AVATAR: The Way of Water (2022) Review
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I liked it a good deal. A lot of the criticisms are valid, but for some reason, I still felt kind of invested, and would like to see where they take the kids going forward. And while this will depend on the person, the downtime didn't bore me. Maybe because I watch BBC nature docs, but I also like the slow atmospheric, almost Ghibli style moments where the characters are basically vibing amd trying to immerse you in the world. There is too much of it, yeah, but it never got annoying. That is just my opinion though, and you are more than free to disagree.
I personally feel like the end of the movie wouldn't have worked if we didn't spend as much time with the characters. We needed to get to know them in order to care about everything that happens later.
Sounds really inefficient
The first hour is a 4/5, the middle is a 3/5 and the last hour is a 5/5. It got slow in the middle but the last 60 minutes made me completely forget about it. Cameron is a master at action and the movie expands the world, puts a wonderful emphasis on family and fatherhood which are themes missing from blockbusters today.
That means one can take a break during the middle bit and not miss much?
@@RoodeMenon ideally yes. there are some breathtakingly beautiful underwater visuals you'll miss out on, but if you had to go at some point, I'd suggest after the Tulkun saves Lo'ak and they're swimming together.
I honestly think the first our was 5/5 but I definitely agree that the middle dragged a bit.
You meant 0/5, 0/5 and 0/5.
Based on your last statement... Go watch Guillermo del toros Pinocchio!
Saw it in imax last night, fantastic visuals, great scenes on and in the ocean. The writing didn’t blow me away, but I was invested in the visual splendor mostly.
yeah exactly.
What my friend and I loved about this movie is the smaller scale of the plot and the focus on family. It's not an exaggerated sitcom version of a family but an incredibly realistic and subtle dynamic that shows you how well Jake and Neytiri raised their kids. None of them came across as trope characters and reminded me heavily of my cousins, who would have each other's back no matter the circumstance while still having their own lives. That level of support doesn't show up much in movies without being overbearing and considering they're the focus of the movie, it shows that the writers were aware of what they were doing. If the movie took a grander turn a la Star Wars, then I would've tuned out.
Look guys, if you like Avatar, you’ll like this. If you hated avatar, you won’t like it. Simple as that. For me, even though the story is simple, it doesn’t ruin it for me. I could watch any movie with a much for compelling story and characters and leave the movie and say “That was a great movie,” yet I probably won’t ever watch it again. With Avatar however, it’s fun, engaging, immersive, gorgeous, and has wonderful action sequences. After I left the theatre I couldn’t wait to watch it again and I’m going back with my girlfriend tonight and I’ll most likely view it one more time and buy it on dvd. TLDR: story is meh, everything else is phenomenal and I’m frothing at the mouth for more.
I have to disagree with your review mate. Personally I enjoyed the movie a lot. I didn't find it boring it at all. I thought it was quite emotional.
Yeah it was Hella emotional. That ending... Oooffff.. could feel Jake's pain hey. And the rest was so good! I loved this sequel.
@@benjamynhazelton1162 Neytiri going full killer mode at the end, DAMN
Just a minor point, 3D home theater projectors are still being produced and anyone with a PS4 VR is also able to watch 3D movies.
As big as the first movie was initially, it had little staying power for many. The toys and merchandise didn't sell at all and in the 10+ years since the first film came out you rarely see any merchandise. It's a film that left people's minds pretty quickly. Pretty visuals to entertain for a couple of hours but nothing deeper to leave an impact.
I honestly liked it more than the first, but not by a wide margin. I enjoyed the slower parts that follows the kids learning and interacting with the other tribe. The visuals are good on a technical level and an artistic level. It really shows that James Cameron loves nature and the sea. The action was so much fun to watch as well, and I loved all the scenes showcasing the futuristic tech, especially the massive vessel. Hopefully, the next sequel has a more inspired story. This film's story felt just as generic as the first one.
One thing is that the script for the Second film was apparently split in two so Avatar 2 is technically Avatar 2: Part 1, and Avatar 3 is Avatar 2: Part 2.
After reading an exhaustive breakdown of T2 with quotes from Cameron himself I’ll be watching for how he flips characters in unexpected ways.
