Reverse Thrust Midflight Leads to Disaster (Luxair Flight 9642) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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In November 2002, a routine commuter flight goes horribly wrong. The plane operated by Luxair was on approach to Luxembourg's Airport. The pilots had flown into dense fog and inadvertently deployed the Reverse Thrust.
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I have issued a small correction with this video here: czcams.com/video/6hmr-oJMN-Q/video.html&ab_channel=DisasterBreakdown
What's the *small* correction?
I swear he’s saying Fokker as many times as reasonably possible, and I love it.
Yes 🤣🤣 the small fuckin plane
I could listen to him say Fokker all day.
Agreed!
The auto-generated English subtitles bleeped it out more than once. Made me wonder what the fok was going on... 😏
i thought it was pronounced "Fullker" and not "fawker"
The pilot was a scapegoat. The company had been advised to make changes and the attitude of administration was: “Why bother, what could possibly go wrong?”. A perfect scenario for Murphy’s law.
He was culpable too. It was a piss poor decision to try to land after initiating the missed.
The "scapegoat" irresponsibly scrapped all procedures and rules by attempting to circumvent a go-around procedure that was already being carried out. I´m glad he survived so that his non-brainer, hazardous "thinking" is documented so other pilots can look themselves in a mirror, because get-there-itis is very common and lethal. Murphy is fine, don´t blame his "Law".
Couple of minutes of his life that he will never undo. Seems like harsh punishment to me, the results of his mistake was more than enough discipline IMO
The captain is responsible for the safety of the plane and the passengers. If he thinks something is too risky or feels uncomfortable during something it is not only his right but his duty to go around for example, or abort a takeoff. its not like this was in the 80s where smoking was still allowed on planes and procedures werent that perfectionized. the only person responsible for this disaster is the captain. thats why he is a captain and gets paid much. I dont know how he behaved after this.. there was another crash (airbus during an airshow) where despite evidence the captain always refused to admit he is responsible. if this captain did the same and tried to blame others for his poor decisions I think some jail time was appropriate.
The pilot was not a scapegoat, he completely fucked it up. But the reason why he was the pilot in command is totally Luxair‘s fault. So I agree the company is to blame too. He was wrongly promoted to captain too early because he had good connections inside the Airline. Only 26 Year old and captain, guess what could go wrong.
I nearly blew a fuse when they said the pilot and the mechanic served prison time for the choices made by the executives over the safety of the planes. That's such fucking horseshit
Just like Alaska Airlines crash off of California. A whistleblower (rightly so) informed investigators about company cutting back on maintenance to save a buck. This caused the elevator jackscrew to fail, killing everyone.
Whistleblower lost his job.
NOBODY was brought to justice and found responsible🤬
Right, the individual who actively set reverse thrust on a commercial aircraft mid-flight at low altitude after abruptly abandoning a missed approach is *_far_* less responsible than the airline execs who elected not to install an optional modification to an electrical sub-system which provided tertiary layer redundancy in the prevention of an operation that under no circumstances should even be attempted in nominal flight operations in the first place. Got it.
Not including the pilots themselves, whose ability to prevent this scenario is virtually absolute by simply not attempting to set reverse thrust in flight, you still have to bypass not 1 but 2 physical lockouts on the throttle column before the faulty system even has the potential to become a factor. Obviously I'm not saying it's prudent to ignore flaws when found, but in this circumstance it's understandable why this was deemed an optional modification when the risk to passenger safety was practically non-existent, barring an act of willful negligence on the part of the pilot.
@@ABCDEFR Beta range! Did you watch the video? This is the airlines fault!
Fokking horseshit
That's Luxembourg justice for you. It's just theatre. They also locked up the journalist that exposed all the dodgy deals between the Luxembourg government and companies to avoid tax. Not to mention that Luxembourg operated one of the most intense surveillance programs against critical journalists and activists in Europe, with many thousands of files being created by the SREL (intelligence service) and allegedly having been destroyed before transparency policies by the new government would have allowed people access to their files.
