The NBA GOAT Debate 🐐 Michael Jordan vs. LeBron James |
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- The NBA GOAT Debate 🐐 Michael Jordan vs. LeBron James | #Greeny
Mike Greenberg takes a look at the NBA GOAT debate between Michael Jordan and LeBron James.
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"There's Michael Jordan, then there's the rest of us" - Magic Johnson
The rightest answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Facts he not human
Reggie Miller also said that too
Jordan took a 2 yr hiatus from basketball and chose a sport that did not require the athleticism of speed, stamina, agility, jumping, and lateral quickness. Further, playing a sport where your lack of skill would not impact a game allows for much downtime and a more relaxed mindset. MJ is not the GOAT.
@@1212CSmith dude he took two years off because his father was kill he 3 peat before he left then came back and 3 peat dude since Jordan is not the goat who is. Please dnt say lebron because he is not. He is the best overall player ever but the goat is Jordan. Most sports analysts who talk about basketball agrees. I'm talking people like Stephen a Smith those type of analysts
Michael jordan made NBA popular for the rest of the world, the most entertaining player ever, his hype, his hunger to win is unmatched.
without social media....let that sink in
@@anthony8745 This is a big one. No internet everywhere, no social media. It was word of mouth.
Because he was the first to do it..
@@johnnyvuitton and he will be the only one to do it.
@@RAV824 no. You're just ancient.
C'mon man, real basketball fans and actual basketball people know mj is the goat. No debate
Oldissss😂 MJ is gout not goat
No Kareem is the real goat
The shoe is iconic because of who wore it... JORDAN
You mean me right? 😂
Jordan transformed the style and substance of basketball, expanding the scope and meaning of athletic achievement. We still see his influence in ways big and small
Well said.
Lebron is still the goat tho
It’s not a Debate, MJ is the Goat. Bron can never take it over.
Never be another Michael Jordan
never will be another lebron james
@@geraldpowell3583 Len Bias might have been the first LeBron.
Yeah i agree it can't you know why because every person can't be replaced .It's simple my boy sorry you're Mj's fanatic but LeGoat is ferrari Mj is fiat
@@sprtingeteb1396 Jordan has more accolades and trophies than *ANY* other Basketball player in *HISTORY.* He's the *ONLY* goat.
@@smartmouf3116 Bill Russell 11 sorry
I genuinely find it funny that there’s even a debate. Lebron isn’t close to MJ
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Don't want to point fingers but it's usually Lebron fans who starts them
I want to give another like to this comment but it’s at 23.
@js js what does being a gambler have to do with lebron getting outscored by Jason Terry and getting locked up defensively by JJ barea and scoring only 8 points in a finals game?
Preach.
"Could anyone make us feel the way MJ made us feel? "
Answer: NO.
Exactly. "No". Next topic.
Exactly you go based off emotions when debating an argument.
@@mohammedodeh1894 lol you need help. This is an unrealistic debate, of course it will always be emotions. What ru talking about.
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@@mohammedodeh1894 LeBron Fanboys only go off of their emotions because all the facts say otherwise besides longevity
MJ is the most efficient NBA player and pure talent no acting( flopping) that's why he is the GOAT
can you imagine - jordan flopping.. omgz it would Never happen...
jordan has flopped before and gotten mad at refs. but when he does it, its just "mj drawing fouls" and you say "wow hes so smart, work smarter not harder".
Many don't want to say how the game was tougher as a result of more active defense than today's game. Hand checking was allowed, defensive 3 second violation wasn't there, zone defense didn't come in until Shaq prime. Jordan has a 6-0 finals record in a time when the sport was tough and the all-star help he had was Pippen and decent role players. Add to this his achievements during 13 years with the Bulls matches the achievements of Durant and Lebrons careers combined.
Lebron had Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, and other role players with league declining defense = 4 rings
Kobe had Pau Gasol, Shaq, and role players = 5 rings.
Jordan had Pippen and other role players with tough league defense = 6 rings
@@alfasiger4178 none had to go through 3 different dynasties. sport was more physical before, but the pace is much faster now. defense is still good today but offense is much better and an unstoppable offense is just as hard to win against as an unstoppable defense.
theres some certain players who aren't good on defense but most of the league is still good defensively.
also you leave out a lot of good teammates kobe and mj had.
kobe had shaq, pau, dwight howard, karl malone, gary payton, steve nash, derek fisher, ron artest, mitch richmond, robert horry, and many great roll players
mj had pippen, rodman, horace grant, toni kukoc, ron harper, charles oakley, george gervin, john paxson, and great role players and defenders, and he never had to face any teams that rival the warriors or the spurs.
Jordan did more in a shorter amount of time
Lebron maintained excellence for longer. Mj burnt out! He didn’t deserve all the dpoy awards he got the refs were perpetually on his side! Winning rings is a team effort! He never won anything outside Scottie and Phil Jackson! Y’all turned his career into a stuff of legends! But you won’t believe me cause to you he walks on water!
@Lu_Williams clearly you don't know anything about basketball 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Lu_Williamsyeah your math is way off kid
@@Lu_Williams Agreed👀👌💯
@@kingofhaiti123 I bet you think MJ more clutch too! 😂😂 MJ stans never like facts and stats all emotions!
Michael Jordan is the GOAT
Undoubtedly.
“I don’t get my 5 without [MJ].” - Kobe
“I’m chasing the ghost that played in Chicago.” - LJ
They can seethe all they want, without MJ to set a bar, there is no Kobe and there is no LJ.
It’s not a debate.