I’m guessing Quaritchs Na’vi body will have implications on his self image and he may want to become top Papa Smurf etc.
To piggy back on what Cameron should do after Avatar, I would give anything to see him finally do 4k upgrades to The Abyss, Aliens, and True Lies...nevermind a proper restoration of Terminator and T2
With how poor the film stock quality was for Aliens that's gonna be a massive doubt, but would be cool if possible
T2 looks great in 3D on psvr
James is doing right on Avatar what Lucas did wrong on the prequels. The latest tech being used on a simple story rather than needless cgi on an underwritten and muddled story.
"...needless CGI on an underwritten and muddled story."
That's my exact review of the movie.
@@yuothineyesasian huh? You didn't watch this at all. stop hating, avatar 2 is better than every star wars movie that's been released since 1983
@@yuothineyesasian "muddled"? The story was super simple, what part of it felt "muddled" to you, if I may ask?
Why did you downgrade the latest tech in the prequels to "needless cgi"? 🤔
@@Nitrobottithe prequels have bad cgi, it aged poorly. Reminder that lotr came out before ep 3
I watched in on IMAX 3D and enjoyed it very much. It as more of a visual spectacle than a movie, but what a spectacle it was.
This was about 12 years too late and 90 minutes too long.
I think Oliver is wrong about the first one being better TWOW was much more interesting to me. I watched the original the day before seeing the sequel (in 2D no less) & enjoyed the second one much more.
I saw it in 2D and loved it. The 3 hours went fast. Last hour is action packed! I will see it again in IMAX 3D. 4 1/2 out 5 for me
Everyone I know watched it in 3D, so I was wondering how was the experience in regular format!
I watched it in IMAX 3 D
It was amazing!
@@SaranghaeOppa I watched it in 2d and felt like I wasted 7$ and 3 hours
Yeah we saw it in 3D as well.. was NUTS! butttt I can't wait to see it in normal now as you know those 3D glasses are like darker shades etc and it's just not as "clear" as normal viewing. I loved Avatar 1 even on Blu-ray on my TV so the second one will be great just the same
Anyone who is saying this movie is bad and giving bad reviews is on something. It’s crazy to me that even if you are a top critic - whatever that’s worth - you could recommend people not see this film. It absolutely needs to be seen by anyone and everyone at least once. From there do what you must with you’re opinion, but If you’re a fan of cinema history and where we’re at with modern film you have to see this- even if you’re not and just want the experience of something fresh. It’s just amazing to see what Cameron and his team have done. The problem nowadays is everyone is looking for these complex mind thrilling plots. Cameron has and will always use basic plots (Terminator, Aliens, Avatar, Titanic) but drive the film forward with amazing effects and an immersive environment.
10/10 5/5 for me, the whole shabang (even with the slow parts). Simple story, some very entertaining and realistic dialogue, and amazing effects that speak louder than the personable characters.
People have just lost patience with films that develop slowly and meaningfully articulate the plot (they always have to be stimulated every few minutes)
I Really liked it. I was actually invested once the „boring“ water stuff started, because we spend some meaningful screen time with all the characters and I loved how they handled a specific very large character who becomes important especially in the climax.
I could actually see Avatar continuing on with Jake‘s kids as the main characters in later installments. Some of them actually were more well characterized than he himself imho.
I don’t expect any deep story, but I do feel some characters had more depth than in the first one, especially the villain.
I also don’t think Cameron‘s films were ever all that deep or complex, so I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss the Avatar films on those grounds.
Anyway, go watch it in 3D and on as massive a screen you can find.
I was in secondary school when the first Avatar came out. I was beginning to think a sequel would never happen. So glad it’s finally here.
"James Cameron is a thinking man's Michael Bay."
- Mike Stoklasa
Bay shouldn’t be in the same sentence as Cameron.
Avatar featuring Tarzan
Great film. The c.g.i and 3-d visuals were awesome. Can't wait for Spring to get here for the ''4-K ULTRA'' a.k.a ''SUPER HIGH DEFINITION'' Blu-ray.
It’s so unfortunate that Cameron is wasting his talents on the Avatar series as his final films.
