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A͏s͏mongold Reacts To "The 10 Biggest Changes In Burning Crusade Classic" | By MadSeasonShow
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2020
- Asmongold watches a video by MadSeason, who tells us about the 10 biggest changes we can expect from Classic WoW to its next natural iteration: Classic TBC...
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Thank you all for watching! Asmon had to fulfill his raid obligations but you can still finish MadSeason's video right from where he stopped czcams.com/video/CKxHOG2qakU/video.htmlm40s Make sure to go give him a big thumbs up!
Asmon and Madseason are the probably the top most enjoyable content creators for WoW!
ASMONGOLD CAN YOU REACT TO "TBC THE MOVIE" PLEASE, VIDEO FROM 2006, ABSOLUTELY AWESOME !! :)
Honestly, combine massive world buffs and skill, classic equal easy.
Saying world buffs wont don't contribute to making classic raids easier, is like saying drinking alcohol wont get you drunk.
Tbc was one of my best exp since a kid. But loved/hated the flying to evade world pvp. Also exploited it sometimes as druid with daze effect on flying until a patchfix(could put up flight form in combat and moonfire ppl high up in are to daze them, so they did fall to death and cast flight before i self landed on ground). The zones where great. I liked the dungeons, hc was new. Never got in to arena back then or raid. Lately i dislike the flying more and more. But for a tbc. If they did bring the anti flying net gun from bfa to a tbc game. That would be quite intresting.
My greatest moment in TBC was when I found out you could enslave one of these huge pitlords at the demon base area. I just went on a rampage and killed every alliance I saw with a huge elite pitlord enslaved to me. They ptached that 1-2 months after.
Mannn TBC was my introduction to WoW, I didn't know much but enslaving every demon on my warlock was the first thing I did in Outland 🤣
TBC is when I started to play wow, like the day it came out. I cant wait for this!
I don't remember when i started, but i was about 6 years old back then. If there's one thing i never got to experience, it was zul'aman with the legendary Zul'jin. That is literally the only raid i'll be excited about doing.
@@LichlordKazam I did that instance (I was 11 at the time) and it was pretty damn awesome, I remember there was this NPC bangin some drums in the beginning lmao and some awesome animals.
@The Thunderblade play it noooow, it's callin for you, this is your opportunity!
@The Thunderblade What seems to good to you rn, Shadowlands? Shadowlands is just BFA 2.0. It looks 10x better and they have removed shitty systems like azerite, essences and corruption. And they have added shitty systems like covenant abilities and conduits.. for now, will probably add more systems in patches. I dont understand the hype, not even a new feature to the game. Still even got talent tree from MoP and the unpruning is laughable. Only enhancement shaman feels different at all. Shadow priests got an overhaul but still feels the same gameplay wise. Oh, forgot to mention that they cant even balance 12 classes, yet chooses to add more systems in top of those that needs balancing. + 200 "legendary" items that needs balancing.
Even tho legendaries should be OP and broken asF but obtainable by few people and late in last patch when no one really gives a shit anymore.
@@Raffalius chill dude
Just a small thing before I watch it. I started playing in BC as a kid on my uncles account and I absolutely love the blood elf music/starting zone and most starting zones as they're all nostalgic and make me happy and it was so fun and nice.
Saaame
Same thing for me but with my night elves and draenei
those starting locations bring us those great cozy vibes
Not gonna lie, I watched Madseasons video and just thought: “I’m just going to watch this a second time when asmon reacts to this. But... he puts in the work so he deserves the views.”
LOL same
sad
Same. I actually subbed to Mad and a few others months ago because of Asmon. I'll watch their videos then watch the reaction to get Asmond's perspective (and sometimes a funny anecdote as well) on the subject matter.
Glad to see I am not the only one doing this! Asmon I think does a great job exposing those that need more exposure in the WoW community
I get to enjoy watching it the first time on my own, then enjoy asmon and chats reaction. It’s getting twice the value out of 1 video
TBC was my first time playing WoW. I had a shitty laptop that would bluescreen when I was questing so getting a second opportunity to experience TBC would be amazing
TBC was my best time playing wow, I was just finished high school and have a year until going overseas for university, during that time China has TBC for a year I think, US was already lich king. Playing arenas and talks with the boys everyday, made some great friends during that year, still playing with some of them now, you get old in real world but when you with the boys, you feel like you never aged at all.
The internet & hardware limitations back in the day, made the original versions much harder. Also, the lack of internet guides/content for strats. They had to figure them out as they came for most progression guilds
What?
