před rokem +26

      Wearing a jersey that you stole to court is one thing, but its really stupid that wearing casual clothes could affect the outcome of a trial. It's pretty horrifying to hear a real lawyer say "it's not supposed to effect your trial, but it does." The idea is that you look like you're not taking the trial seriously I guess, but neither is the judge if that affects their decision in any way.

    • @alalalala57
      @alalalala57 Před rokem +8

      @@C4103 The pettiness of society makes any true justice unfeasible.

    • @johndoecook
      @johndoecook Před rokem +2

      @@C4103 Eh, a lot of people still live by the code, "If you dress like you don't care, what does that say about you." Civil or criminal, court should be one of those things you always dress up for

    • @aaronmccullers384
      @aaronmccullers384 Před rokem +10

      @@johndoecook Real problem is with people who can't afford the clothes, cases are already inheritly expensive so adding this cost is just straight up unfair to those who are living pay check to pay check.

  • @basicindiebro
    @basicindiebro Před rokem +195

    My two favorite things: LegalEagle and Bob’s Burgers, for a crossover. I love it!

    • @gingergoddess8953
      @gingergoddess8953 Před rokem +2

      At least he didn't combine the two to title the video "Eagle Burgers"

    • @OneShot_G
      @OneShot_G Před rokem +1

      Love the profile pic

    • @basicindiebro
      @basicindiebro Před rokem

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  • @Team_BaM
    @Team_BaM Před rokem +3

    4:24 "Just say something 'Mmmm' Nailed it"
    That was adorable. Thanks guys, you made my day.

  • @dracoargentum9783
    @dracoargentum9783 Před rokem +4

    I definitely enjoy this laid back style of banter.

  • @cambiata
    @cambiata Před rokem +82

    OMG you reminded me of a mock trial we did in classics in college. We did Oedipus and I was on the defense, but the prosecutors made a hell of a case to the point I remember it to this day: they pointed out that Oedipus's opening crime was murder due to road rage. And at the end of it I was like, "yeah you know, they have a point." Oedipus wasn't some poor bastard hit by chance, he was a murderer who only killed someone because he got mad at the other guy's driving. If he just hadn't have done that he woulda been fine.

    • @meeeka
      @meeeka Před rokem +1

      He killed his father to marry his mother.

    • @cambiata
      @cambiata Před rokem +8

      @@meeeka right but he didn't know who those people were at the time. The thing he *knew* he was doing was a road rage murder.

    • @cambiata
      @cambiata Před rokem +4

      @@meeeka The basic question for the mock trial was whether someone could be considered guilty for doing something they didn't know they were doing - for example, is Oedipus guilty of the crime of incest under the relevant statutes of his nation? To that question I would definitely say "no", because he had no idea that he had married his mother. By the same token, if there were some enhancement penalty under law for killing one's own father, would Oedipus qualify for that enhancement? Again I would say no, because he had no idea that the man he killed was his father. The crime he did commit with full knowledge and understanding was the crime of murdering a stranger (probably more than one, because the king is likely to have had a driver) due to road rage.

    • @dlo111
      @dlo111 Před rokem +1

      That is a brilliant way of looking at it.

    • @tygokoren3085
      @tygokoren3085 Před rokem +2

      I was Oedipus' defense as well I got him off the hook for everything. Because he did not kill his father out of free will, he was destined to do so when he was an infant and destiny can't be escaped. Therefore he did not commit murder. The rest is a lot easier.

  • @bushbasher85
    @bushbasher85 Před rokem +24

    Bob’s Burgers is probably in my top three favorite shows of all time. I love that legal eagle is doing this show now.

  • @HzizsVynryn
    @HzizsVynryn Před rokem +2

    The editing on this was incredible! Great job!

  • @TheBluePhenom
    @TheBluePhenom Před rokem +16

    Now I want to see Legal Eagle and other legal professionals review their own mock trial experiences. Preferably with video if it can be found in discovery

  • @giveaquestion9683
    @giveaquestion9683 Před rokem +45

    Legal case for the queen: diplomatic immunity. Also, she seems to be an absolute monarch so no court would have the authority to put her on trial.