I'm suprised you didn't love it. *spoilers*
I thought the story was smaller and more focused. The reason the humans came back isn't for the whales. They came back to colonize the planet...the whale trade is a separate business story.
The family dynamic is pretty clean, the human in the avatar and the Navi in the human concept. Similar to planet of the apes. Spider fits this perfectly.
Kiri (sigourney weavers Character) was born when they couldn't transfer her body into her old avatar...so it has the aspects of reincarnation. She will more than likely go back to earth down the road to re grow our planet. That's my guess.
Over all I thought this movie was better in story than the first, with a smaller more focused plot. With better effects.
You're not the only who finds the sequel a little better than the first. It's not a perfect movie, mind you, but yeah, I thought the world-building and the philosophy of the water (especially in 3D) edges out the first a little in my opinion once I got over certain problems with the story, minute length, and the overall weak dialogue.
Uhhg, thanks for ruining it. Spoilers alert*
@@disneyfanlover905 yep I liked it more than the first for sure. Cameron is really showing people how to have empathy. And it's something to be celebrated not made fun of.
I didn't like how the sully kids said "Bro" though that was so stupid haha.
@@robertwieczorek5838 hope you didn't watch this review because it goes into more than I did.
I think you nailed how Kiri was created which the film didn't spell out. Love her character and now it makes more sense. Thank you :)
Absolutely perfect review. You echoed my thoughts almost exactly. How is this the script they spent 14 years on?! (I was less impressed with the score ) great firm but fair review.
Cameron has a talent for visuals and action. Just has definitely lost his touch for narrative. Which is fine. Still going to be entertaining.
One of those things where you have to see it in theatres or there’s no point. Like the first one it’ll be a great theatre experience but less so at home. I’m sure some will definitely love it. Tastes do vary after all. And good for them.
There is no such film as 'Terminator 1'...it's called 'The Terminator'...and yes it matters.
Good fun popcorn movie. 🍿 👍.
For me it was more than just fun pop movie.
The movie have a heart. Perhaps I felt this as I could relate very much to father son dynamic in this one.
First one I liked. This one I loved.
Your reviews are sublime. Thanks
Happy Christmas, Oliver Harper!
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On the money. It was just a rehash of the first movie complete with reboots of the same villains and in the end no good enthralling story. Lordy instead of a valuable mineral we now have whale oil as the fountain of youth. Really a long winded disappointment. The visuals can't save this one.
seen it in theaters in 2D and it looks Great
After the theatre I came home and watched Escape from New York just to balance out the budget. I agree 3/5 👍🏾 the story was not engaging enough.
God, it sounds like Cameron's morphed into a clone of George Lucas. Sod all story, terrible dialogue, all reliant on dazzling SFX in order to fool you into thinking that it's a great movie. I wonder if he's been taking movie making lessons at Skywalker Ranch?
My bet is that in 20-30 years time it will become retro hit
Critcis are always like that. When something new is popular, they'll hate it because it's cool to be different 😂 then after 30 yrs, they look back on this film and "this masterpiece" 🤣
Loved the movie. Best of the year by far
Regarding the “written for children” script, I wonder if Cameron envisions this film making more money with non-English-speaking audiences.
Good point. Simple is probably better for a worldwide audience. I'm a simpleton, so I really loved it -- watching again on Christmas day.
I loved the movie and for a 3 hours movie I wasn't bored at any point. All this said, the ending was a bit lacking for me.
- They were all fighting together and all of the sudden the people from the water disappeared when the enemy were fewer even though the leader's daughter was still there.
- Kiri having those water powers could have done something cooler with it, like when she stopped the submarines, rather than just being constantly captured right at the end.
- Spider and his "father" needed more character development to justify the ending part. He is supposed to like the girl he grew up with, but saved his "father" whom he doesn't know much about and who's only purpose was to kill among others, that girl.
- A guy like Miles who just wants revenge and is merciless with sociopathic traits won't change or have empathy, or care about his "son" all of the sudden, unless they would have made clear that although his tendency was towards violence and revenge, because of Miles memories, he was no the same person. If this was shown more clearly it could have given Spider a real reason to actually care about his "father" and it would have made sense for him to care about his "son".