I loved JC, picked it up from almost day one. It kept me in gold forever, as long as you kept up with the meta and newest recipe's.
What's JC?
@@Mecanotech Jewel crafting.
'Bring back attunements, and make them account wide'. I absolutely love this.
I remember stacking armor pen as a feral druid xD . Fuck, it was fun, lol! "Hi, healer. Bye healer.).
I missed Reforging/Gems/Valor upgrades from MOP, seemed like such a good system to keep invested in your gear.
peicewetan reforging was great. i dont get why people got pissed about it. so what if u use an addon to auto reforge
@@WINTERGRIFT Reforging was great, imo too. No need to randomly acquire the best stat just change it.
So i never played old wow and recently tried classic after reaching max level in retail and the best thing so far for me is free choice over abilites instead of preset stats/abilites
I miss gems so much they were so good and fun cause your gear was way more customizable
Love Madseasons channel. Love his humor. Been watching his channel for a long time.
I don't like when people say there is a skill gap between now and then becouse the only gap I see is a knowledge gap.
Yes and no, in some ways knowledge is skill, to me it seems more like two ways of saying the same thing really.
The difference is that we are on 1.12 and the way they released things in classic. Layering and the big population on servers have brought a ton more gold into classic than was in vanilla as well and has given people so much more access to things they wouldn't have in vanilla. My guild in vanilla was so much better than most of the players I've played with today.
MadSeason's voice is so quiet. He sounds like he's trying not to alert his enemies around the corner.
I remember when resilience affected mobs. In TBC/Wrath, with a good healer, I could just put on my PVP set on my ret pally and tank myself. It was pretty sweet.
I feel like gear in burning crusade was absolutely perfect. it was not over the top and it really made your character stand out. If you saw a hunter with vengeful gladiator gear coming at you then you shit your pants coz that dude gonna melt you.
I remember buying helms and shoulders first in every pvp set because it increased the intimidation factor massively
im here after blizzconline and love how everyone is saying BC is gonna be stupid easy and while it will be alot easier than 2007, the pre-nerfed bosses and mobs are gonna pose a somewhat decent challenge to newer players and makes raids more entertaining than Vanilla
very excited for TBC, best expansion IMO
@@Mcdude02 By far the best xpac. FACTS.
Never played bc, but have been playing vanilla for years now. Extremely excited for BC, just everything about it looks great
@@Mcdude02 You seem like the type of person that goes into it predisposed, so whatever confirms your bias best, I guess. Older installments of WoW are great for players who are creative and don't have a short attention span and/or for people who value player skill in pvp (not really in Vanilla this last bit). Each of them has something unique to offer.
Wonder how many people actually remember there used to be tornados that spawned after a while in nagrand arena in season 1
Way late to post, but i definitely miss all this. As a fury warrior, spending my days doing napkin math to figure out my gems and enchants to get hit capped, get that 33% crit for 100% flurry uptime, and pouring the rest into armor pen while planning out my upcoming week for getting keys and attunements was enjoyable. Like the idea of needing keys to run heroics or even just certain dungeons was great (shattered halls and arc needed their own keys just for normal difficulty). It gave a sense of accomplishment and progression. Honorable mention to the badge system where you always got "something" from your runs and it didn't feel like you wasted your time if an item you wanted didn't drop.
The quest hubs with reputation were a nice touch heck i stayed in zangermarsh and shattrath far longer than i could have i wanted those trinkets and mounts.
I had a SV Hunter in WoTLK with 100% ArPen...he was VERY fun to play LOL Then later they changed how Explosive shot worked...and that really pissed me off...
My guild and I mananged to kill Illidan pre nerf in TBC.
32 minutes that fight took, and it was my greatest WOW memory to this date.
Then they nerfed him, and it just wasn't the same.
im a retail andy, but the thought of clearing BT, getting double legendary glaive as rogue, almost makes me drop everything on retail and hard focus tbc. This comment just motivates me even more
@@TripleBeamDreamin I'm a total retail Andy too my friend.
But if they release TBC classic all pre nerf, then I'm gonna be on that quicker than you can say "You are not prepared"
It was just a great experience defeating Illidan at that point in time, and for me, he was the boss I had set out to kill when the game got announced.
I've not been in a better guild since then either. What a great community it had back then.
One of our rogues actually managed to get one, so hats off to ya if you do get two.
The atunements also felt like a feat of progression.
I must say, definitely my most favourite expansion, and my ex girlfriends least favourite lol.
32 minutes, did a bunch of people die?
