3 TERRIBLE Heart Pieces in The Legend of Zelda
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Usually collecting a piece of heart is something to be celebrated, but occasionally it can feel like a huge disappointment. That's why in this video, we'll look at 3 of my least favorite examples throughout the Zelda franchise and explain what makes each of them so terrible.
And if you want my take on what the absolute WORST heart piece in the series is, check out my video on it here: • The WORST Heart Piece ...
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the most infuriating thing about this video is that we can't even get a full heart container; it only covers 3 heart pieces
Not having the knowledge that you could simply strafe along the left side of hyrule field in twilight princess while carrying the hot spring water wasted hours of my life.
First time I played the game it was on the Wii and I had no idea and it was brutal lol. My 2nd playthrough on the GCN went much smoother with that info.
How is this not the first thing people tried
I did it first try, it's completely obvious
@@ootdega Same. I didn't know it was meant to be particularly challenging.
@ootdega Not everyone thinks about or approaches things the same way you do. 🤷♂️
@@ootdega Not really obvious, because before I tried it anyway I figured something would knock me into the seemingly bottomless valley. And I was surprised when that didn't happen.
For me, the piece of heart that didn't feel worth it was the Secret Shrine in Majora's Mask. Mainly because one thing, you can't go into some of the rooms until you already have enough hearts. To rematch the Garo Master, you need 16 hearts. To go through all of that to get enough hearts just for the final reward to be another piece of heart just felt like a ripoff to me.
Wow I guess because I've always had a ton of hearts by the end of the game I never encountered that issue, but that's kind of crazy. There's no reason to put that kind of prerequisite in place considering you could fight the Garo Master with 3 hearts if you wanted to during the normal quest.
It would've been cool to have this place house an item or something. like maybe a fourth sword upgrade potential?
(Which now that I think about it, could be pretty cool. Make it look like the sword the dead hero has in TP)
My question is... How do *not* have enough hearts? Are you just skipping most of the game, which is the side quests?
@@dalejhunter1 I was 11 years old when I first played it, and I had no strategy guide. So I was dumb and blind so it took me a long time to find any piece of heart.
I don't remember that at all!
I'd bet the reason the Magic Armor isn't the final reward of the trading quest in Wind Waker is because the devs realized late into development how mundane and tedious the quest was. As well as downright stupidly confusing with trading items BACK TO THE SAME GUY... so potentially it was a somewhat last-minute decision to switch the rewards so that players weren't missing out on something somewhat important for failing this quest.
I'd honestly believe that, and honestly think it was probably the right decision. Just sucks for idiots like me that try to get every heart piece lmao
Idk, I didn't think it was that bad. Trading back to the same guy shows you that it's a possibility. I usually keep three different tradable items and offer all three just to see what they'll give me for them and then try the thing I got in a trade just to see if it's different
it's kinda funny how the most recent era of zelda has zero heart pieces.. yet it's the first time they would actually be really useful beginning to end, because no matter how many hearts you get, there are enemies that'll make you wish you had more. whereas most zeldas, you get 10 hearts, you're immortal.
Well they pretty much do exist but you are given a choice between a heart or stamina and everyone chooses stamina.
And eventually you can and have to choose hearts
And you have armor that incredibly decreases damage,
And you can have multiple pages of inventory full of full heals
Like, the new games have such insane healing that there's no point
Spirit orbs/light orbs are just heart pieces.
@@GKoopa bah, I say! Not nearly the same. You get each one the same way..
@@KairuHakubi No you don't. There are shrine quests that function exactly the same as heart piece quests. The fact that you ultimately get the reward from a blessing shrine is just a way to fit it into the game's narrative but the actual quests are directly corresponding to how heart pieces were earned in previous games.
Honestly? Mentally, I never factored in acquiring Don Gero's Mask as part of the frog heart quest. I considered the masks their own rewards. Although, I think you're correct to put them in sequence as you did.
I imagine for most people they do feel like separate quests cause you can get the mask so much earlier than the piece of heart.
Delivering water to a Goron
Trading with Gorons
Using a Mask that requires the Goron form to obtain
And, I guess a Goron figurine is required for the Minish Cap heart piece, sure, that counts
Rolling bois out here handing out a full Heart Container of pain
LMAO that's a great connection I never realized
Yeah, the Gorons are the worst, and always have been.
Having to remember where the frogs were and realizing that they were important for the first time was a great feeling. That piece is way easier than any rupee quest, and I look forward to the song every playthrough. Plus, fighting Goht is always a treat so there's no problem getting Summer back.
Absolutely agree with you. The journey and the discovery, plus the fun song, is worth it all on its own.
Plus it's so satisfying to hear their song at the end!
Id like to give a special shoutout to the Beedle Heart Container in ST, mostly because you have to spend several IRL days to get it. For one, you get it by spending 5,000 Rupees at the shop, and until near the end of the game whrn you start accumulating Alchemy Stones and Regal Rings to sell to Linebeck for 2,500 apiece, you just don't have the funds to buy a Rare Treasure for 1,000 Rupees every time you see him, so you can only start accumulating points until near the end of the game. To make it worse, though, you can only buy one Rare Treasure for every real-life day, so that means the Heart Container will take probably at least three real days of opening the game just to buy a Rare Treasure at Beedle's Shop Ship. And just to make things that bit more annoying, once you spend 2000 Rupees, every item in the shop is sold for 10% off.
Considering ST is a relatively short Zelda, I just dont understand why you need a time commitment to 100% it.
I never played Spirit Tracks but that sounds so annoying. Almost like how you can only do three trades per day (in-game days though) in Wind Waker's trading sequence. Like what's the point of this arbitrary limiter lol?
Just alter the calendar so you don't have to spend days. I think Phantom Hourglass is worse. Getting the Golden Train in Spirit Tracks, can be acquired by having lots of money and the right treasures which can be done by playing the game normally for the most part. However getting the golden ship parts in Phantom Hourglass can be a hassle since you have to hope that they'll show up in Beedle's ship and they usually don't and you also need enough money to get it (or use a freebie card if you are lucky enough to have one). I can go through an entire week without getting one.
