Macklemore: How You Can Overcome Your Darkest Days & Hardest Battles!
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- In this new episode Steven sits down with the American rapper and songwriter Macklemore.
Topics:
0:00 Intro
02:05 What’s inspired you to become this person sat in-front of me
08:17 Your journey with addiction
25:10 How has your struggle played into the music
33:30 Your most important record
42:46 Your relationship with social media
45:45 Advice for your younger self
50:03 The people that you hurt
59:20 What gets you out of bed today?
01:02:57 Are you happy now?
01:05:43 Your new album
01:09:59 The last guest’s question
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Macklemore is an incredible inspiration and story communicator. Think you’ll enjoy this one!
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Please show the video "dopamine vs serotonin, 7 key differences" by Fitmind to this show guest.
Another awesome show SB! FYI I have excellent table manners... Unless we're talking any kind of finger food, then I'm an absolute animal 😊
I subscribed ages ago. Love this podcast. Do the dinners include Australia? Would love to join x
Yasss come to New Zealand !!
Also which is the episode with your business partner ?
I came here after listening to Macklemore's "Hind's Hall" and just fell in love with him all over again.
Same here! Respect and admiration for this human being ❤
watched this last year before the genocide has gotten bigger in Palestine and thought this is just some typical celebrity wanting to clear their image with sounding like a guru. Now, I'm back listening to it and oh how was I wrong!!! Massive respect to this courageous man of real values, who can speak up against hatred and unjustice without stuttering.
He is the kind of celebrities we need to support and learn from instead of preaching some deaf molded barbies/kens..
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Wow I get it now. The depths that Hinds Hall came from. It will never replace the impact of your previous songs, but is without a doubt your most impactful song. It strenghtens us all and it has and will change the world. Thank you for being you and showing your heart to the world.
Love Macklemore so much. The only celebrity out there with a backone. #Freepalestine
man i wish i had this podcast when i was younger, i used to look at these big celebs and think wow they've got such perfect lives and wish i could be like them, realizing they too go through struggles would of helped me a lot back in those days to stop looking at what others have and be grateful for what i have.
Agree 100%
Agreed
I’ve noticed that rich and famous people struggle with mental health & drug abuse the most. We have lost so many celebrities due to substance abuse.
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wow wow man you are so talented calm interview host with a substance of questions to your interviewee to lend us time with humans who grew and went through tuff situations no piss farting around with jibber jabber you are gifted thanks Adelaide south australia
Warning, this is the longest most personal comment I have ever posted🥳 Steven, What a wonderful podcast. Macklemore, all I hope that you will get from this comment is.... Your Dad has way more tools to have that conversation than you give him credit for. My Dad died in 2013 at 74. Out of all the kids in the later years. He and I gelled together best, I was his caregiver. And we are a lot alike. When I was 40ish. My Dad sat at the end of the kitchen table and he apologized to me about the time he gave me my first and only spanking for not coming home from the neighbor's house after they had called and called...I may have been 12. He was a blue-collar worker, Alpha male, provider, but a great Daddy. As he was telling me that story he had tears in his eyes. He had carried that guilt for three decades....I said Dad.....it sounds like it was a well-deserved spanking. But I dont remember it. AT ALL. He said really??? And I said NO, so put that away, no more feeling bad about that. And who knows maybe it kept me from becoming an out-of-control teenage girl. His face took on a peace I cant explain.
Sometimes we need words of affirmation from our parents and sometimes they need it from us. He died knowing that I thought he hung the moon. His last words on his deathbed to me were all about taking care of Mama....he didn't remember that he left money for her he told me where some quarters were in a coffee can if we hit hard times. And I told him ...Dad you were such a good worker in the last years you saved a lot of money for Mama...he said ...I did??? And I said yes. Mama is going to be just fine you did right by her and all us kids. I saw that same peace come over his face. Once again he needed confirmation/affirmation.....but because he had terrible lung cancer that spread to his brain he thought we were destitute.
