Top of the World Trail Guide in a Stock Jeep
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- Top of the World Trail Guide for Stock Vehicles. Top of the World trail is a difficult trail near Moab, Utah. We find out what are Top of the World's vehicle requirements. We also show the entire trail and all the obstacles using a stock Jeep Wrangler JK Rubicon and unlocked even smaller Jeep Cherokee XJ. We follow the funtreks route and show the overlook, dewey bridge, the no bypass and bypass obstacles including one TrailsOffroad called Nasty. Top of the World Trail Review and breakdown included in the end. Stock Off-road vehicles rock crawling.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 A sample of what the Trail offers
00:19 Vehicle Information, Requirements, and Dewey Bridge
1:00 Entrada Bluffs Road
1:37 Top of the World Starts off Easy
4:35 Trail gets Rougher and Rougher as we go
6:40 The obstacle that stops stock vehicles
10:32 Western Easier Half of Top of the World's Loop
14:40 The famous Overlook via Drone
15:30 Eastern Half of the Loop, much harder
22:15 Trail Review and Break down
23:10 The Bypass of the No Bypass Obstacle
25:00 Zach's Review of Trailhawks on Top of the World
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My name is Dewie Jones and I’m the reluctant host, videographer, and video editor for the channel. I’ve daily driven a wrangler my entire driving life starting with a 1997 TJ, most recently a ten year old 2012 JK, and now new 2021 JL. I like the challenge of driving a stock wrangler on tough trails. My buds are not new to wheeling either, but for their own specific reasons, now wheel aggressive SUV based off-roaders like Cherokees, 4Runners, Land Cruisers, VW Touregs, and Renegades. We decided Colorado Mallcrawlers was a funny name so that's how we got here. We film our trail runs letting whatever happens, happen and then later make the video an accurate trail guide with comments on how to do it better than us.
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I used to Jeep Moab in a CJ7 with no lift back in the 80's with open diffs, so enjoy seeing you take these rigs out for a challenge.
Awesome! That’s probably why I love wheeling my liberty… it’s open and on 29in tires. It does need armor tho. Thanks for watching!
I have a 15 Cherokee LATITUDE AD1 that I've moderate built. 31.5x9.5 tires and 1.5'" spacers plus a handful of other little things. future plans I'm going full custom fab so hopefully ill get a social media account going for it. BUT point is, I do not have true high/low with AD1 and I show up a lot of really well built rigs and I very much so keep up with the trail hawk trims. its really about skill, spotters and patience. you can go a lot of places with rigs that "aren't meant to be". the important part is having someone with you, long distance comms and or recovery gear. 99% of the time you can get yourself out with a little can do and common sense. love the videos!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
This was a great video. Don't be afraid to make longer in-depth videos. I could have watched more, even slow crawling is fun to watch. Especially when it is quality educational content with good graphics. Keep killen it.
We’re adjusting our format a little. Overland guides will be longer, trail guides will be similar to this length. We just edit to the footage we got so video length varies based on that. We try to keep the video moving as I value your time.
Thanks for putting together these trail guides! Gave me the confidence to go out and run the trail in June 2023. We ran it my Ram 1500 Regular Cab Short bed on 35s.
Tough trail in spots and only my second technical trail, but it was totally worth that view at the end!
Awesome! I love hearing that and that’s why we try to make these useful instead of look at me wheel a stock rubicon. I’m downgrading to older stock wrangler and the liberty for future videos (the JL will be used on really hard trails).
@@coloradomallcrawlers Nice! Looking forward to seeing it.
My XJ was my favorite vehicle I've ever owned. I miss it.
They are absolutely awesome vehicles!
I found this video/your channel completely by accident but these are the kind of videos I crave as a newbie to the hobby. Love the idea of a video trail guide, especially from the perspective of someone with a stock/lightly modded rig. You have a subscriber in me.
Glad you like it! Hopefully they’ll keep getting better! Welcome!
Love seeing the XJ making it.
Me too! Thanks for watching!
Its amazing what a stock Jeep can do! I've been wheeling my Sport Unlimited for some time now and when I get into an obstacle I just two foot it and that seems to work. When I go for a re-gear I may add a rear limited slip but honestly for the wheeling I do. I don't feel the need for a locker. Thanks to the amazing Footage!! 😁
Sounds like a solid plan!
From what I've seen and some math I did on some vehicles from videos... If you're about 30° approach, 25° breakover and 30° departure or more, you should be able to do it in my estimation.
Probably the only stock vehicles that would do this would be 2 door Jeep Wranglers (preferably Rubicon) , new bronco sasquatch and Land Rover defender 90 or 110. It has to be a TOP stock vehicle to do it I think it it's going to be stock.