@@MrDrBoi Just use the song of passing. I didn't realize there was a limit.
Right
@@zachtwilightwindwaker596I find getting the ship parts goes faster by just repeatedly speed running the Temple of the Ocean King. There are chests that can be opened repeatedly, some containing ship parts, and the ones you get upon reaching the end appear to yield gold ones more often if you can reach them with full time on the clock.
"Just because I'm bad at something, doesn't make the thing itself bad"
Except for the Harp minigame, that one can sick a duck.
I will defend Skyward Sword's motion controls to the high heavens (and god knows they get a lot of hate), but that f&%$ing harp is the absolute worst.
I've played SS on both Wii and Switch, and I will say that on switch, I couldn't complete the harp minigame with analog controls. It was impossible. So i popped the joycons off and used motion controls, and i beat it first try.
@@jupitersnoot4915 I haven't played it on switch, hopefully the joycons are better than the wiimote in that regard.
I beat it with both on switch and on Wii
The music in the background, the best is LITERALLY the timing of going from one side to the other on the harp
It synchs with the music, you don't even have to follow a patron, it just helps some people
I actually couldn't get the heart piece from the minecart minigame in SS because whenever I tilted the wiimote (I had the golden Motion Plus wiimote), it would go in the opposite direction. I tried restarting the Wii, recalibrating, and made sure I was in proper distance as well as made sure the battery power was fine and it still gave me issues
@@Sora2588the mine cart heart piece is a pain in the butt. You basically gotta be perfect to make it in time
This is very technical, but I'd argue that getting the Don Gero mask and getting the heart piece with the Don Gero mask are two separate quests, considering the mask has utility outside of the frog quest (trading it for the Fierce Deity Mask). I always just get the mask and don't bother with the heart piece.
Technically speaking, you also need the Bow, Lens of Truth, Goron Mask and dozens of other items to finish the frog quest, but in other instances you wouldn't consider gathering pre-requisite items to be part of the sidequest itself.
That's a fair point, though I'd argue those are all mandatory items vs the Don Gero mask which you have to go out of your way for, but I can definitely see that point of view.
Does the Don Gero mask serve any other purpose that you haven't mentioned. I feel that we shouldn't treat the trade for Fierce Diety as a "use".
How many people collect the Fierce Diety mask? Obviously 100% speed runners will, but I'm guessing that any% don't (unless they use glitches). Completionists would get every mask and do the trade in their "casual" games. But I don't think Zelda players are naturally completionists. Most gameplay footage I see has people missing 2-5 heart containers by the end of the game and often missing a number of bottles.
My point being that most players don't view the masks as keys to unlock an awesome power that makes fighting the final boss easier. Instead the masks either have a general interesting use (like the bunny hood) or they're used as a key in one other quest.
If there were lots of frog characters to talk to outside of this quest, then I would agree with your point. But if there aren't, then the mask is just the first key in this heart piece quest.
On the one hand, you can say that Don Gero’s mask is identical to the Couple’s Mask in the sense that their only uses are getting a piece of heart from a side quest, then trading for the Fierce Deity’s Mask, but on the other hand, I don’t think that it’s controversial to say that just completing the Kafe/Anju quest to get the Couple’s Mask is almost rewarding enough on its own given the investment the player needs to put in and the story that the quest tells, where as the “quest” to get Don Gero’s Mask is just “break the pots in Goron Village until the rock sirloin pops out and then carry it to a guy.”
As a completionist, I really enjoy doing the work to get the Couple’s Mask and the piece of heart I get from the mayor is a bonus, where as the work to get Don Gero’s Mask and its associated heart piece is just a means to an end.
hard disagree because i don’t think “can trade for fd mask” really counts as a use, but since they’re counted as 2 different quests in the notebook i suppose i can see that argument
@@MrDrBoi I'd also argue the point of backtracking a little bit. While you are forced to go back into the swamp solely for the frogs (and that does suck that they're in dungeons), you're probably going to need to reset time and refight the mountain boss for the gilded sword anyway. A first playthrough is going to have you reset and backtrack multiple times due to poor efficiency, but a playthough where you know what to do will have you dedicating cycles to multitasking specific quests, with this one being gilded sword and don gero together.
Majora's mask was sort of built on a backtracking system
5000 rupees in majora's mask for a piece of heart is so overly ridiculous. What's even the point of grinding for it.
It wouldn’t even be as bad if the wallet sizes were bigger in MM because of the fact that rupee chests reset each cycle. There’re two silver rupees in the Inn; albeit time sensitive, a silver rupee above the Town Archery Shop in East Clock Town, a silver rupee in the Bomber’s hideout that you can get with bombs or the Blast Mask, and 70 in South Clock Town with the Title Deed or hook shot: one red and one purple. That’s 470 free rupees in Clock Town in one cycle alone, never mind the Laundry Pool rupees, Curiosity Shop, and mini games. But when you need the largest wallet in the game to even hold that many at once it makes for an annoying amount of trips back to the bank to store the money you have so that you don’t lose money by overflowing your wallet.
@@kratal122Or you just go fight that bird near milk road over and over for 200 rupees a pop.
It is still way overkill. 2000 would've been plenty.
In my opinion the single worst heart piece in the entire series (which is technically a heart container but same thing) is the Masked Ship heart container from Phantom Hourglass purely due to the absolutely absurdly cryptic way to get it to appear. You have to play the game during very specific real life time periods. Between 10am to noon on weekends and 10pm to midnight on weekdays, according to the DS clock, Beedle's ship will be replaced by a masked ship where you can buy a heart container for 1500 rupees. The problem is that the game never tells you this or even that the masked ship is something that exists so if you never play the game during these real life time periods then you will never be able to get this heart container. Sure it's not hard to get once you know how to make it appear, and getting 1500 rupees is completely trivial in Phantom Hourglass. But if you don't know then it's basically impossible to find without a guide and even then certain guides don't even explain it properly and just say that the masked ship shows up randomly adding even more confusion to the whole thing.