MJ is the GOAT.
There is a whole HOF player’s resume that separates Mj from Bron. 2 time champ 2x finals MVP ,1 league MVP , 1 DOP 9x scoring champ 3x defense team 3x steals champ it’s not a debate
Eye test of their games says it’s not even close. MJ is the better player. He’s accomplished more in far less time - the difference in awards is a HOF career for someone else in 6 less seasons. Not taking anything away from Bron’s physical longevity but the eyes says it’s MJ - EASY.
yeah im young born in 2008 but watching MJ highlights he's a lot more fun to watch than LBJ, plus I Love air Jordans
Eye test shows MJ was a modern day player in an era full of plumbers
I’m 35 but started watching basketball young, I’m so glad I got to see the last few years of mike In real time, I respect lebron but Jordan the goat.
Amazing. The younger more cultist fanbase would call you an “old head” but your younger than LJ who is reaching to 40.
You can’t make this stuff up.
@@114D I dont get how people just be lying saying Lebron better! MJ worst season is better than Lebrons best season! look at what MJ did in the time span he did it in! They(other Nba Legend and players) called dude Black Jesus for crying out loud🤣🤣
@@noleyestoad4477 sir. MJ's worst season is better than lebrons best season? I'm sorry, I know Michael is one of the goats, and to me, he's either 1 or 2 all time. No it's or buts about it. But the difference between lebron and anybody else besides Jordan is astronomical. You can say Jordan is the best ever, that's fine. But don't diminish lebron's career. 4 rings, 4 MVPS, 4 finals MVPS, averaging 27 7 and 8 for over 20 years, and the leagues all time leading scorer. Nobody besides Jordan comes close to being as great as lebron James, don't disrespect a great like that
Everyone wanted to be like Mike. The hang time, the incredible lay up’s, the dunks over everyone, his fade away, the passing, the defense, the will to win. There definitely will never be another Jordan.
Im not convincing you that lebron is the goat but uhh..
Do you remember 2007 ecf game 5 against Pistons? LeBron had garbage with him against a championship caliber team yet he defined all odds. Or how about the 3-1 deficit in the 2016 Finals? In that series, he only had Kevin Love and Kyrie as stars for the team, and the rest are nobodies, but because lebron has a good fundamental with teammates he made everyone in the league know their names. And yet Michael Jordan "The Goat" has atleast 4-5 hall of fame teammates to help him win. And i know, he got 6 rings but if rings are what measure GOATS then Bill Russell is the goat for having 11 rings right? No? Exactly dont measure this with rings although lebron is 4-6 in the finals, he had more playoff success. Scoring more points, assists, rebounds, and blocks than jordan, as well as the fact that lebron is the all-time leading scorer and went to 10 NBA Finals. Im pretty sure if Lebron had the teammates Jordan had he could have gotten all 10. But no, his first finals was literally him and garbage against Prime 2000s Spurs.
I just think y'all love jordan for nostalgia and how he influenced the game but deny lebron's greatness. He literally made Boston shut up for 4 straight quarters in the 2012 ecf. Im not telling you LeBron is the goat but maybe rethink how much of a goat lebron is as well
@@AnIcyBear I never said anything negative about Lebron. He is a great player but when you look into the impact Jordan has on the Bulls compared to Lebron’s teams there’s no comparison. The only thing I’ll say is Jordan stayed in Chicago and he became a 6 time champion. Lebron couldn’t win a championship at first in Cleveland so he left for someone else’s team. I believe if he would have stayed in Cleveland and eventually won multiple championships there he might have been even closer to Jordan but because he chose to join two other all stars in Wade and Bosh it hurt his legacy because it showed that he couldn’t lead a team to a championship so he joined someone else’s team. The team that drafted Jordan 6 championships and the team that drafted Lebron 1. And no championships doesn’t make you the goat because Robert Horry has 7. Much more goes into being the goat and Jordan has it all.
@@AnIcyBear being a runner up is NEVER the same to being the CHAMPION. Majority of the time Lebron was in the East, the competition wasn't really that tough compared to the Western conference. In MJ's time, Eastern Conference was stacked with tougher teams but MJ and his team reached the finals and actually won. Lebron only has higher numbers than MJ because those numbers are accumulative but MJ is superior if you'd look at the stats based on per game basis. If you look at their individual stats per game, MJ is far more better across the board compared to James. Accumulative translates more to longevity rather than actual game to game dominance.
Lebron is great, but he's not MJ. Lebron is the greatest of HIS era, but personally, I can't say that he's the Greatest of ALL TIME.
This debate again! 🙄 Nonetheless, MJ will always be considered the GOAT regardless of anyone breaking his records and other records. MJ single handedly took the NBA to another level during a time when there was racial tension, lack of innovation and technology to help players and the League advance. Of course players like Bird, Magic, Bill etc... experienced these challenges too but MJ stood out and paved the way for these players today. He has a certain aura that separates him from all others. Along with all this, his stats speaks for itself.
Bill Russell was the first black coach in the NBA and the first black player to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. He was also presented with a Medal of Freedom in 2011 by President Obama at the White House. He also has 11 championship rings to Jordan's 6 championship rings.
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Yep.