Cherokee Trailhawks with 2 inch lift or more and true 32s can do it (255 75 17).
I agree with the 35 inch tire recommendation for 4 door Wranglers. 35s and a 2 inch lift puts a 4 door Wrangler pretty much equal to a 2 door Rubicon Wrangler. You probably don't need front and rear lockers if you have BLD though.
Great Breakdown!
I have a similar Jeep Liberty...beloved bye and my grandchildren
I loved seeing her twin play off road...
They’re fun Jeeps!
Love a good XJ vid, that looks like a '96.
It definitely is!
My wife and I did this in 2016 with her 2007 FJ Cruiser with a cheap 3" spacer lift and 33" Nitto Terra Grapplers. No skids, no sliders, no winch. Probably the roughest trail we did, and then we drove it back to Iowa, and never had to turn a wrench. I miss that tough little Toyota!
Very cool! Ballsy without sliders or skids! Nice driving!
I live in the PNW with a stock '97 XJ, junkyard fab lifted on narrow MAXXIS RZR 33's. It, of course, is a work in progress. I really enjoy finding lines through hard trails. It is always my goal to have the rig that doesn't look flashy and super capable, but have a ton on fun on a narrow budget.
Thank you for showing that 40's and a mega budget are not necessary to go have a great time.
Sounds like you have a great XJ!
@@coloradomallcrawlers LOL, thanks. Definitely a budget build. I joke that I'm building it "the wrongest way possible, the rightest way possible." Some day I'll do a "How I built it, but you probably shouldn't do it that way" video.
Great guide. I like the transparency and the fact you use your Jeep in stock form. Makes for interesting common man type of video.
Thank you! Yeah, even if this channel got big, I’d still wheel mostly stock. Thanks for watching!
Excellent! Thanks for sharing your trials and tribulations! Be safe!
Thank you! For sure and you too!
Top of the world is next on my list of Moab trails.
Great video.👍
Thank you man! It’s a great one!
Nice video! We did this trail in 2019 with a 2000 tj on 33s with no lockers. Had no problem! Be safe out there
Nice! I had a 2000 TJ, loved it!
First time here and I thoroughly enjoyed it. You've got yourself a new subscriber. Thanks for the great content!
Thank you so much! I’m trying to make these as good as I can since your time is valuable. Thanks for watching!
You guys are fearless. I love it
Lol, thank you! It took some time to realize what the vehicles could reliably do… I think my first few years in a Jeep were on dirt roads and in the mud as I didn’t want to break it 😂
Thanks for the guide! I'm excited to tackle this on my dual sport this year.
Your welcome! Have a great time!
You did awesome on the video! I really appreciate you working your magic and making it look like I actually know what I’m doing!
You definitely know what you’re doing! Thanks for wheeling with me buddy! Got Golden Spike and Gold Bar Rim that need guides since I got poison spider filmed 😉
Great job guys. Subscribed.
Awesome, thank you! My goal is to only make these better as I improve my video making skill set…. If I start slacking, hold me accountable 😉
One of the best trail reviews I’ve seen. Great job.
Thank you!
Great video!!!! Very nicely done! 🥳
Thanks buddy!
Another excellent review as always.
Thank you so much!
Watching that Renegade makes me really wanna try this in my KL lol.
Yeah, I think I’d try it, but Zach did say his thoughts on a Trailhawk at the end! Thanks for watching!
I have a video of it. Keep in mind i have 2.5" lift on 32", and i used the crap out of my rock rails and skid plates. And that was a year before Dewy ran it...it slowly gets more dug out on each of the ledges year by year.
This was awesome guys! I have a stock 2door JL on 32s and I’m not looking into and lifts or lockers. Thanks for providing this perspective, subscribed!
Glad to hear it! As you wheel more you’ll figure out what you need, but 2 doors are awesome and really don’t need much. Still, I’m going to try to get some more stock 4 doors in these videos to offer those guys that perspective. Welcome!
2 doors can take lines and even avoid stuff the 4 doors can't. If you're trying to decide between a lift and a locker, a rear locker will generally help a stock Wrangler more than a lift.
Best video to see what the trail is like! Thank you
Thank you! That’s the goal, altho we’re now trying to make them more entertaining while still providing the necessary info. Thanks for watching!
I enjoyed your video and having an ACTUAL trail guide with map to see where the obstacles are. As far as I know, I havent seen any other videos do this. Thanks for putting it together 👍🏼
My first trail video got turned into a proto trail guide as while I was doing it, I thought “no one cares to watch me wheel.” I didn’t see anyone do it before I started, but now I’m starting to see very similar videos. It’s no big deal and maybe it was independently created, but it’d be nice if they were inspired by mine, that’d they say so. Some are big channels. Thanks for watching!
