Anyone who asks "Where were the parents?? Why didnt they do something?" obviously never had a teenage son. Ever try to get one to talk and tell you their feelings? May as well be talking to a wall. It isnt always easy to see trouble brewing in your sons mind.
Fuck talking. How can you not know your kid is rocking around with semi automatics, sawn off shotguns and making bombs in their spare time. How about go in their room and have a look.
+Dick Chiney It's not stalking, it's your fucking child. You're their guardian until they're old enough to get out from under the roof you put over their head. Being a parent is more than birthing them and giving room, food and utilities like you're some sort of charitable landlord.
Aaron Speary well when you think about an incident in retrospect, you tell yourself "I could have prevented that by doing this" but people have a set of values and respecting someone's personal area is one of those values
Your child wasn't the only victim. Stop being so ignorant Ms Bernell. You have every right to grieve, but so do the Harris's and Klebolds's. Their worlds changed forever that day too.
She seems like your stereotypical helicopter parent who judges other people without knowing the whole story or imagining being in the other person’s shoes.
The parents of Cassy seem really selfish. I understand they have something against Dylan and Eric, but the parents aren't to blame for this. Most teens barely talk about their true feelings with their family and usually a parent shouldn't have to ask their kid if they're thinking of shooting up a school. They said Dylan kept journals hidden away and hid his depression and Eric hid his hatred for people pretty well too. It just seems fucked to me to think of Dylan and Eric and their parents as not being victims. Dylan and Eric weren't born to kill, they became outcasts and therefore took their revenge, They were hurting inside. As Marilyn Manson said '' I wouldn't say a single word to them I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did.''
+Nick Pronyk First: If someone shot your child in the face, at point blank range, with a sawed off shot gun, I reckon you would be a little pissed off too. And like them, you would have the right to feel what you felt about that loss, and the circumstances behind that loss. Second, they can say it because it is what they did for Cassie. It turns out that Cassie had gotten involved with the wrong crowd and was possible headed down the same path as Eric and Dylan. They forbid her to see those friends, got her involved with a church youth group and changed her school; to Columbine. Cassie's life had changed for the better, before she died so they can say what Dylan and Eric's parents should have done because they themselves tried it with their child and it worked for them. Third: These people were there to hear the depositions for the lawsuits that were filed in the wake of the massacre. They heard all of the evidence, and all of the paths that Eric and Dylan took to end up in that library dead, and it's the truth. A lot of the reason why, particularly in Eric's case, that these two boys were able to get this far is because their parents, where not disciplinarians didn't ask, didn't check, defended, denied, excused, and didn't further inquire when warning signs popped up, like their sons getting arrested together for stealing out of a work van, getting suspended for hacking into the school computers and for making death threats against other students, including those in their own circle of friends, and violent essays. Dylan's parents were somewhat oblivious, Eric's parents denied and tried to ignore what Eric was doing until they couldn't anymore; those are the fact. The two people that the majority of the blame belongs to for what happened are Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. But the parents of the two shooters, teacher, counselors, doctors, and police are also culpable. Because for those of us who have looked closely at it the circumstances; we understand that there were so many times where if one of those people or agents would have just paid attention or took them seriously, or investigated, or looked further into, Columbine would probably have never happened, and the parents have to accept some of the responsibility for that, because thirteen people died and the twenty-four others were injured at the hands of their sons. Their sons were building incendiary devices,stock pilling an arsenal of weapons, and spent a whole year under their parents roofs planning to blow up that school, and shoot survivors. I don't feel like people should hate them, I have sympathy for both sets of parents of the shooters, but they have to bare some of the responsibility for what happened to that school, and to the students, faculty, and staff because Eric and Dylan where their children, and this infamous crime was conceived and developed right under their roofs, and under their noses, where they paid the mortgages and made the rules for their houses.
+Ellisha George Again, I have no idea how u think u can dictate to 18 year olds who they see. If u have a good relationship with a well-balanced 18 year old, they might listen to ur advice. But forcibly stopping them is impossible.