    • @lilymarinovic1644
      @lilymarinovic1644 Před rokem

      Cos that argument worked brilliantly for Mary Queen of Scots and Charles I. If people are even putting a monarch on trial usually they have already considered and dismissed the idea of immunity

    • @umusuuk
      @umusuuk Před rokem +1

      yeah, I mean did she knowingly cause the death of another person, yes? is there a law that says the queen can't do that?

    • @straightupanarg6226
      @straightupanarg6226 Před rokem +3

      @@umusuuk Absolute monarchs are above the law (which is what the "absolute" part means) and can cause the death of any person they like with impunity.

    • @22espec
      @22espec Před rokem +1

      She is not an absolute monarch, the Good King was the absolut monarch, she is onlyin the throne until Snowahite is old enough to take control.

    • @HenryLoenwind
      @HenryLoenwind Před rokem +3

      @@straightupanarg6226 My understanding is that the crime happened in the land of the dwarves and not the lands the queen ruled. This indeed would bring diplomatic immunity into play. On the other hand, there is the legal theory that every monarch rules over all the lands, their rule only is impeded by the border fortifications of other nations.

  • @laurasweightlossjourney
    @laurasweightlossjourney Před rokem +21

    I did mock trial, I was Goldie locks and the judge sentenced me to bring him oatmeal for the next 20 years. The judge was actually the same judge who married my parents.

    • @TimParker-Chambers
      @TimParker-Chambers Před rokem +1

      Twenty years for three bowls of porridge?? (And I guess breaking and entering...) Surely a fine, and a couple hundred hours of Community Service, would have been more fitting for such minor crimes... It's not as if you/Goldilocks trashed their home... 🙈🙈🙈🙈

  • @KingNexusMOCs
    @KingNexusMOCs Před rokem +2

    I really love this collab. Great job, you guys

  • @HenryGK
    @HenryGK Před rokem +12

    Speaking of classical law, it would be great to see you do a video on the trials of Cicero. A modern take on Pro Milone would be amazing, because the defence is "He did do it, but the victim had it coming".

  • @nathanielgreer2764
    @nathanielgreer2764 Před rokem +100

    Please consider doing a video on Miranda Vs Arizona. It is such an important case that has had such a significant impact on our country and very few people know anything about it.

    • @tparadox88
      @tparadox88 Před rokem +5

      Yet another bedrock ruling that's just been gutted.

    • @austinhernandez2716
      @austinhernandez2716 Před rokem +2

      Yeah but now it's gone thanks to Trump supporters

    • @DaVinci-vj7ku
      @DaVinci-vj7ku Před rokem +2

      Please educate me, I don’t know what that is (I’m not from the US)

    • @nathanielgreer2764
      @nathanielgreer2764 Před rokem +5

      @@DaVinci-vj7ku have you ever seen an American crime movie or television show where a criminal is being arrested and the police officers says to them “You have the right to remain silent….”? Those are Miranda Rights or a Miranda Warning. Miranda Vs Arizona is the case that established the legal requirement for police to notify a person of their rights when placing them under arrest.

    • @DaVinci-vj7ku
      @DaVinci-vj7ku Před rokem +2

      @@nathanielgreer2764 oh, right, ok thanks, sounds pretty important

  • @johnnyli4702
    @johnnyli4702 Před rokem +21

    "If you're directing a witness, basically all you have to say is, 'and what happened next?'"
    Imagine a rookie prosecutor getting brain fart in the first second of questioning and their first question is, "and then what happened next?"

    • @tconlon251
      @tconlon251 Před rokem

      1 hour later: “Then you asked me that question just now.”

  • @888meenbeeby
    @888meenbeeby Před rokem +2

    This is so great! You both together AND Bob’s burger
    - legal magic 😂

  • @brandonhb2054
    @brandonhb2054 Před rokem +3

    I am absolutely here for collabs between you and Law By Mike. Two excellent legal content creators.

