This is why we have a mechanic shortage!
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2022
- An evaporator replacement under #warranty on a #toyota #tacoma pays 4.3 hrs.
So if this takes you 2 days to replace properly, you only got paid 4.3hrs of work for those 2 days. Warranty times need to be updated for numerous reasons or flat rate needs to be removed.
#evaporator #howto #mechanic #dealership #replacement #
It would take me 4.3 hours and a 12 pack just to get my mind right to start that job. 😂😂😂
Lol
Glad I'm not the only one that needs to build up motivation lol
Not me. Just give one can of monster. And I'm on it. 😅😅
That sure is a lot of work for a 4.3 hour pay I mean the whole entire dash Is out.
L😂L ie. Lots Of Lagers
Holy shit. 4.3. Fuck that.
Dealership pays them another 2 hrs atleast on house..then if it does take 6 hrs the dealership reports it to toyota so toyota changes that decision
4.3 because it’s warranty if it’s customer pay it’s about 10 hrs
Ok but meanwhile Toyota charging the customer at minimum of 130 an hour. But they wanna argue with you too give you 5 extra dollars an hour. Fuck working for a dealership start your own mobile service and charge 80 bucks just too show up and diagnose the problem. Waive the fee if they decide they want too get it fixed. But I'll be damned if I make any other company rich off my work ethic.
@@McLovinMcFlurryGreat comment too me too long to realize and i see this issue been going on !Mechanics /Technician are way underappreciated
@@McLovinMcFlurry why would you wave the diag fee
That would take me 4.3 days to do that and I would have forgotten how to put it back together 🤣🤣🤣
It’s not as hard as it looks I did mine in 8 hours. It looks way more overwhelming that it is.
Right? I could get it apart but putting it back together looks a lil tricky
@@jeffz1220 easier to put it together than it is to take it apart. Wayyyyy easier I’ve done these kinds of jobs many times.
That’s what pro demand is for.
end up with more screws than you started with
Love this video a lot of people don’t understand what it takes to be a professional mechanic and how much skill it takes to do a job properly.
If i find a mobile mechanic who USED to be a master ase mechanic, id go with him over a dealership. I want my fellow americans to make money, not huge multinational corporations.
@@droctavious3174 100% that what we independent mechanics call Main stealers (Main Dealers) 😆 I have a wonderful loyal customer base who always come to me with their vehicles. Blessed to be able to do a great job every time for them. I was also fortunate enough to learn from some of the best old school mechanics of their day.
@@droctavious3174 He could be mobile and still maintain his master ASE certification.
I’ve been wrenching for 40 years, they know why there’s a shortage, they’re not that stupid, they just don’t care.
Been at it 47 years and still always some new tools I require. It’s a job you have to love or forget it.
Exactly right. I'm 42 years into my apprenticeship so far...
The last couple of years is getting significantly worse.
All the gravy goes to lube techs and apprentices. The more experience you have the worse the jobs get and shorter time pays
The young ones don't care and they are TOO LAZY. The whole time they were in school they were told that they had to go to college and you have to be the manager or boss. That there is no value in being one of the workers. Whether it was directly said or implied.
They'll just import more people as an excuse, its happening in every industry.
Then they'll pay peanuts and they'll have monkeys.
This short-term thinking will bring us to our knees before too much longer.
When they will start to care is when they can't get anyone to do the job.
Let’s do the math on that let’s say u get $30 a hour flat rate and they payed you 5 hours for that job . For that whole job you get payed $150 lol. That’s my I got out of the industry you get robbed all day
That’s cause your slow. My boss and I could do this job (separately) in 4 hours.
@@Willyd2758 hahaha you proved my point even more . You got payed $120 to take a dashboard apart and replace the heatercore . If u did that for someone in yr own garage and they said they would pay u $120 for that job u would laugh in there face . Thats a $800 job yr boss is robbing you only paying you $120 . That y people don’t want to be mechanic anymore because you don’t get paid for what you do .
not just robbed. exploited, squeezed and not even the decency to get hung out to dry properly. even an actual lemons get more respect than we do at work.
Take your tools to a industrial equipment shop or something more specialized and agree to not get paid right for a few years while you learn. Once you have that experience you will always be paid right and never get dirty.
