John Updike and John Cheever on The Dick Cavett Show

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  • čas přidán 17. 06. 2023

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  • @robertcotgrave5920
    @robertcotgrave5920 Před 2 měsíci +6

    I'd like to think that people still read books. I'm discovering these amazing people and it's incredible.

  • @richardburton5706
    @richardburton5706 Před 7 měsíci +16

    What a marvelous heartwarming conversation. and a display of interesting personalities.

  • @mattmacneil3424
    @mattmacneil3424 Před 7 měsíci +14

    wonderful interview. all three of them are such cordial guys. I'd never heard john cheever speak before.

    • @adamsasso1
      @adamsasso1 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Same, and he’s one of my favorite writers. That’s what drew me to this video. I was not disappointed!

    • @terrenceolivido741
      @terrenceolivido741 Před 3 měsíci

      what i found with Cheever is his particular class that he wrote about is unfathomable to most of America - even more so today. Updike wrote about sex, so that is some connection to the casual reader. My most important writer personally is never ever mentioned - Henry Miller.

  • @QuadMochaMatti
    @QuadMochaMatti Před 7 měsíci +9

    Mr. Ross' lover man, John Cheever, author of the Cheever Letters.

  • @lynnturman8157
    @lynnturman8157 Před 7 měsíci +11

    Read these two writers and you will discover an America Lost that you will not find in any other medium, be it music or movies or newsreels.

  • @joralemonvirgincreche
    @joralemonvirgincreche Před 3 měsíci +2

    I came here to hear the "pure Bostonian catarrhal dialect" of John Cheever as someone described it, and stayed for the whole interview. What a great interview.

  • @timothymeehan181
    @timothymeehan181 Před 6 dny

    I’m late to Cheever. Been reading all of his short stories over the last 4-5 years, and realize now how much Mathew Weiner and his writers were channeling him(& John O’Hara) when they were writing all of those brilliant, literary(& literate) Mad Men episodes….🙏🎭

  • @user-rz6bc2cl3c
    @user-rz6bc2cl3c Před měsícem +1

    Wow! What society could have been like, 3 cordial, reasonably intelligent men sitting around enjoying what was then called 'a conversation'.

  • @terrenceolivido741
    @terrenceolivido741 Před 3 měsíci +5

    First, John Updike was the kindest person. It really does stand out in his life. He encouraged all other writers and he just seemed to spread himself like a supportive blanket. John Cheever ... Here we hear John seemingly affecting a British upperclass accent. I had connection with rich NorthEast families. I never heard anyone with that accent. Having said that, i would like to think of these two like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. For al the unhappiness of life - and large portions seemingly self-created - we have in contrast the incredible specialness of the pairs mentioned above. Almost god-like role models. There are a lot of great heroes if you look. You have to let the fakers, the poseurs and the inevitable minor-flaws of the real heroes go-by. I do find greatness is in the eye of the beholder. People who have given-up usually only want to tear down everyone to their miserable level.

  • @hayleyanna2625
    @hayleyanna2625 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thank you for sharing this. Two exceptional writers.

  • @terrenceolivido741
    @terrenceolivido741 Před měsícem

    I have criticized so much ..., going back to this interview i am grateful it happened and it is important to see them. I discovered after this interview - if i am correct - Cheever was dying of cancer and died shortly thereafter. It is hard for me not to love these two and - forgive me if i am repeating - this makes me think of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. In all that falls apart - never forget - my friends, our heroes. Life is an heroic endeavor and some people express it better in their art. I also see how an honest author - and these are - is perplexed by life as everyone, yet they produce their " fine art " and are also perplexed by it.

  • @terrenceolivido741
    @terrenceolivido741 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Now we have travelled so far ... America. Look, Look at these giants - anything more i would say would demean them.

  • @dualmp8
    @dualmp8 Před 4 měsíci

    my two favorite writers

  • @Brandon-tk2rw
    @Brandon-tk2rw Před 8 měsíci +10

    This is the first time I've heard Cheever's New England/Transatlantic accent... It really does sound suss af.

  • @dwaynesbadchemicals
    @dwaynesbadchemicals Před 9 měsíci +11

    Murica is too dumbed down for a show like this to survive anymore. That’s a shame.

