Poland needs help, it's a DISASTER...
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- Poland is not having a good time...can we fix that? I think we can...
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That peace deal hurt. Thanks, Paradox, really cool AI you have there
Don't ask me about the weird bit with Germany and Italy, as I got no idea what happened there.
But when it comes to Bitter losing some allies - that is working as designed:
- while both democratic, Allies and Międzymorze were still separate groups, so it was a multi-faction war
- Yugoslavia, Romania, Turkey, and Finland were not only still surrendered, but straight up under victorious third party control (Allies faction) at the end, which removes them from victors and enables to make demands on them.
- Sweden, Czechoslovakia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Iran were fine, so for them the standard reclaim all pre-war territory for free procedure kicked in.
This can be most easily observed in historical games where soviets pushed west through Poland before the end - Poland will be excluded from victors if russians control most of it, Poland will auto-liberate if russians do not, regardless of German occupation.
And this is why player lead conference mod exists
@@selok91Not Working for new Peace Deal System
Gotta love Walery Sławek hiring himself into the government
A funny oversight for sure.
I seem to be a good man, yes. I should have another job.
Isn't it the democratic way?
@@roosterm16 the representative way, for sure
Classical Eastern European move
Bittersteel is now basically trying to save IRL poland in WW2, like this is so similar to the situation poland had, even with the empty Soviet border
The difference is that in 1939 Poland was not democratic (it was ruled by authoritarian left, but remember we are talking about left from the early 20th century not what we today call left), relations with Czechoslovakia and Lithuania were hostile and the only "allies" Poland had were France and UK.
@@Hadar1991 Yeah I know, but for hoi4 standards this is quite historical. I mean, have you seen all the monarchist runs? Like they are the most common ones
@@Hadar1991 The UK? Didn't the brits disliked Poland for not entering in the Russian Civil War on the side of the White Army?
@@Hadar1991 Sanation was not left wing, it was an authoritarian organization that was nationalist first, everything else second. It's politicians had roots in basically all political parties and the most prominent opposition were the left-wing parties. Sanation itself persecuted leftists as well for example by putting them in a concentration camp in Bereza Kartuska.
@@Rosa-xg8tb Sanation wasn't nationalist, it was an apolitical authoritarianism that tried to ignore the ethnic barriers and include whomever they could into their government. They used to take military actions against the ukrainian nationalists, but only after the ukrainian nationalists had been performing the sabotage actions financed by Germany. People tend to use it as some kind of "proof" that Sanacja was nationalist, but the way Sanacja used to arrest individuals from other ethnicities was no different than arrestments of ethnic Poles whom Sanacja also saw as saboteurs. The actual polish nationalists heavily disliked Sanacja for not trying to just forcefully impose the polish nationality upon others, and thus being in the polish nationalists' eyes naively stupid. And the polish nationalists were those making the opposition. As for communists, noone liked them.
PDX “We totally fixed peace deals!” Everyone: yeah, look at these deals…
Really cool seeing you climb out of the hole I dug myself in in this playthrough.
Glad you had a good time doing it. :)
Hope you enjoyed it!
Can't wait for the Hoi4 A-Z, keep up the good work, brother ❤️
Coming soon!
@@Bitt3rSteel you should ask ISP for a collab for at least 1 episode
@@diegonayahernandez6801 i hope senpai will notice me
@Bitt3rSteel Could be fun to watch if you invite him for japan and one could be in charge of the army and the other the navy
I think this is the first hoi4 player that has willingly chosen to go democratic poland and just sit there and make a big faction, like why??
Why not ?
Chad Sławek RP. That's why.
being democratic is very cool for roleplay
You are mistaken, I did this like a year ago. Why? Because I wanted to.