@@jameswilliamstrucking3769 yup youre right thats why i never turned a wrench for a shop i almost did..but thats why auto parts guys love working there you make real money when you do sidework on days off
I’m an Acura tech and have contacted acura and told them some of the labor rates don’t make sense and they’ve increased them. Just did a warranty transmission on a new mdx type S. Book time was like 7.2 hours and they increased it to 10 hours. I’m pretty sure manufactures are just making up labor times and techs have to start calling them out on their bullshit. I’m at the point to where if they don’t want to pay me fairly than they can have an hourly lube tech do it.
Dude I’m doing this from now on. Thank you for letting us know this.
@@StrongerThanBigfoot are you a Honda or Acura tech?
@@Camj27 I’m actually a diesel mechanic but work flat rate as well
Time studies are imperative to accurately determine the labor required to complete said job.
Good on you.
They pay horribly and wonder why things go wrong. Just like how Toyota never gives you warranty diag time but they want you to tear apart the whole car to check some stupid connector. The other day my co worker did the first differential service on a new Tacoma, idiots at the factory over tightened the fill plug and the threads came out with it. He had to helicoil it and he didn’t get a dime. Us techs are tired of getting punished for the factories mistakes!!!
Go to the independent land. You don't get jacked around if your in a reputable independent shop.
@@M4sterT3chyou still get jacked around because the owners always got a buddy he needs to help out and so does the service manager
@@ajp000000 Not my shop, treated 100% right.
Take videos of it. Tell the manufacturers to resolve the issues or they will lose sales once you post the videos.
Exactly
but going back to 2010 and as far back as the late 1980's evaporators and condensers never leaked for 20 years under the dash, very few dashes ever got pulled off, even heater cores lasted 20 years plus !!! today, everything is leaking at 12 to 24 months new from the dealer.
Ah yes, those pesky government regulations that push our manufacturing to oversea junk markets have come back to bite our ass.... but nobody wants to make our manufacturing great again.
all the MFG cares about is the sale, after that, its not the problem anymore.
Reason I used to prefer to buy foreign they cared about future sales unlike domestic who just care about the 1 today. Sadly the past yrs both have become just as bad 😢
Lol Chevy 1500 mid 90s was 4 bolts and like 15 minutes...
Well biggest kick in the rear would be the prices of these trucks . They charge insane pints and still can't build a top notch quality product.
Sure, 4.3 hours only if the tech is on meth. A good, sane,moral prudent tech would need to get paid 10 hours for wiggle room for the unknown problems that can or will happen .
multiply the 10 hours by 2 if its a Mercedes
Warranty is warranty bro they put the labor time on and there is nothing we can do
thats the thing with warranty you cant negotiate it
you can...4.3 hours to do the job, or zero hours not to do the job. Leave the shitty truck broken and find some other work where they don't pull your pants down. @@korylafland8325
@@luiscruz2854only thing you can do is NOT DO IT
I miss being a mechanic sometimes but then I see a video like this
Yeah 800$ I charged a lady and did it really well flush and all the components. 6 years later she still gets her car serviced and ac has been ice cold ever since. Never use stop leak
Has that stop leak stuff EVER worked?
@@MatthewBaran all it ever did was ruin components clog the system and cost more in the long run. Instead of just a compressor and maybe just condensor. You’ll be replacing lines, compressor, condenser, evaporator core. Or if you don’t have the money kill your ac system and leave you that way. I was 16 and I had no ac for 2 years in FL nearly killed me.
@@MatthewBaranall additives are a scam.. maybe 1 outta ea genre works say like 1 outta 9 fuel injector cleaners work etc they done a test already
@@AndrewKidd14145 I was in Texas for a few years without AC when I was a kid. try 115F without AC
There's a reason all my tools now sit in my garage for side work while I work in software development. Fuck being a mechanic ever again.
How’d you get out? I’m a tech stuck between software design and plumbing. Ai is getting spooky for entry level code monkeys like me and plumbing will always be in demand.
Auto makers want to design their shit annoying? Engineers maybe think its funny? Lets see what happens when there is nobody to fix their expensive products and they have angry customers wondering if their expensive vehicle is disposable!
@@gormenfreeman499we've been heading towards "non serviceable" stuff for a while now, its just becoming painfully obvious now. eventually the only place youl be able to get service is a dealer. and they will just throw parts at it. instead of actually diag/ fix.
