My friend and I tested the jetboil stash burner against the pocket rocket 2 deluxe and used 6 different pots: Jetboil Stash, Olicamp XTS, Stanley adventure (tall stainless one), GSI 1L kettle, Toaks Ti 900ml, and USGI Canteen Cup. We boiled 2 cups of tap water in each pot with the lid off and measured the time and fuel consumption. It was done outside in 68F weather with very light wind under the back porch. Under ideal conditions the jetboil took significantly longer (3-6 minutes) to boil water but was the most efficient in terms of fuel consumption. The pocket rocket 2 burned the quickest with most taking a little over 1 minute but had a fuel penalty of 1-2g more. I think in the wind the jetboil would rapidly lose it's efficiency. I tested the Olicamp, Jetboil, and GSI pots twice using each burner (to do a low canister fuel test) as they were the most efficient pots. The Olicamp and Jetboil pots used nearly identical amounts of fuel (Olicamp 5/6g PR2, 4/5g JB, Stash 5/5g PR2, 4/4g JB) which was anticipated it's most likely due to the rings and not the pot itself that makes the difference. The Olicamp seemed to use about 1g of fuel more. I did read some interesting reviews that said that these pot styles seem to lose their efficiency with wide burners such as the whisperlite due to the flame not longer going in the center and spreading out into the rings. The GSI kettle actually did really well, likely due to the large surface area on the bottom (7/8g PR2, 5/6g JB). The kettle was more efficient with the jetboil stove than the pocket rocket, but again, I think this would change if you had to deal with wind. My least favorite pot was the Toaks which surprised me. It was the only one where the handles were untouchable after boiling the water. The Toaks pots also have a notorious problem of the lid not being very stable. Overall it came in second for most fuel consumption (10g - PR2, 7g - JB). The canteen cup did surprisingly well and was nice middle of the road in terms of fuel consumption (8g - PR2, 7g - PR2). The Stanley pot did the worst (10g - PR2, 9g - JB) but it seems to be better suited to open fire cooking given it's narrow profile. Overall I liked the design and use of the pocket rocket 2 better than the jetboil (handle is easier to turn, wind ring, build in igniter) and it definitely boils water significantly quicker with only a slight fuel consumption penalty of 1-2g. The other problem with the jetboil is that if you aren't using their associated pot the notches cut out make certain pots unstable because they don't line up correctly on the pot stand. Right now my setup is the Jetboil pot (which I wish you could buy alone) with the pocket rocket 2 and a loaner setup with the Olicamp XTS and the jetboil burner. I was a big fan of the GSI kettle as it weighs the same as the Olicamp and had a nice handle.
Esbit makes a sturmkocher that has a 2L pan, and a 1.5L pan that both have heat exchangers... I bought one a few yrs ago, but I gave it away... it uses one of those pot support ring for pans that are non Esbit... it looked a bit flimsy, but it worked well enough for a tea kettle...
I have the MSR Windboiler, had it since it first came out. Yes, it is a teeny bit heavier than the jetboil but it is quicker to the boil and works fantastic in very windy conditions in Scotland and Wales.
Paul, you've transformed my life! Or should I say, my cooking outside life. I have been looking to change my kit for an up and coming Coast to Coast walk. Going from my Trangia Spirit Burner to a gas powered set. I've looked at A Jetboil or Windburner. But the expense was one factor, but this video comparison got my looking at alternatives. I've teamed up a Fire Maple FMC 217 Cooking pot, with the "Flux Ring", with a SOTO Windmaster stove. What a brilliant system! It boils 500ML of water in 1 minute 45 seconds, outside on a sheltered, but blustery spot. With the gas NOT fully turned up. I've swapped the pot lid/cup for the lid off my Zebra 12cm billy can, because it blew off in a gust of wind, and I use my Silicon foldable cup instead. The whole thing packs way nicely and with a large 240 Coleman gas canister the whole thing, including my Titanium Spork weighs in at 814 Grams. The lid change hasn't altered the weight at all, but I might even ditch that as boiling without it is just 5 seconds longer! Total spend £75.00, not including the spork!
A great video Paul. I use only spirit burners as I’m rarely in a rush for a cuppa, but knowing getting that type of pot could speed things up is always useful to know!👍🏻
I did this test a week ago with my MSR pocket rocket deluxe, same result just over a minute and a half. The MSR uses the same amount of fuel per minute as it always does, still at just over a minute and a half it uses less fuel than the Jetboil stove does in 2 and a half minutes.
Unless fresh water was used for each test, the water would've been a higher starting temperature as well, which could also dramatically shorten the time taken to reach boiling point.
Not really. Titanium has poor heat conductivity, only 22 W/mK whereas aluminium is 235 W/mK. You don't really need to worry about what the units mean... it should be clear enough that aluminium is more than 10 times better at conducting heat than titanium. By far the best heat conductor is silver at 430! Some fairly obvious reasons why we don't want that though. The second best seems to be copper at 400 W/mK.