  • @insomniapetals4424
    @insomniapetals4424 Před rokem +52

    I also loved mock trials, then in high school we moved to Anchorage, Alaska and what they had was waaaaay better. They took the "jury of your peers" thing to the extreme. They actually had the Anchorage Youth Court. Where juvenile cases that actually went to court (misdemeanors, not felonies) were tried by "attorneys" who were in high school, "judges" who were seniors in high school or undergrads, jurors were made up of students taken from middle schools and high schools depending on the age of the defendants. I started participating as a juror while I took classes to prepare for the "bar exam" and eventually became a prosecuting attorney. Participants were from ages 12 to 21. There were age and participation requirements for every level. Of course, everything was overseen by actual, adult lawyers and judges and whatnot, but it was amazing to really get involved in the process. I have no idea if it's still a thing, as this was 30 years ago, but I loved every minute of it.

    • @themadtortois1737
      @themadtortois1737 Před rokem +7

      It’s still a thing and still going strong. I didn’t realize it was such an old thing tho.

    • @insomniapetals4424
      @insomniapetals4424 Před rokem +5

      @@themadtortois1737 Well, I started participating when I was 15 and continued until I joined the Army at 18, and that (sigh) was 30 years ago... Oh gods below I am so so old... 😑😄
      I'm glad it is still going. I really really enjoyed it. I learned so much and I truly felt like I was participating in making the city a better place.

    • @davidb6576
      @davidb6576 Před rokem +1

      @@insomniapetals4424 You're still just a kid! When you can say 60 years ago (not 30) , then you can sigh. If you have the lung capacity for it...

    • @insomniapetals4424
      @insomniapetals4424 Před rokem +2

      @@davidb6576 Considering I've been smoking since I was 16,I probably won't! Lol

    • @AKcondor
      @AKcondor Před rokem

      Damn, I graduated from Eagle River High a few years back and I have never heard of it but I would have loved to participate.

  • @elliebellie3852
    @elliebellie3852 Před rokem +8

    Louise's "I did it, yea" is one of my favorite lines in the show.

  • @affinityxs
    @affinityxs Před rokem +1

    i really think both you and law by mike collaborate well together, it's good to see the both of you having takes on the issue and also having a sense of humour throughout the video

  • @woodencoyote4372
    @woodencoyote4372 Před rokem +7

    I would love a series on trials of famous historical or literary characters. I got excited when you started going into Antigone.

  • @Trumpeter667
    @Trumpeter667 Před rokem +131

    Love this Collab! And would love seeing some “Legal Antiquities” - perhaps covering the legal process of Salem in Arthur Miller’s “The Crucible”? Provide an explanation on the McCarthyism and Red Scare that inspired Miller to write the play from a legal perspective?

  • @89Crono
    @89Crono Před rokem +70

    I also did a mock trial of Antigone in English class. My defense blew the prosecution out of the water.

    • @DaoFAQ
      @DaoFAQ Před rokem +8

      Was it basically that Antigone was abiding by divinely prescribed familial obligations and the Olympians’ authority supersedes Creon’s decree?

    • @89Crono
      @89Crono Před rokem +12

      @@DaoFAQ Partially. It was a one two punch of all of the above plus the precedent ramifications that Greek armies had a general cultural agreement to allow the dead to be buried and leaving them unburried could lead to damaging relations in the future as well as ghostly justice from beyond the grave. It's hard to argue with zombies

    • @kilomillensimus9379
      @kilomillensimus9379 Před rokem +5

      @@89Crono You sly boots, you knew the Trojan War and the blasphemies of Achilles were coming. Pretty good though!

  • @theemeraldking3251
    @theemeraldking3251 Před rokem

    I really hope to see more collabs, These are amazing!

