Macklemore ON: How To OVERCOME ADDICTION & Master Your Darkness For SUCCESS | Jay Shetty
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Macklemore is a multi-Platinum and Grammy award-winning artist, who's made history with a combination of commercial success, critical acclaim, and international appeal with a total of 12.8 billion combined streams to date. He is one of the most successful independent artists of the 21st century and he's consistently used his art and platform to raise awareness around issues of addiction and recovery.
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What We Discuss:
00:00 Intro
02:32 Why is it important to cut out the noise when there is a constant narrative of who you should be?
04:50 Despite the success, it’s easy to fall into the trap of addiction while being plagued with fear.
09:13 Addiction is like an allergy and this is the reason why.
11:50 It came down to choosing between life and death, and a choice had to be made.
16:43 Service is a pillar in the recovery community.
22:30 The darkness is always there and it can creep at you anytime.
28:28 When you mistake the numbness you feel as peace and then find a more sustainable way to experience inner peace.
31:46 Macklemore shares what it felt during his near death experiences.
34:45 Sometimes a supportive partner is all you need to pull yourself out of the rut.
44:38 Rediscover who you are as a person and different ways to accomplish this.
50:09 How do we ‘normally’ size people up or gauge success?
51:16 Think Out Loud - how Jay started how mission to make wisdom go viral
57:17 Macklemore answers the question, “How would you define success now?”
01:03:07 Authentic art cannot be manufactured because you can’t fake authenticity.
01:12:25 Setting goals to help change yourself and lead a better path in life.
01:17:58 Ben on Final Five
"The disease of addiction leads you to isolation" - Macklemore
That was powerful for me, thank you
I’m in recovery for 6 years and Macklemore explains addiction so well! Listen if your an addict or know someone who is❤❤❤
Congratulations! Sobriety is freedom.
Congratulations 🙌🏻 I’m 8 years in myself and not a day goes by that I’m not so incredibly grateful to have found Freedom and a New Way Of Living! We Do Recover
I started my journey to recovery in 1989 and still wanted to do what I want. It was on Apr.19 1991 when I was at my lowest that I was willing to listen to what they were telling me I need to do to get this. I enjoy being sober more than anything today, I don't wake up with no regrates or guilty feelings and I don't let my emotion that was mostly about my childhood control me. I was always angry and bitter and drugs and alcohol was a means to suppress those feeling, I wish him the best on this journey one day at a time, and remain Grateful at all times.
Really related to this episode of addiction! It Had me crying and tearing up at work! What Ben was saying is so true , the feelings emotions, numbness, self hatred etc. haven’t had a drink in 7 months, it’ll be a year in August . it’s so true sometimes the addiction talks to you like “one drink, one shot won’t hurt”, but as soon as i take that fake drink or shot in my head , my mind already wants another and then another, and that’s how sometimes i keep myself in check. I also talk to my partner about it, because like you he said you feel like you have to be secretive, not knowing if someone is going to accuse you of drinking or blame you instead of truly helping! But i would love to join a community or have a person to go to about it who has been through it as well and can check in with me, bc not that my partner doesn’t care as deeply as i do, but it’s nice to have someone who truly understand what you’ve been through bc of similar experiences. Anyways all of your podcasts are great, but this one hit home for me! ❤️
Ben could talk to me all day long.
Thank you for helping me better understand addiction in our community. I became open to the idea of becoming a foster parent because of your music as an introduction to adults who need help. I can't help the adults with what's hurting them but I can help care for their children while they get better. I am holding my foster baby today, five years after attending a Macklemore concert at the Dallas House of Blues and thinking through the people we will lose if we write off people struggling through addiction. It has helped me choose to see the whole person, not just label the parent of a substance abused infant an addict and assume everything about them.
Hi Jay, no idea if you will see this, but it would be so inspiring and thoughtful if you would want to see to get Nils Van Der Poel on the show, he won two golds in speed skating at the latest Olympics, gave away his gold medal for a bigger purpose and has now retired. He just has an amazing view of life and with a such bigger meaning, especially as an athlete. Keep going with the show, and thank you for the work and energy you are giving. All love
For my 10+ years I’ve listened to Mack, this is the best interview I’ve watched.. I’ve learned more about his personality in this hour because of the questions you asked and maybe because of the timing in his life! Brilliant stuff 🤞🏼
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I accidentally played this podcast on the way to work (had On Purpose on my recently played) and I’m soooo glad I was able to hear this on my way to work (1hr drive). I cannot thank you enough for this interview! Such genuine conversation, advice and experiences! ❤️
That’s what I do as well
Service can become a new addiction. An escape from those we are responsible for. There is a lot of Pastors, sponsors etc who serve others at expense of their loved ones
You bring up an important point about the potential downside of service and helping others. While serving others can be a fulfilling and meaningful activity, it's important to ensure that we're not neglecting our responsibilities to our loved ones in the process.