- When the mother, Neytiri was fleeing from the big ship and they see the fire and for some reason go back to the ship rather than just swim under water to pass the fire complicating things even more.
Love this movie!
It's a matter of taste. If you get bored with visuals from under water then it means you're unable to process the beauty of it in artistic way, otherwise Cameron, a great artist himself wouldn't have done it the way he did. I loved every second under water and was never bored. How simple was Jaws? How simple was 2001 Space Odyssey? What about Top Gun? I never heard anyone complaining about their simplicity of story or dialogue. In the end it's between the taste and talent of Cameron and a youtuber.
They also didn’t have “bro” at the end of every sentence and had interesting dialogue
Very well said.
Good point LX! Was an incredible movie to watch !
@@thresher_9324 Chill out dick wad. Hasta la vista, baby.
Spot on review. I wasn't disappointed, but like you, I had zero expectations.
Sounds like Cameron has gone full Lucas, and no longer has people to challenge him. I'm guessing these are his prequels.
@oliverharper, couldn't agree with you more, 13 years of waiting for a midi ocre movie. The visuals were amazing and I loved the water sequences and the message about protecting sea life. But the overall movie was a lazy excuse for a sequel. The dialogue was the worst part for me, they used so many of the same lines from the first one. Like I get one or two call backs to the first movie, but they used a couple paragraphs of the same dialogue. Also bringing back the colonel was a bad move I think, and he all of the sudden has a son? Like what? This movie was an exact remake of the first one but less interesting. There was no mystery or excitement. There was some pretty emotional scenes and cool sequences. But other than that I left the theatre feeling underwhelmed. Not to mention it had the same intro and the same ending, shot for shot. That is just lazy, and now they're gonna make 3 more films? The same thing is gonna happen over and over, and this movie made me realize there isn't much to look forward to in the next 3 movies. Unless by some miracle they blow it out of the park and change it up. But that's high unluckily
,,his name is Jaaames James Cameroon, the bravest Pioneer! No budget too steep, no sea too deep, whose that? Its him! James Cameron!" :D
Not a perfect movie, buuuuut I really enjoyed it.
Very good movie. Got better each time I've watched it. When you watch it, uncross your arms and relax your face and just enjoy the ride.
Excellent reveiw dude, it forever pisses me off how this channel has so few subscribers. Ive been watching and subscribed to you for as long as I can remember every video is spot on
I would actually propose that Avatar 2 takes place 14 years after the first film. The first film it’s mentioned that the journey to Pandora takes six years. So after the humans leave Pandora it would take them six years to get to Earth, and then six years to get back. Let’s add a year because maybe there’s some preparation and perhaps there is a debate on how to move forward with Pandora. Then once the humans return the screen fades to black and says one year later.
Not trying to have a serious fight, but just throwing this out there.
I loved the first one, and i love this movie also. Don't agree with the similarities. It is far less similar to A1 then T2 to T1, in my opinion.
There are some similar beats, I'll admit, but I think they're better executed here though.
Like, if I werw to rate how similar this is to the first, on a scale of 1 to The Force Awakens, I'd give it maybe a 5 or 6. Noticeable if you look for it, but not to the point it feels like a reboot instead of a continuation.
I actually equate this movie's relationship with A1 to the relationship between T1 and T2. Its just how Cameron does sequels and I think he perfectly balanced familiar elements with new elements in Avatar 2.
Just saw this today and I do agree with what you said. What surprised me that no-one else seems to have noticed re the script was that there are chunks of dialogue that are ripped from Cameron's earlier films. I recall hearing lines from the Terminator and Aliens in this film which sort of put me out of the experience, the writing of this film is the real weak point.
I really want to see it it looks amazing but with the first film there was a lot of anticipation and it’s been 13 years since Avatar 1.
Well, thank god I still have a 3DTV. This is going to look amazing on home viewing.
8/10 imo. Love the world building, specially with how they showed the influence of geography with culture, and how they thrive depending on physiology. And honestly a pretty good father's day movie.
Didn't like some of the unanswered questions and sequel baiting though.
My nearest good theater round trip is 3 hours. Then add 4 hours for the previews+movie. I would have to plan 7 hours to see it in theaters. Is it worth it?
Yes! I really do think it's worth it. It's spectacular!