@@Xx-po1fu but realistically you can’t even find dude highlights and no one goes off just rings just like no one just goes off points Mj really had the better career in all honesty jordan got more rings more defense accomplishments more scoring titles more mvps more finals mvps dude won a dunk contest which by the way Lebron is scared to do cause the one he lost in high school jordan got more 60 point games 70 point games than anybody all Lebron got is the points leaders board cause of his longevity and assist which tbh no one gives af about assist we don go watch Lebron to see what dishes he makes niggas wanna see him go off he one of the biggest dudes on the court being looked at for his passin like dude passes most of the time cause he gets stuck with the ball a lot
@@fyntootall You have no respect for LeBron at all
MJ ALWAYS WILL AND ALWAYS BE THE 🐐
TRUE FACTS
I love lebron and Mj there both my favs all time but there no questions Mj the goat not even the way he plays it’s the way changed the nba and the world everybody wears is shoes to make a shoe 40 years ago and still have people wearing them is crazy
@@Hfhdbsjd So true I love both of them to but yeah MJ is the GOAT 🐐
Not even close
@@Cluley. 😂😂😂 another blind witness 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 and 0
Lebron’s stats are amazing because of his longevity… but you ask who was the best… there’s no question. I’ve seen Lebron quit. I’ve seen his limit. I truely don’t think we saw Jordan’s. He just rose to whatever level he needed to be. We don’t even know if he could get better…. It was never required. The more you tried to break him the better he got. Lebron never had a will like Jordan. He is an amazing competitor but Jordan was a killer.
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You are right on point! Lebron only surpassed spme of MJ's accolades due to longevity and number of games played. But based on factual advance statitics plus the intangibles, MJ dominates lebron.
Here is the best video i watched by far that explained the facts using advance statistics.
czcams.com/video/IVdJ6Z9jluc/video.htmlsi=AHTUsiBdKOvE9FFF
Mike retired twice and was beat multiple times by the pistons and Celtics, lebrons only downfalls are a Cavs team that shot one of the worst games in history and a 2011 series but that wasn't his limit at all put 2016 or 2018 lebron in 11 and they dominate he'll put 18 in 07 and they prob take them 6 or 7
@@thedragon1363yep all true. Lebron is a beast. He’s just no Jordan.
I mean stats wise lebron is better but Jordan is just to good
WE ALL KNOW THAT LEAVEWRONG GERMS IS NOT EVEN A TOP 5 NBA PLAYER OF ALL TIME.
THE REAL GOAT
1 MJ
2 KOBE
3 BIRD
4 KD
5 DUNCAN
My eye test says that but many look at numbers
Lebron has superior longevity but his prime is not as good as MJ. In less time MJ has accomplished more. MJ still has 2 more rings, 2 FMVp, 1 DPOY, 1MVP, 3 steals leaders, 3 all defensive 1st teams and 9 scoring titles. This is literally a hof resume. Also the idea that Mj played no finals competition is such a bad take. He played 4 60+ win teams and they were better offensively than his team. For example in the playoffs, the 1996 sonics had 5 guys in double figures (20.7 ppg, 20.9 ppg, 16 ppg, 12.3 ppg, 12.3ppg) vs the bulls 3 guys (30.7ppg, 16.9 ppg, 10.8ppg). Jordan had 5 of the top 10 worse offensive supporting casts for teams that won a championship. This is a fact you can look up.
Yes his longevity makes him appear to be better than he really is
@@MrTD714 fax
Lebron has a bunch of stolen mvps. And Jordan was handed a lot of those defensive awards… ask any NBA players back then! The league played favorites with him a lot
@@Lu_Williams Exactly, someone here at least has some common sense
@@Lu_Williams of course they would say that because they're petty 😂
I have followed LBJ’s career very closely since 2003 and have absolutely loved it. If I want to win a game, top pick will always be prime MJ for me but what LBJ is still doing at 38 is just as unreal as MJ threepeating and retiring twice. I hope future greatness doesn’t erase past greatness. If LBJ is your pick, and you haven’t seen MJ play, please go and watch as much MJ games/tapes as you can. MJ is my pick but both of there GOATS are head and shoulders above the rest ✨🏀✨🏀✨
Problem is there only going to show jordan high lights and good games never his bad plays or bad games unlike todays players looked at with a microscope👀💯
Then create an award for being in shape at an old age.
@user-wu4oh4nt2s yeah your def not a real basketball fan cuz if you were you would know that mj was getting criticized like crazy until he won and it drove him to be great not just with individual accolades but also with team success.... you ppl really have to stop speaking on things you don't know, it makes you look foolish just to let you know lol 🤷🏾♂️💯
@@kingofhaiti123 stop it cant even compare the "chosen one" pressure at 18 foh👀💯😂 im dead
@user-wu4oh4nt2s see your just speaking out emotion and not logic I'm all set wit trolls ✌🏾✌🏾
Their is no debate MJ is the 🐐 LBJ is the 🐐 of longevity...
Kareem is the goat 🐐 longevity
The fact that younger people think Lebron is a better defender, shows how little they know. Lebron was a top-notch and is good a defender and could defend more positions because of his size but he isn't nearly the defender MJ was. It is so interesting, the GOAT argument goes the same way. Lebron is an incredible play and certainly more versatile but he isn't the greatest of all, just #2 in my book with Kareem a close #3.
MJ has a DPOY, a scoring title, MVP, all star MVP, steals leader, dunk contest winner, all in one season.
The most troubling thing is younger fans will outlive the older ones (obviously) so in the future way more people are gonna think Lebron was better which is just so dumb...
@@George2647g I wouldn't be too sure. Younger people don't even think Lebron is better now. The Last Dance changed many minds.
@@sheridanclan6 When polled it's 52/48 among young people (in favor or lebron).. and half of those admit they never even bothered to watch footage of MJ... It's just insane and so dumb..