@@gormenfreeman499well there's much less to fix on EV's. Which over half of cars will be in just 2 years
@@gustavrodriguez910easiest way is to just start at a help desk somewhere and get your feet wet. It's like being a lube technician. Doesn't pay great but gets ya going.
I like how the whole tonneau cover is being used as a table for parts lololol
This is why I like older vehicles, easy access and cheaper parts
this^ 💯
Yessir
Lmao😂 Evap/heater core has been like this for the last 30 years. Very few you don’t have to pull dash out of
@@trow8543right. Not to mention all the brittle plastic that will break on disassembly due to age
like yo momma
More techs need to post shit like this.....technology has gone too far!! Not worth being a mechanic anymore!!
Most manufactures are aware of this however it seems as if they don’t care about it which is why they are pushing these young kids to become full blown techs in matter of weeks. Which in return is resulting in massive comebacks, constant misdiagnosis, truck full of lemon laws and the list goes on…. YOU CANT TEACH EXPERIENCE!
I have a interview with a Toyota dealer tomorrow, and this is changing my mind😂
Go to a semitruck dealer instead. Still the same BS but at least you get paid more and have a bit more room to work with.
Toyota is ok, but don't even look at Mercedes
Hey I work at benz and make 100+ hrs a week my man nice fat 3500$ pay checks
@@the_first_resort940 Then you're very lucky. My son left Mercedes for Nissan, and makes a quarter more at Nissan.
How'd the interview go?
Holy mother of shit. 4 hours. Half my customers couldn’t do their oil change in 4 hours. 😂 most of the 20-30 year olds don’t even know how to fill a tire.
Fill a tire? With air?
I’ve heard stories of people taking all day with oil changes, I know I’m a tech but even at home on the floor with my jack I take 30 minutes
@@jss.2020... a resounding "YES"
no with transmission fluid......@@jss.2020
I’ve worked as a tire tech and also as a lube tech. The amount of clueless customers is just beyond my comprehension. The two that come to mind are a Nissan Sentra with 90psi in the tires, and a Toyota Camry that went over 20,000 miles on conventional oil. The canister filter was so hard and twisted, you could hit it with a hammer and it wouldn’t budge.
I’m speechless. That mess gives me anxiety. I’m not a bad DIY guy but that would frighten me knowing I had to put all that back together.
BIG same
Let be real, we would jusy abandon the project half way and make a listing for a used car on Facebook market 😂
The manufacturers that design these new vehicles don’t want you to repair them, they want to make it so difficult and expensive to repair that you just buy buy another new vehicle. Todays vehicles are throw away vehicles.
It's still more expensive to buy a whole new Tacoma. Pay $2000 for repair, or possibly free if under warranty. Or $50000 for a new Tacoma? That's real throw away right there. 🤡
Customers will eventually get angry wondering if their vehicle is disposable. Thats not good for the economy if people’s cars stop working too soon, government will get involved right away with anti-disposable regulation.
@@M4sterT3ch rifleman is still right though. MFG's design stuff specifically to last about as long as the vehicle warranty lasts..
oh yeah thats the solution...@@gormenfreeman499
@M4sterT3ch depends on the car. You buy a Nissan versa and the cvt transmission goes out that's $4500 right there without labor to install it. And you can't buy a used one because they fall apart before 100k miles. Lots of cars are throwaway cars. The repairs get so expensive people just drop another down-payment and move onto the next car
“Hey man, sorry I’ve got to give you this one. I know so and so ordered the part for it, but if I give it to him, he’ll do a terrible job and ruin things. Plus, he’s doing a brake job that he sold even though the pads had another 10,000 miles left on them.”
“What do you mean you’re turning your two week notice in!?!”
Honestly, instead of giving UAW raises, they should've given techs raises.
Well if the techs had a union they could, negotiate that. Money isn’t paid on what’s fair, it’s paid on who fought for it most.
Techs don’t work for the manufacturers…
@@RichardTheWizard
Consolidate the whole collision industry with that. Insurance dictates shop rate at 60. Tech cut is 20 flate rate no base pay, no benefits. We need some leverage.