To give some personal experience, it took me several years to get this heart container even after 100%ing the rest of the game numerous times just because I never played the game during these specific times.
Yeah that is pretty crazy, it's a heart piece dependent on real life RNG essentially lol
I played Twilight Princess for the first time recently (GC version), and I couldn't help but burst into laughter hearing you go on about the rupee donations.
Ever since the very early parts of the game, I had been constantly full on rupees, to the point that it became a constant annoyance for me to find chests, only for there to be rupees in them, and have to put them back. This remained a trend until the very end of the game, where thankfully at the later points, I could just put the Magic Armor on just to empty the chests. There was not a single point in the game where I needed to grind rupees. There's simply way too many the game throws at you just playing normally.
So about the donation part, first, I did the Castle Town donation as soon as I got there (my friend told me to just give him rupees, and I just want to dump them so I did), gave the bugs I had up to that point to Agitha, got the 600 rupee wallet and got that heart piece straight away, then later on the 1k donation followed by the 2k donation in Kakariko (I was trying to figure out how to bring spring water to the Gorons and thought that was the way before realising the barrel delivery thing was right there), and I even deliberately stopped giving bugs to Agitha until near the end of the game when I had them all, AND went out of my way to give hundreds of rupees at a time to the bird in the forest during the duration of the playthrough just to try to keep my wallet empty, and I STILL had too many rupees to where those donations were no issue.
Same here, honestly. I remembered the baby bath water part sucking ass but the bridge you get from the donations was kinda useful and rupees were indeed easy to find. I've never had to truly grind for rupees in any Zelda game as a matter of fact
I once counted the minimum number of Rupees required to 100% Twilight Princess, and came up with 3688. Selling bugs to Agatha gives you 1650, which covers about 45% of that. So yeah, he's definitely exaggerating the Malo Mart grind.
Also that Rupee thing is actually a massive plot hole. Why Midna doesn't shrink all of those rupees with her magic?
Link wouldn't need a wallet in the first place.
For Clock Town archery, were you playing Majora on N64? If not, the aiming is borked because no one properly maps the analog zones for the Z64 games. The main result is that you lose fine control because the zone between deadzone and full tilt is miniscule. Even Nintendo's own rereleases of MM and OoT are guilty of this. It's a known phenomenon in their speedrunning communities and some guy even sells adapters to combat this.
Yeah, even with the trivial route to the goron, that part of the quest is a giant snoozefest.
"What disqualifies the Savage Labrynth from this is the fact you're ACTIVELY engaged the whole time."
*shows footage of a redead taking control away from you
Funny.
Rock Sirloin is always in the same pot. The "randomness" comes from losing track of which pot is which after they start spinning.
EDIT:
Just remembered, Dampé's is the worst because 1) he's so slow 2) reloading the area to speed up the dig rate nullifies the 15-dig guarantee and MOST IMPORTANTLY 3) you can actually permanently miss it if you dig it up and leave the area without grabbing it.
Yeah Dampe is definitely up there, probably my least favorite in OoT. And thanks for the info, I didn't know that!
Its even WORSE on original N64 PAL hardware, because the game is slowed down, _but not the timer._
I could never get this heart piece on the N64, yet on the GC Collector's Edition I got it first time. WTF Nintendo.
I love OoT and MM, but playing them on my Wii U pad is such a pain because the fine control isn’t there.
I have to use Save States to help out sometimes.
I miss the N64 Controller’s precise analog stick control.
I don't know if this is specific to the N64 controller but funnily enough, the Switch emulated versions of these games feel just as perfect as the original releases in terms of control! Aiming and such. I always felt like it was off in most emulation and every other port, but it feels spot on with the Switch N64 controller at least!
Kind of a shame because it requires the online expansion...but it's something.
@@tipperdipper1149 Yup. I got the N64 controller for NSO and it feels amazing.
Yo what a great surprise today. The Minish Cap heart piece video is one of my favorites so I'm hyped for this.
Hope you enjoyed it!
The rock sirloin actually isn't random. It's just that without an indication, you won't know which one it's in once the whole thing is spinning, but there's an easy way to narrow it down. First, before you start the chandelier spinning, Goron roll up and hit the one piece that you can reach; that's your marker. The rock sirloin is always next to that piece you just broke. I keep forgetting whether it's the one on the right or left, but it's the same one every time. :3
Mental note made, this is gonna make it so much easier next time I 100% MM.
Btw, it's the one on the left, also, it seems you can get it without lighting up the torches, as when you first break the first pot, the whole chandelier sways just enough so that with good timing, you can break the left pot containing the sirloin. (saw this on a video).
You can bomb hover to it and roll and also get it, you don't need to be goron iirc
@@DeitySkullKid Isn't that like... harder? haven't tried it, so I can't really say, but having to do a glitch compared to just having good timing does seem a tad harder.
@@Glockenspheal bomb hovering [especially with chus or the blast mask] is super easy in MM
@@epochthekid I mean, yeah, but you still need lots of bombs and bombchus and good timing, it also doesn't work on the 3DS remake, I still think the usual method as you are going to have the goron mask anyway at that point.
The worst part of the twilight princess one is that you need 5 pieces of heart for another heart container so it’s “worth” less than others in the series
Agreed, always found that decision to be a little odd.
I feel Don Gero's quest would have been appropriate for a mask that actually does something cool. On another note, I think it's disappointing how many masks in Majora's Mask have no purpose but to get you a single Piece of Heart. Admittedly they are also collectables to get the FD Mask but I would have liked if more of them had an actual function like the Bunny Hood or the Stone Mask.
Definitely agree, more functional masks would've been great.