@@sheridanclan6
Lebron better now? He is great player, different breed than MJ, both unique player on their own. But GOAT still is MJ.
Lebron only surpassed some of MJ's accolades due to longevity and number of games played. But based on factual advance statitics plus the intangibles, MJ dominates lebron.
Here is the best video i watched by far that explained the facts using advance statistics.
czcams.com/video/IVdJ6Z9jluc/video.htmlsi=AHTUsiBdKOvE9FFF
No one is taking anything away from James for what he's done , but Jordan was just simply different. This was never a debate...People not having Kobe in this debate is ridiculous. He was the closest thing to Jordan .
Facts and people forget the NBA hated Kobe so much that they blocked the Chris Paul trade to the Lakers in 2013 just to stop Kobe from tying MJ in championships
Jordan has more championships, more MVPs, more Defensive Player of the Year awards, more steal titles, a higher scoring average in both the regular season and the playoffs, more scoring titles, better advanced metrics and analytics, and most sports analysts, coaches, scouts, and people who evaluate talent for a living pick Jordan.
And you needn't worry about him missing a free-throw at the end of the game.
Bottom line........MJ accomplished his legacy by playing the hand he was dealt; staying with just one team for the majority of his career. LBJ, on the other hand, stacked the deck to pad his numbers by jumping from team to team and try to put together super teams to win.
Great point, Gene Choi!
LeBron is good at getting great help, but that doesn't make him the GOAT. Jordan did more with less and didn't jump teams to get his rings.
You got a point there, Jordan's team mates weren't at the level of LeBron's team mates but nonetheless Jordan came on top most of the time winning far more championships!
There is no superteam remember that, you don't know what basketball it is if you all say lebron won because of superteam😂
@@jomarrosales3251yup he did with wade and bosh, irving and love. But still several final apperances. And his win in cavs was a God given blessing. The only big man amd the only defensive player in the rim, andre bogut got injured. Green suspended and lost the GS momentum.
LBJ the better defender? Lol, this just goes to show what the young fans don't know about the game.
Facts lebron just had a couple of crazy block Mj was 🔒 down and this is coming from a lebron fan he will never compare to Mj
Jordan missed 2 years playing baseball, He retired to soon in 1999 because of Phil Kackson and Jerry Fatas Krause or Jordan could have played 4 or 5 more years with the Bulls and at least 2 MORE RINGS AND 45000 POINTS, More MVPs more Stats
Younger generation simply never seen Jordan play, 33% admit it, the majority of the remaining 66% only seen some overplayed clips which are not that impressive.
The fact that people rate Lebron as the better defender shows they know nothing about Jordan, but not knowing what you are talking about has never stopped people from having opinions.
I love LeBron James…Especially what he’s done on the court and off…He’s a Top 5 player of all time!
Now that we got that out the way….MICHAEL JORDAN IS THE GOAT!
6 and 0 in the finals…Never reached a game 7! Unblemished.
10 scoring titles
A defensive player of the year.
The G.O.A.T in my opinion!
Tonight's loss should finally close the chapter of who's the best player. MJ has never been swept after winning a championship. That's a total embarrassing loss to Lebron. Couldn't win at home.
You won't feel and get as much excitement watching LBJ play as MJ does every game due to the fact that there's no guarantee he will step-up and go for the kill.
When Bron is in that super killer mode tho he’s spectacular to watch, MJ was more polished offensively tho.
@@kevinchavis2755 I agree 💯
Great comment its true only person that gave you excitement like jordan was kobe and of course he wanted to be mj even mj said it infact most jordaj fans migrated to kobe as a filler cause what he did looked like Jordan Jordan da goat
@@MrTD714 Jordan for sure 🐐💯🔥
This debate is not close. I don't even have to add the accolades ypu just look at the players the skill and it ain't close. Bron only better at rebounding and passing.
MJ only played 1k games or so. He got bored with being the best player in the world at any sport. Played farm ball and still came back a few yrs later to avg 20+ a game. LJ will have less rings with hundreds of more games played by the end with all the accolades of a long dominating career. To win more and with two 3 peats, it's not a debate.
@js js reach and an a**hole take too, if Brons your fave that’s cool. But you don’t have to be a douche bro
IMAGINE thinking Dominating the NBA would be boring.
Kobe has to be in this discussion too and i would honestly put Kobe above Lebron if i was starting a team #1 MJ #2 KOBE
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No cap they never gon give kobe what he deserves
@@fyntootallthat because the media is bias that why
MJ is goat and greatest athlete icon.
Prime Lebron is the greatest athlete ever and is the goat
@@pretzelslimz6615 well he’s not but
@@sonof316 He's more explosive and the all time leading scorer
@@pretzelslimz6615 yeah he is, he has played 20 seasons so of course
@@pretzelslimz6615you might be right but he’s not better than Michael Jordan MJ is still the GOAT
There is zero debate MJ will forever be the GOAT never has one person dominated the basketball court and there will never be another ... lebron is a top 10 NBA player
Jordan , Kareem, bird , magic , kobe , wilt , lebron, pippin , dr j. Tim Duncan
Lebron aint even on kobe level but we comparing him to the GOAT ? 🤦♂️
💯 覺得很好笑 😂😂 我也是很納悶
Are you dumb?
Jordan is better end of story!!
I'm 31 and my first-ever NBA experience was Michael Jordan. The film Space Jam introduced him to me and after that I watched him win his second 3 peat. I haven't seen a player do on the court what Jordan did since then. Kobe came closest.