If I was a pilot of one of those planes I’d get a not inconsiderable kick out of saying, “I’m piloting this Fokker today.”
Anyways, back to the horrible accident.
And Fokker made a regional jet, the Fokker 100. Kind of like a parent of this smaller version… you could describe it as…
a….
Mother-Fokker!😂🇨🇦🍺
Once again, I will let myself out of the class room!
Let's get this Fokker in the air
Back to the fokking accident.
reminds me of the legend of a hero of the Battle of Britain telling his story in a school, to kids. He goes on about '...I was dueling with this 1 Fokker, then another Fokker surpised me from behind - so I slammed on the speed brake til the 2nd one flew past me and got em both. Then I went looking for more Fokkers...'; the teacher sees kids snickering & says,
'by the way class, Fokker is the name of the German company that makes the planes'.
The ex-fighter pilot goes 'yes maam, it sure is...except these fuckers were Messerschmits'.
So the controller at Luxembourg's only airport was unfamiliar with the limitations of an aircraft of Luxembourg's only airline. Ok.
Yes, why would he be. Not his job to know this.
@@peteconrad2077 ok. Like it isn't the job of the PA announcer to know the names of the home team, or the job of a plumber to know the local plumbing codes, or the job of the librarian to know the books written by regional authors? You may be right, but still it's Luxembourg not New York. One airline, not that hard.
@@mikebronicki6978 your analogies are meaningless. The controller doesn’t need to know aircraft limitations and it would be a ridiculously complex task as different airlines have different limitations on different types and these change from time to time. It’s the pilots job to know and say if an instruction doesnt fit the limitations.
@@peteconrad2077 oh, I see. That's why controllers assign FL40 to private jets and expect Piper Cubs to come in at 160 knots. Because they aren't required to know anything about a plane's limitations. Got it.
@@mikebronicki6978 thats not about limitations, that’s about speed categories. A cub is Cat A and a private jet would be Cat C. Next stupid question.
I remember that day, we were sitting in class that morning (3rd grade, I was 9 years old)
Our teacher wasn't able to speak because there were so many ambulances, police cars and firefighters who drove past our building. At that time we were unaware of what had happened and we found it quite hilarious that our teacher couldn't teach us, due to the constant noise from the sirens. Then at noon when we went home, a friend of mine rushed to her parents to find out what had happened and I remember it pretty vividly how she stormed out of her front door, when she saw me walking by.
She screamed "A Luxair plane crashed, the firefighters were driving to the crash site..."
I was shocked! As you already mentioned in your video, Luxair was pretty much the only airline, which connected Luxembourg to the rest of Europe. My parents and I were flying every Summer with Luxair to our holiday destinations... From that day on I developed a fear of flying and still to this day, whenever I see that old tail logo, I get anxiety.
I didn't know, that the pilot was sentenced to imprisonment. Although I don't know the man myself, I just have to say that it is a very severe punishment. He tried to save that plane from going down that day and even though he was the captain, he was only 26 years of age, which is very young. I don't see why he would have to be punished that hard... I'm sure he's still suffering from PTSD, which is already terrible enough.
Nevertheless, I want to say thank you for making this video! The people who died in this accident shouldn't be forgotten - may their souls rest in peace!
Keep up the great work! You just got yourself a new subscriber :)
I was older than that but I do remember seeing it in the news.
I was in an airport with my father - he was in full uniform and I was wearing company uniform (I was a Pilot Assistant back then and flew as much as I could to get my hours up so I got to wear 2 epaulets).... anyways this old woman comes up to up to us and pointed to an aircraft on the apron and says "What type of aircraft is that?" My dad says umm, that's manufactured by a Dutch company, hoping she would just go away, but no, she insisted on finding out more info. So he says it's a Fokker, Ma'am and she gave us the filthiest look and stormed off !