It's essential to find a balance between our commitments to others and our commitments to those closest to us. It's important to communicate openly and honestly with our loved ones about our commitments and responsibilities, and to ensure that we're meeting their needs as well.
If we find ourselves using service as a means of escaping from our responsibilities, it's important to take a step back and reassess our priorities. We can still serve and help others while ensuring that we're meeting our responsibilities to our loved ones as well.
Good luck!
@@AnnTsungMD I would rather be private success than public one. I no longer make that mistake. Mainly because the root of why I did what I did has been healed. I put a lot of effort in to partner with God and face my past and present shortcomings.
A valid point. While serving others can be a fulfilling and rewarding experience, it's important to maintain a balance and not let it become an unhealthy addiction or escape from our responsibilities to our loved ones. It's important to prioritize our relationships and make sure that we are meeting our responsibilities to those who depend on us. This can be challenging, especially for pastors and sponsors who may feel a strong sense of duty to their congregation or those they are sponsoring, but it's important to remember that we can't effectively serve others if we are neglecting our own well-being and relationships. So, it's crucial to find a healthy balance between serving others and fulfilling our responsibilities to our loved ones.
I’m so glad to hear celebrities open up about who they really are. His service to all of us for showing his vulnerability contributes in a mighty way into this world!
By far the best interview I’ve seen in a while. It helped me so much! Ben, you did an act of service just by doing this interview! Thank you!
I know thats right!
Thanks for having Ben on, Jay! I have always been a Mack fan and as a 35 year old who first went to rehab at 17…his music has spent many nights on replay. He has always been authentic and open about that. I’m the female version and for over a decade your music and interviews have helped me. Knowing who I am through God has helped tremendously too! Oh, I’ve been waiting for album since last year!! Just saying, lol. But hey, I’m an 80’s baby too. So happy you and your wife are together still and she gave you tough (and unconditional) love so you can continue to be of service. Thank you so much!!!
*"...the spiritual undertone...moving throughout India..."* ~ Macklemore
Love the way he phrased that, so beautiful and soothing just hearing it put that way
Wow!! All I can say is Macklemore knows the language of the heart!!!
I feel like I've been in a very honest, open and loving meeting.
I understood every single word he said although I'm not an artist, I am a human having a spiritual experience!!
ODAT❤️
And Macklemore is correct Seattle Washington is the most glorious place on Earth in the summertime!!!!🥰😘
This man has made some incredible music and a lot of people don’t know that. I wish him the best because it feels like he’s a good man and he has helped a lot of people.
I love this one... It's so true that we live in a society where we forget the benefits of the acts of service 🙏 it's been on my mind for a few months now... I'm trying to find a way to help in this world the best I could and this podcast inspired me to make that a priority. Thanks for sharing
Truly enjoyed listening to Ben’s journey, so honest & transparent. I loved what he said about being a creative and creating your art from intention. Needed to hear that 🙏🏽 also, love that he also hates the algorithm 🤣
This was an amazing interview. I didn't know Ben before today, but his expression around addiction and his struggles was moving. This episode is being saved 'Listen Again'.
One of the best and inspiring podcasts ever. You have done the work and are continuing to do it, to live in the altruistic plane. Congrats and keep it going
This is such an important and consequential conversation. Thank you both so much for sharing. This helped me uncover some of my own emotional steps that lead to isolation and addiction.
Ben (and Jay) …. This was a great chat… thank you for sharing! I have the same random feelings of depression so hearing you both share your same experiences is so helpful.
The description of India is so in point. I’ve been blessed with my job to travel all over the world but I never felt a vibration like India. It’s hard to put into words
OMGOSH!!!!!what an absolute fantastic honest open account on addiction. So resonating .. Thank you both so much !!! God bless
I was talking to my friend yesterday and most of it was discussed with him. He is stuck in addictions and i know how to control him for better.
It's just that once you develop such a strong understanding you can very easily destroy that person or help him.I wish him not to encounter destruction.I really get goose bumps bcz all that you both said,not less than 80 percent i have repeatedly said this to myself in my head and shared with hundreds on the street.