That movie is not that bad👍
I hate that LeBron stans call you a hater just for claiming he's #2 all-time.......That's a compliment! He's the greatest since MJ. I'm grateful to have witnessed both players in their eras
Michael Jordan is the GOAT because he didn't play with the abundance of stars and hall of famers that LeBron did. Jordan scored over 32,000 and retired from the game for over 4 years. MJ was relatively healthy during his Bulls years except for 1985-86 with the foot injury but MJ would usually average around 80 games played per season. MJ played in a tougher era/slower era, if MJ played in this era for 15-20 years, he would probably finish his career with 45,000+ pts, a few defensive player of the year awards, over 5 MVPs, probably 8 championships. MJ didn't jump ship to play with Barkley, Olajuwon and Drexler in Houston or play with Phil Jackson with a young Kobe and prime Shaq. People don't know this but when MJ came back in 2001, Phil Jackson asked Jordan in 2000 if he would be open to playing for the Lakers, MJ declined. Jordan said himself if it was about stats he would never retire, MJ said I didn't want to take the easy way out winning titles but LeBron did. Why would I care about what kids think of MJ, kids today fawn over Jordan shoes to resell or wear because its the hip thing to do.
If LeBron doesn't win another playoff round or another championship and he kept battling with injuries it will put a stain on his basketball resume for not having any playoff success for the remaining years of his playing career. I appreciate the competitiveness of the older eras then today's era of jacking up 3's. The stupidity of young kids who say MJ played with plumbers -- Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Julis Erving, Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Tim Hardway, Penny Hardaway, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitizki, Steve Nash, Chris Webber, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, the list goes. To any stupid LeBron fan reading this if you dub those players as "plumbers" you are an idiot and know nothing about basketball or the history of the game. That's why I don't take LeBron fans seriously and I can't wait until LeBron retires, when LeBron retires it will be a happy day in the NBA.
Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Horace Grant, Bj Armstrong, Toni Kukoc.....all shooting and defense. Give Bron that team along with the illegal defense rule and we wouldnt even be having this conversation. Jordan was allowed to cook iso, teams now can run zone or double LeBron.
LeBron also played with Kobe, Allen Iverson, Dirk Nowitzki, Karl Malone, TMac, Steve Nash, Ray Allen and Vince Carter
Not trying to argue just reminding you
@@pikabk8829 We forget Bron was around in the times of those players as well and was regarded as the best among them just like MJ.....
@@t24moore Bro, stop it. Scottie Pippen was a rookie when he joined the Bulls, and they didn't even win a championship until four years after he came along. Jordan didn't need Dennis Rodman. The first three-peat was without Rodman. B.J. Armstrong? He only averaged what.. 8 points a game? No one you named was really a difference maker.
Most of Jordan's peers weren't able to get a ring becuase his Bulls were in their way. While there were just a few of LeBron's contemporaries who tried jumping from one team to another and joined superteams but were unsuccessful.
Players respect James' game today.
Players back then were just terrified of MJ with his mere presence.
Still never won without phil and pippen
@@sportslangtv2181 If Pippen was the difference maker, how come they didn't win a championship until *FOUR YEARS* after Pippen Joined the team?? 👀
@@smartmouf3116 and how come mj can't win without pippen? While lebron won without wade and bosh without kyrie and love and without a.d he also won with a mediocre coach how come mj can't won without phil and pippen?
MJ won his championships during the expansion era. 6 new teams created between 1987-95 with 4 of them in the East. Watered down comp.
@@michaelsmith-wm3wr Yea, sure... that's about the *100th* excuse I've heard. And what's funny is that every excuse that people try to use to discredit Jordan, LeBron is always the worst example in those regards. lol
MJ changed the Game Forever…
Lebron has a better attitude than Michael Jordan and speak out on social issues. And he's a more powerful player. But Michael Jordan is over all the best with his will of taking over & dominating the game to win💯
MJ is the 🐐 If you have watch both players you know who's the real King
Your jordan is gout not goat
@@jomarrosales3251 6-0 🤪
@@klvtrucking8131 hotdog
He never said he is the greastest, he just said bulls is the greatest, even me and everyone knows he is.. classy mr jordan
So after all the recency bias most people still think Jordan is the 🐐...
It's getting tiring to see the GOAT debate man. WE KNOW EVERYONES OPINION ON THIS ALREADY! All this debate does is create toxicity because one person has a different view from the other.
Yes they keep repeating the same debate over and over again.. gets tiring but people still want to watch.. that is why they keep doing the same debate over and over again! By the way, the videos on the playlist on my channel might interest some people!
@@DeeRG I guess me and 35 other people are crying 😂
We are tired of the Debate BS and ESPN and Fox sports are pushing stupid narratives to cause toxicity.
@@shezadm6300 Exactly!
Im thankful I’ve been able to witness the career of LBJ, I’m 30 so i have no memory of MJ’s game but all my older brothers believe MJ the goat. We’ll never have another athlete like these two again both iconic and legendary. They’re both goats IMO
You’re on CZcams. Go back and look lol
Why do mfs say this? You don’t have to have watched mj play you got internet right?? That’s like me saying I don’t know nothing about pizza from Italy cuz I didn’t grow up over there
Kobe was the closest thing to MJ if you never seen MJ, us MJ fans wouldn't tell you wrong
Yeah it’s obvious u didn’t watch both because lebron ain’t MJ
Never say never, they will be somebody better than MJ, Bron, and Kobe someday but those 3 are the goats.
To me LBJ's max level is at Jordan's 1989. He never reached 90's Jordan's level, which is understand what it takes to win. He's whole career he only focused on try to be the best player, instead of try to build the best team.