Yes it's worth it! On your bike mate!
this was the perfect summary of what i think of Avatar 2.
Unfortunately JC does not seem interested in going back to making live, on location action films anymore.
I always love the street of rage ending. Don't change that.
avatar was one of those movies I didn't think much of to begin with because the story was so similar to dances with wolves / last samurai .... but it grew on me over time.
Oliver Harper thanks for the review and awesome complete work as usual and also help me a lot to decide to see it on 3d or not maybe the story is not great many the visual effects . cheers
I'll have to disagree with this video. I found the movie incredible with the story, the world building, the deep connection of Son and Father and family, something which we don't see a lot of lately in movies. The values of family. The complexities of the Colonel and his "son" and all of that too was so interesting! Which will be a sneaky set up in the next one. The fact that it is beautiful and we can just sit there and transported to another world of awe and wonder is a truly cinematic experience.
I was SO GRATEFUL that the sequel was so good by hitting all of the original tropes and beats of the first one that made it so good. He didn't change too much and kept the music the same, the jungle training montage, along with water montage, the "feel" of exploration too, and the stakes at the end versing the humans. It was awesome to see that the battle was over water now and not air. I think they've done incredible on this movie and the story is so engaging and well set up that the next few movies will be insane, especially when the humans come and fully "takeover". I suspect a MASSIVE war in 3rd or 4th one.
Loved every second of this flick, what a delight of cinema, how often can we be so effortlessly transported to a world of wonder like this? It was 3hrs long but at no point was I feeling like "when's this over". Just wanted to enjoy every second.
Incredible movie! 10/10 and an epic sequel ✨
I agree with all of that!
I’ve seen it twice so far and the second time was just as good. Will return for round 3.
If you’ve ever played CHRONO trigger, final fantasy, panzer dragoon, or all three, then it wouldn’t surprise me if you ever thought the Avatar franchise was overrated.
That movie is made to be seen in 3D HFR. Its a amazing experience. It does feel like a amusment park ride but hey what other movie can pretend that ?
I had no problem with the script, incredibly well structured on a technical level, lot of set ups and pay offs and solid characterization. It's a Disney distributed family friendly fare, it's not gonna be a palm dor winning complex international film in its nuance and complexity. The film, to me, is certainly complex enough emotionally. This is not some Michael Bay esque/poorly written shit show like some critics are trying to portray the writing to be.
Exactly! Just saw it with a negative take from all these reviews thinking it was going to be bad in several specific ways including bad dialogue. I don't know what the hell most of them about at all
It was totally awesome. Can't people just ENJOY a movie for once.. he literally didn't cram any Woke BS into the movie, it had stakes, a beginning, middle and end. It felt real and visceral and was emotionally hard hitting at the end. Loved every second !
@Benjamyn Hazelton hell yeah man, could not agree more. It's like, sheeeeesh, you paid money to see a movie that is supremely made with the best artists in the world working on it and you want to complain???? I think some people fundamentally miss filmmakers points and should quite frankly take up other hobbies like knitting instead of watching a movie lmao
Really hope they’ll release an extended cut to add to the story and dialogue, and make it a true Cameron sequel. Heard there’s a 6 hour cut.
While visually impressive, I thought this one was a big stinker. The screenplay/script felt like a poorly written children's book with the depth of a kiddie pool. The "unobtanium" of this movie was so eye-rollingly dumb I couldn't believe it got past a first draft.
I loved it.
I was happy to just hang out with the characters exploring their new surroundings.
My feelings of the original were that same as yours - blandly-written eye candy! What amuses me is just how fanatical the fans are on social media.
Am I missing something? Why is everyone saying the story is crap and the same as the first one. It did way more than the force awakens or maverick did in turns of story development. Nobody is saying those stories suck.
Not when it came out. A majority of the fans started turning in the last Jedi.
The story is fine, just because some Humans didnt like it doesnt mean is not good
I think the reason the plot is similar is because this is a bit of a soft reboot.
I feel the same as Oliver about the first Avatar, which is why I'm surprised to hear him say he thinks that's better. I feel Way of Water improves on the original in several areas, including a Jake Sully that's less lame, and a villain given more complexity. And this is all story stuff. Even the environmental message is less abstract, with a more tangible connection to what they are trying to protect. My only main criticism is Zoe Saldana felt more sidelined, and that's a shame. And it is way too long.