@@Geexey true dat
"Good news, Bad news. You have a lot of friends, but none of your friends really matter"
Literally my social circles
21:00 Belgium leaders:Why have you kicked me out,Poland:My plans are larger than you think.(although as bitt3rsteel is Belgian its more like they both decided this)
poland pulled the big brain move
Bewhaaaaa
I am literally in shock and my jaw dropped at the sight of seeing how far this channel has come. You truly deserve the best because you produce really good content. Been subbed since "Battle for the Bosporus" days when you used to explain what to do exactly in order. I actually learnt the game through your achievement guides.
Oh man, that was a while ago! I hope you still like the videos!
@@Bitt3rSteel Oh of course I still like them but I've been busy lately with graduating from uni so I don't watch your videos as religiously as I used to. I just watch them every now and then. They're very great and high-quality. Anyways wish you and your family the best. :D
That laugh when you baited the Allies into joining the war against the sockets reminds me of when I threw Tukhachevsky into the old piranha pit.
hello stalin
Bittersteel called my hometown 'whatever this place is'... I'm so proud
Hey I just wanted to say I love your content and all you do including these disaster save's it really makes my day!
For a Polish person like myself, hearing "Plock" the way you pronounced it, is very cute :D It's actually pronounced like Plotsk.
yeah its belarus city
… I’ve got a question or two about where the Polish language pulls that s from or not-insinuated t-like pronunciation before that..
@@tplk1234 Płock is not a Belarussian city:)
@@MBSteinNL I'm afraid I won't be able to assist with that kind of question, I'm not a linguist :(
@@ArturKwaszyn Whole poland is belarus, you poles have history to steal lands
I really don't like people suffering for content but something about these disaster saves is just mwah!
I literally refreshed youtube in the last couple of hours more often than i should, eagerly awaiting the video of the week. keep it up man
That is the new peace mechanics. A couple patches ago paradox broke everything
My friend i like a lot your videos, I don't have time to play hoi4, but i watch all of your content. Hugs from Brazil
Glad you enjoy it!
You gotta love the HOI4's Allies roleplaying like the actual Allies with Poland.
It makes sense here though? This Poland isn't in the Allies, they're leading a separate faction altogether.
You're ruining it.
Great to see another disaster video. I find them educational as well as entertaining, so I am not sure if I'm alone or not, but seeing the production window and logistics a bit more often (especially after big template changes or equipment additions) would be interesting just to see how you save and balance the economy
The reason your allies didn't turn up in the peace conference is because peace conferences exclude nations who are over 50% capitulation or so. Those will appear as if conquered, not as coparticipants
Annoying, yes
I had a similar thing happen in my ahistorical game of Italy where Bulgaria had a civil while in my faction. Afterwards went to war with the Allie’s, they joined, got capitulated and though we won they were in the peace deal as a defeated country. My guess Paradox screwed up some code somewhere.
For the game, defeated nations are nations not liberated when the war end (so under a minor occupation or foreign occupation by fascist/communist). THis why your allies were listed as defeated (cause still occupied by someone after germany and italy cap)
I tought for sure when i saw the start it was unbeatable. But what a comeback! Gz on the victory even if the price was steep in the end!
love that it ends on 1 Sep 1945, almost to the day of the real ww2 ending
Some people are asking why democratic Poland, but I want to know where the hell his industry is.
11:37 Yall rockin with the South Korea shaped Poland or China shaped Hungary???
Local Western Plans for Poland is great as it gives a lot of bonuses but it does cost a decent amount of political power. It also applies to every province you border with Germany. Local Eastern Plans does the same thing but for the Soviets.
Thought this was going to be an April 1st video, but the only one who was fooled this time was BitterSteel...
Sometimes AI in this game is just doesn't work 🤧
11:11 Gotta love the prounciation
Thank you for your effort!
25:07 I wonder if the czechoslovak AI would have restored A-H with the decision if you had fed them Hungary, Austria, Transylvania and northern yugoslavia
I don't think they do formables when historical AI is on.
@@gengarzilla1685 I do wonder, because one time I created an alliance with Peru one time as Mexico, and fed them ecuador, colombia, venezuela and panama, and they formed gran colombia
27:38 Never seen a Pole that tall.