🤣
😁😂
I have heard someone pronounce it FOker, with a long "O", in such circumstances. This doesn't offend anyone who doesn't know what a Fokker is anyway, and anyone who does know will realize exactly what's being done and will admire the speaker's perspicacity and coolness in emergencies. Win-win!
Corporate executives avoid jail time whilst the workers serve jail time, just like the Wall St. Banks here in the USSA!!!
Gotta love them socialist bankers
@@DryeLint zionist* fixed it for you....
The company was under no legal obligation to implement those modifications. The captian, on the other hand, is legaly responsible for the safety of "his" aircraft and everyone aboard.
Agreed that the exec should have came under HEAVY scrutiny, but the main cause of the incident was pilot error, no matter how you look at it.
In this case it was „the workers“ fault tough. In the end the accident came down to pilot error. The airline was not legally required to make those changes and besides I don’t believe such decisions on maintenance are made at the executive level.
tell us a country where bankers serve jail time ??? If u don't like the ussa, try the ussr
I think I couldn't have narrated this and keep a straight face, without cracking up more than just a few times....
Well done!
Disaster Breakdown deserves more subscribers.
A reversethrust deploy also brought down a Lauda Air plane, decreasing his fleet by 1/4. Lauda did everything to prove it was the reverse thrust but researchers didn’t agree and quit. Lauda insisted they ran more test and they finally found a setting that is used IRL where the switch suddenly goes to deploy reversethrust and it was repeatable every time. If Lauda hadn’t insisted, the cause would have been pilot error or unknown. But thanks to him the engines were redesigned. Further than any other airlineowner seems to want to go to find out the cause of a crash and keep airliners as safe as possible while of course it was likely it was a reputationissue too. Lauda Air merged some time later.
Like my familirazation to the Fokker-50 I also happen to be familiar to the Lauda accident.
This a total different can of worms. First of all this was a jet, of which only one of the trust reversers unwantingly deployed.
Also here the crew did nothing out of the ordinary. Had they known what was going on, selecting idle trust would solve the problem. They just where not aware of what happened to the engine.
The story on the Fokker was not reversing the prop but a way to low pitch for both engines.
Cutting both engines actualy was a smart idea, just to late.
I had no idea niki lauda owned airlines. Thanks for that info
@@drnogueiras8783 Indeed he did, as well he was a 757 pilot for his own airline.
I regulary met him during training sessions in the Netherlands.
@@pascalcoole2725 oh, that’s awesome! Oh damn, speaking of f1... I wonder how Schumacher is doing 🤔
@@drnogueiras8783 Clots deep in the brain............ i don't think he will ever be doing well again.
This channel is amazing
Also the kid in me couldn't stop laughing everytime you said Fokker
Same here.
Because you naturally hear 'Fucker' instead of 'Fokker' after learning it. That's why some youtubers have to censor 'Fokker' in their videos, the CZcams system.
I once read the cvr transcript. On that already difficult approach, the pilots were also distracted by talking about things like “needing a dump” etc. This might have influenced the court’s decision in convicting the captain.
Edit: maybe i misremembered. But i went back to reread it and i do find the arguing about duties and whose job it is to talk to the passengers etc and the captain saying that he definetely does not want to go to Saarbrücken.
Ugh nothing worse than needing to squeeze one out when you can't. Bet his underpants didn't hold it back when the gravity of the situation was realised.
Maybe he wanted to DUMP HIS FUEL🤭🤭🤭🤫🤫🤫🥴🥴🥴🥴🥺🥺🥺🥺🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
@@johnennis4586 lol @squeeze one out 🤪🤪🤪🤭🤭🤭🤫🤫🤫🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
You can tell you aren’t a pilot. Leave this to professional’s who know aviation. I’m an ATP rated pilot with several type ratings. You’re a wannabe pilot. The very worst type of person
@@kurules3072 r/iamverysmart
Make a video on the flight Varig 254. The Boeing went down in the middle of the Amazon jungle because of the absence of a comma on the flight plan sheet.
Wasn't it Varig 254 not 257?