Thanks, this was helpful. Trying to pick some trails for an upcoming trip also in a 2 door JK Rubicon, but on 35s.
Oh you will have no problem! Glad that helped!
I like the format. Nice video.
Thank you!
I did this trail 7-8 years ago in a 2009 Ram 1500 Crew Cab with a 1" leveling kit. It had the 20" wheels too. It wasn't easy then, but it looks way harder now than I remember it. There was one new bypass at the time that turned out to not be much easier than the ledges being bypassed.
I do remember a bunch of Jeep guys at the top who were in disbelief seeing my truck up there.
Seems like a fun time!
I’m thinking about going in my 09 1500 crew (6” lift 35s) how difficult is it while using bypasses (I’ve got to drive it back to South Carolina so not looking to break anything) I’ll probably scout it out with the dirt bike the first day
Great video as always!
Thank you!
Love those lil XJs
Me too, sweet Jeeps!
Thanks for making this Trail Guide. Top of the World is on my bucket list of places to go. And using a bone stock 2007 Sequoia with 31" tires and a 2" leveling lift you gave me hope to make it there. Keep up the great videos
Awesome! I don’t know the capability of the sequoia, but that’s why I make these so you can decide. Have fun and thanks for watching!
3 trips, 1 of 3 in the rain. Fj cruiser with 2.5/3in lift, skid plates and minimal spotting
Nice!
Did this trail with my brother in my stock 2015 jku sport. Including the east loop in the dark with nothing but a cell phone flashlight lol. Top of the world at sunset was incredible but had no no idea what that east loop had in store for us. Glad it was downhill. First time seeing your channel and looking forward to watching your videos.
That sounds awesome and fun! I really want to film some night wheeling as I love it… I just can’t afford a camera that’d make that look good. I’m saving up tho. Thanks for watching! Tomorrow’s upload is hopefully a fluke as we or maybe I definitely made some bad decisions so please don’t judge us on that one.
Crazy how much that trail has change in just a few months. We ran the loop clock wise and everything was under cut like crazy. I felt like I was in a nightmare the entire time. 6hrs to run the trail
Yeah it’s pretty wild! Thanks for watching buddy!
We took a group of friends on that trail last May and got a stock showroom TRD off road 4runner on street tires and a lifted 2Gen Sequoia to the top. Surprised the heck out of the other rigs on the trail. We did start early and on a weekday to avoid clogging up the trail as it was slow going. Nice driving y both drivers and kudos for using what you got to get out and wheel.
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
lockers are, by far the best mod anybody can do. I love my ARB's
Lockers are the best thing someone could add to an off-road build!
This is my new favorite channel!
Thanks, that’s awesome to hear! We hope to only get better!
@@coloradomallcrawlers Our Rubicons are almost identical in configuration. I actually headed to Top of the World right after I made that comment. Your video was certainly a confidence booster! Thank you!
Another great video.
Thank you!
I took my stock JK down Kane Creek in Moab. I had 33 inch tires and had never been down a trail like that, and probably shouldn't have been but I had my grandson with me and one we were in it then there was no turning back. We had a blast and I can't wait to go back.
That’s been the Moab trail I’ve really wanted to do… but I’m probably not big enough for Hamburger Hill as it has gotten pretty chewed up. Maybe next year, thanks for watching!
Great video! I was all 😬😬😬 every time I heard your skid plates scrape...and I don't think I would ever take my Cherokee Trailhawk on this...even if it wasn't my daily driver.
Thank you! I use to hate hearing it, but got use to it and years without issues made me realize they can take it!
Love your content. My daughter and myself will be going to Moab for spring break in her 2015 TH KL . Along with our local club .
Definitely gives us confidence in doing this trail as it will be one on our list .
Fully intend on using sliders to their full potential.
Heck yeah! Thanks for watching and you guys are gonna have a great time!
If you are still stock, i would shy away from it unless you want lots of smashed fenders and rocker panels. I have a vid of this trail from summer of 2020. Rock sliders, lift, and tires is recommended. I used the crap out of all my armor, 2.5" lift on 32s.
@@FearlessTrailhawk just a 2” lift bilstien b6 shocks and 7” frog fab sliders 32” mile star patagonias . Will have bumper deletes and a couple extra skid plates.
Watch the transmission temp like a hawk on the KL, it will cook that POS transmission while 4 wheeling.