  • @marcusjay8103
    @marcusjay8103 Před rokem +2

    The end discussion had me laughing so damn hard!
    Hearing you discuss it and making logical arguments over things like her title/name etc 😂😂😂😂

  • @Blackage2
    @Blackage2 Před rokem +47

    Now I want to see a Mock Trial of youtube lawyers defending something ridiculous.

    • @scotthamrick8993
      @scotthamrick8993 Před rokem +1

      Dude you beat me to it! Who you got? I think law by Mike would destroy.

    • @KumaoftheForest
      @KumaoftheForest Před rokem

      I wanna see Legaleagle try and defend Ohmwrecker in court against H20Delirious

  • @festes81
    @festes81 Před rokem +17

    I asked for this one in comments a while back. So happy to see you've picked this scene!

  • @compulsoryevacuationdevice

    That zoom in on Mike's face when Devin was talking about the greek play,LMAO

  • @elizabethb7931
    @elizabethb7931 Před rokem +7

    My brother got off easier than the other young guys that day (who were also there charged with stupidity and recklessness) bc he was the ONLY one in a suit
    (He also fully acknowledged that he was guilty and not making great choices in life at that time and had really screwed up here, but he was also seeking help and he'd really appreciate the opportunity to try to make better choices moving forward. So he just got probation and a suspended license)

  • @alexvankeulen7171
    @alexvankeulen7171 Před rokem +31

    Nice to know that my innocence doesn't matter in court if I'm not dressed to the judges satisfaction...

    • @C.L.190
      @C.L.190 Před rokem +7

      To be fair, if you have half a brain, you're gonna be respectful to the court. You don't walk in looking like you don't give AF. That's like mouthing off to a cop, it's just ignorant, and counter productive.

    • @thrawncaedusl717
      @thrawncaedusl717 Před rokem +18

      @@C.L.190 or it means you don’t have money and/or connections to get a good suit. This form of prejudice is completely unacceptable.

    • @agentchaos9332
      @agentchaos9332 Před rokem

      " don't have the money or connection to get a good suit"
      Dude stfu, go to goodwill and buy a button up shirt for 5 bucks. Sometimes they have sports coats there too. Compared to the cost of a ticket, hiring a lawyer, probation fees if you get convicted, hell the Gas to get yourself to court is more expensive then a secondhand dress shirt. If you can afford ya phone bill to be on zoom ya lazy ass can afford business casual clothes. You don't need designer brands, you just shouldn't be wearing sweats and a t-shirt

    • @agentchaos9332
      @agentchaos9332 Před rokem +8

      Cash Bail is REAL discrimination, the court dress code is just common courtesy and you making excuses

    • @1366Erik
      @1366Erik Před rokem +2

      @@thrawncaedusl717 Yeah, I don't think you need to be in a suit by any means. Just look clean and look like you actually put in effort.

  • @Blackmuseops
    @Blackmuseops Před rokem +28

    I was actually really interested in Antigone's trial.
    It's a treason charge btw

  • @lordofuzkulak8308
    @lordofuzkulak8308 Před rokem +30

    I’m not sure using the Mirror as part of an insanity plea would be a good move, considering it legitimately is a magic talking mirror and thus could be called as a witness to disprove her insanity claim. And even if you disallow it as a witness due to being an inanimate object rather than a living person, surely it could be used as a piece of evidence just like security cam footage?

    • @elizabethsmith3374
      @elizabethsmith3374 Před rokem

      Not if it didn't record the conversation

    • @louisduarte8763
      @louisduarte8763 Před rokem +1

      If only the queen claims to hear what the mirror says, and nobody else, that could lean toward the "Yeah, she nuts" case.

    • @Jemini4228
      @Jemini4228 Před rokem +4

      It would be an interesting twist if the mirror was just a normal mirror and it's speech was just a hallucination based on the queen's own insecurities.

  • @andyklapper8484
    @andyklapper8484 Před rokem +1

    My wife and I started watching The Lincoln Lawyer on Netflix. I'd love to hear your take on the show, especially since he occasionally describes the legal process to his driver.