By the way Mama has now passed too and I have that coffee can full of quarters and will forever. Point is... talk to your Dad... he is carrying guilt...I guarantee it. Who knows how long any of us have...but for all of us. life is nearing to an end...he should not have to carry that if you have forgiven him. And I know you wouldn't want him to. Much love young man, sounds like you are doing great things. 🙏 We may be old but give us some credit here.....we have the tools. 🥰
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Amazing comment, what an amazing daughter you were to do that! As a dad myself I can’t imagine hearing that from my children, I can’t imagine the joy it would bring me. You and your dad are both lucky to have had each other. RIP to your parents x
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@@krisb-travel Thank you, for your lovely comment. I dont regret a moment of taking care of them. They get all the respect for being parents who had a Seventh grade education, because they had to work the fields. But raising 4 kids and we all turned out good....even through the 80's and 90's. 🥳
You're very lucky to have had a parent who feels guilty for possibly hurting you
Ben speaks from a place of serenity and clarity that leaves no doubt that what he relates is absolutely true, and not wrapped up in a cloak of image-creation. Truly inspiring indeed.
Thank you for remembering those of us that are still sick and suffering from addiction. Thank you for giving us the hope of a life that is happy joyous and free.
Hearing him speak his truth makes me respect him SOOO MUCH MORE than I already did, so much love for this man 🙏 I can relate to his struggle.
I'm running late and I shouldn't be commenting but I can't not.
I am so impressed by this man. I too am in recovery, free of that monkey on my back for 38 years. I did at least three meetings a week for 10 years. Everything Macklemore says is absolutely gospel. And the humility with which he says it is so commendable.
Props, kudos and whatever else you young people say.
What
@@santander6317 Christianity was never about religion.
Souls get forgiven and saved for real.
Sous go down to hell, paying for their sins for themselves for real.
Christ came to set an example how to live for real and He died for all of our sins for real.
Rapture - real life even soon to take place.
Tribulation (Jacob's trouble) - real life event - soon to take place.
Real GOD and His real promises:
1.)Outwardly peace
2.) wisdom and understanding about heavenly thinks
3.) providing food and clothing, expecting souls to seek out His Kingdom.
4.) Protection against every weapons which shall be formed against us.
5.) Free gift = eternal life.
What spot about Christianity seems religious?
GOD is real, humans are real, earth is real. etc.
Logic says, what`s real, means reality.
The facts about religions :
1 = all are lies/ false ways to heaven.
2 = all origin from masons.
Now try with religions.
What religion promises real thinks?
My cousin is 13 months clean after 24yrs of addiction..... one hell of a journey for us all.👍
To be honest I’d never heard of this young eloquent man. He speaks with a depth & learning from experience’s. You don’t know what you don’t know until you’ve been through what you don’t know, life! I know not of his journey but I was very touched by its humanity Steven. Great job
Never heard of Macklemore prior to this. My brother struggles with addiction. I love him so I struggle too. I have been with him on his journey through his life filled with drugs, booze, violence and pain this last 40 years. I don't want him to suffer anymore.
You have given me insight into what my brother's motivation might be. Thanks for your message of hope. All the best 😊
Amen🥰
From a former addict, 9 years clean - this resonated so hard! Great interview, great music and art but above all, great human! ❤
Great interview. Ben is so humble and that's why I think most of us enjoyed the interview.
Stephen is so great, never came across someone that holds so much space for the guests to express their inner most sacred thoughts. I love it, because you get to hear the guest in such a vulnerable state, but then also Stephen's response is so well formulated and soft. Thank you!
He is absolutely amazing indeed
I know that people don’t like it when Steven talks about himself in these videos. But honestly this is a conversation, this is what makes it so much more enjoyable to listen to. I feel like I am in the room listening to two people having a genuine insightful conversation. Great stuff
Steven, I admire your interview skills so much. You give the guest space, time, patience and empathy. Thank you for another incredible one.
Lotsa love ❤
lovely comment. where r u ?
I had no idea what he went through, there is so much pain in his story but also as he speaks, it sounds as if he is rapping already, such an amazing talent. I am greatly happy he found himself again.Thank you for this episode
I literally thought the same thing, him talking reminds me of him rapping in his song it's incredible
I feel like I just watched him give his AA lead…
*applause*
“Thanks for sharing!”
*serenity prayer*
…a million chairs screeching lol
I should start going back to meetings lol
Haven't even watched the interview but I love hearing Mack speak! Thank you for having him on. He's helped out so many people with his message, can't wait
Oooooo this conversation was life. Favourite take away “Authenticity confuses people, conformity fits.” & “Detach from the outcome. Just make it coz you love it dude.” Thank you 🙏🏽 so much for this
This is one of the most introspective interviews I've heard in a long time. The beauty of this interview wasn't "look at how great I am" - it made me look inward and realize the possibility of healing and greatness within me. So deeply thankful for this interview.