@@mrvwbug4423 ummm never heard of these transmissions overheating from offroading...ever. Now, the PTUs (the actual 4x4 system)...those might overheat occasionally, but there are no gauses for that. But what do i know, i'm not some internet expert like you.
Yep, such a POS transmission even BMW uses them...lol (or one of the larger 'nice' brands).
I have done tons of things in my 04 Grand with 33's with a stock Vari lok in the rear and TruTrac in front. Small 3" lift on long arms. Love the look on peoples faces when the "soccer mom" rig pops out of the trees on the top of the hill. Miss out west wheeling, lived in AZ during the 80's. Here in northern Michigan it's heavy trees and cedar swamp mud.
Sounds awesome! I’m hoping to do the same with my mom’s Jeep Liberty which is now mine. Thanks for watching!
Gota' subscribe for the channel name alone! I've got JCR "Mall Rated" badges on both of my Jeeps. I missed EJS the last couple of years due to Covid, but this was one of my favorite trails the last time we went. Nice job! 😜
Awesome, it’s definitely a great trail! Welcome!
Gotta love seeing full builds struggling and then there’s these dudes in mostly stock jeeps n full tires bouncing down the trail
Lol, one of the reasons I started making videos was because I’d get told that I shouldn’t take a stock Rubicon on whatever trail I was doing. I just wanted to show it’s ok to wheel stock. Still, I love built rigs too… just not for me. Thanks for watching!
If a stock Jeep can make a trail. That tells you it's not a very hard trail.
@@wheels.and.wrenches A good friend of mine who passed away a few years ago used to wheel some of the most difficult trails in CO in a stock CJ5 (no lift; open diffs). He knew most of the trails quite well from having four-wheeled them over the course of 50+ years. Guys with built Jeeps were amazed at where he could go with his rig.
@@timfloyd6911 those days are long gone. You wouldn't get 50 feet on new trails with stock tires and no lift.
Wheels & Wrenches, that’s certainly not true… my JLR is remaining stock, and I’ll take it on all the trails FunTreks has reviewed (exception the buggy trails, but I’ll still cover those trails). Sure, trails have gotten harder, but too many are underestimating your driving ability and overestimating the need for a build to call yourself a wheeler!
Did hells revenge in my 99 xj on 31s! Definitely difficult but did it all besides hells gate and the tubs lol. On tires that small and a 3 inch lift it very much becomes a thinking man's game.
Absolutely! Not many people realize this as someone told them they need 35s or more to wheel before then even got to see what it does stock. I’m all for people doing whatever they want, I just want them to know you can wheel a stock vehicle if you wanted to! Thanks for watching and Merry Christmas!
thanks for this. looking at departure angles, now I know my tacoma will need a high clearance steel rear bumper before making the trip out here.
Your welcome! I’m glad it was useful! Have a great time!
Great video guys!
Thank you!
@@coloradomallcrawlers you're welcome!
I'm owner of turbo diesel XJ so it's always cool to see one in action.
Greetings from Croatia! 🙋
That’s awesome! A turbo diesel XJ, that sounds awesome! In 2019, my buddy and I spent a week in Croatia and loved it! You have such a beautiful country!
@@coloradomallcrawlers thanks! 🙋
I'd love to see you guys go through devils canyon in Idaho springs! Very pretty scenic trail and a great starter trail as well!
It’s on the list, just got to find the time. Thanks for watching!
@@coloradomallcrawlers of course! Hopefully within the next month or so I'll be looking into an XJ. If the opportunity arises I'd love to come out some time with you guys! Yall all make a great team!
Did this in my KL with rocksliders, very possible but makes for a long day. Totally worth it.
Sweet! Yeah, Zach puts his thoughts in at the end being a former Trailhawk owner, but I’m with you! Thanks for watching!
How was your TH set up?
How long ago though? 4 years ago this trail was a LOT easier. 2 years ago beat the crap out of my sliders and plates on 32" tires. I'd be wary of attempting it again now as each ledge is even more dug out every year. Unless you want to get out and stack rocks every 100ft...
@@FearlessTrailhawk 2 years ago with stock tires and no lift. Rock stacking did occur
@@shaneraber3072 Only mod I had on it was rock rails which I used alot.
It wasn’t a brush fire. It was Arson. A boy playing with matches started the fire. 🤬
Love the the video. Sub’d
Arson and uncontrolled fires suck. Thanks for clarifying! Welcome!