I personally love the film was stunning to look at cgi is fantastic and you feel weight of the water and the action senses (unlike the mcu films you don’t feel the weight) James Cameron did not disappoint with this film I hope this film does well but knowing people are lazy to get out of their home (as Quentin Tarantino put out) overall the film is fantastic piece of cinema
I'm happy this film now the top 4 highest grossing film at $2.1B
@@randomly_random_0 same
I was surprised that I kinda enjoyed it considering I didn’t like the first one at all. But you’re totally right about this being a slog if you tried to watch it at home in 2d. Also I hate to say it but I kinda hope it doesn’t make money so they’ll only make one more if not just ended it now. Cameron isn’t a spring chicken and I’m worried he isn’t going to have enough time for a new project if he ends up making 3 more of these.
This movie was great!!! They need to make more like these. Everything else has been done and boring. The story may be simple but to me it was not about that. It's about everything else and the creativity.
AVATAR haters don't understand the franchise is about environment and how imperialism is wrong.
I saw it in 2D. It was pretty but rather LONG. I really liked Quaritch, and the baddies were sympathetic until they go full evil... and the Na'avi Reef People were less so. I liked the bloke from Flight of the Conchords.
Was I the only one able to notice with all the flashiness the final battle was the 4x too long fight between baddies who even with avatar Navi skills that couldn’t hit anyone with machine guns versus Navi who did three cartwheels then two backflips and then one-shot’ed everybody in the heart with bow/arrow?
And then they added another good character with super powers to aid the side that already cuts through team baddie like a hot knife through butter ?
3:39 how did you make these effects wow
If you find the "Contemplating Beauty Scenes" under water, with little dialog BORING I guess you'll never be able to see any of Tarkovsky's films ... I mean.. Those scenes in The Way Of Water were breath taking and beautiful... And that's the intention; to immerse the audience inside this world.. It's a sensorial experience
I honestly never seen the first avatar since 2009 and I only recently watched it back in 2019 10 years after it became the number one highest grossing movie of all time and right on time before Avengers endgame was about to be thrown it
Avengers Endgame and Avatar 2009
were both meh and mediocre.
Infinity War trumps them both
@@chasehedges6775 Infinity War is meh and boring. i stopped it at 5 minute mark
You're right that the story is basic, but you're wrong that the story is the same. This is an entirely different story and in my opion better than the previous film. With that the said, people and critics like yourself need to understand that this movie is trying to capture everyone in the world, not just North American / Western audiences. These films are loved by cultures that are entirely different than ours, and that's due to the simple story with universal themes.
It's sad to see Cameron doing stories on a Disney level.
Its a good dumb movie in a nutshell. The special effects was good but the story not so much
Hi, I know it’s not 100% your thing, but would you consider talking about ‘Barry Lyndon’?
I basically feel the opposite. I know Avatar has simple writing, but this criticism is SOOO exaggerated. People act like it's got the depth of an episode of Pepper Pig. Yes, nothing in the plot of the sequel reaches it's full potential - but you have to admit there is ambition here. The antagonist being resurrected in the body of the species he was trying to eradicate. A human child being raised by aliens, now meeting his father from beyond the grave. A cross-breed adoption with obvious parallels to a messiah virgin birth. The start of numerous 'star crossed lovers' romance. Sibling rivalry and father-son dynamics. Trauma of losing a child, and survivor guilt. Plus there is commentary on accepting refugees and human impact of the environment. To try and balance all these threads when making a sequel that will build on the first all while entertaining children and adults for 3 hours and introducing a dozen new characters - being released 13 years after the original.. It's basically a miracle the film isn't a complete mess and James Cameron has to be praised for that.
Visually I'm definitely in the minority for this - but I actually PREFER Avatar in 2D. 3D for me just looks too goofy and combined with variable frame-rate in the sequel at times it's just distracting. The final act with the sinking ship looks absolutely amazing, the beginning looked just ok.. but maybe that's just how long it took my eyes to adjust. I thought the score was surprisingly weak, and makes me appreciate Horner's music for the original more. The trailers music is gorgeous, I think they should hire someone new for future films. (EDIT - I watched it again actually and I was too harsh on the score. It's great. AVATAR 2 is top 5 film of the year for me.)