Wow the difference it made on the trangia is incredible! Makes me really want to invest in one of those pots for my wood gasifier stove. Afraid of clogging up the heat sink with soot but still might be worth it - accepting that I’ll have to clean it occasionally
While this .8L pot isnt a standalone accessory (yet) Jetboil did also just release a 1.5L pot that is essentially identical. Its a little heavy but if someone is counting grams they probably wont consider flux ring pots since they add weight and unless you're gone a long time the savings in fuel wont offset the pot weight. Just thought I'd mention it since a lot of commenters seem to want a pot like this. Just search for Jetboil 1.5L Ceramic FluxRing Cooking Pot.
I bought a 1L FireMaple aluminium pot on amazon with a flux ring and it drastically reduced boil times with my BRS 3000 stove. (They claim 30% improved times in their blurb which i'd say was about right.) The BRS pot stand fits neatly inside the ring too which makes it pretty stable even in wind. And I can fit my 250g canister + stand + stove + sparking steel, all inside the pot. For less than £30 its one of the best buys I've made. PS. I was really interested in the Trangia result though, I have one of those and never use it because it's so slow. I might dig it out and try it with my pot.
I rec'd my Fire-Maple 1L Aluminum heat exchanger pot this afternoon. I ran 3 complete comparison tests between the new heat exchanger pot & the one I've been using which is a 750ml Titanium Toaks. I have & used my Soto Windmaster stove. For all tests, I turned the stove's heat output control wide open. Yes, I added the same volume of water (24oz) that was the same temperature to both pots in all 3 comparison tests. Boil times & fuel consumption between the 2 pots were infinitesimally inconsequential. I'm planning to return the new heat exchanger pot to amazon tomorrow that I paid $32.75 for. Not what I was expecting. Adverting/Promotion claims of 25%-30% lower boil times & fuel savings have no more substance to them than the tooth fairy. Definitely not worth the added cost or weight. Curiously, Soto hasn't marketed any Heat Exchanger type of pots to compete against the Jetboil Stash system which is specifically designed for solo hikers/backpackers/thru-hikers. Considering that Soto is THE company that first introduced fuel-efficient stoves with "Regulators" you'd think if heat exchanger pots actually resulted in lower boil times & significant fuel savings they would have been one of the first companies to introduce heat exchangers on their pots. That SHOULD tell you something. Just a thought/observation. I'm hoping others will compare the pot they've been using with an aftermarket Heat Exchanger type of pot. I eagerly look forward to their test results.
@@SpaceExplorer31 I emailed Soto shortly AFTER I'd bought their 4Plex Windmaster stove & told them I'd like to buy a set of rubber gaskets for my stove. They sent me a complete set, no charge. I've not had to replace any rubber gaskets, however, I now have 'em as spares if or when needed.
Good test. I had tested my pocket rocket against my Jetboil with a regular pot using the adapter, but I never tested the pot on other stoves. I have a gen 1 Jetboil, so it is a small diameter pot was wobley. I never thought of trying it with the wider Jetboil pots.
Brilliant video, Paul. These sorts of "in the camping lab" videos are an interesting shift, just for something different. I'll always love your trip videos best, but these are great, too. 🙂
Iv been using a vango ground level folding stove with braided lead to gad cylinder for over 13 years , and heat exchanger 1L titanium pot , if the heat exchanger does anythong its saving gas , iv had the tall ones topple in high winds , the higher flame catches the breeze you need bigger wind breaks
Impressive. It's all in the pot design & not so much the burner. I'm surprised Jetboil don't provide a better burner for the money. All things considered; I've bought a heat exchanger pot. The Vango Ultralight Heat Exchanger. I have a cheap stick stove for forests & a very old Gaz gas stove for the hills. Here we go. Thanks Paul.
Hi - how much does just the Vango pot and lid weigh please? Thinking of replacing my existing pot/lid combo but it only weighs 110g together so I'm worried the Vango will be much heavier. Can only see the weight of the whole Vango package (incl cutlery, bowls etc) of 387g. Many hanks in advance. Mark
Been using a windmaster with an alocs heat exchanger pot for years now. Much better than a jetboil. Last jetboil I had was the sol ti. The windmaster is and new soto stoves are just the best stoves available. Remember the windmaster will perform outdoors in the wind where the pocket rocket 2 and jetboil won't. I've tried and own much of the competition as well. Soto stormbreaker is equally impressive and I use the bigger alocs pot on it.
After watching your video I bought the Bulin tea kettle with the flux ring. Using the Solo Windmaster I got very short boil times also. Thanks for the video - it helped!!!
Wow! A minute and 37 seconds! That’s incredible. That pot is a great improvement. Sounds like a good investment. Thank you for your videos. You keep me involved and motivated.
Love my Jetboil Flash. Used it half a dozen times in the past fortnight to make coffee and cook sausages and bacon whilst hiking and biking. Thanks for the recommendation.
I just got the Jetboil 1,5L Ceramic Cook Pot (with fluxring) to be used with my PocketRocket Deluxe & 2. The recession in bottom of the pot fits great on the PocketRocket. I think I have to do some boiling this weekend.
Brilliant Paul. That heat exchanger made a huge difference. Would be curious to see how the Trangia with heat exchanger compares to, say Trangia with flat bottom pot with Caldera Cone, which is a different way to try to capture all the heat.