@@DriftNick Some did lol.
I'll make jewelcrafting asap in BC, best prof ever
Bt and Sunwell was perfect difficulty. So fun. Pre nerf sunwell was brutal
TBC is pvp first, BG and arenas, then the pve, the day the stupid ppl get that, the bc would last forever.
11:00 Would love to see all stats brought back, build your own spec on type of content and style of play
i cant wait for bc or wotlk i wish it was already out
For all of you wondering @4:00 that music is NOT final fantasy... it's ChronoTrigger
5:57 you and millions of other people. Literally.
also asmon cearly doesnt remeber what it was like raiding in tbc because he was raiding karazhan all of tbc, but the level of consumables and buffs in tbc was crazy, you could easily spent over 100% of time outside of raid farming for consumes and still not have enough for one raid night
I gotta comment on the guys usage on SNES music. Awesome!
A lot of youtubers use Donkey Kong music since it is royalty free.
@@Bollibompa True. Been watching a lot of the Madseason Show since I posted this and he uses a lot of SNES music outside of DK too. I hear Chrono Trigger, Super Mario World. It doesn’t fit the context of WoW at all but I love hearing it either way. :)
Fighting horde outside in Nagrand while waiting for arena was the best shit ever
Whole TBC Nagrand pvp was great.
Ret Paladins in TBC had a talent that made whatever they were hitting take 4% more critical strikes from the entire raid. So even tho they couldn't dps as high as a Rogue or a Hunter (on demon/undead bosses they could top dps with exorcism tho), it was worth having 1 always in 40man. Asmo mentions this around 3:50
I know I say it all the time but I'm so happy madseason finally got all the attention he deserved for his videos.
And yet here you are watching it on a leeching channel who makes sure he doesn't get revenue from the views here. I'm here too but I'm just sayin'.
@@nicklasabrahamsson8836 Yeah because it's impossible to watch a video multiple times, I have notifications on for him and been watching him for years already why would I suddenly stop doing that just because asmongold is gonna react to it at some point.
@@nicklasabrahamsson8836 how is it leeching when content creators hes watching allowed it + youtube analitics clearly show asmon reacting helps a smaller content creator get exposure?
Please enlighten me
When (BC) Draenei released, my friends and I made them just so we could have "Giant Shoulder Pads" like the Horde did with Tauren and Orcs, lol. Anyone remember when Orcs had a bug that made their shoulder pads less than half size for quite a long time?
I miss tbc paladins.
Flying, i can do without :)
@Le Tigidou Problem is that no one chooses to not use flying, and that ruins the game. There is no world pvp at all, and that ruins the whole point of even having factions at all. The best part about the game was always being on edge while leveling up, because there was always danger around the corner.
Problem is that people who want flying doesnt even know that it's ruining the game.
@@Raffalius Flying really wasn't an issue in Outland. It was too expensive to get, and you needed to be level 68(?) to get it. Meaning most wouldn't be able to afford it before having been level 70 for a good while already. People had plenty of time to level up to max level without getting ganked in leveling areas. I mean, sure, it could still happen, but it wasn't a major issue like it was in parts of Classic. There were actual World PvP objectives on the map in Outland as well, incentivizing doing your PvP action in that area.
Gemming is fun - but the color matching system was useless, as no one did that outside of rare occasions. You just stacked your best gem (stam for tanks, for example) in all slots regardless
also I feel it's worth mentioning that parse culture 100% came from retail tier logs, server side logging on private servers wasn't anywhere near this obsessed over and people preferred clear speeds over DPS logs generally. most guilds that get all world buffs don't even use them correctly and waste half of them on distributing loot, as a result the time to clear for these guilds DOES NOT IMPROVE WITH WORLD BUFFS WHICH IS FUCKING LUDICROUS.
I started with BC so there will be my memories
I like and loved Jewelcrafting back in the TBC days, because it helps you to get the last points für Crit Immun as Tank or Reduce the Parry of an Boss to 0%. But a Holy Paladin ... yes what do i fit ... uhm i can get extra +3 Crit Rating when i match Red and a Blue Gem ... uhm ... Red Int yes that is easy ... and Blue ähm ... wait ... yes Int because Int is the best Stat for me. And oh blue and blue ... Int and Int =).
The Problem was also, when you dont need to get Stats like Tanks, you only need to put in the BIS.
Funny thing is the GM of my guild in Classic is a Retribution Paladin and he got full tier 2.5 now.