Crazy Hai I know it's a foreign concept to you, but it's called being a parent and having authority over what happens in your house and under your roof where you pay the mortgage. especially when those eighteen year olds are still in school and living in your house where you are primarily taking care of them, and you can still be held responsible for what they do. In cases like Eric and Dylan, and how Cassie Bernall was going at one point, you don't want to submit to authority, so you do something that ends you up in jail, where you are going to submit the the authority of the warden, and the prison guards, or the other prisoners weather you like it or not; but you are going to end up submitting to some authority. Only Eric was eighteen, and he had just turned so on April 9th. Dylan was seventeen. When the smoke cleared from Columbine, The Harris' and the Klebold's were sued; sued for the damage to that school, thirteen wrongful deaths, and I don't know how many personal injury cases. So don't tell me as a parent you don't have a right to tell your child what to do, even one who has reached the age of eighteen, but is still living under your roof and you are primarily still providing for their needs. You may be of age, but you are not grown until you are out of your parents house, out of their pockets and able to provide for yourself. and PS Eighteen, is still a few years away from being twenty-one.
I don't like what Misty Bernall said at all. How dare you demoralize a woman's grief for her son's suicide? Her son committed one of the most horrific murders in American history AND killed himself. I don't blame the Klebold's or Harris's. Those were good families, they looked after their boys. They truly did not know! I know the victim's families with forever be grieving and angry at the boys' families, but within their grief they need to be at peace with their parents. Forgive the parents if anything. They honestly did not know. They deserve to mourn the sons they lost that day too.
They didn't "look after their boys", they didn't ground them after getting arrested for theft and sending in homework reeking of violence in school It's not that they didn't know that something was wrong The only truth is that they did nothing about it
@amandataebby so to your mind , not punishing him at all for the legal trouble he got into is looking after him ? All that taught him was that his parents were ok with it and that other people weren't . The signs were there and the legal trouble he got into for robbing the van and the violent homework he passed in and nothing was done about it , that isn't looking after your kids . You may not like hearing this but Dylan could just as easily have killed his brother that day . He was a danger to everybody . Yes he hid his problems very well for a long time but the warning signs were that point where he was getting into trouble and they just dismissed it as a brief issue that would go away . I feel bad for her too , you can see it affects her severely and that it haunts her and tortures her every day . She does care but that essay was her getting her grief out and that is what Cassie's parents didn't want to hear. They don't want to have anything in common with the shooter's parents and I understand that but that is no excuse for them to demoralize and berate her like that on public tv. But those signs were there and she didn't pick up on the fact that they were a sign of something much worse going on . That isn't her fault for not picking up on it but the victim's parents , don't want to hear it , they wanted more acknowledgement for what was done to them and their children and that is also something I understand as well .
I'm not a parent, I don't understand parental love. But I also can't begin to imagine how it would feel to bring a child into the world, raise him, look after him, love him and try to protect him for him to take the lives of 13 innocent people and then put a gun to his head. It must be awful for Cassies parents, I get that, but Susan lost a child too and not only has she lost him but she carries the burden of knowing her son took the lives of those kids, that's something Cassies parents don't have. Blaming her is totally unfair and it seems like they forget Eric and Dylan were their parents babies as well and living with that image must be the most horrendous thing in the world. Give her a break.
I myself am not a father but I can just imagine how painful it would to even exist after your child committed such an unthinkable atrocity upon other people
I'm a father and I sympathize with the complexity of Sues feelings. I bet it's got to be hard knowing your son snuffed out so many lives. I think its appropriate for Cassies parents question if their parents noticed changes. Parents should cognizant daily of how their kids are feeling.
The Bernall parents shouldn't talk. Sue Klebold bravely spoke out about her son and she has nothing to do with it. It did happen under her nose, but she had no idea. Dylan stated himself in his diary that he had a loving family and good grades and some friends - it was her. The Bernalls on the other hand tried to make up this urban legend about their daughter standing up and claiming she believed in God, which is a lie, and they're still making money off of it. THAT is outrageous.
well eric did have the guns and pipe bombs and eric's dad did found the pipe bomb but he let eric detenate it but dylan didnt have the weapons so she wounldn't have known dylan was planning the massure with eric
I love how you're acting as if every single parent of a victim is on a crusade to keep the H&K families from grieving and generalizing them as a group because of some out of line comments from a few of them. Harrises and Klebolds lost children that day too? REALLY! NO SHIT! I'm sure the families of the victims were unaware of that. I mean, it's not like these families have had met and discussed feelings with the H&K families or anything... it's not like they've ever expressed sympathy for them (like Brian in this very clip)... Columbiners are so damn blinded I swear.
