Updated Horizon Sim 787-9 - ETOPS Insights flying from Melbourne to Auckland | Real Airline Pilot
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Extremely insightful! My instrument instructor always said, if you're not busy during your flight you're doing (or going to do) something wrong. Always something to do on any flight.
Many thanks. A very good refresher of ETOPS. Can't wait until I have my B77F.
I'm sure you'll love it! Also thank you so much again for your continued support!
Thanks for showcasing some of the Australian scenery and destinations! I also can’t recommend Australian VATSIM flights enough, particularly ‘Milk Run Monday’ between Melbourne and Sydney. I’ve been watching your channel since your early videos showcasing the ‘new’ PMDG 737, and I greatly appreciate the valuable insights into real world operations for us flight simmers
the Sydney Habor fly by pop up event too 🥱
Great video! Awesome to see you fly into my local airport/city. Hope you enjoyed Auckland virtually!
Hi Emi, I love it when you fly to my home country NZ. Thank you for your great ETOPS tutorial, and time acceleration in the Sim is a useful tool for long-haul flights. I can't wait for the PMDG 777 (because I love the heavies) and hopefully we will be able to create our own waypoints in that, when planning for ETOPS or simply if we want to for situational awareness. I wonder if true live weather radar will ever be functional in the aircraft - perhaps in MSFS 2024? who knows and I hope MS brings back the flyby camera - I really miss that.
Very interesting explaination of ETOPS and also the comparsion between Boeing & Airbus Aircraft
As always, thanks for the vids. I mainly just keep saying this in order to add a comment and thumbs up on your vids for the YT algorithm 😁
Just trying to do my part
hahaha, thank you :D
This is so appreciated! Even if you don’t use Microsoft sim. It helps with other simulators in the operations of the 787 which to myself is so integrated when I fly, I’m not typically flying I’m just helping the airplane understand what it needs to do. And this video really helps me do that so thank you. Especially coming from a commercial pilot who does this for living It’s very educational and I love these videos. Please keep them coming. Really appreciate your channel as well as content. 👍🏼
I understand this is Microsoft flight Sim I was speaking for myself. I use another simulator still getting my PC ready set up for Microsoft FS 2024
Thank you! Just always remember that I'm not a licensed flight instructor and these videos - as much as I try to make them as complete as possible - are still made for entertainment purposes running a computer game. Your flight manuals will always take precedence.
@@A330Driver I know you’re not. I understand that I meant strictly for simulated purposes only and I do understand why you have to disclose that. Still keep up the great content.
Yaaaay come to gander! Its my home town ❤ thaks for all the etops info brother
Oh and st.johns has amazing health care. Gander as well. Also for the maintenance side, gander shines
A very nice and informative video. I believe you’d need Oceanic Clearance in these routes crossing the Tasman Sea - from Brisbane Oceanic then Auckland Oceanic because there’s no radar coverage over some parts of the Tasman Sea. Interestingly Australia and New Zealand do things a bit differently than the Atlantic oceanic controllers, including the lack of need for readbacks of the position reports and when planning your flight you don’t actually put in the STAR because you get your ‘STAR clearance’ from an en-route controller before you start your descent. So on a flight to Auckland you would just leave AA as your last waypoint without the STAR.
Thanks for the insights!
On the atlantic you don't do position reports anymore, it's all via downlinks nowadays. VATSIM is completly unrealistic in terms of north atlantic crossings.
Basically you check in with the controller "Shanwick, Airline123, Selcal Check, Gander next".
They reply looks something like this "Airline123, secondary frequency 8906, at 30 west contact Gander primary 1234, secondary 5678, selcal check coming up"
You wait for the selcal, then tell them selcal okay, read back your instructions and then it's silence until you call Gander. Same with Gander as well.
Enroute you'll be in contact via CPDLC, where they will confirm your assigned rotue, perhabs tell you to resume normal speed and that's it. Position reprots are not done by voice anymore, they'll simply downlink what they want to know.
Love ur flight. Please do more long haul with oceanic etops and over land etops such as flying over Siberia 😊
1:27:23 Oh, cool! I'm super excited to know Flightbeam is working on KSFO. I have their Dulles Airport (KIAD/KDCA being my home base and all) and it's excellent. IAD to SFO is one of my favorite long-haul runs, so that will be awesome.
perfect video buddy! thanks for ETOP's explanation on this plane
When you can, could you make a video about the correct "go-around" procedure on the horizon 787? I feel like he doesn't really respect the speed limits into missed approaches.
Wonder when they will finally fix that nose coming down. Felt like a butter landing till that nose just drops to the ground. Amazing video love it
Hey Emi. I noticed at 27:50 you mention that the tail strike symbol looks incorrect.