That's always been a complaint I had about Majora's mask, each mask had maybe 1 or 2 reasons to exist, and that's not counting getting the fierce deity mask. The transformation masks (besides giants mask) always had WAY more functions to them, which was nice. But other masks.... Wow, they were useless.
Sadly,I think that's a side effect of the game being worked on and released so quickly after ocarina of time. They have the game, I think it was, only 1 year development time. There was only so much you could put in with such a short time in development.
Hard disagree on the frog one.
1) Goht is like top 5 bosses in Zelda history, so fighting him again is always a treat.
2) Running back and forth to do shit is basically MM's whole schtick, and between goron rolling and song of soaring, navigation is pretty smooth.
3) You see the first frog when getting the stray fairy on your first cycle, two are (technically) mandatory minibosses that clearly cut to them turning back into frogs, only possibly tricky one is the Swamp, but you'd likely see it on the boat tour or when water skipping around.
4) The bow / ice arrows basically act as a "warp" as well, letting you bypass most of the dungeon and go straight back to the minibosses.
5) Frogs
Like, literally was replaying it a few weeks ago, and spent about 5 minutes doing it on the side while waiting for my Sword to get upgraded (although I got the mask in a separate cycle, but I also fought both minibosses without a sword, so I feel like those cancel out :P)
The quest is very short and, unless you are a typical streamer who looks at chat a lot, you maybe will miss that Swamp Frog, but its not that hard to find. If anything, the Town Frog gives a clear hint that they hang around fresh water locations.
FROGS!
Your 5th point sold me
Agreed! The reward for this quest is so much more than the heart piece; it's the satisfaction of getting the frog choir together and hearing them! The heart piece is just a bonus.
I know you said skill based ones shouldn't count (for a valid reason), but Octoball genuinely sucks so much and feels completely random at times
That's funny because it's probably one of my favorite HP in the series, the game is fun and while the game seems random, I'm impressed at how accurate one can get with practice.
I dunno, I'm just a big fan of that mini-game.
@@Glockenspheal you know what, that’s fair; I’m glad at least someone enjoys it because you can tell effort was put into it
Is it bad that I genuinely don't remember that mini-game? My memory of A Link Between Worlds is faulty at best already, but this mini-game I genuinely do not remember for the life of me. And I 100%ed the game too.
@@dalejhunter1I 100%ed the game twice and didn’t remember it when it popped up on my third time through LOL
I hated it so much. It was my last piece in that game and I was very close to giving up. I hated it so much, I remember little else about the game.
The heart pieces that are always time consuming regardless of skill are the ones that usually annoy me the most (like the one in your previous video). Putting 5,000 rupees in the bank in Majora's Mask is definitely up there on the annoying list.
I totally agree, had I expanded this video to more than 3 pieces, that would have made the cut for sure. I hate having to grind no matter how much I prepare for it.
You can use the great fairy sword jump slash to quickly kill the bird plus some bow shots when it’s not charging at you
@@FSR-1345Even so that bird only gives you 200 Rupees. You basically have to fill up the entire Giant Wallet 10 times. Sure there are chests you can easily acquire over and over with lots of money but it's still repetitive. That Heart Piece feels like one you're meant to gradually save up for throughout the whole game, so if by any chance you come up short by the end the grinding is just tedious.
@@FSR-1345
You might be better off waiting until you get Chateau Romani and farming with Light Arrows. I forget exactly how it works, but you get purple rupee drops from some enemies killed with Light Arrows. Even then, it's still a slog.
@@wompastompa3692 i already have cheateau Romani since I do every single side quest the moment I can I just forgot about it also I think your on about redeads in ikana castle which drop 50 rupees and are near a loading zone
Dunno, never really thought of the don Gero quest as that bad, it might feel as a small reward but unlike WW's trading sequence this one has more variety in its steps, getting the mask is a unique puzzle using goron link's power and the frogs themselves are pretty easy to find, 2 of them being minibosses makes them literally unskippable, the one in the swamp you also HAVE to pass by and at least hear it during the mandatory boat tour when heading to the deku palace and the final one is the only one you are not required to meet during the story, but it being in clock town pretty much guarantees you will find it while you run about
The only issue is the fact that the 2nd miniboss frog requires you to be halfway into the 3rd temple making it pretty unlikely you find it on the same cycle as your first Goht fight, forcing you to defeat him again, but even then that fight is considered pretty fun and quick
Those are fair points, and I could totally understand why someone would have the trading sequence ranked worse than Don Gero.
Getting all the heart pieces in Twilight Princess is what eventually caused me to stop getting all the pieces of heart in these games. I've beaten every game, but I'll never get all the hearts again.
Twilight Princess really did not need to split the heart container up into 5 pieces into 4. Never really understood why they did that.
I was thinking “the frog quest wasn’t _that_ bad” but then the explanation of how to even get don gero’s mask to begin with started and i was like.. oh, yeah
I really hope the next Zelda game is a return to roots with actually fun collectables. Looking at you Korok seeds...
Agreed. While making this video I got sad thinking about how all the health upgrades are tied to the shrines exclusively, missing getting them from random tasks.
The difficulty (monster damage) is designed with the player getting most pieces of heart in BotW/TotK, while in other Zelda, it is almost unnecessary to get pieces of heart.
But they could add something else than just korok seeds.
Still been honest the quest in both botw and totk have way better reward than in most zelda games. In the form of armor, weapons, and a teleporter.
The nice part about the Korok seeds is that they were mundane enough to sprinkle freely across the map. It's still better than useless rupees for other game's rewards
@@uroy8371 Unnecessary? I dare you to finish OOT with 3 hearts. People are doing that as a speedrun-tier challenge
Bring back Fun, impactful, lore appropriate, magical, and PERMANENT items and pickups
"im sure many love and crush at the clock down shooting gallary" that be me. For some reason , i find it soothing and just sweeping left to right i like in it.
