71000 Duke of Gloucester Lickey Incline and Hinckley
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2010
- The Duke of Gloucester replaced Tornado for this unusual run from London to Gloucester and return. A huge crowd gathered at the Pikes Pool Lane location to be greeted by a whirlwind ascent by the Duke. Yes it was too good to be true, the Duke was literally pushed up the bank by an over-enthusiastic diesel! Not only were the onlookers substantially short-changed, so were the passengers whose Lickey run might as well have been an afternoon spree up the flat Midland Mainline. We accept that the Duke was pulling a very long train and that it was probably necessary for the diesel to do some work to 'pay' for its weight, but this was ridiculously OTT! Thanks chaps! The run through Hinckley station was much better.
Excellent work Mike, quite agree with your comments about the diesel assistance. I would have been very disappointed as a passenger. It would have been far better to allow her to climb with minimal or no assistance and call for more power if required.
Didn't sound as if the 66 was full out. I'd say he had the power handle open a few notches, but the Duke was certainly giving its fair share.
Nice video. the 66 did a splendid performance!
5*
One-off super power. What might have been but for the over-hasty diesel pilot scheme!
She also has an amazing ability to throw her voice to the back of the train!
@steamontheweb thanks for that .. anyway its beautiful photography here and a wonderful loco..hugely enjoyable !!
There just has to be a shed. Everywhere you go where there's rails, there has to be a shed. Great video, I'm hoping to catch the DoG this saturday :)
@fordlandau Yes. The Duke has always had British Caprotti valve gear. Residual exhaust steam in the cylinders has to be be compressed up to the inlet steam pressure during the final stage of the exhaust stroke. This is done by closing the valves earlier during short cut offs hence the machine gun exhaust beat!
Fantastic video, I filmed the Duke at Souldrop late in the evening. First time i've seen the loco up front and its absolutely magnificent.
I read somewhere that the loco was not correctly constructed , and that now it's been rectified . Is this so? It certainly is a piece of mobile history , and well worth a watch. Thanks for this excellent offering
Yes. The Duke's designer specified the use of a Kylchap blastpipe to handle the sharp edged blasts from the Caprotti valve gear, but discovered much too late in the build to correct it that a standard type had been installed instead. With the incorrect blastpipe, the boiler suffered poor draft and would often belch fire back into the cab making it very unpopular with crews.
In Preservation, a Kylchap blastpipe was fitted- and the true power of the Duke was realized a little bit behind schedule. Because of that modification, the organization managing the Duke is more willing to experiment with the locomotive than other preserved engines because they are not keeping 100% to historic appearance and behavior.
More superb footage Mike, and what a climb up the Lickey, assisted or not...Bob
Sounded great at bromsgrove. I’ll never forget travelling from Cradley heath to see this. Caught train to bromsgrove then walked to Vigo. Waited for ages at Vigo. I was the only one there. About two hours went past and I was still the only one. So I checked my phone and realised I was a day late 😂
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing! - Mike
@KBRAILVIDEOS
Thanks, and nicely put! It looks as if you were on nearby, hard up against the fence and caught the train a bit earlier.
@fordlandau
Obviously the Duke would not have stood a chance with 13 on if the diesel had been a dead weight and it was fair that it should 'pull its weight'. However powerful as 71000 undoubtedly is, I cannot believe that she would have climbed so easily by herself - do not forget we are talking about 13 coaches and an extended gradient of 1 in 37. The diesel therefore helped her effort and thereby unbalanced the 'contest' to everybody's detriment.
@MrTllr
The Duke's perfomance was excellent, so many thanks to your mate, I just cannot believe she could attain 42mph on 1-in-37 with 13 on without substantial assistance. That was the feeling of most people present.
It certainly sounds like the 66 is giving it a decent shove.
No wonder that kettle was so fast with that 66 pushing!
@NN2Blue
Thanks, glad you enjoed it. We certainly did!