I'm a chronic alcoholic, got diagnosed by the time I was 18 (no slow descent), have had over decade-long sobriety and also shorter periods sprinkled with relapse. Tried so so hard so many ways to be normal. So have given that "why" question a lot of thought most of my life.
Macklemore gave the most accurate answer I've ever heard, and I worked in the addiction treatment field for 10 years, met a lot of well educated professionals. Everyone always wants to find an event, a trauma, a bad childhood or chemical imbalance to blame. Those things may trigger reaching for it to begin with, but the compulsion happens in the absence of all of those as well.
I have always said I was born an addict. I'm 68 now. Yes, it was drugs but I get addicted to everything I do. I never do a little of anything life offers. I do the max. It's great if it's a good thing, but it wasn't always. I'm clean today, except for methadone, for 18 years. That has been unbreakable because Drs think withdraw is the same as other opiates. It isn't. My young addiction caused hepc all the way through to liver transplant. Dr's and many people don't understand addict and think all you need is will power. Not so. But life is good. I'm alive.
People really really don't understand, even when they have their own struggles with food or sex or whatever! That's why it's so important we connect with each other, so thanks for your response. I see you❤️. Doctors always underestimate withdrawals. I came off antidepressants 9 months ago (I was on them 8 years) and am still getting some withdrawal symptoms. Psych had said here's a 2 week titer you should be good in a month. HA
Yah and if you have liver damage, and or brain damage, any auto immune/ inflammatory condition, if your brain is hardcore wired to function with a certain drug, it takes a huge amount of time to get right again! Psych industry and habit management have us all by the tits. Some Drs care but are misinformed, some have figured it out but just don't care cuz $$ before people. It's depressing. We need to support one another. 🤗
This was WAY better than I expected. I didn't realize Macklemore had so much to offer. Thank you for this content!
You know what I really love about listening to Steven and his guest, it’s the vulnerability that we are all human and we all go through some things and sometimes hearing someone talking about their struggles and how they pushed through helps us push through. Thank you Steven and everyone let’s keep being kind and extend grace to one another ❤
“We’re only as sick as our secrets”. This!!! Macklemore thank you for showing up and sharing your vulnerability and wisdom ♥️♥️
Steven, probably one of your best episodes yet!!! Thank you..🙏🏻❤
These CEO videos are just incredible ❤
❤ Ben Macklemore you’re truth is 🙌🏼🔥👌🔥Diary of a CEO thank you for having him!!!
What a blessing you are Steven for men and women who are willing to be raw, open, honest, confront the truth of whatever addiction/challenges they are experiencing.
This is a podcast that needs to be shared, talk about, watch, listen to, and be a great blueprint for all shows out there.
The world needs authentic storytelling, conversations, and true connection that brings transformation and long-lasting change.
We’re ready to move past the symptoms of our suffering and finally feel free to feel joy, love, acceptance, celebration, and abundance.
Life is beautiful when we trust the process, allow creativity to come through us by feeling our pain.
I’m freakin’ grateful for mine brought me back to healing the pain I buried for decades and didn’t even know I was numbing it because I thought I was the only one struggling. That’s a painful thing to go through for any child/teenager and then affect us in our adulthood.
Blessings everyone and know that we’re all in this together.❤
Always be gentle because the artist is a child.❤
Such a beautiful person, been through his struggles like all of us and I just love his openness about his life. Opening up for anyone is hard but at the same time very admirable 🙏🏻
This is a remarkably uplifting interview. Macklemore's intrinsic revelations and self explorations will be a great help to millions who not only have addictions but think they need to hide them.
Hello to you both
I remember dancing with my kids in the kitchen to this gentleman's music. Thankyou for the happy thought/memory tethered to your music.😀
Will most definitely have a wee listen to your new album, and will continue dancing with my new dance partner my amazing baby Granddaughter.
Appreciate this shared discussion, from my role as both a Mum of now adult children who have had similar experience. And as a Mental Health Addiction Nurse of nearly two decades.