Grizzle gear was doing an A.T. through hike . He had a homemade caldera cone in the winter and gave up on it. I tried making one but it boiled the alcohol out of the Fancee Feast burner.
They would all perform better with the lid on, thats why I tend to use a kettle over a pot. Again in external conditions at the end of the day the best thing in your rucksack will be a decent windshield, all these timings go out the window outside and in cold conditions.
Great these comparison video's always reminds me of the Hiram Cook series of videos I'm an alcohol stove/burner fan as i'm never in a rush when i'm out and enjoy the silence of them , saying that i do sometimes use a Primus No96 paraffin stove that has been passed down in my family generations ,it's a roarer ! heavy smelly but great fun old school ! Great video Edited bit , i nearly forgot great to see the pots improve the boil time with the Trangia ! Best regards Shaun
Just ordered a stash. It would be interesting to know which set up used the most gas. Give me something to do with my other stove this weekend. Bought the stash for the weight and the fact it is a complete system. Thanks for this video. We'll be back in the Lake district soon before the masses descend. Hope they behave better than last year. Leave no trace.
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Well it's exactly what I expected at the video before with just the titanium pot. Enjoyed the video. Greetings from Taiwan
Flux rings have increased the efficiency of my alcohol burners by approximately 30%. Yeah, they ain't no "flash or stash" but I don't like the sound o the propane stoves. Thanks for the video.
As you mentioned being a ‘fan boy’ of Jetboil, but I’m glad you did this test again. There is no right or wrong and it is down to personal preference, but it was nice to see the results and for people like me who now prefer value for money over brand inflated pricing. Hope the van build is going well
Paul this feels an actually important video! The improvement on boil time on a trangia is mind blowing! It makes it hard to not take it on the hills again.
Wow. The most surprising bit for me is the Trangia with the pot and the heat exchanger. I'm not normally in a rush so I tend to carry a Trangia, always cary it as a backup anyway. Thanks very much Paul. Paul
I was really shocked by the trangia with the flux ring. That’s amazing. I think I would prefer to wait the 5 minutes with the peace and quiet rather than blast the gas for 1 minute 30.
HI Nick ,after 30 years of been a gas snob I have gone back to using a Trangia yes slower but i really enjoy the silence more maybe its an age thing ...!
i love the jetboil pot, hate the stove. i have found the pot works great with my alcohol stove (cuts cook time by a few min) and the BRS stove fits perfectly underneath.
I just purchased an Optimus terra HE pot and tested it with the SOTO Windmaster (2 cups/473ml) of water and got a boil time of 1:40 I also used a SOTO fusion trek remote stove and that gave the best time I have ever achieved of 1:22 seconds. I had been sceptical of HE/flux ring technology but the gains are real and substantial.
HI mate good comparison, it was the only thing missing when you did the last test of that bling Jetboil Stove, next time wear a white lab coat and weigh the gas after each burn. Not long till we can go out camping again!!
No company makes a solo sized heat exchange pot. They are all too damn large. Would be nice to see maybe a 650-700ml sized pot rather than 1-1.5 liters.
Depends what you're doing with it but I dont consider 1-1.5L too large. I actually think 750ml and below are comically small. Dont forget that capacities are with water literally filled to the brim which isnt realistic. Most people force a small cup on themselves for the weight savings rather than functional reasons. In reality a freeze dried meal takes anywhere from 400-600ml on its own so you have to double boil in those cups for the meal and coffee or tea. You can forget about cooking a decent portion of pasta, or really any reasonable meal, in 700ml too.
That's a brilliant follow up Video Paul. Great to see it. Also, a real eye opener on pots with flux rings, especially if you want to use an alcohol stove. Thanks Paul.
I am glad I bought the oex cook kit pot, it has the heat exchanger system on it and I've been impressed by the boil times with the oex etna stove.... took it out last weekend for a bike ride and had a nice coffee when I stopped off for a picnic.
I don't particularly care about the speed, but I do about efficiency - the jetboil style pot uses less gas in the end so I can carry a smaller gas canister for a given trip. Frankly for my overnighters where I usually only cook 1 upper and 1 breakfast even 1 100g cartridge is ok and with jetboil style pots, that could last me the whole weekend...
Trangia with bioethanol has to be the way forward for carbon footprint and pairing with a flux ring pot not only brings the boil time down indoors but actually allows a pot to boil at all outdoors in the wind.
I have an Optimus Terra Weekend heatsink pot & lid pan set for stashing my Svea stove into. The heatsink flux ring makes a difference but like others said, a removable one would be handy for campfires. Thanks for doing the dirty work of comparing stoves & pots.
this is great intel buddy! thanks for the work you put in. I cranked up my 40+ year old optimus paraffin pressure stove (bought for the Coast to coast with four of us to cook for) just to see if it still works, after many years, it works perfect, very heavy but you could weld with it is so hot
This video sure takes the wind out of Jetboil's sails. One of your subscribers on the other Jetboil Stash video comparison vs other stoves referred me to this video. Just as I suspected, the lower boil times are due to the heat exchanger type of pot, not the stove. I've just ordered the less expensive Fire-Maple 1L Hard Anodized Aluminum Pot for $30.00 on amazon that I will be using with my Soto Windmaster. I'm willing to bet the farm & EXPECT Soto to come out with their version of a Pot with its built in Heat Exchanger shortly. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
Glad you did that test Paul... I knew that would be the case as I've been using heat exchanger pots with great results.... Even with a Trangia rip off.... MUCH cheaper
I may have to ditch the Jetboil burner for an MSR, I already have the Minimo set up and the burner is huge. Glad I went with the Minimo now, the pot is even better than I thought, it will likely replace my standard Ti pots.