They will definitely reciprocate
It's almost easier when you're working towards success without fear of failure than it is to try and maintain success. I like that he accepts that the people who are meant to engage in your art will and that's all that matters. How do you keep listening to hear your calling? It's so hard to keep your calling from being corrupted by what others want your art to be
That's a great point! The fear of failure can often hold us back from taking risks and pursuing our goals, but once we achieve success, there can be pressure to maintain that level of success and fear of losing it. However, it's important to remember that failure is a natural part of the learning process, and it's often through our failures that we grow and improve. So, whether we're working towards success or trying to maintain it, it's important to approach our goals with a growth mindset and embrace the learning opportunities that come with both success and failure.
God bless you Macklemore & Jay. Thank you for an authentic conversation. I am inspired to focus on my purpose without unnecessary societal noise.
I started crying as I listened to this I currently struggle with it today … I hate it in tired of using and hurting people around be
I honestly have to say that I did not expect so much life wisdom from Ben, it's amazing. Folks who question the world in a healthy way and try to make things better. The vultures who compromise for money and ego are just weak and gross.
What a great interview! I have never heard of bens music but wow I learned so much from his failures and achievements. This was good. I need to hear his art. ❤
I am responsible When anyone, anywhere reaches out for help, i want the hand of AA always to be there, And for that im responsible............ Thank you Ben for Sharing and the meeting . Love ya Kid
Just one more comment on the middle of so many but I just have to share. Thank you 🙏 I’m not in a bad spot at this moment but I recently lost a sister to suicide. It’s been very hard. From your talk I could relate this to a lot of stuff that happen to my sister. It helped me even to rethink the all situation. Hope you do your path the best way possible. I’m with you man. Thank you
Yessssss!! “Work on myself so I CAN give my best!!”” ❤❤
We're witnessing one of the deepest therapy sessions I've ever seen documented -- I'm experiencing both of their povs and its all sorts of energy and ideas building upon eachother in the name of guiding Macklemore and all the rest of us watching needing this deep spiritual nourishment 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 so much vulnerability and development before our eyes.
I'm appreciative and connect w this.
4th level of intentions all the way, Baby!
Woah honestly my favourite interview to date on this podcast
"The car is dented and needs to be fixed, I am not dented"
"4 levels of intention"
It's nice to see the humanity and humility among celebrities. It gives me hope for humanity
I do not do drugs, but the negative internal voice is spot on with my depression and anxiety in the past.
Nothing worked at "curing" my dark internal dialog.
I had to hit rock bottom and be receptive for God to open my eyes.
Working on my mental health and choosing to truly follow Jesus has cleared up majority of my deep depression!
Now I have normal bouts of sadness every so often that I feel, learn from, and move on from quicker.
I hope everyone can heal and find what sets you free.
God bless.
What stays: know which opinions you take in and which you let go off (related to Selena's podcast) and be empathic to others and accept where they are, be honest to myself and seperate my abilities from who I am, so what I achieve or do(n't) doesn't define my worth.
I struggle with my mental healthy, with choicing, living in a world that is not made for us, with climate change anxiety, with physical problems, with acceptance and with balance, with perfectionism, overeating, a lot of youtube watching instead of doing things (which is actually physically unhealthy, but mentally this kind of videos are good).
I'm overall very anxious (I think a bit more than average because I have autism spectrum syndrome). And I'm turning 24 this year and I feel live goes too fast and I don't feel 23 at all.
I hope I helped someone to feel less alone by sharing my story, so it's not only a benefit for myself. Have a nice day!😊❤
In my recovery program I was taught to keep my recovery first. Anything I put before my recovery I will lose. Acceptance willingness honesty and to be transparent. It sounds easy but it takes work. Hang in there. ❤️
Love this! While Ben was talking about ideas, honesty, being authentic, and not thinking about other people, his first drink turned into a rattlesnake.. I could just hear the lyrics of his song going through my head. amazing! Thank you both for it! And when I first heard Chant. I listen to it almost every morning! Much love.
Just AH-MAZING GUYS… this is just right on the money… I’ve been dealing with addictions and personality flaws and depression for a long time from opioids… this is just wonderful, it seriously helped me understand a lot about my self … thank you so very much. Just WOW
I’ve listened to this podcast several times and would fall asleep. I realized I needed to listen to it! Wow!!! I’m watching this on CZcams and listened to it twice. Now I’m taking notes!!!
Jay and Ben, thank you!!!!! I really really needed this content!!!💙🦋💯
Otherside and starting over resinate with me so much. Being an addict myself I put them on when I’m feeling at my lowest. They help me get thru the hard times. I was just told I’m about to loose my job and I almost went into spiral because of it. I was so worried about being able to support my family and couldn’t get rid of the thoughts in my mind. I’m currently trying to get off Suboxone and struggling. Just trying to take it a day at a time. Thank you for this interview a lot of what you said resonates with me.