***** Brian has no sympathy for the Harris and Klebolds, remember in 1999 he took the crosses off of them. I understand why he took them off but he said that the families of the killers deserve no sympathy for the pain they're going through. The Victims don't care for the shooters parents.... they think it's their fault for them not stopping the shooting and calling them horrible parents, like Lauren's stepfather said.
What do you need? A sorry from a person who never killed? Death do not choose who you are, death makes a victim who is taking the gun and the victim who dies from the bullet. Both of sides were controlled by death. In the end death is the judge to life. And you can't revive it. Death is the strongest weapon against life.
@BlackSoul98 if you read Misty's book she talked about how Cassie had homicidal and suicidal thoughts as well as doing drugs and rebelling before becoming a born again Christian.
@@WilliamsPinchIndeed, those who disbelieve spend their wealth to avert [people] from the way of Allāh. So they will spend it; then it will be for them a [source of] regret; then they will be overcome. And those who have disbelieved - unto Hell they will be gathered. Qur'aan 8:36
Of course she's focusing on her son's death that's her baby!!!! I hate to say this but I feel the worst for the killers parents look at what they have to live with imagine knowing that your son was capable of that..... And it's interesting because Cassie Burrell actually planned a murder on one of her teachers before she got in the Bible group...... However I do think what they did is freaking awful !!!!!!!I'm not condoning whatsoever just trying to put myself in their parents shoes
Cassie's parents are horrible, horrible people, not to mention hypocrites. I love how they failed to mention Cassie's disturbing diary and her desire to murder her family. It easily could have been her committing a shooting. But, like many religious people, they are completely and utterly blind. Huge respect to Mrs Klebold. She has lived through something tragic and hold's herself with dignity. I hope she finds happiness.
If you would actually pick up a book (Cassie's mom's book She Said Yes), and actually read it then you would see that her mom DID mention Cassie's being involved in satanism...BEFORE her conversion to Christianity.
Heather Fraser I refuse to even read it because it's based in complete lies. It's been proven time and time again that they never asked Cassie that question it was someone else, yet they still try and capitalize on not only their religion, but their child's death.
And I'm Christian just to note it, and I'm not a sympathizer but if you're gonna talk down to someone for "not reading a book" I sure as fuck hope you have read Sue Klebolds book.
As a matter of fact, I have read Sue's book, (and I do sympathize with her because I don't think any parent, or person in general, should be held accountable or blamed for someone else's actions, even if it is their own child) in addition to all the books written by survivors and just about anything else related to Columbine. And She Said Yes is NOT a book based on lies, that's why I said it should be read before being judged. The title is basically the only thing the entire book had anything to do with the misunderstanding in the library. The whole book is about Cassie's life before and after her conversion, much like I'm Not Ashamed is a movie based entirely on Rachel Scott's life and faith and not focused on the shooting itself. And by the way, nice language for a "Christian". And as far as "talking down to someone for not reading a book", you're way off base on my comment because it was in reference to the person making assumptions based on simply that, without having done research before making said assumptions.
OysterHunter I agree...I don't know if Cassies parents are horrible people but they are certainly very self righteous. They fail to take into account that it was only through luck that Cassies letters were found. According to the book "She Said Yes", Mrs Bernall was in Cassies drawer looking for a bible she knew Cassie had. It wasn't that the Bernall were such magnificent, vigilant and caring parents. It was luck. As you say, It COULD just as easily have been Cassie and her friends. I can't imagine losing a child in this way. The pain and anger must be immense. But Mrs Klebold lost a child too and I can't even begin to fathom the amount of courage it has taken her to speak out as publicly as she has. A truly brave and honorable lady. .
I feel.all the sorrow in the world for every single one of those 13 killed and 25 wounded, but when Mrs. Bernal talks as if she was some sort of a perfect mother... First they raise Cassie in this uptight Christian household till the point when she wants to kill her parents, and then lock her in an evangelical private school until she's brainwashed back into submission through faith. This isn't that much better of a parenting, lady. And besides, this whole "witchcraft and murder" story which they laid out... it just seems so much like the caricaturized Christian propaganda view of paganism and goths, rather than something that would actually have happened, it just reminds me of those "Chick Tracts" by Jack Chick, it just further ensures me of how crazed in their religion the Bernals actually were.