I love how informative and fun your videos are. I never was a big fan of jetboil rigs since the cost was pretty high and I couldn't see carrying the extra weight. Now the wife has agreed to some day hikes (miracles do happen). Since we will be re-hydrating dry meals, this is starting to make sense. I just picked up the Bulin 1.5L pot and the matching windproof infrared stove on Amazon for around $65 USD. Can't go wrong for that price. Oh well, buying more gear is fun anyway. :-)
Real shame you didn't do this with your scales as you did last time. Adding fuel efficiency to this information would give users everything they need. 👍
I prefer titanium to aluminum. I have the budget friendly Bulin stove& pot with heat exchanger which rivals quick boil times. Looking for a titanium heat exchanger.
Thanks for demonstrating this as I’ve been very curious how the JB Stash pot would do with other stoves and heat exchange type pots. I suspect the JB Stash fuel efficiency smashes that of the other stoves and pots. Great show!!
Great stuff Paul. So next time I go out I’m going to take the pot from my old Alpkit Brukit with my Windmaster. If your experiment is right I’ll maximise boil times and save some weight too - win win! Plus the Windmaster is much better at simmering that the burner that comes with the Brukit. Could be good hack - thanks!
That’s a great review on those pots, Paul. I’ve done the same tests myself and found mixing different units can be beneficial for sure, mate. Cheers from Down Under 🍻
The only problem with the trangia test is that we really need to see how much fuel was consumed. It is quite common when trying to make alcohol boil water quicker that the alcohol starts to overheat in the burner drastically reducing efficiency at the cost of speed. Not saying that's the case here but it's a pretty important aspect
If I could only have 1 stove...czcams.com/video/ZUPiIU7hnB8/video.html
for me its pr2 mate
Not just a great comparison but practically a public service announcement for campers! I'm blown away by those times. Fuel efficiency next? 👍🔥
Now you've got me thinking I should buy that Jetboil pot to go with my Soto. Another great video, Paul!
Olicamp has a similar pot on Amazon.
@@JasonChiuTO That's the one I went with! Looking forward to pairing it with my Soto Amicus, or Windmaster.
I’m just wondering how stable the Stash pot is with the Soto Windmaster stove?
My friend and I tested the jetboil stash burner against the pocket rocket 2 deluxe and used 6 different pots: Jetboil Stash, Olicamp XTS, Stanley adventure (tall stainless one), GSI 1L kettle, Toaks Ti 900ml, and USGI Canteen Cup. We boiled 2 cups of tap water in each pot with the lid off and measured the time and fuel consumption. It was done outside in 68F weather with very light wind under the back porch. Under ideal conditions the jetboil took significantly longer (3-6 minutes) to boil water but was the most efficient in terms of fuel consumption. The pocket rocket 2 burned the quickest with most taking a little over 1 minute but had a fuel penalty of 1-2g more. I think in the wind the jetboil would rapidly lose it's efficiency. I tested the Olicamp, Jetboil, and GSI pots twice using each burner (to do a low canister fuel test) as they were the most efficient pots.
The Olicamp and Jetboil pots used nearly identical amounts of fuel (Olicamp 5/6g PR2, 4/5g JB, Stash 5/5g PR2, 4/4g JB) which was anticipated it's most likely due to the rings and not the pot itself that makes the difference. The Olicamp seemed to use about 1g of fuel more. I did read some interesting reviews that said that these pot styles seem to lose their efficiency with wide burners such as the whisperlite due to the flame not longer going in the center and spreading out into the rings. The GSI kettle actually did really well, likely due to the large surface area on the bottom (7/8g PR2, 5/6g JB). The kettle was more efficient with the jetboil stove than the pocket rocket, but again, I think this would change if you had to deal with wind.
My least favorite pot was the Toaks which surprised me. It was the only one where the handles were untouchable after boiling the water. The Toaks pots also have a notorious problem of the lid not being very stable. Overall it came in second for most fuel consumption (10g - PR2, 7g - JB). The canteen cup did surprisingly well and was nice middle of the road in terms of fuel consumption (8g - PR2, 7g - PR2). The Stanley pot did the worst (10g - PR2, 9g - JB) but it seems to be better suited to open fire cooking given it's narrow profile.
Overall I liked the design and use of the pocket rocket 2 better than the jetboil (handle is easier to turn, wind ring, build in igniter) and it definitely boils water significantly quicker with only a slight fuel consumption penalty of 1-2g. The other problem with the jetboil is that if you aren't using their associated pot the notches cut out make certain pots unstable because they don't line up correctly on the pot stand. Right now my setup is the Jetboil pot (which I wish you could buy alone) with the pocket rocket 2 and a loaner setup with the Olicamp XTS and the jetboil burner. I was a big fan of the GSI kettle as it weighs the same as the Olicamp and had a nice handle.