@drummerliam thanks for the info. This is one magnificent locomotive.
What an amazing display from The Duke! I've never seen a faster steam engine climb of the Lickey, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been a faster climb. Let's get him back on the tracks again and soon! Cheers. Ken
Look at that useless loco, needing a diesel to push it along. It should have been cut for scrap at Barry.
Are mummy and daddy not giving you enough attention?
teddansonLA Cut this junk for scrap now. Recycle the debris and melt it down to form the basis of useful transport.
SteamLocoScrapper it looks pretty useful right now, earning money...
teddansonLA A very polluting locomotive which needs to sliced for scrap with cutting torches, and the metals recycled.
My favourite train 😎
Duke of Gloucester [Silver Band, voice]
1:04 [train whistle]
@JIMKUltra
Thanks. I did not have time to visit the Lickey Shed
It was built with the wrong chimney type originally and not enough draughting to the firebox. When she was restored, a Kylchap exhaust built to the dimensions of an A1 was fitted (I think it was opened up a bit more soon after)
That (together with revised cams on the Capprotti gear) is why she sounds a bit like a Brush 4
@robmasterman
Thanks Bob, I have to say that I felt cheated! A bit like watching athletics a few years ago - not sure how much performance-enhancing drugs were affecting the result!
@watchyourtubenow2009
It was actually the one of the most modern steam locos produced at the time (1950s).
re the assitance factor: surely however the Diesel cannot be dead weight..it must provide some power to at least to overcome its considerable mass..?
Does 71000 atill have the British Caprotti poppet valves..the valve sounds seem to confirm this ?
@stapleford
It was impossible to say with assurance how much effort the 66 was putting in, but you are correct, they were erring on the side of caution.
@acw71000
Thanks Austin. You clearly have to balance the risks of failure and blocking the line with the spectacle. Given the speed they attained they seemed to err on the side of caution at the cost of diminishing the contest. In fact it's a bit like Formula 1! Maybe Massa in the cab should have allowed Alonso in the diesel to pass.
What was the point of routing it up Lickey if they weren't going to let the Duke at least look like it was trying?
@Pmarsh1952
Thanks. We got there maybe an hour beforehand.
Question ? how long was you waiting at your first spot to get a good position to film ?? Great Film Aswell !!!
Only problem was a single build error: The chimney - they didn't design it correctly and gave a wrong chimney set-up, causing bad steaming and the discontinuation of this class immediately.
reckon the duke could have done it unassisted
@HomeMoviePerson
Thanks
I do not think that the steam engine will be rebuilt with a gas-producing firebox, though it does sound intriguing and more economical, preservation people will undoubtedly despise it.
@AndreiTupolev
No quibble about the Duke's performance, but I cannot believe she could have attained the 42 mph I have calculated without significant assistance from behind.
@60103Henry
Thanks
wow that is an old train
@steamontheweb If it means that we carry on seeing steam on the front, then let the diesel push - better that than staggering up the bank, or worse yet stalling...
@locomotive67
Thanks
@freightliner86501
Thanks
@SteffanLlwyd
That would have been nice!
my m8 he had drive of her and hhe just opened the reg :)
@SteffanLlwyd They still should.
Great video.
I have some video of the lickey with a modern DMU struggling at sub 30 mph to get up the bank under my channel ""stapleford" just to get this achievement in perspective
Some very hard work from the fireman but sounds like the 66 "insurance policy" was working hard as well!!
shame it was in the afternoon as planned to detour in the morning that way on way to south coast and itb went through my home town of oakham later
Oh well another day
What spoilt it, That lump of pig iron on the back that's what. If they cant run without that lump on the back they should not run at all, it's not fair to the loco or the paying public
Cut this polluting steam loco for scrap now!
m.czcams.com/video/UuUhs9CIXgA/video.html
@@PreservationEnthusiast nah
Shame about the box. Duke is barely cantering........
Yes, very annoying, but not much you can do about it, unfortunately.