@@RanLive 254. Thanks, I've just corrected it!
Nice video! Was always looking for a report of that crash, since I'm from Luxembourg and remember that day in 2002. It's really weird looking back 19 years, cause I know a few people working at the airport, a pilot and a friend who joined the ATC. Today we have the most secure safety standards and one of the most enhanced ILS-System and a fresh runway of 4km. Fog can be really bad in the regions around the airport. I live around 14 kilometers from the airport and during the Fall-Winter season the fog can be beyond bad. I remember days when I was walking on the countryside with a sight worse than 50 meters. Well, there were really weird conversations going on in the cockpit that I read in a report a few years ago. 'Yo, bon mir machen en go-around, missed approach', which is translated to: Well, whatever, so we go for a go-around, missed approach. They were not talking to the ATC, but mixing Luxemburgish and English in the cockpit during a stressful approach isn't clever. The Blackbox also recorded a dialoge between both pilots when the trottle switched to idle, 'Wat ass dat??' (What's that??). And it got worse when the captain kept speaking Luxemburgish and said to his Co-Pilot: 'Now watch what daddy taught his son, I handle that with both my hands' as he applied full trottle and said to his Co-Pilot to retract the flaps. He was overacting the psychological stress in that situation, but these are only speculations. It was really a lack of harmony in the cockpit and bot pilots didn't had the same standard training program so it really had an impact of the synergy of the crew. It really hurts reading and watching the report from 19 years ago, times really changed at the airport here. The communication used by the crew is what we call 'farmer-gibberish' in Luxembourg. Unprofessional. And the price is that the crew killed 20 people.
I don’t understand the reason for sending the pilot and mechanics to prison. It was definitely unintentional so why punish them ? I’m sure the pilot will never be the same. Being only 1 of the 2 people that survived
He also did everything he could to save the plane. The plane had issues that if they weren’t there, it would have landed.
Because they wanted someone to publicly answer for it and it sure won't be the rich CEOs.
But yeah, it's not like he wanted to crash. He could have very easily been killed himself, and I'm sure he already felt awful about killing all the passengers as well as his friends he works with.
The court isn't saying it was done on purpose, they're saying there was negligence involved. However, even that appears to be highly questionable in this case.
OK, so who relieving the Captain of all responsibility, failed to actually look at the data about where he was in relation to the proper glide slope? He was too high above and beyond the slope to have even been considering the concept of a safe landing. A go around was absolutely called for instead of the asinine and fatal attempt to bring the aircraft down too quickly. THAT’S the reason why he deservedly got prison time, aircraft issues not withstanding.
Well done video! As a retired criminal prosecutor (in the US) I have mixed feelings about the decision to prosecute the pilot. Without question, it's a tragedy -- but by the standards of my jurisdiction I don't know whether his actions reached the level of criminal negligence.
Fellow member of the Bar here. Very much in sympathy with your observations.
doesn't "criminality" implicates intent? it's not like the guy got out of bed and told himself; hey let's crash this b%ch and none will be the wiser
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex Criminality can be based on intent or on "state of mind". A sufficiently reckless state of mind can result in criminal charges. (Think of drunk drivers -- they don't intend to kill anyone but they disregard the risk that someone may die.) I think we agree that the pilots weren't as reckless as a drunk driver. That's why I am uncomfortable with the prosecution. Of course, the laws maybe very different where the crash happened.
@@MarcDufresneosorusrex Not always. There are criminal negligence and recklessness (negligent and reckless homicide for example).
Also there are strict liability crimes such as statutory rape that require no culpable mental state at all.
But I take your point that generally intent must be demonstrated.
@@gretchenlittle6817 In Europe, when you screw up big time in something that is your responsibility and people get hurt from it, you go to jail. And rightly so in my opinion.
The weather report (TAF) clearly states that the pilots can expect visibility of 100 meters due to fog from time 0700 UTC until 1000 UTC for periods not exceeding 60 minutes (TEMPO).