Trangia & heat exchanger pot is a genius combination - I might never carry a gas canister again!
Esbit makes a sturmkocher that has a 2L pan, and a 1.5L pan that both have heat exchangers... I bought one a few yrs ago, but I gave it away... it uses one of those pot support ring for pans that are non Esbit... it looked a bit flimsy, but it worked well enough for a tea kettle...
The sterno inferno kit is made specifically for this setup.
Exactly! This was something I had in my mind to test. Now I don´t have to, it works brilliantly.
The five people that disliked this video were disappointed you didn't make a coffee with all that hot water!
Maybe he was running a bath for Jo.
I like the fact that even though you’re a fan of certain types of gear you always give everything a fair go. Great review
Never worried too much about boil times, but fuel efficiency adds up on a long trip.
I have the MSR Windboiler, had it since it first came out. Yes, it is a teeny bit heavier than the jetboil but it is quicker to the boil and works fantastic in very windy conditions in Scotland and Wales.
Awesome vid Paul can’t believe how fast the pocket rocket did bloody hell 👍
I was really impressed by how quick all the stoves were.
Paul, you've transformed my life! Or should I say, my cooking outside life. I have been looking to change my kit for an up and coming Coast to Coast walk. Going from my Trangia Spirit Burner to a gas powered set. I've looked at A Jetboil or Windburner. But the expense was one factor, but this video comparison got my looking at alternatives. I've teamed up a Fire Maple FMC 217 Cooking pot, with the "Flux Ring", with a SOTO Windmaster stove. What a brilliant system! It boils 500ML of water in 1 minute 45 seconds, outside on a sheltered, but blustery spot. With the gas NOT fully turned up. I've swapped the pot lid/cup for the lid off my Zebra 12cm billy can, because it blew off in a gust of wind, and I use my Silicon foldable cup instead. The whole thing packs way nicely and with a large 240 Coleman gas canister the whole thing, including my Titanium Spork weighs in at 814 Grams. The lid change hasn't altered the weight at all, but I might even ditch that as boiling without it is just 5 seconds longer! Total spend £75.00, not including the spork!
A great video Paul. I use only spirit burners as I’m rarely in a rush for a cuppa, but knowing getting that type of pot could speed things up is always useful to know!👍🏻
I did this test a week ago with my MSR pocket rocket deluxe, same result just over a minute and a half. The MSR uses the same amount of fuel per minute as it always does, still at just over a minute and a half it uses less fuel than the Jetboil stove does in 2 and a half minutes.
The first boil was a cold pot. The second and third boil the pot was hot ? Did that make it quicker ?
Unless fresh water was used for each test, the water would've been a higher starting temperature as well, which could also dramatically shorten the time taken to reach boiling point.
I was going to ask the same question. Maybe the pot was left to cool down but not mentioned in the clip?
Even if there its heat leftover in pot the difference its miniscule and arround 3-7sec on 800ml of water. Tested with my own set up.
I love the trangia for its total silence. Like you I don't expect fast boil times. Top test Paul :)
I love the pocket rocket, it's been my go to gas stove for ages now.
Now alpkit need to start making some titanium pots with heat exchanger on they are missing a trick here
Not really. Titanium has poor heat conductivity, only 22 W/mK whereas aluminium is 235 W/mK. You don't really need to worry about what the units mean... it should be clear enough that aluminium is more than 10 times better at conducting heat than titanium. By far the best heat conductor is silver at 430! Some fairly obvious reasons why we don't want that though. The second best seems to be copper at 400 W/mK.
Titanium with aluminium fins and shroud?
@@tomaskonkol8894 Then the problem is that titanium and aluminium have very different melting points, so they are hard (i.e. expensive) to join.
Almost 100k paul! Looking forward to the next van episode!
Thanks mate. Windows are getting fitted tomorrow so more work after that.
Great combo with the trangia! Who’d have thought it eh 👍
Wow the difference it made on the trangia is incredible! Makes me really want to invest in one of those pots for my wood gasifier stove. Afraid of clogging up the heat sink with soot but still might be worth it - accepting that I’ll have to clean it occasionally
Paul
Excellent video
Great set of comparisons
I have a Fire Maple 0.9 liter heat exchanger pot
$20 at 200g
Excellent pot
excellent price
You perfectly answered my question with alcohol stoves as well, great vid!
Enjoyed this, reminded me of Hiram Cooks boil tests 😀
While this .8L pot isnt a standalone accessory (yet) Jetboil did also just release a 1.5L pot that is essentially identical. Its a little heavy but if someone is counting grams they probably wont consider flux ring pots since they add weight and unless you're gone a long time the savings in fuel wont offset the pot weight. Just thought I'd mention it since a lot of commenters seem to want a pot like this. Just search for Jetboil 1.5L Ceramic FluxRing Cooking Pot.