I'm jealous lol I never struggle for too too long but I always fail at least once
As annoying as these are, I'd definitely give a mention to the Maple and Gasha Seed heart pieces in the Oracle games. Both are not only completely luck-based, but getting the circumstances in which they're obtainable can be extremely grindy and tedious if you don't get lucky early on. And let's not forget the agony of either seeing Maple snatch her heart piece away from you or watching it disappear into a pit or some water.
I definitely considered those for this list, definitely the worst ones in the Orcale games along with the Maple one.
I'm glad you mentioned the Clock Town archery game, since that was by far the Zelda minigame that gave me the most trouble. Though being slightly colorblind has never been an issue for me in any other game, I found it really hard to distinguish the 2 colors of Octorocks fast enough.
Yeah I can imagine that being tough if you are color blind. As if that challenge needed to get any harder lol
I could listen to you explain every heart piece in Zelda
Ngl a Heart Piece ranking or tier list video would be cool, though it'd definitely have to be a video for each individual game because covering EVERY Heart Piece ever in one video would be too much.
Insert the dexter meme
13:30 Even as a Majora's Mask speedrunner, I do agree that the Don Gero Heart Piece is pretty bad (although maybe not as bad as the bank heart, but perhaps that's just from a speedrun perspective), but I just wanted to mention that the rock sirloin is actually not random at all, and is in the same pot every time, although knowing that isn't much help if you lose track of it or reload the area (and someone casually playing wouldn't know that lol). But just something I wanted to mention :) very good video!
The only tedious quest that actually bothered me in Wind Waker was watering the Deku saplings. The travelling on its own isn't that bad, but doing it under a time limit made it a massive pain.
I didn't have any troubles with delivering the water in Twilight Princess, and I didn't think spending all those rupees was bad. I'm always glad to have a reason to spend money in a Zelda game.
I didn't even bother with the trading sequence in Wind Waker though.
As for Don Gero, it wasn't too bad. I did it just to 100% the game, and I had already beaten Majora. I think I found the rock food in the first pot (before even considering the Don Gero quest), so that might be one reason I didn't dislike it.
I remember absolutely hating the postman's hat heart piece in MM just because you have to do the kafei quest again just to get a almost useless mask for a single heart piece
Yeah that one is definitely up there too. I love the Anju/Kafei quest but it is kind of silly you have to do it twice to get all the rewards.
Oh god, that baseball mini game heart piece was awful. I hated every hour of it.
I actually really enjoyed it, maybe because I was on a phase where I liked Baseball mini-games (weirdly specific, I know), but I enjoyed how engaging and accurate it was.
All of them are fun challenges, not all heart pieces should be easy to obtain by just climbing a tree
I agree with the second part of your comment, I just felt these three rewards in particular took a bit too much to obtain.
hard disagree on your top pick here.
Finding frogs is child's played compared to 1000 sword strokes without getting hit 3 times.
One is just knowing where everything is and going and doing it, the other is a war of attrition that isn't remotely challenging, but can and will just decide to force you to restart regardless if you so much as position badly at the wrong moment. A successful run is about 15-20 minutes, but it can easily boil over into hours of time wasted tapping B and back flipping and hoping you don't slip in your attack cycles.
And no I really don't think Orca's sparring heart piece should count as a "skill-based" heart piece because even if you do it flawlessly your first try, it's still 15-20 minutes of eroding your right thumb's nerves on the B button and there's not a thing interesting about doing it in the first place.
My thoughts go out to anyone foolish enough to try Orca sparring with L-targeting set to Hold.
I was originally gonna make this list 5 pieces of heart instead of 3 and Orca would've made the list. It's only 500 hits but still brutal for just one measly heart piece.
@@MrDrBoi I keep forgetting how many hits it takes for his heart piece. Guess 1000 hits is just his special easter egg for when he forces you to stop.
Don't you mean 500? I don't think you need to hit him 1000 times.
If it's not remotely challenging why would you ever fail and have to restart it? Lmao get good I guess
@@vtubersubs3803 oh look, someone who doesn't understand what challenging means.
It's not challenging because there straight up isn't any skill involved; it's a mind numbing endurance test that forces you to completely start over if you make a mistake at any three points in the roughly twenty minutes it takes to complete.
It's not fun, it's not engaging, it's just slapping an old man around a room for far too long.
I usually skip his heart piece because sailing the ocean for hours is more interesting.
I totally called Don Gero's heart piece being on the list. Such a pain. Putting aside how long and tedious it is, I've always hated having to revisit dungeons you've already completed.
I was wondering what had happened to you! Great new video and hoping things are well. Always good when new content drops on this criminally underrated channel.
Thanks so much, hope you're doing well too!
Theres nothing more frustrating than when you're stuck in story progression, think you've found the way forward, and then realize you're still stuck when it turns out to be a heart piece side quest.
To be fair, I'd argue the frog choir isn't that bad. Granted it is a lot for a heart piece, but if you know where to go and are prepared, you can easily get it done in about a one in-game day. So if you make good use of your time, it is a decent way to kill time and collect other heart pieces that cycle, such as the graveyard pieces in Ikana Graveyard, The Scarecrow Heart Pieces, the Deku Scrub heart piece or a few things here and there.
That being said, my personal worst Heart Piece in Majora Mask probably has to be the Moon Zora Heart Piece, where if you miss it, you have to reset the entire 3 day cycle to try again.
I haven't done a full replay of Majoras Mask from start to finish, but I remember that one being the one that was the biggest inconvenience. Though I do race to complete Majora 3d on occasion, so there's that.
The piece of heart that gave me the most trouble was the one in that baseball mini game in A Link Between Worlds.
I was stuck on that one for 3 weeks and that was the last heart piece I needed to get max hearts.
I beginning to believe that this might be the most hated PoH in the series. I've gotten many other comments just like yours.
It's interesting how this changed in BotW/TotK. I'm a latecomer to Zelda, so I played BotW first, and then went back to previous games. I didn't even know about pieces of heart! It's really interesting how different the two systems are, though they effectively fill the same purpose and work in similar ways.