I did this back in May this year in a fairly large group. I was in an X with 3" lift and 33" tires. With some good spotting from the trail lead, I was able to get up obstacles easy. We also had an older X with 3" on 31" tires, fully locked, made it no problem. Half of us went back down the way we came up, the other half went the to complete the Lollipop. We were told about the 3-4ft drops, so I went down the easy route. But after doin The Fall at Steelbender 2 days later, i'd be more comfortable to complete the lollipop at TOTW next time I return to Moab. The trail itself wasnt that exciting, but the views at the top is just Epic.
Nice!
I did this trail on 31s in the snow and the dry. Everyone acts like you need 35 inch + tires to get out and have fun. None of it is necessary unless you’re doing the absolute hardest trails.
Absolutely!
Pretty much. Basically you're supposed spend 10's of thousands of dollars to build your vehicle so it just rolls over everything without ever touching any of the skid plates/armor.
Many people overstate what is required for a particular trail. Not all, but many.
@@borisjankovici662 I will say that the proliferation of high horsepower and big tired vehicles does erode trails and make them harder. This trail is quite a bit harder than it was four years ago.
My son and I did this trail last September on our way to Blazer Bash in Moab. My Blazer is on 4" lift with 35" tires, Detroit tru-trac up front and open rear. We did the east side on the way down. I was warned about the trail getting worse than in years past when my buddies did it. We did it without any damage but it was a long slow ride. We camped off the side of the trail below where the two sides merged. Your video shows the true roughness of the ledges and steps going up and coming down. Looking back on your video I'm actually kind of surprised we did as well as we did. Might be the smaller tires you both were on. I wouldn't do it alone again that's for sure. We pushed our luck on that point.
Glad you got through it without issue! I want to bring my Jeep liberty and do it, but I wouldn’t do the full loop if so. We’ll see, thanks for watching!
Some years ago a friend out in CO told me that technically, off-roading is not allowed. BUT, even the most remote spots and trails are still county roads, hence they can be used. True?? He was trying to get me to bring my old 2003 ML320 out to Ouray to do a run with the local Benz Club - but most of them had G-wagons. I passed. This is a good and informative vid - thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Going off trail is not allowed, but off-roading is definitely allowed. Most CO trails have true forest road or road classifications, but they’re true 4x4 trails… that might be what he was saying. Unfortunately google maps sometimes gets confused and reroutes over these trails as a result. Of course, I love making videos and I’m thankful they’re watched!
Great channel I am building a f250 super duty for these kind of things ,a trail like this might be max for it but I won’t know until I try
Awesome! I was looking at f250 tremor to live in, so I think it has a lot of potential! Good luck and thanks for watching!
So much gate keeping in off reading. It’s kept me from a few trails.
Nice to see some stock vehicles prove them wrong.
There is and there shouldn’t be! Thanks for watching!
Just ran it a week ago in a stock Rubicon on 33s. Had some snow which added some challenge but it wasn't terribly hard. Ran into a group of jeeps on 40s headed up as I was back down and they were struggling more as the trail warmed and got more slick.
Awesome!
That "bypass" used to be smooth 4 years ago...but now its harder than the main obstacle due to errosion ect. 2 years ago we had to winch a newb stockish JK up it because our lead said she should take the bypass, since the last he knew it was good...lol.
By the end of the day on our run in 2020, every single person in the group was just DONE. Felt like we all had gone through 10 rounds in the boxing ring. We also went down the east side.
I feel you on that, it’s a rough day no matter what! That east side is just brutal.
I’ll take an XJ any day. They weren’t perfect, but they were amazing machines.
Absolutely!
Saw the beer cans on the trail. That has caused more accidents and breakage on trails than anything else! Not to mention the littering!
Now I like beer as much as anyone else, but do it at camp, not on the trail!
Sorry to preach, but I have seen and heard of too many accidents caused by alcohol!
By the way, liked you video and the fact that you are not doing it with 50,000 dollar machines! Keep up the good work!
I agree with you! I do occasional beer ratings as a fun, but not always accurate way of showing a trail’s rockiness. However, I never actually drink the beer. However, camp is the perfect place to enjoy them. Thanks for watching!
Love that trail. I slammed frame on some of the same spots you did. Didn’t have snow when I went but now I want to do with with snow capped trees, really adds to the view.
My goal is to do onion creek and Tusher Tunnel in the snow soon, let’s go buddy!
This takes me back i remember it being a lot easier when i did it. I remember doing that bypass/no bypass just following and being dumb. Did it though
Nice!
@@coloradomallcrawlers i was looking at the video, i can't believe how much different the trail looks in just 6 years. czcams.com/video/okn6__uYMLg/video.html
@@PatrickRich I’ll check it out tomorrow… I’ve been working all day.
I did it with 4cyl tj with 3” lift and 31 tires
Bash plates recommended and I had no lockers It was fun
Nice! I had 2.5L TJ… can be made into an impressive light weight rig!