I bought a 1L FireMaple aluminium pot on amazon with a flux ring and it drastically reduced boil times with my BRS 3000 stove. (They claim 30% improved times in their blurb which i'd say was about right.) The BRS pot stand fits neatly inside the ring too which makes it pretty stable even in wind. And I can fit my 250g canister + stand + stove + sparking steel, all inside the pot. For less than £30 its one of the best buys I've made.
PS. I was really interested in the Trangia result though, I have one of those and never use it because it's so slow. I might dig it out and try it with my pot.
Take a look at the Olicamp XTS pot. The heat exchanger really brings down the boil time.
The same pot is also sold under the Fire Maple brand on Amazon for even cheaper and with metric markings.
I rec'd my Fire-Maple 1L Aluminum heat exchanger pot this afternoon.
I ran 3 complete comparison tests between the new heat exchanger pot & the one I've been using which is a 750ml Titanium Toaks.
I have & used my Soto Windmaster stove. For all tests, I turned the stove's heat output control wide open. Yes, I added the same volume of water (24oz) that was the same temperature to both pots in all 3 comparison tests.
Boil times & fuel consumption between the 2 pots were infinitesimally inconsequential.
I'm planning to return the new heat exchanger pot to amazon tomorrow that I paid $32.75 for.
Not what I was expecting. Adverting/Promotion claims of 25%-30% lower boil times & fuel savings have no more substance to them than the tooth fairy. Definitely not worth the added cost or weight.
Curiously, Soto hasn't marketed any Heat Exchanger type of pots to compete against the Jetboil Stash system which is specifically designed for solo hikers/backpackers/thru-hikers. Considering that Soto is THE company that first introduced fuel-efficient stoves with "Regulators" you'd think if heat exchanger pots actually resulted in lower boil times & significant fuel savings they would have been one of the first companies to introduce heat exchangers on their pots. That SHOULD tell you something. Just a thought/observation.
I'm hoping others will compare the pot they've been using with an aftermarket Heat Exchanger type of pot. I eagerly look forward to their test results.
I’ve experienced firsthand that their is a big difference in HE pots. Optimus, JetBoil pots make the best HE pots hands down.
@@SpaceExplorer31 I try another HE pot when Soto makes one. I have confidence in their products & advertising claims.
@@azclaimjumper good to know. I love Soto products!!
@@SpaceExplorer31 I emailed Soto shortly AFTER I'd bought their 4Plex Windmaster stove & told them I'd like to buy a set of rubber gaskets for my stove. They sent me a complete set, no charge. I've not had to replace any rubber gaskets, however, I now have 'em as spares if or when needed.
Good test. I had tested my pocket rocket against my Jetboil with a regular pot using the adapter, but I never tested the pot on other stoves. I have a gen 1 Jetboil, so it is a small diameter pot was wobley. I never thought of trying it with the wider Jetboil pots.
Yes! The comparison I was waiting for. Thanks!
Brilliant video, Paul. These sorts of "in the camping lab" videos are an interesting shift, just for something different.
I'll always love your trip videos best, but these are great, too. 🙂
Iv been using a vango ground level folding stove with braided lead to gad cylinder for over 13 years , and heat exchanger 1L titanium pot , if the heat exchanger does anythong its saving gas , iv had the tall ones topple in high winds , the higher flame catches the breeze you need bigger wind breaks
The pocket rocket is wild, such a winner. The pot massively improves it too. Thanks for another top video Paul
Impressive. It's all in the pot design & not so much the burner. I'm surprised Jetboil don't provide a better burner for the money. All things considered; I've bought a heat exchanger pot. The Vango Ultralight Heat Exchanger. I have a cheap stick stove for forests & a very old Gaz gas stove for the hills. Here we go. Thanks Paul.
Hi - how much does just the Vango pot and lid weigh please? Thinking of replacing my existing pot/lid combo but it only weighs 110g together so I'm worried the Vango will be much heavier. Can only see the weight of the whole Vango package (incl cutlery, bowls etc) of 387g.
Many hanks in advance. Mark
Been using a windmaster with an alocs heat exchanger pot for years now. Much better than a jetboil. Last jetboil I had was the sol ti. The windmaster is and new soto stoves are just the best stoves available. Remember the windmaster will perform outdoors in the wind where the pocket rocket 2 and jetboil won't. I've tried and own much of the competition as well. Soto stormbreaker is equally impressive and I use the bigger alocs pot on it.
After watching your video I bought the Bulin tea kettle with the flux ring. Using the Solo Windmaster I got very short boil times also. Thanks for the video - it helped!!!
Wow! A minute and 37 seconds! That’s incredible. That pot is a great improvement. Sounds like a good investment.
Thank you for your videos. You keep me involved and motivated.
An interesting comparison .. very interesting .. thanks.
Now my Trangia (and Gel Fuel Burners) can go 'Turbo' 😊.
I thought I'd seen every possible stove video that can be made. I was wrong. Great video with data to geek out on.
Love my Jetboil Flash. Used it half a dozen times in the past fortnight to make coffee and cook sausages and bacon whilst hiking and biking. Thanks for the recommendation.