Please correct my arrogance if i am wrong, but is that line your talking about not the TOGA reference line? It is where you point the aircraft during takeoff for optimum climb and speed.
The tail strike warning icon looks a little different. It is a full line with 2 circles either end of it.
Yes, you are right. It not his type of airplane, that's why he has probably missed that.
Do you know if there's a difference between the 737 and 787 in regards to this? I have a couple of 737 manuals - though I never flew any that actually had a HUD installed - which showed that line as tailstrike line. Those were all third party non approved manuals though so accuracy isn't guranteed with those.
@@A330Driver 787 and 737 HUDs use the same symbols. I dont know why any HUD would show that as a Tailstrike Line.
It is the TOGA reference line which is where you should point the aircraft to get optimum climb pitch and speed
Fun fact: you dont need the APU for air conditioning. Its all electric. The only reason to turn it on is in case ground power fails.
Many thanks. I can say from experience that Auckland Airport is well-modelled (flew through it twice in July/August 2022). Only one minor hiccup: you missed the transition level on approach, which in New Zealand is FL150.
mmh, what do you mean with the TL? I was on QNH once below FL150.
In all operations I have flown in yet, be it flight school, Boeing or Airbus ops it was standard to set the altimeter to QNH as soon as cleared to an altitude. You wouldn't wait until TL to set QNH, but set it immediately once cleared to an altitude.
@@A330Driver Sorry, I meant you didn't set the TL in the FMC.
Great video! What sounds did you use? My horizon sim 787 doesn't sound like that
There were rare occasions when I had to flight dispatch A320s from YMML to NZCH NON-ETOPS. (Usually because of INOP APU or 1 x INOP HF Radio). It is a much longer route using YMML, YSSY, YBCG, YBBN, YSNF, NZAA and NZCH as adequate airports. ETOPS is a lot easier..
Sometimes the ETOPS flights dispatched from YBCG to Japan over Papua New Guinea (PNG) aircraft had to follow TIBA procedures due to lack of enroute ATC in parts. (TIBA - Traffic Information Broadcasts by Aircraft).
Nice video, it'd be great to see you fly into Christchurch with NZA's Christchurch Airport scenery!
I'll look into it!
Great video, Captain. Do you think we could have a follow-me car to guide you into the gate next time?
I don't like the GSX follow me car and am currently not aware of any other options. Do you know any good follow-me for MSFS?
Hey great video but I’m pretty shure the Airbus can draw the rings from the fix page. I saw multiple pilots explaining how it’s done.
The small difference between real life and flight sim. In flight sim the FIX INFO page is almost always equipped with the fix ring function. In real life not so much. It's an option mostly new Airbusses have, older ones don't.
And even those which do have a range limit somewhere around 256NM.
Really interesting video, thank you! But I have one very basic question. Why do you care about the entry to the ETOPS segment? Sure the plane needs to be certified, but what would be the actual difference between 10nm before entry and 10nm after entry? I assume in both cases the ETOPS airport (YSSY in your case) would be the most likely diversion… I feel like I’m missing something crucial
Hey Emi, great video as always! Just wondering what turbulence setting you use in MSFS at the moment as I find the realistic setting to be a little exaggerated when it comes to up and downdrafts?
Hi, I vary it depending on the plane I fly. With Fenix I use low, with the 737 I use realistic and with other it really depends on what I'm flying at the time. Realistic is pretty strong, that's true, but not entirely unheared of.
Glad you mentioned the trim down to get the nose down after take off. Seems very excessive..
Great great & great insightful video! Question - why when using HDG deviation (for example to avoid weather) will ATC not be able to see you? (As opposed to LNAV)
Position Reports can only be downlinked when you're flying ON your route, not when flying next to it. The way it works is that the downlink will send ATC the last overflown waypoint with the time and altitude when you crossed it, plus the next waypoint and ETA plus the subsequent waypoint.
However when you don't overfly the waypoint, but pass next to it in HDG mode, your FMS won't recognize it as overflown and thus ATC can't get that into, but when they request the downlink it'll still give them the previous waypoint.
@@A330Driver thank you. Makes so much sense! I would imagine then that flying LNAV (with track deviation) is the ‘safer’ option rather than HDG. I can just imagine the consequences
Ive been flying in msfs for a while and have realized that you and many others have a different cursor style. Its especially noticeable when using the scroll wheel for things like altitude or speedmatch. Is there any settings you changed for your cursor?