Just want to share the fact that my daughter twenty two years beautiful has battled hard over passing years as a wee troubled kid and at times as a young lady. With self damaging behaviours including self harm and alcoholism.
She very nearly lost her beautiful life having had a near fatal bicycle accident mid January of this year.
Sure as her Mum I was daft enough, maybe even willfully blind to think this would be a new chapter for her, new clear path to recovery, wellbeing certainty all encompassing health.
Sure she was alcohol free on discharge from hospital. I WANTED my daughter to grow a different life out of this near LOSS experience, caused by alcohol and her subsequent accident. However this bliss was sadly short lived. My daughter has very recently returned to alcohol and I'm scared for her a wee big bit. But think, can only hope if nothing else that it's NOT too late and all is not lost! But even I was devastated for a wee minute or two on knowing she had returned to this pattern of almost self destruction in so many ways. However grateful for my daughter and our open and honest wee family relationship, if you like.
Addiction needs more resource!
After thirteen years of Addiction nursing I know our current provision for this vulnerable patient group is poor and NOT working.
People including my daughter currently find 'I can only imagine' their substance of Addiction more powerful to combat ever over their own life and other risks of loss at times. So much more to say, but so much more needs doing to change it, too.
I really am grateful for your shared work.
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Incredible interview! I didn’t know he was an addict. Thank you for giving us a glimpse into your life Ben and thank you @Steven for giving him the space to do so.
czcams.com/video/lPFgd98pDKI/video.html a great recovery song of his
Totally relate to the conversation about your dad. I had the best childhood ever, my parents were a great team and gave me everything. However they weren’t very emotionally available and I struggle to open up to them about a lot of things. They were very much about ‘keeping up appearances.’ No parent is perfect and it’s weighing up the good with the bad. Hoping the the new generation of parents (my generation I’m 32) can open up and be a sounding board more for their kids 🤞🏻 so so important. Having awkward conversations help us grow!
I had not heard of this musician but what a profound interview! He speaks with such humility, insight, depth, understanding and authenticity , and so eloquently ….!! What a precious soul! ❤✨🌱🌿🤍
So grateful people from all ealks of life come on here and share their lives with us. So SO grateful. Forever learning.Thank you. ❤
“Take pain and repurpose it into purpose”. I just wrote that down for my board of quotes. I needed to hear that today. Thank you!! Macklemore’s music continues to save my life. One addict to another. One day at a time. Beautiful thank you!! ❤
So beautiful I too and in recovery . this was such a great comment on a great interview💯💋💜💙💜
Honest people are so refreshing xxx
Knowing that generational differences is huge. You are spot on that we, today, deal with so much differently than they did then. And yes, people do the best with what they have and know.
Well spoken and love the raw transparency. You have as much grace for others that you received from others. Great episode.
This is a man who is comes across incredibly sincere. One of my favorites. God bless
Ben is such an inspiration. A man to look up to. So sincere and open about his struggles. Amazing interview, thanks Steven
I literally found this after searching otherside.
Thats what I needed to hear this is why I'm here..
❤I've missed you thank you both for this totally honest interview 😢
1:07:52 this is so sad and true, because think of all the art that is never expressed due to the fear of being "out of character".
Was just about to watch "I'm a Celeb - South Africa" and checked CZcams and saw you were talking to Macklemore and "I'm a Celeb needs to wait!" Great interview
Macklemore's songs always hit straight to the heart. They're also quite emotional on varying levels.
His songs have been on my Playlist since he came out. He clearly comes across as an awesome human being.
Macklemore’s ability to speak so openly and honestly about his journey is truly inspiring. He speaks with the truth, presence of mind in such a humble and authentic way.
I don’t know much of his music but after listening to this ☝🏼 I’m going through it all. Such a wonderful interview and such a wise man 😍
The more I see these types of videos the more I understand that many entrepreneurs have a strong tendency towards addiction. Many say its an escape from their own mind. Many people that have ADHD self medicate to quieten their minds. Those with ADHD have brilliant ideas and can literally achieve anything but my god its intense inside the brain.