  • @KarynHill
    @KarynHill Před rokem +75

    I would totally watch a trial of Antigone. Her "sentence" was far harsher than it should have been, and may not even have been found guilty in the first place. And I definitely shouldn't be on the jury! 😁

    • @mireiaortega4936
      @mireiaortega4936 Před rokem +5

      Playing a bit of the evil's advocate here, while Antigone was moved by filial (and sisterly) piety and by the moral need to give her brother a proper burial, Creon's ban was necessary to keep the peace at Thebes. Those were harsh times just after a civil war and there had to be no mistake as of the terrible fate that awaited those who would try to fight again the established power again. Also, those who aligned themselves with the winning side resent all the bloodshed and would react badly to any attempt at forgiveness towards the losers. Hence the law forbidding the burial of Polynices.
      The point of Sofocles' play is just this opposition between the laws of the gods, universal and moved by morality, and the laws of the men, sometimes harsh but necessary to keep peace and prosperity. Creon knows that his sentence is harsh but he can't back down or he risks another civil war. That's what makes it tragic, because as an individual Antigone is pure goodness but her actions put the city's peace and wellness at risk, and she can't be spared because the price to pay would be too high.

    • @KarynHill
      @KarynHill Před rokem +4

      @@mireiaortega4936 I do get that but it's a ridiculous punishment for an understandable "crime." It was an immoral edict and Antigone had moral and deeply religious reasons for (technically) burying her brother. Creon was rash throughout, never really thinking through his decisions. And Eteocles had illegally defied the agreed-upon transition over to Polynices, who at that time was the legitimate ruler.
      I've never discussed the play with anyone else. Even if you disagree (and I expect you will), thanks for discussing it with me!

  • @Andy-vz8mx
    @Andy-vz8mx Před rokem +19

    I loved reading Antigone in Greek. It was super cool talking about how the story was more nuanced and the conflict less obvious than my High School teachers presented it.

  • @WhatShouldMyArtistNameBe

    I've been waiting so long for this!

  • @GreenVibezIguanaDaddy

    2 if my favorite people. Love the episodes you guys do together! Keep up the good work!

  • @williamedge5130
    @williamedge5130 Před rokem +6

    I don’t know about suits with shorts, but I know for a while in West Africa (particularly Nigeria) suits with short sleeves were pretty fashionable

    • @lilymarinovic1644
      @lilymarinovic1644 Před rokem +1

      And in Australia- doubtless a lot better in the middle of a stinking hot summer

  • @Amy-fd9xp
    @Amy-fd9xp Před rokem +4

    I think you have to try on a short sleeve suit and short pants just for the meme of how cursed that combo is

  • @leonthethird7494
    @leonthethird7494 Před rokem

    I am glad you mentioned antigone as we went through that play this year in English class

  • @KayleeFarnes
    @KayleeFarnes Před rokem +1

    I adore Bob's Burgers! This isn't my favorite episode, but still so happy to see you reacting too the show.

  • @psoma_brufd
    @psoma_brufd Před rokem +6

    Amazing, been waiting on a full length crossover body since the announcement, two great online lawyer personalities teaming up for Bob's Burgers! What's not to love?

  • @rominamartinez5544
    @rominamartinez5544 Před rokem +8

    I need a recreation of the trial with both of you, the military lawyer as the judge and the doctor as juror 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @anastasiahughes6948
    @anastasiahughes6948 Před rokem

    I was actually in a high school production of Antigone! So I was stoked to hear them bring it up

  • @EmperorSztoid
    @EmperorSztoid Před rokem +2

    I loving the editors sense of humor. Those add-ins are cracking me up!