Regardless of what anyone says I feel much sympathy for Mrs. Klebold. I mean true her son murdered but he. Was. Her. Son. Any mother finding out that their child would commit suicide by itself would be heartbreaking, and then adding the events of Columbine into the mix. And y'know it is sad too with the Bernell family however the way they were saying 'oh they should have taken better care for their children' is easier said than done. I mean even if they somehow knew about Eric and Dylan's behavior, separating them would do nothing-as they went to the same school and even had a class together-and I think would increase their angry behavior. But in the long run, she and her husband-and not forgetting Dylan's older brother-are gonna have to live with this scar, and already have been for the last fifteen years. But hopefully they remember him as their son and not the killer. I least hope that Eric and Dylan finally have peace.
I think Eric's family was oblivious (his father found a pipe bomb in his room and confiscated it). Plus, Eric was a sociopath. Dylan? Well he went to Eric's house to do the planning. It sounds like he was a misguided kid who could have been steered on the right path had it not been for Eric. How could his mother have known when there was no planning done under her roof? Besides, she had another son who didn't commit mass murder and who was shocked as everybody else. You can't always blame the parents. I think you can possibly blame Eric's parents, but most likely not Dylan's.
+OysterHunter Also Misty wrote the Tom and Susan Klebold left them a note apologizing for Dylan's role in the shooting. I've seen her say they hadn't contacted them at all. She's lying, one second they did, then they didn't.
+OysterHunter yes, as I understand it Misty Bernall conceded that the initial reports of her daughter saying yes were not accurate. Even the preface to recent editions of the book concede this.
Wow, Cassie's mom is so pompous & desperate for someone to blame. I can't believe she judged so harshly. I hope she looks back at this interview & is ashamed of herself
I agree, although the irrationality is probably normal given the circumstances. To blame anyone other than the shooters themselves lets them off the hook. Plenty of murderers have normal parents, it doesn't take much research.
Jim Dandy Read Eric Harris's diary. It's filled with existentialism and self-hatred. If you're not willing to dig into the root of this problem, you're only impeding the solution.
I find it sick that the parents are being blamed directly. When tragedy strikes, and there are very scarce answer sources, and no real place to direct our anger towards, we look for scape goats. We need to remember that Dylan and Eric were quite ill, the system failed to help them properly, and sadly this perfect storm formed. We also need to remember that these two boys decided to open fire, NOT their parents. Their parents had little to no idea that something like this would occur. They also probably had, what I like to call, "parental filters", which is a hindering of reality that pertains to a person's child. They get a mentality of, "not MY kid." And it makes it hard for them to see in front of them. Bernall's parents show clear and obvious signs of that too- the mother talks about her daughter's homicidal and suicidal thoughts without batting an eye. In her eyes, Cassie was crying for help, but Dylan was just a monster raised that way. The families of the shooters are victims.
+Hannah Childers not true theirs signs from the beginning parents just have to be aware of them my own example I had a son who had suicidal thoughts I kept a close monitoring on my son all the time that included of search is room where he whose all the time etc I admit it's time consuming tiring for the parents but thanks to the help of good doctors my diligence consistent to keep my son alive he is now 36 years old this happened wen he whose a teenager no longer he feels that way he enjoys life to the full in a situation where is saving a life parents can't be having the thinking he will be right it's just a passing thru thing I spend my time now talking about helping victims of crime suicidal etc it's true not everyone can be saved but if I can save a person from killing them selves or others I am a happy person because it's 1 less family that will have to go thru the horrific history of kill or be killed peace to u 💐
I hate when people blame the parents kids mold on their own and at 3:04 well duh i understand she is bitter and hurt over the daughters death but Dylan's mom lost her son murderer or not she lost a loved one too i dont find nothing wrong with her concentrating on the suicide that was her son why wouldn't she
What the Burnell parents don't realize is that even if Dylan and Eric were separated from one another, they'd still have gone behind their parents' back to hang out. Teenagers always find a way to do that. As for the medication, motive I used to be on the anti-depressant Zoloft. All it ever did was make me more depressed. I have to question why his doctor only switched brands, instead of trying different medicines altogether. I have a lot of questions, and I'll probably never get an answer to any of them. Nobody knows what was truly going through those boys' minds. As someone who was bullied as a teenager, though, I can honestly say that there's nothing worse than feeling like you're not good enough. However, instead of continuously keeping our focus on the dead, we need to open our ears to the living.