I saw Ben in Birmingham (most probably the show he did before the interview) he's exactly like this in his concerts, so real. If you have the ability to go, highly recommend 🙌🏻🙌🏻
my absolute favorite and inspiring artist/HUMAN BEING and the best podcaster/HUMAN BEING to collab and produce a great podcast has made my week 🙏🏻
The best guest you’ve ever had on DOAC in my opinion 😊 I listened to every single word. thank you so much for interviewing Macklemore- he is a true inspiration Xx
His talking voice 🥹 I could listen to him talking forever
Thank you for this amazing episode!
In all honesty this is an enlightening interview in terms of personal growth and overcoming personal battles. Macklemore is a real life superhuman. His music is a perfect translation of his personality. Thanks for this meaningful talk 👏
This interview is so enlightening. I've always enjoyed his creativity. I have really enjoyed listening to his account of his spiritual growth. The world will be a more forgiving and connected place if we listened to more similar experiences. 💚
This is a raw and truthful conversation.
Very deep conversation ❤ loved it!! Feels like Sloane’s soul was “talking” to Ben hence he stopped using. What a story 💫
This is easily my favourite episode you've done. The Insights on being a creative, the struggle w/ duality and addiction, expression of struggles and experience, relationship of spirituality and art. Beautiful.
What a great podcast! And I went to Wembley at that same day to see him 🎉 feel even more grateful
He'll never read this, but eff I am so grateful to him for this interview. It's set me off on a whole new way of thinking about the shite I'm currently in the middle of, and given me some roads I might turn down to get out. What an incredibly honest and vulnerable interview from an artist I admire very much. Thank you. Thank you.
At 57 years old and having a couple people in my life with addiction this really resonated with me. My thanks to the guest and host on having a great conversation that covered each side of the discussion. As far as having the conversation with your dad's, you should. I am hopeful that they will surprise you with their insight but even if they are not receptive you can know you tried to connect.
The collaboration i didn't know I needed. l've been inspired by this man's story ever since I heard it, thank you for bringing it to more people. He communicates so well it's always a joy to listen to him speak too
Thank you Steven.
This among your other videos i’ve listened to, has been inspiring yes, but as a ‘young’ older person very reassuring. The depth of character and emotional intelligence shown gives me hope for the world to come. Thank you for the incredible range of personalities and your very skilful interviewing style, bringing out the very best in these podcast.👏🏽👏🏽🙏🏼
BEST EPISODE IN A LONG TIME! 🎉 thank you For sharing your story ❤️
Holy sh¡t! Didn't think I could love Mack any more than I already do. Thanks for this amazing guest Steven, as always!💯🧡😎👌
Whata great guest, and interview! I really like this channel and its approaches. We need more reality checks!
Listening along to this with goosebumps.. such honesty and clarity about addiction.. I worked the 12 step program and still working it today and my life has never been better… alcohol filled a void and helped me escape myself for so many years until it stopped working. I’m so lucky I found my surrender and the actual weight that was lifted from my shoulders that I never knew I was carrying was a miracle in itself. We do not chose a life of addiction, using is a symptom of our malady and when/if we stop we have to relearn how to live life on life’s terms and learn to love ourselves.. service, unity, recovery.. peace my brother. 🙏🏻❤️
I absolutely love this! So wonderful to hear him speak, he is so real.
This interview was great, watched every one of your podcasts but this has been one of my favourites ❤
I grew up in a family that had alcohol addiction, and I stayed away from alcohol so I would not have that battle. While growing up I went to Al-Anon and surprisingly when I went with a friend to his AA, I learned so much more. Sitting there and listening to the person with the addiction speak openly was very enlightening and helpful. I went back several times and I was worried people would think I had a problem or I would judge them. I let that worry go because I really wanted to understand and I decided what others think of me is less important than improving my quality of life.
So many people will find truth in what Ben talks about here. I for one can count enough to use all my fingers. I must say that finding out that you are having a child is a junction in life and the road you take from there on is monumental. It's not that at that point you may not want the child, it's that you don't want the child to have you as a parent in your current phase of your life. I learnt a lot about myself today. TY
This interview is incredible. I was living in Minneapolis the first time I heard the song" thrift store". I listened to the pop hits and wrote him off as just another big hit. I know I'm going to fully dive into his music. I have been dealing with addiction wether others or my own. You are encouraging and showing your transparency and of vulnerability that I find admirable. Thank you❤
Incredible interview as I knew it would be as soon as I saw it had been uploaded!!! Absolutely love his honesty.