Therefore the weather conditions were no surprise to the pilots who would have flight planned accordingly.
It is common practice for pilots to “have a look” at the destination weather conditions whilst having alternate fuel reserves.
Also to get the propellers into the ground idle range the pilot must pull a finger lever on each throttle lever to bring the throttles back through a gate. Something that I and no pilot I have ever flown with on the F50 would have done.
Pure madness!
Sadly, with the other distraction going on, pulling the lockout lever might have been almost a muscle-memory thing. We all do it sooner or later but on far less critical occasions.
I have to confess to being distracted by the Fokker issue. But at the end of the day, I felt too guilty about posting a lighter comment given the tragic loss of life. Thanks for the video and the well put together story of this flight.
No one :
Absolutely no one :
Not a single soul :
My brain : *« Fucker 50 »*
The auto-caption heard the same thing
I will always interpret it as fucker now.
Stfu with that stupid " no one, absolutely no one, shit. "
Yahya Ktaibe
DEAD JOKE
@@tanvirahmed539 Thank you. It was dead after the 500th time I read it.
I'm from Luxembourg and due to my job at the time, I got very close to the accident location. I still didn't know what kind of job I wanted to do, so I was in this program that lets you try out different jobs for a year and when this accident happened, I was working for a company that redirects traffic from roads that need to be shut down for some reason. That morning, I was actually in a van, driving around with the guys that actually shut down the roads to see how it is like, outside, on the roads.
Suddenly, we got a call to stop what we were doing and to go as soon as possible to Niederanven (where the plane had crashed). I remember, as we were on our way to the crash area, one of the guys sitting in the van said _"This is going to be fun, picking up body parts and trying to figure out what part belongs to what body"_ but nobody thought it was funny. The driver told him to shut up and everyone kept silent until we got there.
I saw the plane but didn't see bodies or anything like that. I admire the people like firefighters, medics and everyone who went there and who had to see what I imagine must be a horrific scene. Also, let's not forget that behind every single person of the 20 people who died, there are family members and loved ones and many other people who were deeply affected by what happened that day.
I watch a lot of these videos but for some reason, I never thought to look up this specific accident, not until now. Thanks for doing the research and for making this video!
I am very familiar to the Fokker-50 and a bit confused about this accident. To get into ground idle you actively have to lift the bars at the front of the trottles. Which in flight is prevented as described in the video. For this reason there is absolutely no reason to even try to get into the ground mode as this is prevented and to my knowledge no pilot would even try this in flight.
If you would ask a pilot if it can be done he surely would say it is not possible, which in fact is incorrect also described in the video.
Ground idle and reverse is posible when AircraftOnGround switch is active OR wheelspeed >10kts, so immidiately after T/O it can be done (and surely will crash the plane).
The GroundIdle Lock was a really cheapass and stupid solution for preventing a problem than indeed leaded to this accident.
It was found that selecting Reverse after landing to quickly would result in forward trust until the prop had reversed which took some time.
This again was the result of a modification to prevent the prop RPM to drop to low when selecting Reverse, such temporaly bringing the Generators offline causing a bus-transfer messing up the avionics (The Attitude Heading Reference System would go in allignmode such inhibbiting the PrimaryFlightDisplay on both sides)
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Although you can do the most stupid things with a Fokker-50 and recover from the most bizar situations easiely, diving onto an GlideSlope is never a good thing as you could enter a false lobe. Beside given the visabilitie it would stil be marginal so you'd need a good stable approach.
I just don't understand how this accident could happen, This is the most easy to operate aircraft i know of.
Luxair has replaced its Fokker 50 planes with the De Havilland Q400 since that accident and the tail of the entire fleet is now painted red, blue and white, like the flag of Luxemburg.
I'm subscribed to many channels, however yours is by far my favourite. Well researched, good animations and very interesting.
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thumbs up for voice narration, now i can fly in MSFS2020 while listening to your content as well
I do the same while flying my PMDG NGX on FSX.It's such a pleasant and relaxing experience.