Time to call in a sick day
Am not a mechanic and i had to do the same job in my 96 civic and is a pain in the ass took me a whole day. I feel you bro
I did this to a Camaro. I have pictures for proof and I had to also remove the dash and the windshield. I paid someone to remove the windshield though and he told me it might break but he was an OG and got it out right. When I was done I called him up to install it after bolting down the dash and wipers.
This information is for all my technicians out there, if this is a warranty or book time, please believe you will need to use a multiplier of 1.5 to 2.0 times. So, if this job is 4.3 hours book, our new billed times would be 6.45 hours to 8.6 hours. Note to bleed the cooling system is more time, also to evacuate and recharge the a/c system is a separate time. I'm a shop owner and tech, we have let too much slide in the industry get YOUR MONEY!
And all of that will go to your chiropractor for the damage it's done to your body. 4.3 is BS.
My number 1 reason for working for a larger family owned business. I earn hourly to be there, as well as tech tine per job. I still earn my wrench hours. Dealershios dont care about a tech.
It’s most likely a manufacture warranty job. That’s why the time is so low. Customer pay time would be 7 to 10 hours. But yes, manufacture warranty on heavy line work are bullshit
Lmao ….
Thank you 🙏
You summed it up in just a few short minutes
Imagine an 07 dodge that only pays 5
Everything just crumbles when you touch it lmao good times …
I just retired at 59, from the best shop I ever worked at. Right there is one reason of many, aside from my body being shot from 40 years being an auto tech. They paid hourly and stressed quality over quantity, but still....When I had to pull the front doors, along with instrument panel and carrier, console, steering column, hvac plenum, etc...., to replace a heater core on a 2018(?) Ford Fusion, it was the last straw, so to speak. In other words, it made my mind up about retiring or not.
That's why I don't do warranty work anymore. Went got a CDL. No more depressing heater cores and other 💩
That’s why you shouldn’t work under somebody but rather get your own shop. I’ll charge depending how hard the labor is 💵
Flat rate is killing the industry! This is what is driving the shortage of mechanics ( I know they prefer "techs") but the best are truly MECHANICS and should be proud.
No just no 😂😂😂 give them more than 1 harnesses and modules and theyre lost
Its not flat rate, if the 4.3hr was paid $100 per hr to the tech and charged $140 to customer no one would be quitting or complaining. Instead its $20 to the tech and $140 to the customer...
Just did this on a 2024 sentra that hadn’t even made it to the first oil change. 4.5 warranty time. Took 7 hours to do it right, no leftover hardware, no rattles, no comeback. Leaving the dealer after 18 years for an independent shop that’s paying me more than $20/hr more. ✌🏻
Im not a professional but putting a timing belt on my wife's PT cruser has made me have a renewed respect for good mechanics. These cars today are a pain in the a×× to work on.
Gosh, I went through this repair on my own, since no mechanic wanted to do this job, because of the demanding work.
I have done most of the work on the parking lot of the nearby grocery store during summer.
It took me two days.
Never ever again. 😤
I would rather do the basic maintenance, changing the radiator is so annoying without a headlight
4.3 hours!!!! MDT here 1997-2011 Toyota. I got out then, it only got worse.
Totally insane! All engineers and 'bean counter's' should be required to work on what they've designed.
Most Evap’s are 7-8 plus 1.2 to recharge if it’s YF under warranty
^ur comment
manufacturer: lets see.... if I inject adrenalin and feed some cocaine to the tech/ point a gun to their head.......
ah haa! I knew it! these slackers can get it done in 5 hours! so now we subtract the 1.2 for recharge and just have someone else foot that bill. yeah I think 3.8 is fair.
only competent person in the building: but sir this car has no rust and is in a controlled environment plus the dealerships don't offer cocaine....
manufacturer: ur fired!
some engineer: sir should I add another computer?
manufacturer: yes!
that engineer: how about we change the position of the oil filter out of the engine and put it inside the dashboard? and ad another computer.
manufacturer: yes yeees! you sir deserve a raise
engineer: yay! computers!
@@attiumeyami417 they cover the bill under bumper to bumper lol most are 7-8 under warranty customer pay you can get 10-12
@@michaelsieber6601 bro listen, I don't want to touch no dash board unless im getting paid 10+. the time it takes to do anything that requires dealing with a dashboard, I could have done 3 PDI's and a brake job. then whatever job I get after would still be more than doing a warranty evap. however for 10+ hours the car is welcome to come chill in one of my abandoned secondary bays all day if it likes.