I did this trail a year ago with a stock XJ w/ open diffs, just skid plates and a good set of A/Ts. It had some ice but overall it wasn't that bad.
Nice!
Nice
Yhanks
Thanks for watching!
We did the 'bypass' in our stock 2013 JK Rubicon on December 4th, 2021. Was done with and without lockers. Steel Bender...yeah...not so much. That one was tough.
Sweet!
Most obstacles have plenty of loose rocks that can be used to make a road up em if needed. I would lose the hitch sticking out of the Wrangler as when comin down it can hit and cause damage, just sayin. Great video and info. Been there twice and if you even like bein outdoors it needs to be on your bucket list
Absolutely, I was testing it to see if I could get the camper on the trail (before I did my research and learned there’s no camping along it). However, at the no bypass obstacle, I should have pulled it off as that would be as far as I would take the camper. Thanks for watching and catching that!
We did Top of The World maybe 7 yrs ago .... we were in a 2010 JKUR 2 in lift w/33’s. Had no problem but did take some of the easier lines. We were alone and had to be careful. It looks like it has gotten harder since we did it. Most of the trails around Moab have due to excessive use/abuse..
Yeah, increased use does impact a trail, but increased people getting into off-roading can help us save trails. This can be accomplished by joining trail crews, cleaning up trash on trails, and being a good representative of an off-roader. Thanks for watching!
Another Colorado wheeler/adventurer here. I’m a few hours south of Denver and spend most of outdoor trips doing mild trails and forest roads.
We did the trail from Dewey bridge to top of the world several years ago in mostly stock Toyotas. I think many of the trails require proper line picking and less about how big the tires are.
Very true, but top of the world is getting harder. Those drops on the south side of the loop are not small. Thanks for watching!
Have you done Switzerland trail?
Yes, it’s an old railroad grade, rated easy. Our cliffhanger 2.0 video has a harder option off of it.
Hi, Dewey. The week after you filmed this, my jeep club did the annual thing in Moab. Hope you remember the Old Goat, my 2005 Jeep Liberty. Only changes is a 3 inch lift and 31 inch tires. The Goat walked right up to the top of Top of the World. Did have to make one trail repair, had to replace a fuse! The Goat then came back out on the east side. WOW. But he made it without any trail damage or winching. Unlike the CJ2 that broke an axle and two wranglers who had breakage. Thanks for the memories. Karl.
I definitely remember the old goat and once I get my 2005 liberty here, you’ll have to show me how to use it 😉. I think I want 31s on mine, however I don’t think I’d do the east half of the loop with it, did you? Thanks for watching!
Great video. Would love to see a stock gladiator join your team.
Me too! I wanted one for a while also!
I haven’t even watched the video yet but the XJ was one of the more capable Jeeps in stock form, other than the TJ that is.
I own a 03 TJ rubi on one tons and I also have a stock 2012 JK on 32’s lol as much fun as it is to absolutely thrash my wonton TJ the JK is more fun to just see what it can do. Sure it gets hung up places I used to bring my TJ when it was stock, but there’s just something about wheeling a stock jeep.
Yeah, I have a TJR, and now a JLR (replaced the JK). Stock to stock, the JL is more capable. However, if the JL was on 30.5s too, the TJ would likely outperform. Both are a blast to wheel tho… my KJ is the most fun.
@@coloradomallcrawlers that’s how it’s gotta be looked at, if the JL were down on the small little tires the old Jeeps had it wouldn’t be able to do what it does, only due to a lack of clearance.
And yes I can imagine the KJ is fun to wheel! I’ve never had one but I do one one, just where I live things rust so quickly so it’s hard to find clean Jeeps used.
Did it with a Cherokee Pioneer, 33s lift and no lockers. Way before cell phones with cameras :( Spotters ARE important! Nice video!
I feel you, I rarely recorded videos of my wheeling in the past. I did try playing with a GoPro years ago, but now video tech has gotten so good. Your Pioneer sounds awesome! Thanks for watching!
@@coloradomallcrawlers I have a video of it in the mud and water-never mind the music..lol that was literally a Hi8 Camera we carried around.
Looks entertaining, don’t think you’ll catch me parking on that rock tho🤣
Hope you guys have a blast on it! Be safe with the snow!
@@coloradomallcrawlers 40% chance
@@coloradomallcrawlers woowee, the snow and ice totally added another dimension to this trail. We did it and boy was it a challenge, especially for jenn. The stock JL and I made short work of it. Right upto when I tried to pass a guy parked (who had decided to walk the last half mile, he was hoofing it back quick tho, because he knew he was in the way) and slid into him, no damage, we were lucky. The ice was something you had to be aware of at all times. Stopping was a bear and had to be planned, a panic stop could of been catastrophic.