I usually double down and watch your videos while on a commercial flight. 👍
great video as usual & congrats on hitting 10k subs!
glad to be a part of this ♥️
Never heard about this accident until seeing your video. Thank you for the fine work.
Flying to San Fran from Minnesota, I love your channel before flights lmao! 🤔😓🤣
Cool, thanks for covering this one. Cheers, a Luxembourger
Love your videosI’m a big fan of commercial aviation and I always look forward to watching your videos
Love this channel! Glad I decided to check it out.
First time viewer, thanks to CZcams recommendations. A nice, clear video and you have a good voice. Thank you - subscribed ♥
I love your channel, please keep making these!!
I’m definitely getting hooked on these interesting videos!
Great explanation. Thank you.
Good video as always! Also congrats on 10000 subs!
Knowing the CVR transcript, I can assert that both pilots behavior was very unprofessional and uncoordinated.
Rumor has it that the pilot never was able to rebuild his reputation and so he left the country to begin a new life in the US.
This channel is amazing!
Thanks!
Whoever decided to name this plane Fokker..You sir, are a genius. I could not keep a straight face every time he said it
I was just enjoying a nice cup of tea in my armchair, and almost redecorated my wall with said beverage.😁
You’ll be hysterical if WWII air combat ever comes up in conversation then.
Awesome video mate, 10/10!
Great content and video! Like the narration. Subscribed 👍
Thanks and welcome
May I just tell you that here in the States, we ABSOLUTELY ADORE your pronunciation of
"FOKKER". 😉😉😉🙏🙏.God's blessings to you fine Sir, you have made MY ENTIRE YEAR!!👏👏👏👏👏😉😉😉🙏🙏🙏🧡🧡🧡🛬🛬🛬
yet another great video, but why do i hear 'fucker 50' instead of 'fokker 50'
Because he has a lovely, nuanced accent of unknown origin. I love it!
🤔😳I know!!!
Based on my limited knowledge of UK accents (I’m American), I’m guessing he’s from North East England. And I agree that it’s an appealing accent; it’s certainly much nicer-sounding than mine 😆.
@@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar nice, I am too from north east england
Me TOO!! and I ABSOLUTELY ADORE IT!!👏👏👏😉🙏🧡
I’ve never flown in that Fokker!
Very well done.
Great content
Just because something is highly unlikely to happen, doesn't mean it's equal to ZERO, it will happen eventually if you tempt your luck too far.
Thousand of hours have been flown before by the F50 without any incident. The letter of Fokker was merely an Advisory. Every F50 pilot knew not to have her/his hand on the power lever and apply any force on it while in flight. However, some did in order to have the reverse pitch without delay as soon as the A/C touches ground.
How many times can we say Fokker? Lmao it's hilarious.
I do love the way you pronounce Fokker.
Good job on the bassoon, btw. Those double reed instruments are not easy!
Fokker ignored another possible flaw, only this time in the F100: that of an engine going into reverse without being commanded and there was nothing to inform the pilots of this. See the case of TAM's F100 in São Paulo.
I can actually see how this could easily happen given the situation. If you're the pilot and you're surprised by the landing clearance and you need to slow the plane down to catch the glideslope, you're going to pull back on the throttles. You're not going to look over at them, you're going to keep your eyes ahead and reach over and ease the throttles back. You're definitely not thinking that you might be pulling the throttles back so far that you are initiating reverse thrust, because that shouldn't even be possible while in the air. The fault lies more on the design of the controls than on the pilot in my opinion.
I LOVE THESE VIDEOS!!!!!
jesus, what an amazing video!
Thank you.
@@DisasterBreakdown no, gamino thanked jesus, not you. Bless
Dude you should contact Mountain Queen (high altitude climbing) and offer to voice over his almost unintelligible narration. Your English is perfect. Great videos with really detailed explanations.