(our abandoned bays are courtesy of our manufactures and their warranty times.)
@@attiumeyami417 well on the ford and dodge trucks they are modular dashes and come out as one piece after pulling out steering column. a lot of the dodge truck and vans call for 6-8hrs and i will happily do those for that prices. the cheapest toyota i will do is 12 hours.
Really....?😬😬
Only 4.3 hrs?
Is that customer pay or warranty?
Probably warranty
Its called flat rate. Automotive manufacturers write a book on repairs and how long they should cost. Working flat rate is a dying breed.,
@@GoldBl4d3 the labor guides are only that, guides. no one has to abide by the guide, Shops use the guide to under pay their techs, not overpay them..
good luck getting paid for more hours from the mfg. ( warranty work)@@userpike
The book times are the same warranty or paying customers or at least that's how it works in the UK
Yep! That crap is exactly why technicians are moving on.
Sometimes it takes .5 or more to find the vehicle to get it in the shop.
Warranty work sucks 😪 I quit when Honda had the v6 transmission problem in 2000😂
You can thank the designers and engineers. Have no regard for maintenance.
Because of the pay shortage sorry I mean technician shortage is why so many professional technicians are working out of there garages at home and still have full time employment opportunities elsewhere.
Auto company’s have been trying to eliminate the little guy(independent shops) for years. And slowly they’re achieving their goals.
That's why us older guys said fuck the dealership. Who wants to do warranty work?
UPS drivers make over $170K a year, no tools, endless tech training, come backs to deal with. Dealer mechanics are the only profession that uses a flat rate pay system to screw over an individual on warranty repairs.
UPS drivers DO NOT make 170k a year. 😂 MAAAAYBE 70k +benefits.
Lololololololololololol okay billy
And Billy Horton is smoking $170k worth of crack
That's Fu'd up. 4.3 does not even get the dash out
If you think that's bad go look at a university post doc doing research to cure cancer, make about the same 😂
Yeah the important jobs don't get paid. Drug dealing, only fans, war, and pimping is where money is made lol
As a former Lexus technician, I felt that stare at the end.
why i prefer to own 80s & 90s vehicles.easy to work on, good parts availability, very affordable.& no massive amounts of bullshit.
No way it pays 4.3
That’s Toyota/lexus warranty pay for you😪
some of the recalls are worth it when it comes to getting paid by warranty
@@Buttfluff even under warranty that looks more like 5-6 to me
Yes it does. I’m a Toyota tech, there is a service bulletin for Tacomas making a whistling noise through the evaporator and 4.3 is the book time.
@@andybub45 what’s the bulletin number
Flat rate warranty is theft from the mechanic!!!
Yet another thank you to out amazing engineers
Illinois now u get time in a half from warranty time from factory. Better than nothing 😂😂
Whoever came up with 4.3 hours to do that job, tell that person to actually do the job.😅
I have been a yota tech and I can do that job in about 5 hours. After you learn how to make a plan on these large projects you can zip dashes out in no time. I replaced fuel pumps and air bags for the recalls and I was doing them(CORRECTLY) in about 25% of book time. This is a crappy job but it can be done close to book.
bro that looks to me like a 10 hour job maybe more and over the course of a couple days. I'd want $1000 at least for that labor and highly detailed work
THANK YOU. Master ASE and Toyota expert here.. just started my new career as a biomedical technician and strongly encourage all good techs to do the same. I will never heal from the years of pain and low wages.
What is that? I’m starting school for diesel mechanic on the 25th hoping all goes well.
Hahah thats a scam
And the designers would argue its impossible to design so a small area around glove box could come off for access to that
So sick of forced obsolescence and designs now even factory techs dont wanna do it
Soon the wrecking and junkyards will have these modern turds piled up and will just go straight to the crusher.
But yet they will charge the customer over a $1000 to do that job !
It’s been that way for years. I remember doing the same job on a mazda 929 under warranty and getting paid 2.5 hours for 2 full days of work.
Wow that's crazy. Call that underpaid and being taken advantage of and like that.