I miss straight zurging a horde town back in 2005 lol
Asmon is exactly right.. everyone has the game on a timer now, whether it’s with addons or whatever, they are all sweats so they watch the world buff timers, the black lotus timers etc and have all the gold and the world buffs they can, sure they are pressing execute right when it flashes on their screen but it’s because of the timers..
"that's where I come out ahead" lmfao fucking pissing myself
i have the ultimate PvP gear solution:
gear you earn from PvP should be slightly worse than gear from PvE of similar difficulty level but come with special gem sockets. you can stick PvP-only gems in it, which increases damage done to members of other faction, including guards. you buy these from pvp vendors and earn more by having a higher ranking in rated arena and RBG.
so say you're a PvEer in top 1% of the world, and your gear makes you do 100 damage per hit (just simplifying stuff for the sake of explanation) you enter a BG and still do 100 dps.
but if you're an alliance PvP player in the top 1% of PvP players and bought your gear from PvP vendor and haven't set foot in a single raid, your gear does 80 dps. BUT IT HAS A SOCKET! where you can put a gem that makes you do 70% extra damage to horde members. so you enter BG and do 136 damage.
now you might be ganking some orc in orgrimar and a guard jumps in to help him, you're gonna wreck them both because you're just that good. but if you go to raid mythic nzoth, your gear is doing 20% less DPS than the dude who is doing a lot of PvE and has proper gear for that.
@elitist douche bag no resilience doesn't scale well.
a specifically pvp player should feel like a god in world pvp and suck in raids.
blizzard actually quotee Illidan wrong. what he actually said is 'you are not repaired'
Ret paladin in BC is one the best sleeper classes in pve. Crusader strike refreshes judgment of light and wisdom on the target regardless of who cast the spells. unfortunately that meant all you needed was 1 ret pally in your entire raid.
Wouldn't the inclusion of specific affix stat sloting for crafting items make it the perfect time to re-introduce additional bonus stats like arm pen/expertise, etc again?
The gem changes really upset me. I was really excited about jewelcrafting as a profession. It was a neat RP thing for me. The changes dumpstered the complexity and unique nature of the profession.
i still remember me and lock friend getting to 2200 , also fly by ganking.
I did arena and got the Paladin Ret pvp set, the Recess Pieces looking one. I did alright, mainly like surprise Ret while I pretened to be holly. One of the few fights I clearly remember, five man fight, down to me and our rouge, their warrior and mage. I died with the mage and warrior right next to me. They were both very low health and immediately started to bandage.. on my consecration... tik, they stopping healing, look at each, and get GANKED!
Can't wait till BC comes back!! By far the most FUN xpac in the game. When they added the gem system to the already awesome enchanting system it made the game feel so good and personal just like you said! I can't wait to level through BC in this new xpac, but once CBC hits that's all I will play. I never did take down Illidan before Sunwell dropped, our guild was 11/12 in BT and just kind of disbanded before wrath. Will love to run my resto shammy through Outland again and feel normal.
Burning Crusade was my first WoW experience, so this would hit my nostalgia-bone much harder than vanilla did
Why did you cut out the rage part with the world buff layering? It was amazing to watch.
My guess us to use it for a compilation
@@MrBlake6332 Aha, that could be it idd!
I used to love being a T5 holy pally with a boomkin and shadowpriest in my party. The amount of mana regen.......
Those were the days... That feeling when I finally got my shitty slow speed mount, and then the 280% speed mount...
Murakami It was such a huge difference. Nowadays its so easy to get the fast flying mount, you dont even enjoy it
Resilience made pvp gear so op
People who had the most resilience had good damage resistance
I agree, lower the Ilvl increase between raid difficulties and new raids + remove LFR and bring back attunements and make them account wide. That would solve so many issues and add longevity to the game, You would want to do old raids cause the gear would still be kind of relevant at least the best pieces for your class and you would need to it for attunements. I think that would be awesome. One of my favorite titles ever is Hand of A'dal even tho I never got it. Cause I knew what it meant.
Playing with ilvls is too big and risky a variable. They shouldn't touch that at all
So loved the systems in BC. Classic is awesome, but if there wont be classic extended, this is the best thing.
That fucking guy in chat...
“FF14 MUSIC!”
Pretty sure everyone had the crystal forged war ax lol
The Gems made doing heroic dungeons rewarding also, where as in classic atm I get so bored at 60 as pve is pointless apart from raids once you got a bit of gear. The only thing that I want from dungeons atm is the mount from strat but i am not gonna run it 1000 times to see someone else win the roll when it finally drop.