You can just find shrines anywhere in the overworld, and the puzzles are fun, but I wish there was more variety in the style than just gray and blue/green. I often have more fun with the ones that require an overworld quest, even if those can be annoying when I'm kind of desperate for hearts/stamina. I like catching a stag to ride in BotW. I like flying through a rocky tidepool beach to direct the wind, I like threading an arrow through two rings in one shot. I do NOT like waiting for the damn blood moon, or waiting for sunrise for a target to light up, etc. In TotK, I like all the flying machines and boats I can build to get the shrine stone from point A to point B, but they do get repetitive after a while.
The weirdest thing is that now you have to visit a goddess statue to exchange orbs for boosts. AND you have to choose between hearts or stamina. I go crazy for stamina every time, because it makes everything (except not-dying thing) easier, and both games are really generous with the healing. I think BotW is even more generous than TotK, but that's just my subjective experience.
When I first played a previous game and I realized that collecting all the pieces of heart meant I just GOT the heart outright, no praying to a statue, I was blown away and a little baffled, lol. It felt both easier AND more rewarding than the shrines, somehow. I don't know how it achieved that, but it did. Again, in my subjective experience--maybe I just got bored of the shrine-ending cutscene and loading screens.
If they just offered a full heart container for these quests they would feel a bit more justified but to do all that work for 1/4th of a heart feels like a waste of time
Absolutely, especially when there are certain quests in some of the games that DO reward you with a heart container.
About time he finally came back to upload the second 2024 video!
Apologize for the hiatus, hope to be back to regular uploads now!
@@MrDrBoi that’s okay my man! I’m so glad that you are safe!
So true with the Don Gero piece of heart. I remember last time I played, the exact scenario played out that you mentioned. I got 4 of the frogs gathered, before realizing I couldn't get to the Great Bay Temple frog in time. Needless to say I never got the piece of heart, lol.
Yeah it's so frustrating that all frogs must be spoken to in the same cycle. Really it wouldn't be nearly as bad of a quest if that wasn't required.
The two that come to my mind as big pains to get are from that music minigame in Skyward Sword in that pumpkin inn, and the baseball minigame in A Link Between Worlds. Both were very finicky minigames that took many tries to finally beat.
These are definitely the two most commonly cited pieces of heart I've seen in the comments. Do you feel the harp mini-game is easier/harder on the Switch vs Wii?
@@MrDrBoi Couldn't tell you that, while I have SS HD on the Switch, I've only ever played the Wii version back when it came out. But I still remember how badly those minigame motion controls felt. The motion controls for the most part felt really good for SS, but that minigame felt broken IIRC.
The clocktown shooting gallery is a lot easier on actual console. It's tricky in general but I only really struggled with it when I first beat it on Gamecube. I had it for N64, but my controllers were so worn out that just wearing the bunny hood I could run at normal speed, while destroying my thumb. As for the frogs, I honestly really enjoy it. I love the backtracking.
To make the Don Gero heart piece even worse, it doesn't really unlock any cool or nifty feature when completed. At least with the Goron on the bridge, it's a means to an end to get the Magic Armor (and a super cheap shop), and the sale trading quest gives you the option to bling out Windfall Island and the Cabana if you so choose to waste your rupees on gold statues. But all the Don Gero quest completion does is let you hear the frog chorus when you get close to the pond... until you reset time.
That's true! And it feels like the Don Gero mask is a better reward anyway because at least you can use it to also get the FD mask.
"unless something horrible happens in the next entry in the series"
glances over at all 120 "heart pieces" in botw
and all 152 "heart pieces" in totk
yeeeaaaahhhh sure would suck if something horrible happened with the next zelda game
Yeah while no individual piece of heart stands out as particularly terrible in those games, locking all heart pieces behind shrines was a horrible choice.
I find the Wind Waker trade quest one funny for one big reason: even if you go out of your way to add steps for the sake of getting all the items for Zunari, you only ever need to go to Bomb Island once in the entire sequence.
I noticed that too lol. I feel like that is almost worse in a way, because a player with no guide will probably waste a ton of time going back there to check for trades that they don't need.
I was actually waiting for you to pull a "just kidding" sort of thing with the majoras mask one. The one you did for twilight princess is far worse than this one.
Nice! What do you think about the best/fun heart pieces??
That's a good idea! First one that comes to mind is the one earned from composing the song for the Zora band in Majora's Mask, but I'll have to think more on that.
@@MrDrBoi I love that one! It's satisfying to play it in a different order each time
Straight up, I'm so glad to see the mini games be an honorable mention.
I turn off the mini game locations when I do randomizers, I hate them so much.
Yeah that'd suck if you had to do the bomchu bowling in OoT over and over just to get some critical item you need to progress.
Ngl those Twilight heart pieces you have to pay Rupees for are some of the few things that actually make collecting high numbers of Rupees feel worth it for most of the game. It's only at the end of a 100% playthrough (I've done at least 4) that I feel like "what's the point?", and the only reason it doesn't happen way sooner is because of these 2 heart pieces using up my Rupees before I hit my wallet max.
Though to be fair, I almost never use the invincibility armor except when I want to collect the Rupees from a quest to get 100% but have max wallet.
If I used it while fighting enemies, maybe I would value Rupees more.
Only place I ever really use that armor is in the Cave of Ordeals, otherwise it sits in my inventory lol
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All of them…💀
Oracle of Ages/Seasons had horrible mini game heart pieces and the RNG ones inside nuts
Thank god the that windwaker STRATEGY GUIDE back in the day
Can't imagine having done this quest without a guide lol
thanks for reminding me of the hot spring water barrel... i completely forgot it existed but now i have memories and flashbacks
The water delivery in TP was never too bad for me. I don’t stop to fight enemies and just kinda keep running and it amuses me watching the bird enemies flap their wings as they try to lock on to me and I’m just ignoring them.
For me, the absolute worst heart piece in TP is the “talk to cats” one. I can never finish it in less than an hour of searching for the aggravating furballs.