    • @kreek22
      @kreek22 Před 8 měsíci

      The entire American Empire has suffered a decline in humane learning. Nor have those few places still outside of it taken up any of the slack.

    • @terrenceolivido741
      @terrenceolivido741 Před měsícem +1

      " Things ain't like they used to be ..., and never was ."

  • @norrispulliam7810
    @norrispulliam7810 Před 11 měsíci +28

    There was a time when people actually read books and had attention spans long enough to finish entire chapters of novels .instead of Twitts and instaneous meaningless drivel. two literary Geniuses .

    • @milesknightestrada3286
      @milesknightestrada3286 Před 10 měsíci +14

      There are remarkably many people who remain devoted to literature today as ever they did in the past. I predict that we shall see a resurgence reading and writing in the next few years that will endure until the days run out.

    • @Brandon-tk2rw
      @Brandon-tk2rw Před 8 měsíci +2

      "instead of tweets and drivel."
      -"instaneous" [sic] adds nothing to the sentence
      -"meaningless" is implied in the word drivel, i.e., nonsense
      -maybe next time use something like "thumb-twitching palaverist" if you want to use some literary effect to drive your point home

    • @Brandon-tk2rw
      @Brandon-tk2rw Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@milesknightestrada3286 Conversely, the literary arts have always been the hobby horse of the upper class and will continue to be so.

    • @norrispulliam7810
      @norrispulliam7810 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Brandon-tk2rw you are a complete moron how would you transliterate that?English major?

    • @WordoftheElderGods
      @WordoftheElderGods Před 6 měsíci

      oh shut up

  • @MrLChurchill
    @MrLChurchill Před 4 měsíci

    Did Dick Cavett stay up all night so as to look more interesting?

  • @marlafelcher295
    @marlafelcher295 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Great. Love both of their books and stories. But so reminded how happy I am that the world of WASP male privilege is over.

  • @britteach
    @britteach Před 4 měsíci +3

    I watched Dick Cavett because his handler's always seemed to invite interesting guests to his show. Sadly though, Cavett is often disappointing and an ignorant host. In one interview with Anthony Hopkins he spent more time talking about himself than about Hopkins. Here again, Cavett is woefully unprepared. If he had ever read anything written by Cheever and Updike, you wouldn't be able to tell here. His questions are inane and his comments light, superficial and ultimately meaningless. If it wasn't for the good graces of Updike bailing him out, this interview would have been a washout. I admire both authors greatly and had hoped to have gained some insight into specific stories and novels that they both wrote. But Cavett didn't do his homework here and once again failed to do his job as an interviewer.

    • @hunter23138
      @hunter23138 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I hear you. Cavett's job seems to be to create a bridge between the literary sphere and pop culture and manages to do that, while, like you say, coming across as a bit dumb.

    • @terrenceolivido741
      @terrenceolivido741 Před 3 měsíci

      sure, Cavett at times came accross in other interviews as a complete bore. However, as i said in a comment above , well, it was graceful and nice just to see these two enduring authors relaxed and together and nicely dressed ... Things have gotten so stupid in America ... I will leave you to fill in my point, because my age and the incessant stupidity has tired me out.

    • @MsMiika13
      @MsMiika13 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Couldn't disagree more. Cavett is a wise, insightful & clever interviewer. He gets his guests to reveal true bits of themselves. His role is to inquire. He is able to elicit.

    • @zoaxanthellae
      @zoaxanthellae Před měsícem +1

      I sort of get this, but I much prefer this more conversational and open-ended style to an interviewer straining to show how smart they are -- and I'd guess both Johns had had enough encounters with literature fans to not want another. To me the lack of specificity gives the guests a space to fill

    • @terrenceolivido741
      @terrenceolivido741 Před měsícem

      @@zoaxanthellae I think " Charlie Rose " was a good interviewer. Cavett had to do regular interview on a schedule and did not have enuf time to prepare. I also noticed in other interviews that Cavett had an ego and certainly wanted to appear witty and smart. A great interviewer asks good questions and shuts up. Alex Jones has bizarly been shutting up more and more these last few years and letting people answer questions.