I raided hardcore during vanilla and BC, Illidan was the best fight of BC by far, Kael was cool but kinda easy
Not even classic was pre-nerf, we spent like 2-3 months running the original BWL first boss 4-5 days a week. It was beyond hard, we wiped at least 100x to Valestraesz.
I was more excited for corecraft than I am for actual bc release... different point in life I guess.
12:20 yes i agree with you, also makes jewelcrafting atleast a bit usefull again and not like now where the stones are worthless since first you got almost no sockets and second if you ever get to ahve a socket you will probably have it forever which is filled with one stone worth 30g :D just disgusting.
Crystalforged War Axe is a fucking legendary item
Holy shit
"You have to get them gladiator for that"
moonkins role was pvp
the reason i cant wait for tbc is for the biggest part "ARENA" and Bosses are not made for 3old toddlers...more like for 12y old kids BUT STILL HUGE IMPROVEMENT
6:39 to 6:58 Fucking perfect i had to stop the video because i couldnt breathe from laughing and 21:28 - 21:55
Definetly more excited for tbc, always was. It's just a better game in general , brings all the positives of vanilla without the stupidity
The only reason you say that is because you don't care about MMORPGs. You just care about the expansion model. The expansion model changes the fundamental nature of the game, and many of the outcomes of TBC were just that, gameplay changes that could only fit an expansion model, and this is what you were always attracted to. You were never attracted to MMORPGs.
@@Orphan_of_Kos_or_some_say_Kosm that's a really illogical response...what are you even talking about, classic is a flawed game that has some really fun elements, all tbc did was smooth out the systems....make the game more challenging and actually allow the classes to be played on more than 1 spec ...
Orphan of Kos or some say Kosm butthurt classic fanboy
patch 2.3 is when Blizz did the big nerf to bosses in BC, because sunwell was wrecking guilds rofl.
I loved resilience, PvE players could still oneshot with very high end gear, so I don't see the problem.
Moonguard ERP was around back then...
The best proof the raids were hard back then is the 40 Druids attempt to clear MC - that was equal level of dmg/healing of players back in vanilla.
Here here I hate world buffs to
aaaah tbc...
where mages had to tank in gruuls raid and warlocks had to tank illidan..
how i miss those times
Players are better today, world buffs do make things way easier. But the main thing is the content is already known, the meta is already known. Bring BFA raids out again and they will be downed in no time as well.
I would love to do original cata dungeons again holy fuck
I was a balance druid in BC. AMA.
TBC > CLASSIC
damn @8:50 seanglendo2: Will reckful come back for BC? fucking sad. rip
I am more excited about TBC because I feel like I did everything I wanted in vanilla, I've killed all but 10 bosses in the game, C'thun + 9 bosses in naxxramas are the only ones I'm missing and I can do without them. so what I'm going to do, is level up my hunter, farm gold for mounts and stuff like that (I think epic flying was 5000 gold right?), need to farm that shit. I'm making a warlock alt in tbc to go PvP, SL/SL warlock in TBC PvP was the bomb :D
15 years ago I don't feel like people knew that Ret Paladins, Balance Druids, and Shamans were meme specs. They seemed super common, and no one really ever said anything about it. I swear I didn't even know Paladins could reliably heal during vanilla, and only saw it after the classic re-launch.
Ha... we 1 shot all bosses at AQ40 and we raid with 2 Ret pallys, they do awesome.
All the best PVP comps by the end of TBC were burst comps. Beast cleave. Rogues. 5 Ele Shaman multiboxers. Resilience was utterly useless, just stack damage. And the busted world of resto druids which were never fixed till wotlk.
enhancement shamans also made fun of in vanilla.
They still have not released Naxx yet, and people say its easy :)
I will def play Classic TBC nostalgia right there
Asmongold Does not like the complications of stacking world buffs. But Loves the complication of attunements. For the exact same reason.
Protadin trivialized TBC. ESPECIALLY goddamned Hyjal. Also lul at needing an incredibly geared Protadin to have a chance at Felmyst.
Idk about you guys, but I had to bring flasks and tons on mana pots if i wanted to raid in tbc
Full resil hpally was so fun.
BC is definitely where my prime time was. My most golden moments of raiding and having fun were all during BC. Seeing this just makes me feel like an old warrior (which the class of my main character was!) memorizing their time in battle. Part of you is still on the battlefield. After being so familiar with it you feel slightly incomplete without the battle... I know that sounds so fucking cringe and nerdy... but it just feels pretty real.
That Chrono Trigger music...
Ahh the chrono trigger music 🎧👌