They were separated , After the van break in Mrs Klebold made them separate and Dylan agreed that they needed to stay away from each other , but dyl was FRIGHTENED to even tell Eric the truth.. so he made Mrs Klebold tell Eric over the phone that he couldn’t , also!!! Mrs Klebold said that even if she tried to keep them apart for a long time , they went to school together.. so even if she tried her hardest , they would still talk at school
@@TaylorSwiftOfficol that he didn’t want to hang out with him anymore.. Mrs Klebold said that Eric would like call and Dylan would have her tell Eric that they can’t hang out
@@bloodyunicorn8111 , Oh yeah Ik what you're talking about. That's kinda normal for some teens, sometimes I have days where I don't wanna be bothered and can be irritated by my friends. It's not that it's necessarily their fault, it's just the mood I'm in. But the fact Dylan did it numerous times raises an eyebrow. Definitely interesting.
@@TaylorSwiftOfficol Dylan also told Mrs Klebold that Eric was crazy.. when the was 15? I believe I’ll have to read the book again. But yeah.. , and after the van break in he tried Numerous times to stop talking to Eric. Mrs Klebold said that when Dylan didn’t want to hang out with his friends he had no problem with telling them that he didn’t want to that day.. but with Eric he was really scared to tell him
Wow that women in the blonde hair is absolutely backwards. Her daughter died at the hands of a killer and Dylan committed this crime and took his own life. They should both have sympathy and love for each other as these deaths are still deaths of parents children. No matter how much hate, anger, sadness etc. you feel, it's still okay to feel some sort of sympathy for the killers parents and family as after all, their kids both died here regardless of who was who and who did what.
Matt Beeman it’s pretty hard to forgive the man who killed your children, but it’s not acceptable to say that the parents shouldn’t grieve over their child.
The thing is that not only did they lose their son, but they have the added stress of knowing that he was responsible for so many others pain, plus the added stress on top of that of being unfairly condemned by ignoramuses like this woman berating them and suggesting they hold some of the blame for not knowing this was going to happen. It is not the fault of the parents in this case in any way shape or form.
At the end of the day the parents of Dylan and Eric have lost their son's and I'm sure they have a hard time living with the fact that they committed such horrific acts but people can't expect them to just turn off their emotions and not grieve for their children.
It was wrong in a way for that lady to say that klebolds mother tought that her son dying was the worst things that happend. Because quite frankly as a mother if my son did what klebold or harris did i would still think my son dying was the worst thing. Just as that lady thinks that her daughter fying was the worst. Plus she needs to speak for herself because she has no idea how klebolds mother truly feels about it.
Cassies parents need to stop thinking their daughters death is the one everyone needs to talk about. They need to remember their were 12 other victims not just their daughter.
"They should have seperated Eric & Dylan..." Well, they *were*, for a while, after the van incident. It said so in Sue's essay. "She feels like the most tragic thing that happened throughout this was her son's death." Well, that's not the impression *I* got. First of all, this was her *son*...who killed himself. The essay mostly focused on him, because she was his mother, and, of course, many people had been wanting to hear what the shooter's parents had to say of all this. Plus, she clearly expresses sympathy for the other victims as well.
some of the comments made by the Bernals are making me mad. I understand that they will be forever bitter for what happened to their daughter, but to criticize Sue Klebold for "only grieving her son" is unacceptable. she is a victim in every way that the Bernals are, possibly even more so. not only did she also lose a child that day, but she has had to carry the burden of her child's actions ever since, with no explanation as to how he could've turned into a cold-blooded murderer. If Cassie were a fellow perpetrator of the shooting, they'd be just as speechless as the Harrises and the Klebolds.
Sadly, losing a child can cause terrible emotions, which lead to consistent hatred and anger. It's not pretty for anyone involved, and objectivity can be lost.
