71000 Duke of Gloucester Lickey Incline and Hinckley

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  • čas přidán 25. 07. 2010
  • The Duke of Gloucester replaced Tornado for this unusual run from London to Gloucester and return. A huge crowd gathered at the Pikes Pool Lane location to be greeted by a whirlwind ascent by the Duke. Yes it was too good to be true, the Duke was literally pushed up the bank by an over-enthusiastic diesel! Not only were the onlookers substantially short-changed, so were the passengers whose Lickey run might as well have been an afternoon spree up the flat Midland Mainline. We accept that the Duke was pulling a very long train and that it was probably necessary for the diesel to do some work to 'pay' for its weight, but this was ridiculously OTT! Thanks chaps! The run through Hinckley station was much better.

Komentáře • 67

  • @acw71000
    @acw71000 Před 14 lety +3

    Excellent work Mike, quite agree with your comments about the diesel assistance. I would have been very disappointed as a passenger. It would have been far better to allow her to climb with minimal or no assistance and call for more power if required.

  • @AndreiTupolev
    @AndreiTupolev Před 14 lety +4

    Didn't sound as if the 66 was full out. I'd say he had the power handle open a few notches, but the Duke was certainly giving its fair share.

  • @KBRAILVIDEOS
    @KBRAILVIDEOS Před 14 lety +2

    Nice video. the 66 did a splendid performance!
    5*

  • @royfearn4345
    @royfearn4345 Před 2 lety

    One-off super power. What might have been but for the over-hasty diesel pilot scheme!

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 10 lety +1

    She also has an amazing ability to throw her voice to the back of the train!

  • @fordlandau
    @fordlandau Před 14 lety

    @steamontheweb thanks for that .. anyway its beautiful photography here and a wonderful loco..hugely enjoyable !!

  • @JIMKUltra
    @JIMKUltra Před 13 lety

    There just has to be a shed. Everywhere you go where there's rails, there has to be a shed. Great video, I'm hoping to catch the DoG this saturday :)

  • @drummerliam
    @drummerliam Před 14 lety +1

    @fordlandau Yes. The Duke has always had British Caprotti valve gear. Residual exhaust steam in the cylinders has to be be compressed up to the inlet steam pressure during the final stage of the exhaust stroke. This is done by closing the valves earlier during short cut offs hence the machine gun exhaust beat!

  • @HomeMoviePerson
    @HomeMoviePerson Před 14 lety

    Fantastic video, I filmed the Duke at Souldrop late in the evening. First time i've seen the loco up front and its absolutely magnificent.

  • @mrhearse777
    @mrhearse777 Před 12 lety

    I read somewhere that the loco was not correctly constructed , and that now it's been rectified . Is this so? It certainly is a piece of mobile history , and well worth a watch. Thanks for this excellent offering

    • @renegadeoflife87
      @renegadeoflife87 Před 6 lety +1

      Yes. The Duke's designer specified the use of a Kylchap blastpipe to handle the sharp edged blasts from the Caprotti valve gear, but discovered much too late in the build to correct it that a standard type had been installed instead. With the incorrect blastpipe, the boiler suffered poor draft and would often belch fire back into the cab making it very unpopular with crews.
      In Preservation, a Kylchap blastpipe was fitted- and the true power of the Duke was realized a little bit behind schedule. Because of that modification, the organization managing the Duke is more willing to experiment with the locomotive than other preserved engines because they are not keeping 100% to historic appearance and behavior.

  • @robmasterman
    @robmasterman Před 14 lety

    More superb footage Mike, and what a climb up the Lickey, assisted or not...Bob

  • @blackcountrysteamvideos8021

    Sounded great at bromsgrove. I’ll never forget travelling from Cradley heath to see this. Caught train to bromsgrove then walked to Vigo. Waited for ages at Vigo. I was the only one there. About two hours went past and I was still the only one. So I checked my phone and realised I was a day late 😂

  • @NN2Blue
    @NN2Blue Před 14 lety

    Excellent video! Thanks for sharing! - Mike

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety

    @KBRAILVIDEOS
    Thanks, and nicely put! It looks as if you were on nearby, hard up against the fence and caught the train a bit earlier.

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety +3

    @fordlandau
    Obviously the Duke would not have stood a chance with 13 on if the diesel had been a dead weight and it was fair that it should 'pull its weight'. However powerful as 71000 undoubtedly is, I cannot believe that she would have climbed so easily by herself - do not forget we are talking about 13 coaches and an extended gradient of 1 in 37. The diesel therefore helped her effort and thereby unbalanced the 'contest' to everybody's detriment.

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety +1

    @MrTllr
    The Duke's perfomance was excellent, so many thanks to your mate, I just cannot believe she could attain 42mph on 1-in-37 with 13 on without substantial assistance. That was the feeling of most people present.

    • @bjoe385
      @bjoe385 Před rokem

      It certainly sounds like the 66 is giving it a decent shove.

  • @Isochest
    @Isochest Před 5 lety

    No wonder that kettle was so fast with that 66 pushing!

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety

    @NN2Blue
    Thanks, glad you enjoed it. We certainly did!

  • @fordlandau
    @fordlandau Před 14 lety

    @drummerliam thanks for the info. This is one magnificent locomotive.

  • @KenBrownekb71000duke
    @KenBrownekb71000duke Před 7 lety +2

    What an amazing display from The Duke! I've never seen a faster steam engine climb of the Lickey, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been a faster climb. Let's get him back on the tracks again and soon! Cheers. Ken

    • @PreservationEnthusiast
      @PreservationEnthusiast Před 6 lety

      Look at that useless loco, needing a diesel to push it along. It should have been cut for scrap at Barry.