You’ll never see this Jay, but this podcast episode was life changing and I needed this today. Thanks for helping me get thru ❤
@No Worries who ever you are there is recovery. I never thought that I would be an addict or an alcoholic but I am. I was in active addiction for years. I'm now in recovery. It was GOD doing for me what I couldn't do for myself. Make that call or go reach out. Some one will help you. If you can't find that person to help you go to the Dr or emergency room. Some body will help you. I pray that you reach out today. ❤️❤️❤️
27:15 how Jay explains sad thoughts is amazing, comparing it to the weather.
Theses so much to takeaway from this episode. Ben mentions how he hopes that his music has impacted people. I actually have “excavate” tattooed on my arm because that song helped pull me out of some dark depression and it reminds me to cling to it in times of darkness just like Ben talked about in this episode.
I can feel the pressure on his shoulders and I just want to support him. Listen to his latest work and hear the art that hes made ✨
I enjoyed listening to you both. Thoughtful men listening, giving each other space to honestly share without interruption. I love Ben’s willingness to be vulnerable, honest, interesting and lob back some excellent questions. Thank you both for putting in the effort to have and share this conversation ❤️
I recently learned those waves of depression is me feeling others internal emotions. I've been working on my energy field, building are stronger wall is a daily practice. Nonetheless, it's working. Also, waving my arms, lol, to cut any cords trying to attatch.
Sending everyone here a vision to see and build up their field. xoxo.
I just have to say… I HAVE so much respect for BOTH Jay and Ben. Could listen all day to either of them. I just wish that Ben had more opportunity so speak. It feels like Jay is taking snippets from Ben and going off on them and validating them. As an 'interviewer' (which is Jay's role here) you shouldn't get lost, or influence the interviewee to your narrative. Its great you're both on the same page.
But I certainly speak for myself (and maybe others) that I enjoy your podcasts, but most of your podcasts I enjoy the best are of people I know- and the questions you let THEM answer.
But, thanks anyway, We're all on a journey, nothing is universally right or wrong, hey.
42:16, when jay that it made me think of Macklemores song called Staring Over with the line that goes: “If I don't talk about it then I carry a date”
From the bottom of my heart thank you jay shetty for being a huge part of helping me heal my heart💔💙
I really loved hearing him talking about how insidious addiction is, because that’s exactly what it is. I’ve been clean for almost 5 years and it still likes to poke its head and tell me things every time I’m being self seeking, self centered or blatantly selfish and that is why self will is so scary. Loved this podcast and I just adore Macklemore! ❤
Man Macklemore and Mike Posner have very similar views and stories. Loved both their episodes and probably why I connect with both their music catalogs.
Powerful and important content 🧡 good to know were not alone with these rollercoaster emotions of life 🔮
Jay , I can listen your voice days & days. You have a beautiful speaking voice . Adore your channel. Love from London, West Hampstead nw6 😊😊😊
Ben is such an authentic, charismatic, talented person. I'm always rooting for him to succeed! ❤
The lack of empathy has created such an emotional disconnect. Addiction is very much isolation and shame. You hit the nail on the head we don't share and shouldn't assume we all have the same internal dialogue.
Kudos on Macklemore linking his legacy w gift of gab..... I'll look him and his work up now.
15:08 I can’t relate to the drugz but the message of service and accountability are solid 💯
Wowwww. I'm watching and really praying for OUR recovery. Macklemore strongly resembles my ex-husband/babydadday (she's 20) who died from this disease. I'm a friend of Bill W., Jimmy K.,etc. and I really hear the sunlight of the Spirit in what he's sharing. The Fellowshipping, comittment and help us Spiritual beings navigate this human experience. Peace and love to all.
Great Chat. I had no idea he struggled with addiction. Thank you for the honest chat about it.
I think Ben would really like Dr. Amen. He has really helped me.
Amazing interview. The 1.5 hours flew by. A lot of the issues covered especially the addiction and creativity really resonated! Thank you both for sharing your stories. ❤
Got to see Ben in a completely different point of view and I will definitely be hearing his music from a more understanding perspective 🫶🏽🥺❤️
The issue can absolutely be the algorithm. Sometimes, you don’t show up on my feed for days and I have to search for you to show back up. ❤
Hi Jay, I’m your new subscriber and I watched your all previous video but I didn’t find brand Pitt interview.. please if you can interview with brand Pitt in next show , so I’ll be very thankful to you 🙏🏻🙏🏻
The thinking or thought processes is well defined and meant for all.