Cassie's mom really has a holier than thou attitude. I understand she would be angry at Eric and Dylan for killing her child BUT Cassie wasn't perfect but Mrs Klebold has every right to mourn her child as well. Is her pain any less severe than all those parents who lost their kids that they day? if anything Mrs. Klebold pain is doubled because not only does she have to deal with the loss of her child she has to deal with him being a murderer as well this is something she has to carry for the rest of her life
100% agree and she didn’t have the community rallying around her either. I bet they weren’t even allowed to go to the memorials or anything… There were 15ppl at Dylan’s funeral which was conducted in private and I’m sure there was at least 1500ppl or more at Cassie’s funeral… I’m sure if Sue knew this was happening she would have tried to get help for Dylan. Keeping the boys apart would be like trying to get water out of a sinking boat with your bare hands… it just doesn’t happen… She needs more empathy/sympathy and to not be so judgemental towards the shooters parents until she has walked a mile in their shoes… I get blaming the shooters but not the parents…
They blame the Klebolds and the Harrises, but what about the teachers who saw bullying but never stopped it or the parents of athletes who didn't teach their kids empathy. Here all adults failed.
I really liked Brian Rohrbough’s comments of not blaming the parents and acknowledging that they too lost their children; far more commendable than simply pointing the finger. I get that people lost their children but have some heart.
The man that says that if their child has chronic depression and has isolated themselves is a sign to look out for with crimes like this is so wrong. I have chronic depression and wouldn't hurt a fly. Depression has nothing to do with this.
Jessica Kennon No, but chronic depression is still a problem. It doesn't mean that you're going to commit suicide or kill others, but it is worth looking into. The sooner you get help, the better it is. Columbine high school massacre could probably have been avoided if they had gotten help sooner.
+Jessica Kennon Depression is not a one-size-fits-all illness. Certainly most people with depression will not go on to become mass murderers, but it did contribute to the mindset of these boys at the time they planned and enacted the massacre. It's a fine line when discussing mental illness; it would be terrible to further stigmatize it by associating it concretely with violence, but at the same time, it's often a contributing factor in crimes like this, and where it might have been noticed and treated, there was a possibility of prevention.
I hate when people blame the parents, "oh you missed the signs." What teenager isn't depressed for God's sake. Where do you think the phrase teen angst comes from? Nobody could've PREDICTED this would happen, and even if you think your child is depressed, suicidal, even deranged - who would ever fathom them taking it to this type of measure? And beside the fact, how do you prevent it? The little shit was so cold he simply said "BYE" in a "sharp tone" to his mother. They had a total disregard for life in general so I highly doubt counseling would have happened. These two were on a mission and nothing could have prevented it. Sure, you can stop people through therapy from doing a lot of things. But to blame the parents or somehow attack her character is astonishing to me. NOBODY is the perfect parent. NOBODY. You do the best you can and that's that. Hind sight is 20/20. And as far as people saying the writings the writings - how many of you shared with your parents what you were writing in your diary at 16? Give me a break. Columbine was tragic and I empathize with all the parents of the victims, the whole town. But this MOTHER is just as much of a victim as anyone else.
Cassie had one of the worst deaths eric tapped on the desk she was under in the library and said peekaboo and shot her face off with a sawed off shotgun… :(
My heart goes out to all the victims families including Eric and Dylans. I've watched and read all of Sue Klebolds interviews, essays as well as her book and I for one have an enormous amount of respect, admiration and love for the woman. Did her son commit a horrific tragedy which effected many many lives forever? Yes and I can't imagine going through such a terrifying and heart stricken ordeal. However the parents are not the ones who went to that school with the intent to kill as many as possible. I feel for the Harris's too but with nothing uttered from them, it's hard to know exactly what was perhaps observed under their roof prior to the shootings. Sue Klebold shared everything she could to the world no matter how personal. It astounds me when she's criticized for remaining silent for 17 years before becoming public. She's clearly a very intelligent, responsible and unmitigated woman and she too had suffered her own loss with the death of her son. She had to go through layers of shock, grieving, questions, answers, reality, acceptance, she had an abundance to take in and get through. No one could speak promptly after going through such horror. I give her all the credit in the world with coming out the way she did. She shed light on all she knew and could. She is not denying in any way, shape or form that her son didn't commit this tragedy. At the beginning, she admits that she probably was in some type of denial as the son her and her husband Tom had raised and loved was far from the "monster" being described in the media. When Dylan and Eric got into trouble by breaking into the van, they took action and both boys were enrolled into a juvenile diversion program which they