The reason for the 35’s and Lockers, is to prevent wheel spin that tears up the trails.
Bigger tires put more surface area on a trail and potentially tear up the trails more than smaller tire vehicles. Gearing matters more when it comes to wheel spin. 35s and lockers are required for Easter Jeep Safari as even newer off-road drivers should have no problem keeping up with the group during the event.
@@coloradomallcrawlers Larger footprint improves traction. Lockers improve traction. More traction results in less wheelspin. Your video proves my point!
I did Top of the World around 3 years ago. A stock Jeep "can" do this trail, but I certainly wouldn't want to! I am lifted 2 inches with 35's (open diffs at the time) and did just fine, but I did test out my skid plates a few times. I damn near flattened my exhaust pipe coming down ledges on the way back.
Absolutely!
Did that trail on 31's . Easy stuff.
Nice!
thank you for the guide! it’s not as extreme as top of the world but can you make one for the 4x4 trail to tower arch in arches np?
Yeah, it’s on our list! I have a full time job that didn’t give me vacation this year, but I use my days off to cover more trails. Elephant hill and Tower Arch are on the list. I want to get golden spike, gold bar rim done soon too. Kane Creek is high on my list but it’s going be brutal and I need to be better prepared for that one (need a winch and more lights lol). Thanks for watching!
Watching this on a train heading into London. Man, this is a million miles away. 🤠. We have nothing like this here Dewie. Was that the Air 2 S that you trashed as I recall? Cheers, Ian
It was… it crashed on wipeout hill trail the next day lol. But I made the really expensive mistake and bought another one. I really love that drone. The flight time and picture really helps these videos! Thanks for the support from the beginning!
@@coloradomallcrawlers Dude. You're not the first person to buy a second one after crashing...... It's the best all rounder model 🤠👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Completed this trail on a 97 4runner 3" lifted sitting on 33s open diff
Nice!
My Tacoma (stock 2019 TRD Off Road on 31s) could probably do the easier side with some good line choice, main worry would be hanging up on the hitch. I did get some funny looks from guys in built Wranglers when I took it down Black Bear pass, but other than a few love taps to the front skid plate and a few minor hitch scrapes it did fine.
Yeah I think you’d be fine!
Black Bear Pass is more about the driver than the rig.
Any halfway capable rig should be able to do Back Bear with a good driver!
A lot of stock Jeeps take every season.
@@mahbriggs Yup, my stock Tacoma had no issue with it, funny part is a week before a 4Runner rolled on it, driver got scared and turned into the wall, his tire climbed the wall and over he went.
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Gnarly stuff. Thanks for the super informative video. A bit too rough for my Ranger, but looks like a fun challenge for those brave enough/with the right rig.
One video suggestion, on your pop in graphics, they get obscured by the CZcams controls, but I often find myself wanting to pause and read/look at them. Perfect example is the trail damage shown at the end. Maybe worth making them higher so they don't conflict with the controls/timeline.
Thanks man! That’s helpful, I’ll look into it. What are you watching it on? I watch it on my phone and tv to check it and haven’t noticed the controls issue, but I’ll definitely look into it. I usually leave the text boxes on for 6-10 secs, but do get that’s kinda fast at times. If anyone else sees this, can you put your feedback here. I’m learning as I go so I definitely want to improve this for you all.
@@coloradomallcrawlers this was on a desktop. Not a big deal just one of those little things. Thanks again for the great videos.
It’s all good, I actually like hearing this kind of stuff as I can look into it and possibly fix it. I’ll watch on my laptop tomorrow and see if I can recreate it. I usually tuck the info boxes in the corners to avoid obscuring the trail, but I’m sure I can tweak it.
Ya, took a subi with tall tires up there two years ago.
Sweet!
This was great to see lol. So is that front camera worth it on the new JL? Trying to decide if I want it. Also is the factory steel bumper winch capable?
Thanks! I’m still debating, it’s nice for shelf roads, but I haven’t figured it out for rock spotting yet (see Radical Hill for an example). Probably tho as it’d be a pain to wire up on your own I believe. The Steel bumper group is winch capable, but the rear bumper sucks. I think on Poison Spider, I tapped my rear, and it bumped into the body. It’s minor issue, but it shouldn’t do that in my opinion.