I just got the Jetboil 1,5L Ceramic Cook Pot (with fluxring) to be used with my PocketRocket Deluxe & 2. The recession in bottom of the pot fits great on the PocketRocket. I think I have to do some boiling this weekend.
Brilliant Paul. That heat exchanger made a huge difference. Would be curious to see how the Trangia with heat exchanger compares to, say Trangia with flat bottom pot with Caldera Cone, which is a different way to try to capture all the heat.
Grizzle gear was doing an A.T. through hike . He had a homemade caldera cone in the winter and gave up on it. I tried making one but it boiled the alcohol out of the Fancee Feast burner.
They would all perform better with the lid on, thats why I tend to use a kettle over a pot. Again in external conditions at the end of the day the best thing in your rucksack will be a decent windshield, all these timings go out the window outside and in cold conditions.
Great these comparison video's always reminds me of the Hiram Cook series of videos
I'm an alcohol stove/burner fan as i'm never in a rush when i'm out and enjoy the silence of them , saying that i do sometimes use a Primus No96 paraffin stove that has been passed down in my family generations ,it's a roarer ! heavy smelly but great fun old school !
Great video
Edited bit , i nearly forgot great to see the pots improve the boil time with the Trangia !
Best regards Shaun
Just ordered a stash. It would be interesting to know which set up used the most gas. Give me something to do with my other stove this weekend. Bought the stash for the weight and the fact it is a complete system. Thanks for this video. We'll be back in the Lake district soon before the masses descend. Hope they behave better than last year. Leave no trace.
Well it's exactly what I expected at the video before with just the titanium pot. Enjoyed the video. Greetings from Taiwan
Flux rings have increased the efficiency of my alcohol burners by approximately 30%. Yeah, they ain't no "flash or stash" but I don't like the sound o the propane stoves. Thanks for the video.
I have tried it with the solid alcohol fuel disks common in China, and it speeds boil time up for those as well.
As you mentioned being a ‘fan boy’ of Jetboil, but I’m glad you did this test again. There is no right or wrong and it is down to personal preference, but it was nice to see the results and for people like me who now prefer value for money over brand inflated pricing.
Hope the van build is going well
Paul this feels an actually important video! The improvement on boil time on a trangia is mind blowing! It makes it hard to not take it on the hills again.
I've suspected this for a while! Nice work Paul 👍
Wow. The most surprising bit for me is the Trangia with the pot and the heat exchanger. I'm not normally in a rush so I tend to carry a Trangia, always cary it as a backup anyway. Thanks very much Paul. Paul
Jet boil won't be happy with you! 😂
Thanks for a good honest video dude!
Great video Paul. I know myself and many others wanted to see this test. Thanks for taking to time to do it. The results are what I expected.
I was really shocked by the trangia with the flux ring. That’s amazing. I think I would prefer to wait the 5 minutes with the peace and quiet rather than blast the gas for 1 minute 30.
Yep, I'm not into running to catch a train during such times.
HI Nick ,after 30 years of been a gas snob I have gone back to using a Trangia yes slower but i really enjoy the silence more maybe its an age thing ...!
i love the jetboil pot, hate the stove. i have found the pot works great with my alcohol stove (cuts cook time by a few min) and the BRS stove fits perfectly underneath.
A major difference is the flame pattern of the stove head
Both tested have a very focused pattern that stay within the fins of the heat exchanger
Excellent comparisons and advice Paul......cheers.
For some reason, I didn't think that you could use the heat exchanger pots over a open fire. Thank you for the video.
I just purchased an Optimus terra HE pot and tested it with the SOTO Windmaster (2 cups/473ml) of water and got a boil time of 1:40
I also used a SOTO fusion trek remote stove and that gave the best time I have ever achieved of 1:22 seconds.
I had been sceptical of HE/flux ring technology but the gains are real and substantial.
Great experiment Paul, what a difference that heat exchanger makes. Very impressive. Thanks for taking the time in doing this video. Cheers.
HI mate good comparison, it was the only thing missing when you did the last test of that bling Jetboil Stove, next time wear a white lab coat and weigh the gas after each burn. Not long till we can go out camping again!!
Thanks👍 amazing results, surely manufacturers must be aware of this efficiency!
Love the fact the trangia boils much quicker with a flux ring I will try with my oex cook pot that has this technology on it.
No company makes a solo sized heat exchange pot. They are all too damn large. Would be nice to see maybe a 650-700ml sized pot rather than 1-1.5 liters.
Fire Maple have small flux ring pots
On Aliexpress
They are very good quality
Depends what you're doing with it but I dont consider 1-1.5L too large. I actually think 750ml and below are comically small. Dont forget that capacities are with water literally filled to the brim which isnt realistic. Most people force a small cup on themselves for the weight savings rather than functional reasons. In reality a freeze dried meal takes anywhere from 400-600ml on its own so you have to double boil in those cups for the meal and coffee or tea. You can forget about cooking a decent portion of pasta, or really any reasonable meal, in 700ml too.
That's a brilliant follow up Video Paul. Great to see it.
Also, a real eye opener on pots with flux rings, especially if you want to use an alcohol stove. Thanks Paul.
I do like the jet boil but it's too expensive. That pot worked great with the little alcohol stove. Good vid. Thanks and stay safe.