Love both these men so incredibly much
A sincere conversation to learn more from! Keep up the good work Jay! 🎉
Jay, you are a blessing to the world
Never heard of Jay Shetty or Micklemore (my sister sent me the link) but i really enjoyed the interview. Micklemore has the lowdown on 12 step recovery... But... Life or death.... and no meditation!!! Step 11... Pages 84-88. Spiritual program of action. Daily program. Can't rest on our laurels ... Well I can't afford to anyway. Stay well. Great communication
Jay Shetty you need to interview Tamaira Sandifer aka Miss Tee. She’s like the next Tyler Perry. Up and coming genius who is changing the trajectory of the entertainment business.
Jay, mack, thank you both. And mack thank you especially for holding up the mirror for me and allowing me to see myself 🙏🙏
What an amazing pair of men. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode and wasn’t ready for it to end. There were too many great moments of inspiration and insight for me to pick one. Thank you. Love you Ben, love you Jay!
I’ve been waiting for this ❤
Thank you both 🙏🏼
Another thing that will stay with me would be Jay's smart questions to get the most out of the other person AS IF HE ALREADY KNEW THE ANSWERS BUT JIST WANTED TO HEAR IT FOR VALIDATION OF TRUTH
It's a very profund conversation. I loved it. I needed to hear that
This is one of my favourite episodes so far. Genuinely impressed
What a great podcast, and this episode blew my mind xxx
So grateful for this amazing conversation! What I will take with me from this, is the thought of being aware from which place my art comes from.
I have attempted to meditate many times in my life and prior to this CD the only success I've experienced is with live guided meditation. czcams.com/users/postUgkxzpa8CIfZcihW4Z0F_ja0QF3W9KIatrsq This is the first CD I've used that cuts through my unmedicated ADHD and enables me to truly relax and experience a quiet and energizing interval. The instructors voice is very soothing and pleasant to listen to. I am easily able to sit successfully through the entire CD, and for quite some time after. I cannot adequately express how tremendously helpful this CD has been on my spiritual journey!! Two thumbs up and 10 stars!
Felt every part of this episode! Thank you for sharing your recovery journey!❤️
1:00:55 the example that Jay Shetty gave really happened to me!!!!!!
Thank you for this podcast episode. Macklemore is a class act. I have so respect for him ❤️
Never understood why I have depression so often until my grown daughter pointed that it is adhd. There are awesome things I can accomplish/figure out, my mind is always going but my body doesn’t produce dopamine on the regular like most people. So when I don’t take my meds I go right back to being pulled down to depression. On my meds it’s weird to know how people normally feel…not depressed, just normal. I really don’t like taking meds. I eat super healthy, exercise, journal, self care, even have learned how to get my mind to shut down to allow me to sleep and am a glass half full kind of person. I wish I could find something to raise my dopamine levels without meds. Im exhausted but determined to figure it out. I know it’s out there….Do you know anyone that has concurred this without meds?
I love you Macklemore ❤ Keep coming back!
Lyrical hip hop is a wise and compassionate human's treasure trove.
Your story lets me know there’s hope Ben.
Every truth spoken about Addiction to Self inadequacy.
Thank you for this❤
I like Macklemore’s music a lot but it seems like his ENTIRE life is sobriety. It’s the only thing I’ve ever heard him talk about. Dare I say he’s addicted to recovery. Would love to see another side of him some time
Great interview jay,I got alot of insight from this conversation thank you!! Do me a favor and get Rick Rubin on honestly it would change lives! Also Eric Rachmany from rebelution! Both are very influential!! Thank Jay! We love u man
Dear brother Jay 😀🙂 it was not bad the beginning of the podcast 👍was another news. You know your intro was soo great 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
jay sir please can you do more podcast on monk and spiritual based. If you could, thank you to you
Super inspiring episode. Particularly enjoyed the importance of separating yourself from your success and not getting caught up in the chase, and finding fulfillment in the Now.
I’m your fan.always listening your podcast making this habit while on work🙂🙂🙂.
Love that sweater Jay. You're a juicy bright 🌞 sun.
Thank you so much for this one 💗it's healing
Thank U and big hugs from Poland 💛🤗
It's still easy to be thinking about self❤️
Only few words can tell you that he has had somewhat similar suffer/ journey of addiction
Really enjoyed listening to him speak; very well articulated and profound words ❤ one of my fave vids 👍🏽