@@coloradomallcrawlers thanks man, appreciate hearing your perspectives. I’ll just opt for the camera and look at aftermarket bumpers
I hope someone picked up the beer cans that some ass hat left on the ground around 9:50. I'm digging the guide good job
I think Zach got it, but we usually do our best to pick up trash on the trails. Thank you!
Which gearing is Zack running in his XJ? Lot of manuals like my current one came with 3.07. Great video. Ran that 20 years ago in my stock XJ company car. Looks harder now with erosion.
I want to say 3.73 but let me let him answer. Thank you! A lot of trails are getting tougher.
I am currently running 3.07 out of an ax15, I’m holding off on a re-gear until I upgrade my tire size.
Im personally running the 3.07 gears in my 99 manual xj with 32.5s, I do have the posi rear 8.25. Its not bad and helps, But will re-gear when the 8.8 swap is being done.
A completely stock Bronco with mini van tires made it up Top of the World. so I had not doubt you could make it to the top
True, but a bronco stock comes with 35s and they say they’re multi-terrains. Thanks for watching!
@@coloradomallcrawlers no referring to the base model that comes with mini van tires
I just picked up a stock 2019 JLU Rubicon and I would love to do this trail this year but after watching your video I'm afraid I'll tear it up. It's on 33s with no lift. Are there enough bypasses that I would be able to manage getting up there without too much damage? The only mod is the Warn winch on the front. I don't think that should restrict the clearance any though. I did a few trails in Colorado last year in a rented 2020 Willys (I think it was all stock suspension) without any issues (Imogene, Mineral Creek, Engineer, Alpine loop, etc).
It’s absolutely your decision, but I’d like to add this. My JK used in this video was 10 years old and it has done much harder trails than this. It is pretty much stock (different tires but stock size and I replaced the rear diff cover as the stock one developed a leak). My Jeep had been rock solid for 10 years as a daily driver and as a wheeler. I believe they’re built for exactly this purpose. They protect vital components with skids, your sides are protected with rails (altho they could offer more protection, but they’re decent enough), and the components used were engineered to handle the rubicon trail. My JL is completely stock and it has been used on Radical Hill and Poison Spider… it has no damage and looks like it could be off the showroom floor. So, I’m just saying, you got an awesome vehicle built for off-roading. I think you’d be fine and come away without damage, but its ultimately your decision. You can always skip the harder other half of the loop and instead come back down the loop the way you came. Have a blast and thanks for watching!
@@coloradomallcrawlers Thanks for the info!
Man I gotta get out of pa and get out there.
Yeah, you’ll love it! When I was an east coast wheeler, I’d fly out and rent a jeep as that’s sometimes easier.
Trying to decide if I should attempt this in a stock suspension (larger tires) R51 Nissan Pathfinder 4WD with no lockers. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try. lol
Yeah, I leave those decisions up to y’all, but I probably would if I owned it. Have fun and go with someone!
@@coloradomallcrawlers I just watched a video of someone making it to the top with a Rav4. LOL! They had to winch it up a couple times but it made it. I'll give it a shot and if it's too much I'll just turn around.
I have had Red Rock 4-Wheelers tell me the trails required big tires and/or lockers a couple times years ago and we then took essentially stock vehicles up what they said was impossible. 35's and lockers? I could have told you they were full of it even before watching you run it. I have taken an old CJ-5 on trails that make this trail look like a highway. Limited slip in the rear only and 31's.
Lol, I knew we were fine… it was just to make better thumbnails as mine usually don’t do well. I’m going to be taking a stock (at first) Jeep Liberty on the trails next summer. Thanks for watching!
EJS vehicle requirements are to ensure the groups can keep moving at a quicker pace. I wouldn’t take them to be absolute minimum requirements
Absolutely! I think I noted that in the video. However, Zach and I kept a decent pace and we were constantly catching up to Jeeps on bigger rubber.
How do you think an Xj with 235/75r15 (29 inches?) with a front auto locker get through this? I have a tank skid and Willy eat a stransfercase skid soon
With skids and rock rails, you should be ok. Have fun!
Im going to attempt this with my totally stock 94 YJ running the stock 215 75 15 tires during the month of January when there's lots of snow on the ground....... NOT! That would stupid!
Lol, it has gotten worse since we filmed this apparently.
So looks like no problem for stock Rubicon if you're not allergic to using your lockers. The real question, could a KL do it without its transmission overheating or blowing up? I remember having to watch the trans temp gauge like a hawk when 4 wheeling with the KL Trailhawk that I had. That POS also blew up a transmission at 30k miles. That XJ would be unstoppable with some lockers, it was flexing really nice on Nasty.
Fearless Trailhawk did it, but I get your concerns for sure. It was no problem for the Rubicon without using the lockers.