Baseball minigame in Link Between Worlds is BY FAR, without ANY competition the absolute worst they ever added!
I didn't play all Zelda games, so I'm gonna say Dampé's piece of heart is the one that I remember as the worst. I think there is a trick that speedrunners use to get that piece of heart much easier, but when I was a kid it just seemed like this hunchback of Notredame rip-off was scamming me out of my money. Went broke a few times trying to get that heart piece. It felt really infuriating.
Babe, wake up. New MrDrBoi just dropped
This is why whenever I revisit a Zelda game I do a 3-heart run. I will collect everything EXCEPT the heart pieces, and I feel that makes the game a lot more enjoyable because you get to skip so many dumb minigames and tedious sidequests, while also making combat and resource management more engaging.
Saying the Don Gero heart is bad is a huge understatement. All the frogs can be found through normal game progression, except maybe the swamp one needing a tiny bit of exploring, and the mechanic of going through multiple days is part of the game itself. I don't think it deserves to be on this list. If anything, the level of randomness of chest game in OoT is more annoying up until you have access to the lens of truth. Then there is the dog race in MM that needs the Mask of Truth to even have a CHANCE at winning the race for a heart.
I for one like the notion of "make it an entire container rather than a piece" for the particularly bad ones, which also allows for the straight-up _total elimination_ of 3 (or sometimes 4!) other pieces in the same game - and I definitely believe many of the later games have way too many heart pieces to collect as it is. I feel like there are many people out there like myself who will fill out the _inventory_ if they can, but find 100%ing the _health gauge_ to be entirely too tedious and monotonous.
you could argue that delivering the water safely is a skill based challenge just like your honorable mentions. the skill being finding a safe rout.
So, I just want to point out that at least for the original Majora's Mask. The rock sirloin is always in the same jar. It's the first one on the left before it starts moving. It's just out of range when it's not moving.
I'm gonna spare y'all the hot spring water quest with a trick my friend taught me after I was in tears over it. Z-target and crab walk the whole time, walking as close to the outer edge as you can. There's only a few enemies that appear there and the targeting keeps them away from you while walking just fast enough to beat the timer. I've been able to do this quest on the first try cause of that tip.
My best friend hates the Snowhead heart piece so much, he has decided it is easier to just write off Majora's Mask as a bad game. I can't seem to convince him otherwise. 🤷
Twilight Princess was always my favorite Zelda game growing up, and bc of the 'strafe around the edge' trick, I never had trouble with the barrel minigame. The sledding one on the other hand...guh. No. Just. No. Worst. Awful. Bleh.
You know, I never had that issue myself, but I'm pretty sure the goron that wears the don gero's mask disappears in spring time while the Vases in goron city stay. So if you discover the rock sirloin during spring time, you can't do anything with it and have to reset time again only to have the dude back XD
That's a great point, didn't even think of that.
Yay, was looking forward to new content from you :) Nice! personally i have to say, the heart piece in wind waker you mention here never really bothered me, since i enjoy sailing so much in that game. But that's just me. And one question, have you ever played (and enjoyed?) Link's Awakening? For me it's probably my favorite or 2nd favorite in the whole franchise but i think you have never mentioned it on your channel... or am i wrong? :D Have a good one!
I actually really love sailing too, guess I just hate be restricted to sailing the same paths over and over.
And yeah, I played Link's Awakening DX over a decade ago and really liked it. I own the switch remake, just haven't gotten around to playing it yet. I'm sure I'll make some content on it whenever I do!
The Skills based one are the worst.
The Shooting Gallery in Majora’s Mask even as a mention? I don’t know man, when you see it also gives easy 200s afterwards, that doubles as some good progress towards getting the bank piece, even if you don’t immediately get the perfect score since even the 50s help to some degree. The pumpkin one wasn’t too bad, though that might be because I had the motion controls down good *enough* to do it.
The Spring Water delivery I remember taking quite some time. All the small little movements and the bit of luck to stay away long enough…all after donating rupees in a game where donating them seems to be the entire theme for other pieces *in a game where it requires five pieces to make a heart.* I really felt some of the more annoying pieces could’ve either been reworked or removed. One thankful note now is that being hit by an enemy yourself causes you to only drop the barrel, meaning there’s a chance you can get some quick distance, slay the nearby enemies swiftly, and return to the delivery for the next wave. Like I said, luck can be crucial.
The Wind Waker Trade Quest is another rupee waster in order to fully complete it with all designs. The one plus is that at least we know Gorons are at least very much alive even now.
…oh. *That.* I’m only going to count what happens after acquiring the mask since getting it is honestly just a case of slightly slowing yourself down on your way to the temple after playing a basic timing and luck game that honestly shouldn’t take too long given you can mid-speed roll to maintain speed and magic fairly easily, doubly saving on time. The Great Bay Temple Frog is just…too much. If the other one was found in another area, like Termina Field in that one little pool, or just in Great Bay itself, it would be a lot more tolerable. Personally I think it’s a side effect of a general reduction in temples, and therefore fewer containers with more pieces to make up for it-think Twilight Princess’s issue but at least *somewhat* justified and it didn’t feel as unnecessarily extra.
The Frog Mask side quest, you can do the Mask part in one 3 Day Cycle.
Do the Snow Temple in another 3 Day Cycle.
Go back to Snow Temple after you completed the other Temples and complete the temples up to a point where you get the other frogs and thaw out the snow land into a grass land, therefore play music with the Frogs.
the waterbarrel: some dev took the majoras mask powderkeg thing and thought: how can i make this infinitely worse?
I love the Don Gero heart piece. It's such a fun little sequence to me. Rememebering and realizing the mini boss in Woodfall was one of the frogs was a nice little Eureka moment. Plus backtracking and information gathering is what you play MM for. In this case its just a froggy little scavenger hunt that you don't go for until you know where all the pieces are. Plus the song is a banger.