Emmanuel, quick question for you. I picked up the same yoke, throttle, and pedals as in your description and have been getting them configured and such. I'm curious, how do you pan/zoom around the cockpit in your videos? Just using the mouse? Your panning and zooming is so precise and controlled, I'm curious if you use controls other than the mouse.
Hi, I'm using the mouse indeed. Only occasionaly when I'm busy with hands on controls I use the button on the yoke to look around.
Welcome to New Zealand! Air New Zealand operates 787's and 777 on AKL-SYD/SYD-AKL :)
Thank you! Qantas also flies the route with 787s before continuing on to JFK. But I wanted to get Melbourne in as I barely featured that airport yet.
Great video thank you! On initialisation in the 787 do you need to enter an arrival runway & STAR? I’ve heard some mixed opinions from real world pilots on this.
Yes. Think for example of airports like Frankfurt; Munich, Dubai, Bangkok, etc. which use RNAV STARs leading you into a downwind or even an S shaped arrival. Those can easily add some 10 or 15 minutes flying time. If these are not programmed into the FMS your ETA and fuel predictions will be way off. Even the information shown on the airlines information systems (not only IFE, but also what they recieve in their ops control) will be incorrect then, leading to incorrect times planned for your arrival at gate, requirement for ground service staff and so on.
All these can only be accurate if the FMS has the best possible idea of what you plan to fly.
Likewise your inflight fuel management might very well depend on an accurate prediction of your arrival fuel.
@@A330Driver thank you. Another super comprehensive answer full of learnings. I really appreciate you sharing all your aviation knowledge, it’s unreal how much there is to learn from you
27:46 it's a TO/GA reference line :) FCOM 10.12.19
You flew out of my home town :) ( whispering ) Qantas doesn’t fly to Auckland form Melbourne in the 787.
Air New Zealand do in a 787 and a 777 :) but who I’m I to judge it’s Melbourne! :) love your vids keep doing what you doing happy flying and you taught me so much on the 737 so thanks love form down under 🇦🇺 and a day before Australia Day :)
For many years, Qantas trans-Tasman routes were operated by a New Zealand-registered wholly-owned subsidiary, Jetconnect, which had its own fleet of New Zealand-registered 737-400s and 737-800s. It was basically a union-busting tactic since the Jetconnect pilots and cabin crew were employed under New Zealand law rather than Australian law.
as qualitywings 787 pilot on p3dv5 I have had made the move to msfs 2020. it was kinda shock for me to fly this 787. Had to realize that the EFB is just 5% working. well I just looking for switching from LB to Kg..any idea? thank you
Is there a sound pack for this? And is this 787 better than the default one that has had huge updates?
28:40 I believe when you did the before takeoff checklist, you didn't actually click "normal" button in the bottom left, which completes the checklist and moves onto the next normal checklist for when you select checklist again, but just selected back on the ND. The plane thinks you had just looked at the checklist, not actually completed it/ticked it off as completed. So now you have started to retract the flaps, it removes the tick for that checklist item as it is one of the automatic checklists, giving you an incomplete checklist.
This was to fix something where autocomplete checklists would be skipped if they were already completed (i.e. if you have flaps set, then do a before takeoff checklist, it would automatically skip onto the after takeoff checklist), so you have to click the normal button to proceed.
Also like you, I notice it does need a lot of trimming, especially when needing to stop at 5000', on a short trip where you are light with a few thousand fpm climb
You don't need to click that button in the real world though, open it, check it, go back to ND and it should automatically advance. No need to click the next/normal button. As soon as the checklist shows completed that's what it is.
@@A330Driver idk, I am not a pilot so I cannot say
All I know is that works for me in the sim, and I think what the sim expects. Whether that is realistic for the 787, I don't know
I don't know if this works realistically, but I think it was to do with a fix they had for those automatic checklists. Ones like the pre flight, before takeoff, and before landing wouldn't show up for you to say "before landing checklist, before landing checklist complete", and would be skipped and go onto the next one. I don't know if that behaves like it does irl, but I know it did that in the sim at some point, and was changed.
@@TazerXI It doesn't behave like that in real life. In the real world it behaves the way I described it above. I'll file a bugreport then.
@@A330Driver That's a shame. As I have never flown anything other than a pa28 for a few minutes, I have no irl experience on these things. I just like flying the 787 in the sim
Before even watching I knew exactly where the plane was from the thumbnail - final 5R over the Awhitu peninsula near my house 🎉 can I get a cookie ? 😂
hahaha, if you ever fly on my airline I'll make sure you'll get two ;-)
When drawing the rings on the ND for the ETOPS, where do you find the information that 430 miles would be the distance flown on 1 engine?
That's part of your airplane certification. You could check it in your planes paperwork.