This interview is everything! So calm and soothing + great communication skills really can keep it going without instigating in any drama just blunt
This brought me to tears, really needed to hear it. 😭Such a great dude. 💗
Incredible interview. Once again, this one will be shared and listened to repeatedly. I lost a loved one to his addiction.
I heard his one song thrift store and thought he is the coolest happiest singer, didn't know the sad side. But you taught me so much about struggle and authenticity. I love you man. Thanks
The nucleur family is so vital...God Bless Ben.
Thank you. I recognised myself in what Ben said. I am an addict of a different sort - and listening to his story made me cry. I first went to an AA meeting on a cruise ship out of curiosity. My life changed as a result. The honesty, vulnerability and welcome that was there was so touching. When Ben described "the pull", it felt so true to me. 12 step fellowships are absolutely amazing - the best.
Steven, I am loving all your interviews whoever they are with. Thank you. I am learning so much. I really liked the theme about authenticity at the end - doing what we like, what inspires us is the best way to live life.
Good to hear the mention of Al-Anon - another brilliant 12 step fellowship - a lifeline and support to people in very difficult circumstances.
Absolutely brilliant podcast.
Thank you both so very much.
Incredible!
So glad to have found this interview. Thank you.
Wow! Two great people coming together to deliver.
Need to re-watch a few times to take it all in, thank you both.
Amazing softness and vulnerability by both of these human in this episode. Being present to his fans was amazing to hear his awareness of that when meeting them
Ben, thank you for being here, for your journey, for the steps you have taken on your path. You show us how we can all make the world a better place.
that was amazing .. like a lot of people I guess I discovered him with 'Thrift Shop' and didn't imagine the depth and variety of emotions I'd feel listening to his music over the years .. such a great interview as always, you bring out the best in your guests & get such a great connection with them, it feels like a chat, an interview, a therapy session, all in one, I'm in awe.
Thrift shop was quite suversive. There were artists that did not want to collaborate with him on it because it was below them. It made people that don't afford expensive clothing seem fun and cool at a time where all the rappers and singers were covered in luxury items.
dude was on top and used that moment to pull others up...break stupid "taboos", changed the world. Head high Ben.
came here after listening to his new album. just fabulous! so glad this popped onto my feed. thank you gentlemen. this has been a pleasure and it has helped me a lot. i am a new subscriber. looking forward to watching the other interviews. blessings to all.
Another phenomenal interview! 👏 This content is valuable for anyone dealing with addiction...and although the path won't be easy, there is hope with realization. Macklemore has my respect.
He is so inspiring. Be your own true self. What can I do for others? I'm so glad that he broke free from addiction.
Beautiful honesty from Macklemore, no bs, profound and direct.
I've loved Macklemore's music for years - but him showing up like this, of course, makes me love him even more. Steven, I'll echo what everyone is saying on the comments (and, from what you say in this interview, you really read them! hehehe) you're an amazing interviewer. Don't ever lose this contemplative silence you have as it allows for so much more than words. It fills the space with so much more and allows the person that is being interviewed to really go deep. Your questions are great, and your relatability is not forced or intrusive.
One of my favourite DOACEO episodes so far. Good questions, and Ben laid himself bare
Thank you thank you thank you. Also, I love how it sounded like you were rapping acapella or doing spoken word while you were speaking. Beautiful. Keep spreading the story of sobriety, of authenticity, of creativity, of love. Blessings to you and your family.
This in another reason why I've always loved this guy #macklemore 🔥
Ohh thank you for this podcat, it's so good to hear that we can speak about how we really feel and what we been going trough at our lowest ❤
This is a great video. Macklemore is so articulate and I connect on such a deep level with so many things he said, including the pain of hurting the people we love and the dual pull of an addiction vs knowing it won't serve the purpose we seek. People don't usually see eating disorders as an addiction but in so many ways they are, and I've had so many of those moments of vulnerability and finally opening up and begging for help and it feels so good to hear someone talk about it in such a beautiful way. Thank you :)
Yes!! I love Macklemore!! He is incredible and I was hoping you'll have him at your table. Kudos!! xoxo
What a great interview and Macklemore's story and honesty is inspiring. This guy is so talented.
Thanks for the glorious vulnerability- I learned so much about myself tonight
Much gratitude