I was never a big fan of A Link to the Past, but I will always hate the heart piece that requires you to go through most of Turtle Rock and use the magic mirror on a specific tile outside of the dungeon. I can't remember how long I spent looking for that damn heart piece.
I still think all heart pieces in TP need that extra level of suck because you need more to get a heart meaning getting one from a hard game is even less valuable.
3. Hey, at least you can give the Goron as many Rupees as you want, have, or need to all at once. That man in Castle Town slows your donation to a crawl, as you have to give in quantities of 50, or 30 if you make the mistake of not choosing 50. YMMV on whether or not the donation interface makes getting that Piece of Heart worse than the fact you have to carry hot water across a field somewhat populated by enemies under an invisible time limit.
2. I guess about the only interesting thing about them is that they're the only Gorons you'll see in the game.
I think all my worse ones than the three you covered fall under the Honorable Mention umbrella, and one was specifically cited. You mentioned the race with Yeta, but the same game also had the block-pushing in the rocky area in the north of the section of Hyrule Field north of Hyrule Castle.
Don Gero over Couples? You at least see the frogs in your travels, it zooms in on them and its clear theyre obviously used for something. Unravelling the anju/kafei mess without looking it up or a strategy guide however is far far worse. And as a kicker? If you want both the postmans cap and the bottle in the chain? You get to do nearly the entire quest twice. You mess up the sun mask puzzle? Do it all again. Heck mess up any step do it all again. It is punishing and unforgiving and i will gladly hunt frogs any day over that. Once you have the remains, dipping the dungeons again isnt a big deal.
Tbh, the rupee paywall before the quest in TP as your #3 is frankly a non issue. TP gives you so much money. The game constantly tries money are you, and that’s not even accounting for Agatha. Plus the rupee requirement decreases if you choose to do the quest later on in the game. Plus, as you even point out, it’s basically a side objective in a larger quest
I see your gripe with mini-games and trades but if you've observed after getting all item rewards a heartpiece is usually the reward that signifies you've finished the npc's questline for possible items; play enough Zelda games you realize this and it makes you sure there's nothing else new to get after that.
one of the worst ones possible is in the minish cap, which involves those damn figurines and secret shells! you have to COMPLETE the collection to even earn this effing heart piece
While they aren't heart pieces (or rather, spirit orbs/light of blessing), whoever designed the Highland Stable challenges in Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom can go eat a rock. In Botw, you have to beat a stupid race track time just to get a saddle that isn't exactly bad, but feels like way too little for all the annoyance you have to go through. Likewise, in TotK, it's a sort of obstacle course where you can't let some cargo slip off or you have to restart, and the reward is just some points for the new Stable rewards system.
And what makes it so annoying in both cases isn't just the amount of money you stand to lose, but the fact that you have to REPEAT. THE. DIALOGUE. BIT. BY. BIT. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
For the love of God, Nintendo, just give us a freaking RESTART option or something like that. Unless I'm unaware and it requires a chicken being sacrificed, I seriously cannot understand why they don't let us have such a simple solution; choose to restart a failed challenge. Thinking of just how much time would be saved actually agitates me more than thinking of all the rupees I've lost repeating the dang dialogue.
The cucco minigame piece of heart from The Minish Cap is the worst one in the series
Nah the worst piece of heart of WindWaker is the "hit Orca 500 times" one.
It's not engaging. It just takes forever and you end up messing up just 'cuz it takes forever and it's tedious af.
That homerun durby thing in A Link Between World drove me insane. Took me way too long to get it.
Delivering the hotspring water was very easy for me because I discovered the safe route after failing the first time, so for a long time I thought that I did it the wrong w the first time and the safe route was the correct way of doing it
@14:04- Something similar was used in Ocarina of Time when in Goron City you did have that huge spinning statue and all you had to do was throw a bomb into it and get the right face to get the Heart Piece.
You're so right, totally should've of used a clip of that!
@@MrDrBoi Btw, did you create a video of what you think the best heart pieces to get were? I do hope with the next Zelda game they bring back the traditional way of getting them. That might be wishful thinking though.
I remember I actually managed to hop inside that jar when I was younger because I was curious.
The Deku saplings in WW were worse for me, the combination of a time limit with the water, and having to visit 8 different islands (which you might not have found yet) is worse than the repetition of the trading sequence
I liked the trading sequence xD The "acupuncture" quest with the fish was hard for me, but I didn't hate it and felt proud upon completing it ^^
I actually like the Don Gero quest. Mind you, I don't consider the piece of heart given there to be that important and consider the true reward to be able get the frog to do their little choral while seeing Link conducting it.
The absolute best heart pieces are the ones you find randomly whilst fishing. Also the best bottles.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Goron one in Majora's Mask, where you roll around on the Moon and have to try to get the Heart Piece. I never made it to get that Heart Piece when attempting a 100% challenge
The worst heart piece IMO is definitely the one from OOT in gerudo valley as child link. It’s technically not meant to be possible to reach it as child link but I did by navigating the sand storm and up at the very top of the fortress you can see a heart piece.
Another dishonorable mention for me would be the tree watering in Wind Waker
You have 20 minutes to visit 8 islands which whole they are close to warp pounts is still pretty tight (especially the one on cliff plateau which has the player go through a short cave to get to the tree) esp. in the original with its slower sailing ajd constantly needing to Winds Reqiuem.
Amd if you don't talk to the Deku Tree to tell you where they are it feels nigh impossible to kbow where to go even if you did pass some on your travels.
Swamp shooting gallery in MM is no much worse than the clock town one. With those controls it's nearly impossible to get that piece of heart.
To me, the worst Heart Piece ever in Zelda history is the one where you have to collect every single figurine in The Minish Cap. The only way you can get them is by spending shells to play a gotcha game to get a random figurine of a character, a enemy, a boss you name it. And if you get every single figurine you get the heart piece, but it's luck based and you will constantly get the same figurine you already gotten.
Technically you only have to acquire every figurine available at the time, but it's still terrible.