@@A330Driver
Thank you, so it would always be the same 430 miles and ETOPS planning always calculated at that figure regardless of headwinds or tailwsinds?
Very nice video, just a short question: so everytime after rotating when climbing out manually, the plane pitches up very agressively, so I need to push the yoke almost completely forward to hold the plane in a climb rate under 5000 feet per minute. Trim is set correctly and everything is done like it should done. Is that a bug and did you ever noticed that?
I never had that and it certainly does not seem normal. Sounds like your trim setting is not correct for the actual load and balance. How do you load the plane?
Just with the simbrief intigration, but i didnt use the horizan 789 profile on simbrief, maybe thats the problem
Hi, how would you say this plane compares to the ini A300 in terms of system fidelity? I'm trying to understand which one is the most in-depth simulated long haul airliner for MSFS at the moment, thanks :)
Well, they're kinda completly different aircraft since the A300 and 787 are apart by some 40 years, so it's somewhat unfair to compare. However for as long as we take PMDGs BBJ aside I would say the iniBuilds A300 definitely wins it as long hauler.
@@A330Driver so then A300 it is, thanks! hopefully we won't have to wait much for more modern in-depth long haulers to come out
@@matteolosardo I know that at least one is on a nice way ;-)
hey captain i have a quick question which soundpack are you using for the 789 like ftsim?
Hi, it's FTSim+ indeed.
@@A330Driver ok thank you
the thrust TOGA bug when vacating runway is still not fixed unfortunately, that is a common bug
glad im not the only one experiencing it. Feeling a little vindicated
Hey. A question. What sensitivity settings in MSFS are you using for the Horizon 787? 😊
Hi, they're all in neutral.
@@A330Driver Neutral? So you mean default MSFS settings? I am asking because I had problems at takeoff with this one. You had to be really careful when you rise the nose. Otherwise you get really quick a tail strike.
And yesterday it could not manage to follow the localizer correctly.
With the Fenix A320 or the PMDG 737 I never had something like that. 😅🫶🏼
@@yodasaviationchannel yes, default. You need to be rather careful indeed. If that's realistic is something I don't know since I've never flown a 787, but remember it is a full fly by wire aircraft so technically speaking any nose up command on the control column could already be interpreted by the computer as "I need to give as much elevator up input as required to get the nose rising".
@@A330Driver thank you. I like your videos keep it up 💪🏻
44:10 When I try to enter coordinates in the FIX page of the MSFS PMDG737 I just get invalid entry. My workaround was was previous way point + heading / distance to ETP1.
Does the PMDG737 not support coordinate waypoint fixes?
It does, but you can't enter them on the FIX page. Use the LEGS page to create the waypoint, then enter that waypoint in the FIX page. You can create the point on the LEGS page by inserting the coordinates, but without pressing execute.
@@A330Driverjust tried and it works. Thank you for the info and videos!
which ofp layout are you using for the flight plan?
It's the Lufthansa (DLH) layout.
I truly wish my APU switch worked. I tried many times uninstalling and reinstalling, updating but still no go!
It works really fine here. Never had a problem with it. But do head over to the Horizon Sim discord, there's some great help available there.
Does the 787 have a cargo variant livery for fedex? Or do the windows still show
Is there even a real world cargo version yet? I don't think so.
@@A330Driver ….hmmm, maybe not. I googled fedex 787 and it came up with images, but maybe they were just concept images
777s,767s, A300s, and md-11s are what makes up there widebody fleet
@@brantoomey2944 ….thanks. That makes sense. I was thinking when I saw the pic online that it was an awfully nice plane for cargo. Lol
Is there a way to do custom wing views in this aircraft?
I'm afraid I'm not an expert on wing views, it might be easier to ask in Horizon Simulations Discord channel.
Great, thank you! 😁
The update can I download from flight sim?
yes
Why do you need to trim the 787? I thought it's fbw.
FBW simply means that the controls are connected by electronic signals with the control surfaces, it does not imply anything about the philosophy of controlling the aircraft.
When I had the change to talk to Boeings Chief Pilot of the 737 MAX fleet he once told me that Boeing designs their aircraft to fly the way pilots expect them to fly. And pilots expect an airplane to need trim as that is what any airplane needs. So Boeing designs them that way.
Embraer aircraft for example are also FBW and also need trim. It's really only Airbus that went for a full auto trim.
@@A330Driver very interesting. Thank you for the detailed explanation! :)
Please tel me how to set it in kg
Set your sim to KG
This plane has probably the crappiest physics of all. Also why does it have an airbus callout for V1 ?
That's a very detailed explanation of what you think could be improved.
It reminds me fs me of gta flight physics