This is a serious documentary and I can’t stop laughing at the word Fokker
Good job though. Very educational. I’m definitely a fan of your channel :)
I have been on board a F50 and also a F27. I am still proud of this Dutch airplane manufacturer, but I did not expect that there was such a dangerous bug that it is actually possible to activate full thrust reverse in flight... I will check in the sim (Xplane 11.5) whether the Dash 8 Q400 has a similar bug.
I was in primary school in Roodt,near the crash between Niederanven and Roodt. It was very very foggy that day. I remember that we heard that typical sound from an airplane (like a falling plane in a movie) and than there was nothing,just silence.I guess that was the reverse sound. Some minutes later ,we heard a mass of police and rescue cars. Some hours later,they told us that a plane crashed 3-4 km away from the school. That could have ended possibly in a tragedy,if you watch it on google maps.
Some days later, we had to close our shutter in our classrom to avoid to see the mass of coffins they put into the church right to the school.
No,it was not a nice time,these days in november 02.
Very curious. Although I lived ‘just up the road’ in Belgium at the time, I have no recollection at all of this accident!
As a Luxembourger the way that this accident was handled in the national press and judiciary highlights why I genuinely believe Luxembourg to be the most corrupt country in Western Europe, especially under Juncker (1995-2013). The pilot was vilified in the press, although his only mistake was to made an unstabilised approach which would not have ended up in the accident if it had not been for this unforeseeable (for the pilot) technical defect. Slam dunk approaches are not that uncommon on turboprop aircraft even if not according to proper procedure. The media framed it as if he intentionally activated reverse thrust, although the pilots would’ve been told this is impossible when in the air, completely covering up the inherent flaw in the Fokker and the fact that the executives had chosen not to implement the recommendations of Fokker. Luxembourg also ran one of the biggest state surveillance apparatus (SREL) which monitored thousands of opposition activists and political figures, and destroyed files before they were meant to be opened to the public after 2013, and also jailed the journalist who exposed the shady dealings of the government with multinational corporations (LuxLeaks).
1 survivor = miracle from some god, pilot and 1 other survivor = manslaughter.
Yeah, I cant help but think, that he was punished for surviving. Whereas the executives, who put him in that situation, went free.
Not just Europe as I flew a Lux Air 707 in,I think, 1983 from Johannesburg to Luxemburg.I don't know if they do such exotic routes now.
In the 1960s I flew Fokker F 27s over (and through) the Northern Mountains in Pakistan's Kashmir. You had to be very familiar with the aircraft's performance to survive. We did not have reverse thrust like the F 50, but had Ground Fine settings for the RR engines--using an Air Brake rather than reverse after landing. It was possible to take Ground Fine in the air by lifting the throttle levers over a stop. Only and idiot would do so as it was a sure action for a crash. One of our ex copilots who flew a few times as my copilot was a firm believer in using Ground Fine in flight to lose height rapidly. I had him sent for an update in technical knowledge. Later he went to East Pakistan and became a captain. He was coming in high and selected Ground Fine. The F27 fell out of control ,and in panic, he pushed both throttles to maximum setting. One engine went to full power and the other auto feathered. The plane turned on its back before crashing and caught fire. Six passengers were killed and so was a brave Air Hostess who went to save them. The F 27 had a good performance. Above the Glide Slope, if the Landing Gear was put down and the Flaps selected to Full, the descent was rapid with the Throttles retarded. The trick was to begin advancing the Throttles BEFORE reaching the Glide Slope or you could go right through it. I feel sorry for the captain who was jailed. He did not deliberately crash his aircraft and there were technical aspects that contributed to the crash.
This like so many other disasters seems to reinforce the lesson - when it comes to go-arounds, abandoned approaches, rejected takeoffs, etc - just pick something and stick with it. So many accidents caused by changes in decisions last second.