Are you stupid? Jordan was 1-9 without Pippen. It’s not Lebron’s fault that he had no help. Jordan would’ve never taken teams like 2007 and 2018 cavs to the finals. His best finals win was against an injured lakers team without their 2nd and 3rd players and it was magic last season
😲 nice bro you're right Michael Jordan created a dynasty with the Chicago Bulls winning six titles three beating twice that's insane you know few players have done it
Uhhh not haha lbj surpassed MJ
Bro tf you mean he didn't try to build the best team, lebron carried two of worst Cavs team to finals twice by himself only to lose out to tim Duncan's spurs and the greatest team ever assembled "the kd curry warriors"
Sorry are u seriously trying to say Jordan was a better team player than Lebron? Lebron is literally known for letting his teammates shine
In the words of the great Shaquille O’Neal “you just gonna pass Kobe up?”
“I don’t get my 5 without [MJ].” - Kobe
I think he knew bro. Nothing wrong with trying to dethrone but you have to conceded when you haven’t.
Yes, yes we are
kobe not in the conversation..its lebron vs mj as undisputed goat.
@@Jaccobtwonly if you’re stupid 🤣
@@chief5774nah … lmao, only if you listen to the media and were born after 2010
The goat debate is a pure disrespect for jordan....imagine threepeating and retiring then cameback to threepeat
Ok, I'm very triggered by the fact that younger fans think that LeBron is a better defender than Jordan. LeBron stopped playing defense years ago while Jordan still played defense at 38 (and one of his most famous highilights during his Wizards years is litteraly a defense move), Jordan is recordman of all nba defense team, and he has a DPOY. How can you think LeBron is a better defender ?
Jordan won’t mind a DPOY award in the modern era where players can spread teams out and you gotta defend more than the paint lol I would love to see Jordan play against Curry or Klay or KD and win DPOY against offenses that can actually make you spread the 3 point line or further
@@clemsonfan9166 why do you Lebron weirdo talk like you actually know anything 🤔 like just don't talk. Jordan lead the league in steals 3 times averaged more steals AND blocks then Lebron. Was a lock down defender and NO that wasn't Scottie. The Pippen needing to get his credit has gotten out of hand. Lebron has NEVER been a lock down defender. Yes he can guard 4 positions but it doesn't mean he guards any of them well 🤦♂️
@@fasteddycj1980 Why do y’all jordan weirdos always ignore the facts? I just told you jordan won’t win DPOY in the modern era because of spacing, he’ll have to guard players from 3 points line or further unlike in the 90s where he was in the paint and it was easy for him to elite defender when everyone stayed in the paint and you didn’t have to guard players from the half court like Steph curry. I would love to see Jordan guarding Curry from half court and still have the energy to get the same steaks and blocks he had in the 80s and 90s by just standing in the paint. Let’s look at the talent Jordan played against his position. It wasn’t good at all compare to the position talent Lebron had to face
@@clemsonfan9166 you didn't say any facts, all you did is made things up based on nothing. Ill listen to players that played the game with MJ and Lebron comparing the two 99% of them says you're wrong and MJ is just a far superior player than lebron is. Allen, LeBrons own teammates says MJ is better, would average 50 in this era.
@@blowc1612 Jordan’s own teammate Pippen called Lebron the goat. I said facts based on logic in Lebron’s era players are bigger, faster, and stronger than jordan era. Players can spread the floor and can hit 3s unlike in Jordan era where all he had to’d is sit in the paint unlike Lebron who has to cover elite shooters like Curry, Dame, Irving, Harden and many other elite 3 points shooters. Jordan didn’t have anyone that’s even close to spreading the floor like Lebron had
Jordan changed the culture. When we hear someone say "He or she is the Lebron James of x,y,z." then we can talk about GOAt status. Until then, Lebron is the MJ of the current era. When he can break lose of that which he won't since he still trails MJ in stats that people actually care about, then he can take the place of MJ.
Jordan will remain the GOAT until the end of time.
Jordan was better, Lebron just started earlier and played longer. Personally I consider the GOAT to be the guy who was the best, not the guy who played the longest. That being said, there's no real debate, the ACTUAL GOAT is Bill F*cking Russel. Y'all need to learn some history and put respect on name of the greatest to ever play the game.
Lmao no he isn't Bill Russell was the ultimate team player but he had 6 other HoF players, playing with him, and he wasn't even the best player of his Era it was Wilt, Russell wasn't a great offensive player he average only 15 a game at 44% he was an all time great player but not the GOAT
No offense to Mr Russel but he wasn't a great offensive player
Bro, Jordan has more *INDIVIDUAL* accolades and trophies than any other player in history. You know Jordan is the goat. Cut it out.
It won’t change hands to real basketball fans who knows basketball Mike is only level of his own🐐💯
Lebron has already passed Jordan as the goat.
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Only to delusional LeBron fans, but MJ is still widely considered the GOAT and will still be considered that when Bron retires and you LeBron fans just can’t stand that fact. Even when Bron retires and the next potential GOAT comes, they’re going to ultimately compare him to MJ and LeBron fanboys like you are still going to be crying about it.
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The fact that people want lebron ahead of the kobe is unreal to me
Kobe has 1 more ring, but LeBron is ahead in every other category. This isn't a real debate to anyone concerned with evidence.
@@derrickscott9469 kobe most definitely better than LeBron fasho 💯💯💯
@@geraldtaylor8712 Why? And I don't want to hear "killer instinct", "clutch gene" or any such armchair psychology BS.