The performances are all great - especially the children. These scenes could have been like a cringe kids-tv show, but it all felt very genuine. I liked the moments that felt deliberately camp and self-aware. You truly forgot these creatures don't actually exist it's quite remarkable. Well, it entertained my whole family - 8 of us from 3 generations. And everyone was excited for the next one - can't ask for more than that.
Long story short Avatar sucks
yep, when you think about all that cool character development, that takes a lot of writing talent to weave all that into one easy to understand movie. communicating all these ideas in an easy way is an achievement but people think that is an easy thing to do so dont acknowledge it.
Well said!
Spot on. This film is a remarkable achievement.
Like with a few other directors, too much success leads to too much creative control by a single person. Then we get the Star Wars prequels and Avatar. Even A.I. by Spielberg has some of that going on, but it is a superior film.
I think people are sleeping on the storytelling at display here. Is the plot simple just like the first film? Of course, but I'll take that over the slew of overly complicated and unnecessarily layered blockbusters that we've been getting beaten over the head by recently. The Way of Water is drastically better than the first movie in that Cameron has injected a heavier focus on family and emotional weight which was pretty much absent from that first film. I honestly equate the improvement and progression of TWOW to the same degree as T1 going into T2. Its a longer and heftier sequel that shares the same structure and beats as the first film, but adds a heavy dose of family and ups the ante on the action and effects. I really don't understand the hate towards this film.
Watched it with my nephew - we loved it. Going to watch it again on Christmas day with other family members. No shade, you seem really snooty/snobby with your review. 3 out 5? Really? Ok. I think it's one of the top block buster movies of the year - on par if not better than Top Gun - assuming you enjoyed Top Gun. Come to think of it, you probably didn't.
I totally agree. I preferred the first one also. I did not think the 3D aspect was that amazing and especially the last battle was very lucklaster compared to the first one...
Can’t say I agree with everything you said, but I respect your opinion. Btw, have you considered making a Letterboxd account?
I agree with all points made yet still liked it a lot... even more than the first. So, whilst it may have failed in the ways described by Oliver it also somehow magically succeeded in me liking it despite that...!
I agree with everything you said.
amazing graphics but way too many plot holes. and so many thing were added just because the director thought "oh it's so cool, let's have this and that"
one can say "come on, this is a child story" but "child story" does not equal "stupid story"
They aren't plot holes. They are beginnings of a larger story arc.
IMHO Avatar is actually ruined by 3D. You really need IMAX to get more of the 3D version. Normal local theater 3D just sucks .. too dark, too small, too green .. but the movie has tons of shots which are designed for 3D. Either it's the pointless gimmick shot, with something moving out of the screen toward the viewer .. or it's multilayered scene, but ruined by everything being in focus.
For me, "3D effort" is 1 point down. Oh, and it's also 48Hz, right ?
absolutely no spoilers, ty!
I love your reviews but hoping Cameron returns to smaller projects after this is like asking Michael Jordan to score fewer baskets at the height of his career
Cameron does not do smaller in scale. He doesn't go back. Every movie he does is far more expensive than his last! Check the stats. I wish he could do a smaller film but that's not the filmmaker he is. I loved Avatar. I don't love Avatar 2, because of the lackluster script. But the film is immersive and dreamlike. The stunning visuals do compensate a great deal for the lousy narrative. I certainly liked it enough to watch it twice.
I think of the Avatar movies as majoritively an 'Animated movie'' akin to what we get from Pixar
I thought it was amazing. I get some of the complaints about the length, but I didn't see much wrong with the story or the dialogue
I find it hilarious that James Cameron called MCU movies a theme park ride and then proceeded to make that exact thing in this film.
He is an amazing filmmaker, but he's also a hypocrite.
People complain about the story and in the same time praise the story of maverick, the batman , that are very basic and boring stories, at least avatar bring us a new planet ,aliens ,plants an robots
B+ film. It slogs in the middle, but you remember the ending. 🤷♀