I am from Lux and was in Highschool that time and doing my License PPL VFR (Private Pilot Licence) and heard about it when i was coming from school! i called my mom if it was my Instructor as he worked for Luxair as a Cap. of 737 . I wasn't him but feel so so bad the whole airport was silence :(
That's crazy. I really think that in this situation the manufacturer should be at fault because it's a design flaw with the throttles and the anti skid sensors.
Thank you for pronouncing Fokker correctly.
Didn't realize I never grew up after hitting 12 years old. The way you say 'Fokker' over and over had me reeling.
I hope you could make a Laoag International Airlines 585, a crash also involving a Fokker 50
Great work. Please include whenever possible the exerts of the Cockpit Voice recorder . I noticed you try to keep your videos under 20 mins, go just a little further up to 20 mins due to the videos being rushed towards the end. Just some tips from Scott T from Texas.
Most crashes are pilot error. This one is on Fokker.
Yikes. That blade rotation glitch basically meant that in a panic situation like the one in this incident, the pilot's instinctive actions would literally cause an aerodynamic stall out of nowhere!
My cousin worked at Fokker in Holland for many years..
To deploy thrust reverser's requires a squat-switch to be closed. In other words, there has to be weight on the main landing gear for the thrust reversers to deploy. In some cases the reversers can be set to deployed automatically. The Lauda air accident was a software glitch - completely different airframes, completely different type of accident.
If you listen to the video, an electrical fault was discovered in (1988?) which under rare conditions could BYPASS that secondary lockout and permit the activation of thrust reversers IN FLIGHT. It still required the pilots to manually engage beta range, a shockingly insane action for them to take.
Thanks for the great quality! I hadn’t heard of this crash before
That was fokken informative.
Harsh to imprison someone for an involuntary action that potentially endangered his life as well.
Is this a sign of more frequent uploads?
"The manufacturer, FOKKER" I love this name, LOL
I can’t watch this video around my lil fokkers without headphones 😅
Nicely done. Quality product which hopefully will shame channels like DarkSkies into voluntarily pulling the plug.
is there a Fokker 69?
TAM Airlines Flight 402
pretty much same thing but with the fokker 100 in brazil... congonhas october 1996
This video is Fokking good
This is on the weather service kinda because TAF’s are valid for 24 hours unless something changes in a big way
No. They’re not guaranteed.
Artist Michel Majerus was on this flight. I saw an exhibition of his work in Miami and he was truly ahead of his time with the pop culture references in his work. Sad to think he could’ve still been making art today if it hadn’t been for this accident
Sir, if I wasn't already subscribed, I would do so for no other reason than the delightful way you say Fokker.
madam, she is a woman
@@dontspikemydrink9382 Yes, apologies! But, my comment was from a year ago.
I’ve seen so many accidents that have happened when a NON-binding fix had earlier been issued. This tells me that there should NEVER be optional fixes-just fix your damn planes! Regardless of how improbable an accident would be, when dealing with peoples lives, once is too much so take the decision making away from the airlines.
22 years later..
this disaster happened on the day i was born.... damn, idk might not be anything special but that will definitely make me remember this.
Hello, but MANYyears ago an AIR CANADA DC8 coming into LESTER PEARSON @ TORONTO CA. reach for landing gear & pulled the THRUST REVERSERS by accident So it just fell out of the sky
Douglas I believe simply painted the THRUST REVERSER LEVER as it was next to the GEAR LEVER . RIP. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇺🇸🇺🇸
Well, in TAF you have a TEMPO section which shows visibility 0100 exactly from 7 to 10, so it shouldn’t have been a surprise for pilots and an easy decision to divert
No, TEMPO means less than half that period and for periods of less than an hour. Not a reason to divert when seen in a TAF.
@@peteconrad2077 so it actually meant that in this "time slot" conditions are supposed to be pretty bad. I would have agreed with you if there was prob40 or 30, but with tempo it's much easier to make a decision. At least not continuing an approach if not stabilized
Captain was a scapegoat, the company didn’t make the adjustments
And I also have a suggestion for a new video
that title sounds like lauda air 004
How very sad.
What is the music in the background