That's why I own my own Mobile Mechanic business and pick and choose my Jobs 🧠💪🏼🔧 👊🏼
When you consider the amount of work required on top of all the tools you need to purchase just to make 55-60k a year is why you have a shortage. I made 160k last year working 4 days a week in an office setting
I'm not feeling good Boss, I'm going home!!
These types of job required around 12-13hrs to be fair… and not anything lower than that! 👌🤝🤞🙈
Hourly rate is the way to go in my eyes
Feeling better that I chose to be an industrial hvac chiller tech... good pay and perks.
That’s ridiculous. Screw that. Ford does the same shit to our techs.
When I shop for vehicles that’s literally one thing I look for, is the condenser somewhat accessible without removing the dash. Every car is going to have ac problems eventually so I see it as a problem that I will have to deal with.
4.3 hours for that job
Gotta love the kind of realistic time standards
Fleet Maintenance. Is the answer.
This is how the industry causes mechanic shortage lol
💯 this is why I left flag time at dealerships and went hourly in heavy equipment. The money is better the hours or almost the same the work is slightly harder more stressful at times just due to being newer to equipment and it’s heavier larger but for someone who loves being a mechanic look into fleet or equipment even diesel they pay hourly.
On 2016-2021 honda civics, the Evaporator pays 4.9 to R&R, with 0.3 to Evac&Recharge the A/C with 0.425kg R-1234yf. It's the exact same process.
And this is why I'll never go back to a flat rate shop. A1-A8, T2-T8, and it just isn't worth it any longer. I'm just glad I didn't get sucked into the tool trucks, too.
RAV4 is the same, I just did one. Didn't get paid though, it my one of my personal cars. That was the first time doing one. Could probably do it in the allotted time if it was my actual job. Yes stuff like this is why I'm a truck driver in stead of turning wrenches. Flat rate work is for suckers all around. Hourly only, all semi/heavy equipment shops around here are hourly. Auto dealerships mostly flat rate, and for some reason no one works there lol
Same for my 2011 Toyota Avalon and I just had it replaced
I feel your pain. It’s the same at Honda
Customer be like.. but the noise wasn't there before.
This why I don’t work flat rate, but props to you brother
The amount of money spent on this labor I’ll just go get me a salvage truck and rebuild it
Somebody in charge of design needs to put an end to that kind of stuff.
Impossible you might not see it but this mess is actually making the car companies filthy rich . It's complicated but they know exactly what their doing
Car engineers thinking this is the way. How are they not the ones getting death threats 😹
Reminds me of the abs module warranty extension mk5 Volkswagen Golf and jettas have, if it’s a TDI you have to remove the DPF and they’ll pay you 4.5hrs to remove the DPF remove and replace abs module reinstall DPF and bleed the brakes afterwards.
idk even wanna know how many clips and shit got broken just taking all that apart and putting it back together.
I can’t believe Toyota designed that evap to be like that
Is not just toyota, it's all manufacturers.
Its to force minor issues to stay on a car long enough that its considered junk and goes to the undermarket asap. Subscription based life babyyy
sending every customer with an evap job over 5hrs this video.
Those Tacoma dashes are easy as hell though. I had a blower motor connector get fried and insurance said do the whole harness. Quoted 8 hours because I couldn’t find a time and I tell you what I did the entire dash harness out AND in within 2 hours. Absolutely blew my mind how easy it came apart
I've been there and done that... Man it's no longer me.... It ain't me man.. no no no no no no it ain't me
For that, Toyota said it's now 1.3 hours. Chop-chop!
This had to be repaired three times on my 2018 honda civic , I was shocked . All the hard work these mechanics had to do over and over . Car ended up a lemon and was sold.
I did this same job on a 2021 Tacoma and got paid 10 hours. You must be doing warranty work at a dealership.
My mechanic did the same to my 2008 Toyota Avalon for the evaporator.
I went on my own and started my own shop. I do these evaporator jobs but I charge a lower rate and bill actual hours. My schedule is out 8 weeks.
A simple oil change has became a pain. 20 10mm bolts to remove a splash gaurd, because the car company didnt think it was important to make oil filter and drain plug access.
This is the reason why I decided to be an engineer. Turning renches is more interesting sure, but getting treated like a slave is way worse than sitting in a office doing slave paperwork.
And that’s why I decided to be a service advisor