As a pole, It's funny to see you struggle on provinces names(especially płock) :D
I got the same WTF with the peace deal recently as you here when I was trying to get Dracula's Revenge
I played Yugoslavia ofc, got down the tree, dismantled and reunited country and released Transylvania. I played non-historical and Czech Entente happened, so they denied Germany Sudetenland and Hungary got into Axis. I was also declared war from Germany next (luckily Italy went red) and I landed automatically in The French Alliance. Romania capped and I reconqured and occupied Romania's teritory (being in another faction but both factions being in war with Germany).
Czech Entente never capped because Germany couldn't defeat Czechs plus USA joined them and once Germany was defeated, I was able to take Czech entente terotories in the peace deal as well (I was occupying most of them in Europe because I reconqured these on my way to Berlin).
All in all I was about to give up my take but I though well at least I'll defeat Adolf. Even if defeating Germany seemed possible I didn't want to fight USA afterwards but I was blessed with being able to meddle with my allies from another faction.
So I guess maybe paradox implemented more papa-stalin-like peace deals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
27:15
Been watching this channel for years from this particular place - Udmurtia, Izhevsk 🤔🤔🤔
Wow, I'm so glad Paradox improved the peace deals in the latest dlc. Totalllly not a huge cluster fuck that is worse than before.
2nd Miracle on the Vistula
i always been wondering what is the reason to not build few level fort in provices that will under constant attack, or anti air
Takes too long or better things to build
What mod you using to get these extra researches on Industrie,planes,tanks, and the stuff in the Officer Corp? And what mod you using to Design your planes,Tanks,Ships ?
Not mods, dlcs
I wonder if the Yalta conference event fired for the AI, which might explain the cursed peace deal. I've had some whacky results because of it, but I usually play non-historical , so...
Try to win the Balkan powder Krieg as the Ottoman Empire in TheGreatWar mod. Btw love this video ❤
Next time I mess up, I'll try to pull the save and send it to you before I clean up my own mess
I've been enjoying your videos and last night I was considering providing you with a disaster to save. Democratic Sweden saves the Nordic countries.
Everything was going OK, I was winning at naval invasion whack-a-mole in Norway and my troops had stopped Germany from taking Copenhagen, thus keeping Denmark in the war. Japan was knocked out in record time, not sure how. I just needed to hold out for Operation Barbarossa to eventually start to help ease the pressure. But that never happened and everyone just kept expanding their armies, the majors had +500 division each and I could barely keep 60 up to strength. Instead the UK declared war on the USSR. Nukes were being dropped by both side. It was a complete disaster. So much for playing on historical mode.
But in January 1952, through cleaver maneuvers and complete disregard for the lives of my fellow Swedes, Denmark and Norway had been restored. And Finland even managed to retake Nyen (Leningrad).
they never did national defense fund for the two years of -15 consumer goods
I have an idea for a video: playing as Italy in 1936, (Historical AI On) go monarchist and by the settings make Germany go Monarchist too with Hungary trying tò reform the Austria-Hungary (they are monarchist too).
And make an Alliance with those two called "Renewed Triple Alliance" and then trought the focus trees of you and Germany try tò defeat the Allies and Soviets
What do you use for your background music?
So apperantly you didnt know, but if a country is completely occupied and the nation that is occuping them is defeated, these countries will be partioned in the peace deal aswell.
If you play the soviets for exampe and manage to take the benelux or even france before they can be liberated by their allies, they can be taken in peace deals.
Best example would be poland after killing germany as the soviets.
The reason you lost Romania, Finland, Turkey and Yugoslavia is because Allied nations walked into their territories without military acess, and since they were occupied by the Axis and they capitulated, the occupied nations also were considered "defeated" because you didn't liberate them by yourself, so all the territory the Axis held was in the peace deal, including your allies (at least Romania stayed with you lol). I thought you knew that and I don't even play Hoi4 😅😅😅😅.
I don't know what's worse: the disaster itself or the disgusting peace deals.