    • @teddansonLA
      @teddansonLA Před 6 lety

      Are mummy and daddy not giving you enough attention?

    • @PreservationEnthusiast
      @PreservationEnthusiast Před 6 lety

      teddansonLA Cut this junk for scrap now. Recycle the debris and melt it down to form the basis of useful transport.

    • @teddansonLA
      @teddansonLA Před 6 lety +1

      SteamLocoScrapper it looks pretty useful right now, earning money...

    • @PreservationEnthusiast
      @PreservationEnthusiast Před 6 lety

      teddansonLA A very polluting locomotive which needs to sliced for scrap with cutting torches, and the metals recycled.

  • @brianwalmsley447
    @brianwalmsley447 Před 5 lety

    My favourite train 😎

  • @jamesbelcher8509
    @jamesbelcher8509 Před 8 měsíci

    Duke of Gloucester [Silver Band, voice]
    1:04 [train whistle]

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 13 lety +1

    @JIMKUltra
    Thanks. I did not have time to visit the Lickey Shed

  • @g8ymw
    @g8ymw Před 10 lety

    It was built with the wrong chimney type originally and not enough draughting to the firebox. When she was restored, a Kylchap exhaust built to the dimensions of an A1 was fitted (I think it was opened up a bit more soon after)
    That (together with revised cams on the Capprotti gear) is why she sounds a bit like a Brush 4

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety +2

    @robmasterman
    Thanks Bob, I have to say that I felt cheated! A bit like watching athletics a few years ago - not sure how much performance-enhancing drugs were affecting the result!

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 13 lety +1

    @watchyourtubenow2009
    It was actually the one of the most modern steam locos produced at the time (1950s).

  • @fordlandau
    @fordlandau Před 14 lety

    re the assitance factor: surely however the Diesel cannot be dead weight..it must provide some power to at least to overcome its considerable mass..?
    Does 71000 atill have the British Caprotti poppet valves..the valve sounds seem to confirm this ?

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety

    @stapleford
    It was impossible to say with assurance how much effort the 66 was putting in, but you are correct, they were erring on the side of caution.

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety

    @acw71000
    Thanks Austin. You clearly have to balance the risks of failure and blocking the line with the spectacle. Given the speed they attained they seemed to err on the side of caution at the cost of diminishing the contest. In fact it's a bit like Formula 1! Maybe Massa in the cab should have allowed Alonso in the diesel to pass.

  • @struck2soon
    @struck2soon Před 12 lety +1

    What was the point of routing it up Lickey if they weren't going to let the Duke at least look like it was trying?

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 12 lety

    @Pmarsh1952
    Thanks. We got there maybe an hour beforehand.

  • @MarshSteamVideosTM
    @MarshSteamVideosTM Před 12 lety +1

    Question ? how long was you waiting at your first spot to get a good position to film ?? Great Film Aswell !!!

  • @CrisisOnACanoe
    @CrisisOnACanoe Před 11 lety

    Only problem was a single build error: The chimney - they didn't design it correctly and gave a wrong chimney set-up, causing bad steaming and the discontinuation of this class immediately.

  • @charliegalloway6741
    @charliegalloway6741 Před 7 lety +1

    reckon the duke could have done it unassisted

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety

    @HomeMoviePerson
    Thanks

  • @CrisisOnACanoe
    @CrisisOnACanoe Před 11 lety

    I do not think that the steam engine will be rebuilt with a gas-producing firebox, though it does sound intriguing and more economical, preservation people will undoubtedly despise it.

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety

    @AndreiTupolev
    No quibble about the Duke's performance, but I cannot believe she could have attained the 42 mph I have calculated without significant assistance from behind.

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 14 lety

    @60103Henry
    Thanks

  • @watchyourtubenow2009
    @watchyourtubenow2009 Před 13 lety

    wow that is an old train

  • @keelar001
    @keelar001 Před 14 lety

    @steamontheweb If it means that we carry on seeing steam on the front, then let the diesel push - better that than staggering up the bank, or worse yet stalling...

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 13 lety

    @locomotive67
    Thanks

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 13 lety

    @freightliner86501
    Thanks

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 13 lety

    @SteffanLlwyd
    That would have been nice!

  • @MrTllr
    @MrTllr Před 14 lety

    my m8 he had drive of her and hhe just opened the reg :)

  • @fouloleron2002
    @fouloleron2002 Před 12 lety

    @SteffanLlwyd They still should.

  • @stapleford
    @stapleford Před 14 lety

    Great video.
    I have some video of the lickey with a modern DMU struggling at sub 30 mph to get up the bank under my channel ""stapleford" just to get this achievement in perspective
    Some very hard work from the fireman but sounds like the 66 "insurance policy" was working hard as well!!
    shame it was in the afternoon as planned to detour in the morning that way on way to south coast and itb went through my home town of oakham later
    Oh well another day

  • @jimyoung2188
    @jimyoung2188 Před 9 lety +6

    What spoilt it, That lump of pig iron on the back that's what. If they cant run without that lump on the back they should not run at all, it's not fair to the loco or the paying public

  • @nigelterry9299
    @nigelterry9299 Před 7 lety

    Shame about the box. Duke is barely cantering........

  • @steamontheweb
    @steamontheweb  Před 12 lety

    Yes, very annoying, but not much you can do about it, unfortunately.