How many times do they have this same debate? Ffs, talk about lillards 71 point game or something
Fax man
It’s called “debate” for a reason
Ikr. It’s getting so repetitive.
Jordan did far more in less time. He has created a vast gulf of accomplishments between himself and LeBron, even though LeBron has played longer and left high school to go straight into the pros.
Jordan is a better two-way player and is superior in the advanced analytics and metrics.
But they are both superb athletes and great fun to watch!
I think MJ is more widely considered the best player. He is the original goat. I think it is hard to compare them because they never played against each other or at the same time. Anyway, nice vid. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Lebron moved to Miami to chase rings in 2011. He had zero rings at the time. In the 2011 NBA Finals, Wade would've been Finals MVP had the Heat won. Lebron could not win his very first ring moving to Miami to ride Wade's coattails or it'd ruin Lebron's "goat" legacy. That would follow him forever. So, Lebron"shrunk" and tanked the team in epic fashion, and now no one remembers it. Go read articles about Lebron disappearing from the 2011 Finals, and the tell me he's better than Jordan 😅 ....
Michael Jordan, hands down.
When Jordan played I would watch or record and watch every game. National tv or WGN I was watching every minute of every game. With LeBron it's just not the same. I watch highlights and parts of games but it's nothing like the need to watch I had when Jordan played.
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This is not even close! MJ would smash Lebron clearly by playing physical because we all see Lebron can’t play physical because he wants to flop to much. Lebron has never won the defensive player of the year, MJ did and played with way more intensity and played every play without flopping after being fouled to death all game. MJ is the GOAT!
Jordan would take over the 4th quarter and hit all the clutch shots, steals, blocks defense stops. Jordan was the best offense and defense player in the NBA. Lebron ain't the same. Playing in a league with NO DEFENSE ON HIM. All the games now are 120 to 130.Everybody got EASY SHOTS
Why is Kobe never in the GOAT discussion?
Ikr🤦♂️🤦♂️. Kobe is the real goat 🐐
@@geraldtaylor8712 no kobe is second. jordan first and lesteroid isnt even top 10
Lebron's teammates with their PER and rank all time: 1. Anthony Davis (26.97) 4th all time, 2. Dwyane Wade (23.48) 24th all time, 3. Kyrie Irving (22.39) 34th all time, 4.Russell Westbrook (22.29) 35th all time, 5. Kevin Love (21.03) 59th all time, 6. Chris Bosh (20.56) 71st all time, If any superstars in NBA history played with all these players in his career, they will win more than 4 rings. Charle Barkley, Dr J, Hakeem Olajuwon, Drexler, Marlone(both). Lebron is the only player in NBA history that is a top 5 PER and also played with a teammate that has a top 5 PER, likewise top 10. Let me show your MJ's team mate.
Michael Jordan's Teammates with their PER and rank all time: 1. Scottie Pippen (18.63) 138th all time, 2. Horace Grant( not among top 250 all time), 3, Dennis Rodman( not among top 250 all time)
6 vs 4
Let's stop going goo-goo ga-ga over stat sheets. The name of the game is to outscore the opponent. Both players did it extremely well, but one guy did it better than the other. So, let's keep it 1,000...
Jordan's Better (and greater).
Thanks.
Jordan is the best player of all time.
My eye test says Jordan kobe lebron stats say something else and I seen all 3 play so for me the eye test is everything all beasts but for me thats how it goes Lebron is still good and being good for so long makes him appear to be better than what he is physically thats his gift he spends a million$ on his body a year but my eye test stands jordan kobe bron
Those 3 are the best for real
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The eye test is so stupid! The eye test will have thinking Ja morant better than Luka! The eye test won’t show you how dominant Jokic is. The eye will favor kyries game over better players! Facts! Over eye test any day!
And you on something wild if Kobe your Top 3 must be that eye test too 😂😂
he is on pedsm thats what he spends it on
No one could take over a game on cue and annihilate the enemy like MICHAEL JEFFERY JORDAN. MJs mindset was seek and destroy.
“””Jordan was never thrown around the league like LeBron was from Cleveland to Miami back to Cleveland then to Las Angeles you can’t put LeBron in Jordan’s shoes because they never played each other during Jordan’s time LeBron was a rookie”””
We just going to forget Kobe Bryant right ?? So many NBA players that say Kobe is the best out of three
maybe 3 out of 100 nba players would name kobe as the goat - max.
A Moc5 King cannot replace an Air God
Watch the film. Jordan’s talent is on film.. and you know being 6-0 in finals is why people call him the goat. In a great era with other legends like Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Stockton. A league of grown men who knew the right way to play the game. Defense was a priority. Lebron didn’t start winning till he joined a super team in Miami in a window where it was easy to win. Before the GS dynasty, Kobe was done, he only had to deal with the Spurs.. couldn’t even beat Dirk with a band of aging role players when he had Bosh and Wade at his side. Lebron isn’t even top 3 all time
Jordan would never quit and leave his coach and teammates to fend for themselves while he storms off to the locker room. Why? Because Michael Jordan is a champion and champions never quit.
2 3peats in nba finals vs 2 swept in nba finals. 😂😂😂
Jordan put fear in everyone. Simply more intense
Made up debate. MJ is the GOAT, simple as that.
I think the absolute most impressive thing about Mike, is all his stats were accumulated in only 13 seasons
Actually it was 11 full seasons, he only played a handful of games his 2nd season, broke his foot in the 3rd game of that season. In the ‘94-95 season, he only played 18 games after he came back from his first retirement. His Wizards years don’t count as he was past his prime and bored.