I also tried democratic Poland. Just by looking at the focus tree you know you are meant to capitulate. Defending after the civil war is hard.
ok here's an odd challenge (if you'll take em) is to train your divisions to 100%, and when they're at 100% deploy them (idk if this helps with any thing but here's one none the less)
lmfao
Respect the Reach reference
Płock in polish is pronounced kind of like Plotsk
(with k like in "book")
I think your allies were in deal as during the surrender of the axis they are still occupied
27:41 thats a pretty big pole.
I'm kinda dumb how do i load these disaster saves
25:36 Classic Allies moment
Aaaaand this is why I still don’t play for achievements and always have player-led peace conferences on.
Ah yes, being outnumbered and outgunned. And being destroyed from both sides. Classic Poland experience.
Do it for Sławek!
hey bitter i just saw your town on the news
Infantry equipment 1 still RIP
Stellar comeback! Early on I kept wait for you to say April Fools.
And once again the peace deal system proves to us how broken it is.
i have a Germany save that I'm honestly afraid to send
is it really that bad?
Anyone gonna mention how much like China, Hungary looks like at 11:40?
Why didnt you produce cheap Basic Medium tanks? The AI never pierces them and you could mix Cavalry with them to save Trucks and minimize fuel usage.
Cavalry is better at pushing through Forest too, plus the tanks the division will have great Hardness.
Guide for Hardly Anything Severs in the current patch?
Yeah one of the oddest things in hoi I've noticed is which AI nations will try to naval invade you. The Soviets LOVE hitting dobrudja and Danzig ... even if they've lost Kiev.
Honestly, Democratic Poland is a very doable playthrough, and can actually be quite strong if you spend the time to take parts from both the left and right path.
I tried to do that in this save. However I think I should've taken some focusses that give factories at the beginning before doing the constitution. Just a couple of military factories more a year or two before the war would've made quite a difference in equipping my divisions.
But there isn't really that much time to do "protect Czechoslovakia" before Germany demands the Sudetenland so doing a lot of industry focusses does not seem feasible.
Bitt3rsteel, could you do a falangist spain video???
Never forget the pro gamer Belgian thirst trap
Chad Belgium never capitulating
Can you play Spain and return all colonies that it once had, like Mexico, half of USA, Argentina, Philippines etc and all lands like Netherlands, southern Italy, Portugal as vassal that owns Brazil and so on...
Did you like that paradox joke there bittersteel 🤣🤣
I may have a disaster save for you
How do I send it?
Can we get an updated template guide?
Everyone sleeps on Belgium, I was playing Keiserredux and it took me my entire western divisions to dogpile them before the French Syndicate would intervene
I tried doing something similar but was screwed by France falling immediately. I went back to the previous save and turns out they stationed half their army guarding their ports rather than the Maginot… Germany just walked in even though most of their units were facing me… Given France survived here, hopefully they have fixed that “bug”.
Why were like half of the countries in your alliance included in the peace deal?
You’ve got to admit the color of the social republic of Italy is a good faction color for the Axis.
5:47 it's pronounced not as Plok but Plotsk
Disaster saves my favorite videos ❤
30 minutes of hell but with extra steps...
Imagine Belgium is very compentent and stopped Soviet landing and German attack
Bitt3rsteel fights to the bitter end. Ha
Did anyone else notice Lithuania became very red at the end
Płock - Pwotzk, Kielce - Kyéltzé
7:28 you changed this template unnecesarry, because this deficit was caused by these 52 divisions queued up
I half expected to get rickrolled
19:43 Why is Tannu Tuva is a major?
why does my game look different, i downloaded through xbox app on my pc and dont have any DLCs
Kazachstan looks like big Czech Republic without Brno/southern Moravia lol
Lore of Poland Is Not Yet Lost momentum 100
The most aggressive naval invader AI give it to Greece and the Soviet Union
What is that background music called?
You have done good 🫡🫡🇵🇱🇵🇱
Just a note, Poles are rarely 10ft tall ;))))
6:35 real voice MonkaS