  • @TheLocomono9
    @TheLocomono9 Před rokem +5

    I would 100% watch you explain old plays with or without legal applications

  • @joelschooler6949
    @joelschooler6949 Před rokem +17

    Would love to see legal antiquities

  • @TheTanatola
    @TheTanatola Před rokem

    now i SUPER WANT a mock trial of a classic work, especially funny if with modern standards of law

  • @SailorYue
    @SailorYue Před rokem

    There's an old episode of family matters with a trial accusing one of the kids from blowing up the science lab. One of my faves

  • @DoctorCrescentMoon
    @DoctorCrescentMoon Před rokem +11

    Law by Mike looks like what a cartoon lawyer would look like

    • @antonnurwald5700
      @antonnurwald5700 Před rokem +5

      And Legal Eagle doesn't??? I think they really both do.

    • @DoctorCrescentMoon
      @DoctorCrescentMoon Před rokem +5

      @@antonnurwald5700 Legal Eagle looks like one of those Advisers in City building games

    • @egg_bun_
      @egg_bun_ Před rokem +2

      @@DoctorCrescentMoon OMG YES LMAO

  • @tahraethestoryteller6079
    @tahraethestoryteller6079 Před rokem +17

    Also someone putting questionable relationships on trial like Snow White and Prince Charming or Jacob/Bella or Edward/Bella would make a better mock trial in terms of education than the crimes of fairy tales
    Since all the fairy tales are black and white

    • @tressonkaru7410
      @tressonkaru7410 Před rokem +3

      What about lit red riding hood? Three stories. Who is telling the truth? 🕵️‍♂️

    • @TimParker-Chambers
      @TimParker-Chambers Před rokem

      And Eric and Ariel: Ariel's age was clearly stated at the beginning of the film - Eric was a jail-baiter... 🙈🙈🙈🙈🤢🤢🤢🤢

  • @discordlexia2429
    @discordlexia2429 Před rokem +6

    Words cannot describe how much I want Leagle to review an Ace Attorney case. My pick would be the first game's finale, the one with (the invincible) Mannfred von Karma. I'm dying to see how he'd react to the cross-examination of the you-know-what.

  • @leny9047
    @leny9047 Před rokem

    My advanced English class went over that as a case study, moral vs legal obligations of society etc. It was 10th grade i loved it!

  • @ZonieMusic
    @ZonieMusic Před rokem +13

    Love both the collab and brilliant editing!

  • @orel2109
    @orel2109 Před rokem +6

    This collab is legendary. I hope to see more of you two together in the future!

  • @tomroberts2135
    @tomroberts2135 Před rokem

    funniest one in a long time - nice job! And wow - to remember specifics from Antigone? I read that play, too - it's Greek or something.

  • @user-cy9vd7rl4h
    @user-cy9vd7rl4h Před rokem

    2:27 I was fishing salad out of my teeth and reaching for a Hawaiian roll when I barely noticed the blurred background pop up behind the couch as it went away. Tapped rewind and had a good chuckle. Thanks, nerd!

  • @Singeferno
    @Singeferno Před rokem +13

    It most likely would have been on whether or not Antigone burying her brother was a violation of the law.

  • @Chocolavacakeloco
    @Chocolavacakeloco Před rokem +5

    omg I love this collab!!

  • @skinwalker3953
    @skinwalker3953 Před rokem

    Whoever edited this video is a *boss* !!
    This was a visual delight !

  • @ifind_Ubuy
    @ifind_Ubuy Před rokem +2

    He loves being a lawyer so much that he knows the history..... RESPECT

  • @joewilson3393
    @joewilson3393 Před rokem +5

    5:20 I mean, the biggest issue with making jokes in court is delivery. If you have ever told a joke when everyone is being super serious and not ready to laugh you know how completely flat they can fall. And often the mindset can take a joke people would have found funny and make it something they react negatively to.

  • @amirailyas2930
    @amirailyas2930 Před rokem +3

    I really enjoyed this! I'd love to see you react to law dramas/tv shows of other countries (perhaps in collaboration with lawyer-youtubers from there) to discuss the difference in law systems. If you ever do this with Australian law dramas, I'd love to see you react to Janet King!

  • @groofay
    @groofay Před rokem +1

    Two lawyers putting various characters from old classic plays on trial sounds like the synopsis of a modernist play. That could be fun to see.