Center in jordan era is a monster you know...... Many best center all of time in jordan era....... Rodman, David robinson, shaq, Karl malone, hakeem olajuwon, ext. And center in now era or lebron james era is just third or fourth tier...... Not monster......
It will never change once and for all
My dad saw how MJ played and he said he was a DEFENSIVE MONSTER! And can be a very good passer when he wants to!
Fake debate, Lebron is nowhere close to Jordan, I could put at least 6 or seven players between the two.
Well said. I have debated if LBJ even belongs in the top 10. I have seen LBJ QUIT on his teams before....something that a top 10 player should never have on their resume.
@@mikeb9618 Quits, runs to play with the best players in the league, doesn't want the big shot, not a great shooter. He's a physical specimen no doubt and probably top ten based on that, but yeah closer to 10 in my book. Espn for years has been pushing this nonsense because its all about branding now.
@@marksimmons5839 He isnt even a good role model. I couldnt agree more with your statements. The world is filled with unitelligent fanbois for LBJ.
Also, for the record having the All Time Scoring record isnt that impressive. It just means he's been around the longest at his level...
with that being said...
...guess what player owns the MOST TURNOVERS of all time...
MJ has done more in 15 years than Lebron has in 20. MJ scored more points (over 1200 more points than Lebron over his first 15 years) , won more MVPs, DPOY, All-NBA Defensive player of the years, more scoring titles, Finals MVPs, holds the All time record for points per game in a career, and NBA Championships. Remember, Jordan didn't come out of high school. He spent 3 years in college, basically 1 year from an injury, 2 years retired to play baseball, retired again for 3 years before he returned one last time. That's 9 years that MJ didn't play. That's 9 years of close to 30 points per game. If you rounded down to 29 points pet game that's another 18,652 points to his total for an amazing 50,944 points. MJ would still be over 50,000 points if his average dropped down to 28 points per game. And that's if he averaged playing 71 games for those missing 9 years.
thank you! yes, this is my final answer
The longer lebron plays without winning to me the worse it gets for him.
@@tomstorm7926 Especially when he doesn't win with a stacked team.
Clearly ALOT of fans haven't watched Prime MJ. MJ at his peak did almost EVERYTHING better than LeBron. He was even playmaking At LeBrons level. Well actually he was statically playmaking at a Higher Level than LeBron in an era where offence was simply harder. Especially for a Guard. In an era where Centers Ruled the league and there was a real presence when you tried to attack the rim. In the 2010s there was a lack of Big men. You had De Andre Jordan making all NBA FIRST team 😂
You must be on high to compare Lebron James with Michael Jordan. There is no one can beat Michael Jordan 1 on 1 😃
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Kobe the goat fasho
It's still not close. Breaking records is not the kind of impact MJ did to the game. The very fact that the younger generation who admitted that they did not see him play still picked him over LBJ is the reason why MJ is just in another level as an all time great. I'm not a LBJ hater, but he can never replace the impact MJ had on the game. MJ had one goal, to be the very best basketball player. Nothing else matters. His focus was to be the very best, not just for himself, but for the fans. That's how we remember him, that's how his legend will always be passed on.
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exactly - LBJ is great, but not close to MJ. MJ was on another level to all the other players he went up against during his prime, LBJ was never that much better than the rest of the stars he faced. LBJ has better longevity, might be a better teammate in some respects, but the better shooter, finisher, defender, more will to win, more dominant, more clutch are all titles that will have to go to jordan and LBJ can never catch up on these key advantages MJ had over him. LBJ is great, but the GOAT remains untouched as long as no player shows up that can evenly match or overpower Jordan in a lot of these categories for an extended period of time in the NBA.
It wasn't just the shoes. ESPN doesn't even mention the Nike commercials with Spike Lee and Gatorade, Micheal Jackson #1 video "Jam" video, the Box Office hit "Space Jam," and the iconic song that synonymous with Jordan's runs with the Bulls, "Sirus" by The Allen Parsons Project. Let's not forget he was the centerpiece of the Emmy Award winning film "The Last Dance."
Although James did wn two golds in Olympic play he also didn't finish in gold losing twice atleast twice. On the other hand, every time Jordan represented the USA in tournament play, he never came home without the gold.
We haven't even talked about his accomplishments in college which is outstanding.
There is no GOAT there is only the greatest of an era. Tech advancements and rule differences make the eras too different to compare. So here is a list of the greatest players from each era.
Late 40s: George Mikan(nobody mentions him)
50s: Bob Cousy
60s: Wilt Chamberlain
70s: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
80s: Magic Johnson
90s: Michael Jordan
2000s: Kobe Bryant/LeBron James
2010s: LeBron James
2020s: To be determined
MJ or LBJ stans are probably gonna cry about my take
Kobe bryant is the closest to michael jordan !!!!
You can’t talk greatness and ignore the times lbj didn’t show up, left his team hanging with the game on the line.
i personally think that there is not only one single player who could be considered the absolute GOAT, even if you take into consideration their accolades, stats, sustained excellence, success, and skillset, as taking things into context such as their era complicate things more
but at the same time we can't deny that figures such as jordan, lebron, kareem, magic, bill russell, duncan, kobe, bird, steph, and oscar have been transcendent, and that only few players have earned their spot in a GOAT conversation
💯 agree this is the fact
There is no debate, Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T.
Still no debate, MJ goat in all sports
Over 20 years in the NBA! Incredible! Only four championships lol greatest ever yeah, right.