I am glad I bought the oex cook kit pot, it has the heat exchanger system on it and I've been impressed by the boil times with the oex etna stove.... took it out last weekend for a bike ride and had a nice coffee when I stopped off for a picnic.
Happy birthday Paul! Thanks for video btw
Looks like I need a new pot for my pocket rocket and trangias, my missus will be pleased 😁
I don't particularly care about the speed, but I do about efficiency - the jetboil style pot uses less gas in the end so I can carry a smaller gas canister for a given trip. Frankly for my overnighters where I usually only cook 1 upper and 1 breakfast even 1 100g cartridge is ok and with jetboil style pots, that could last me the whole weekend...
I do need that trangia triangle adapter plate. Where do you get one of those?
I'm sure he said in the video that is pinned to the top of these comments his friend made it for him. Maybe we can convince him to make us one too?!
Trangia with bioethanol has to be the way forward for carbon footprint and pairing with a flux ring pot not only brings the boil time down indoors but actually allows a pot to boil at all outdoors in the wind.
Thanks for that. Cheers. Not long before we are back on the hills.
Now that was fast. No excuses now for getting Jo her tea in bed 1st thing of a morning now 😁
I have an Optimus Terra Weekend heatsink pot & lid pan set for stashing my Svea stove into. The heatsink flux ring makes a difference but like others said, a removable one would be handy for campfires.
Thanks for doing the dirty work of comparing stoves & pots.
Great test video
Wonder if any wind would have made a difference to the cheaper pot, but use a wind shield and save some money
Great
this is great intel buddy! thanks for the work you put in. I cranked up my 40+ year old optimus paraffin pressure stove (bought for the Coast to coast with four of us to cook for) just to see if it still works, after many years, it works perfect, very heavy but you could weld with it is so hot
This video sure takes the wind out of Jetboil's sails.
One of your subscribers on the other Jetboil Stash video comparison vs other stoves referred me to this video.
Just as I suspected, the lower boil times are due to the heat exchanger type of pot, not the stove.
I've just ordered the less expensive Fire-Maple 1L Hard Anodized Aluminum Pot for $30.00 on amazon that I will be using with my Soto Windmaster.
I'm willing to bet the farm & EXPECT Soto to come out with their version of a Pot with its built in Heat Exchanger shortly.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.
Glad you did that test Paul... I knew that would be the case as I've been using heat exchanger pots with great results.... Even with a Trangia rip off.... MUCH cheaper
Really useful video, thanks. I echo what someone else said about this being a game changer for alcohol stoves.
Thank you
I may have to ditch the Jetboil burner for an MSR, I already have the Minimo set up and the burner is huge. Glad I went with the Minimo now, the pot is even better than I thought, it will likely replace my standard Ti pots.
When I'm out in the wild, the boil time is not as important as the fuel used. -It would be great if you could weigh the canister before and after.
Great Great demo with the pots, but where the jet boil does exceed is in the amount of fuel that consumes.
I love how informative and fun your videos are. I never was a big fan of jetboil rigs since the cost was pretty high and I couldn't see carrying the extra weight. Now the wife has agreed to some day hikes (miracles do happen). Since we will be re-hydrating dry meals, this is starting to make sense. I just picked up the Bulin 1.5L pot and the matching windproof infrared stove on Amazon for around $65 USD. Can't go wrong for that price. Oh well, buying more gear is fun anyway. :-)
Real shame you didn't do this with your scales as you did last time. Adding fuel efficiency to this information would give users everything they need. 👍
I prefer titanium to aluminum. I have the budget friendly Bulin stove& pot with heat exchanger which rivals quick boil times. Looking for a titanium heat exchanger.
Great video.
Where did you get the adapter ring for the Trangia Triangle stand to enable using smaller pots?
STOP POTTING ABOUT AND GET THE VAN FINISHED😊👍
Thanks for demonstrating this as I’ve been very curious how the JB Stash pot would do with other stoves and heat exchange type pots. I suspect the JB Stash fuel efficiency smashes that of the other stoves and pots.
Great show!!
Very timely thank you!
Another great video Paul. I’m loving your kit comparisons videos. Very useful information for your captive audience and newcomers to your channel.
Great comparison.Very handy to know these stats.Thankyou Paul.ATB
Thank you Paul, this is great info!
Thank you for this details of your experiment. Awesome
Me at 4AM: "Hmmm...interesting!!!"
Great stuff Paul. So next time I go out I’m going to take the pot from my old Alpkit Brukit with my Windmaster. If your experiment is right I’ll maximise boil times and save some weight too - win win! Plus the Windmaster is much better at simmering that the burner that comes with the Brukit. Could be good hack - thanks!
thank you very much for testing my theory!
That’s a great review on those pots, Paul. I’ve done the same tests myself and found mixing different units can be beneficial for sure, mate.
Cheers from Down Under 🍻
The only problem with the trangia test is that we really need to see how much fuel was consumed. It is quite common when trying to make alcohol boil water quicker that the alcohol starts to overheat in the burner drastically reducing efficiency at the cost of speed. Not saying that's the case here but it's a pretty important aspect