  • @caidalee1994
    @caidalee1994 Před rokem +19

    I actually love the story of Antigone! The story of a woman defying everything and risking death to do what she believed was right for a person she loved, especially when the wrong is to only to spite the dead, is always beautiful to me. The story will randomly pop into my mind every once in a while, always met with a “hell yeah, now what’re you gonna do King Creon? Wipe the dust off his body? Too late, he’s already resting!” So punk, lol

  • @PandoraLockhart
    @PandoraLockhart Před rokem +4

    We did the same case in my English class for Antigone!

  • @karelfinn2343
    @karelfinn2343 Před rokem +7

    I read Antigone in college, so I actually found that part of the discussion interesting. I will agree that it's somewhat niche, though.

  • @jenniferlawrence2988
    @jenniferlawrence2988 Před rokem

    I loved speech and debate and mock trial in school! Good memories 😁

  • @quinton1661
    @quinton1661 Před rokem +1

    I did a mock trial of "The Three Little Pigs". Since there is "The True Story of the Three Little Pigs" from the Wolf's perspective, it worked out great. We found the poor wolf not guilty of anything except having a cold. Poor guy.

  • @benjaminwells5388
    @benjaminwells5388 Před rokem +16

    You laugh, but I'd watch you legal eagle all over some old plays.

  • @vonriel1822
    @vonriel1822 Před rokem +3

    I did do a mock trial, though it was part of a history class. I was on the jury for the case against Lee Harvey Oswald.
    All I remember is that, despite there clearly being nothing else on the schedule for the rest of the semester, a couple of the other kids refused to do anything but hang the jury in order to draw out deliberation as long as possible because they didn't want to go back to class. As a result, we had to sit in the classroom doing nothing for like two weeks dealing with these idiots while the rest of the class got to actually hang out and, I dunno, watch movies and stuff.

  • @zeekaywalker9232
    @zeekaywalker9232 Před rokem

    I can already see the ad:
    Eagle Mike's lawful short shorts!
    Shorts that are short, but not to short that you can't wear them to court.

  • @OdysseusPI
    @OdysseusPI Před rokem +1

    I am totally on board with the Greek Tragedy focus! Studied the original, and two modern adaptions in my undergraduate!

  • @corvidaecorvus9446
    @corvidaecorvus9446 Před rokem +20

    Honestly, I'd love to hear if there's any weird cases involving human remains. I work in a mortuary, and it's not uncommon to have a body sit for a while cause the families are fighting over what to have done and the next of kin is contentious.

    • @aggiesanvil
      @aggiesanvil Před rokem +7

      We need a Legal Eagle and Ask a Mortician collaboration!

    • @LordSStorm
      @LordSStorm Před rokem +3

      Ask a Mortician covers a few.

    • @esta7763
      @esta7763 Před rokem +1

      What's the longest you've seen a cadaver sit while people fight over what gets done to it?

    • @corvidaecorvus9446
      @corvidaecorvus9446 Před rokem

      @@esta7763 All states have provisions for limiting how long a decedent may sit, for public health reasons, and mine doesn't actually have a hard set limit on the books. But all state/local governments will eventually step in and force the decedent to be cremated. The one that came to mind was one where it was ex-wife and kids (cremation) vs. current wife (burial). I think we were approaching 75-ish days before the gov stepped in and told us to cremate. And last I heard, the cremains (ashes) are still there, almost a year later.
      So in short, for my state, the gov starts getting spicy about decedents around sixty days.

  • @leona.mayorgaarnaiz1085
    @leona.mayorgaarnaiz1085 Před rokem +5

    Honestly I'd be down for a law & history channel

  • @jamesmalin1489
    @jamesmalin1489 Před rokem

    So funny. I just watched this episode and thought "I would love it if Devin did this one!" Here it is!

  • @alexduarte7
    @alexduarte7 Před rokem

    I subscribed to both of you before you guys started doing videos together, this so cool.