were released early from due to progressing extremely well. And Sue in fact did speak to Eric's parents about separating the boys but Eric's mom wasn't in favor and both just thought they'd keep an eye on them closely. Dylans parents noted that he had actually pulled back from Eric and started hanging more with other friends. Had they'd known what was conspiring between the two just after, I guarantee actions would of been taken. There was many reports of psychologists, psychiatrists, authors, reporters etc that stated there was no way that the Klebolds could of prevented any of this or have seen noticeable signs within their son for there was none. Not even Dylans closest friends knew of his depression and desire to die let alone the massacre they planned. I don't want to condemn Cassie's parents as I can only imagine the pain that they're in losing their daughter but at the same time, there were others who had lost their loved ones too plus all the injured kids families yet not too many have expressed the same blame as the Bernalls do towards Dylan and Eric's parents. I can understand hurting and feeling anger but perfect example "Craig Scott" (brother of victim Rachel Scott) took that anger and directed into something better. He put everything he had into his faith and belief in God allowing him to do so much good. Reaches out to thousands and thousands of others spreading kindness, love and compassion through his sister. The Bernalls state their profound love of God as well as their daughters love and devotion for him (they wrote a book about Cassie being a martyr "She said Yes" when in fact that did not happen. It was Val Schnurr. An honest mistake but still. If their faith is genuine and love for God is as true as they state then you'd think their attitude towards Sue would be a little more accepting or understanding. I find as cruel, harsh and WRONG. My opinion of course. Again my heart goes out to all the families from Columbine who endured such devastation. My heart also goes out to the Harris's and the Klebold's, in particular Sue Klebold who I consider the strongest of women. Hugs to all
Yes I totally agree with you. I am surprised at the Bernalls for all they said and expressed. How can a person who said love God but said bitter things added understanding to it. It just don't. I watch the Amish community who forgive the family of Charlie who killed 5 girls and wounded another 5. They totally forgive them and protect them from the media and even attend their killer funeral. The Bernalls should learn to do that as well if they love God.
I’ve read and finished the book as well, it was very well written and honest. However I noticed she always called him a criminal, he is and was a Mass Murderer and she can never quite call it what it was.
I liked Rachel the most she looks kind and good to everyone she full of love smart and beautiful and full of life I didn't know her but I feel I do she has a impact in my life in a sad and good way
2:02 I can't believe how stupid some people could be, just because her daughter was killed, she mad at Eric and Dylan's parent because "they weren't good enough parents to stop them and make them stop seeing each other"
you'd be surprised at how well a teenager or younger can hide from a parent. its scary 💔 there's even 10 year olds committing suicide and parents are blind and seen no signs. I pray for everyone hurt in this and hope this can be prevented some how
As a mom, I can't even begin to imagine what the victim's parents have been through. While I understand their need to blame someone, I still think it's easy to judge and say that if Dylan had been my child, I would have kept him away from Eric. Maybe there were some signs that his parents dismissed as normal teenage behavior, but I know that if you forbid a 17 year old kid from seeing someone, it will only make him want to see that person more! Even now with iPhones, there is no way of tracking your child's every move, especially once they drive.
I feel bad for the parents please believe me I do but these families have a ton to blame. Simply go to your sons room if your son is throwing a damn ice block thru another kids car windshield okay take him to therapy he stole computer equipment okay ground him take away his things.
I can't imagine being a parent of a mass murder especially too children how would you respond to life, people, and yourself, I sure as hell wouldn't know
I love how Cassie's parents act like gods when the say "oh our daughter had problems but we took charge of the situation." Bottom line, no parent could ever believe their teenage son/daughter could carry out an attack like this. It is so easy for the media, the parents and anyone watching this talking about how the warning sighs were missed. It is so easy to say that after tha fact isnt it. For all parents, go home and look at your teenager and tell me they could possibly kill someone. I dare u
I have lost a child also. Sue has went through double the pain of these people. Cassie’s story was lie. Her parents had no issue making Cassie martyr when it was lie. Mom was told from the start yet she lied about it all.
Cassie´s parents are obviously or did at this time dealing with their pain, but blaming the parents is incredibly wrong. She doesn´t know what is going on Dylans mothers mind and in all honesty, how could her mother know? yeah she should of see signs, but it´s not THAT easy as people think it is, Eric and Dylans parents did not raise two killers, it´s who they became by themselves
They portrait themselves as very good better parents unlike the Klebolds. It appears that every parent should do what they do. How sad and shallow they were.
Of course she feels like the most tragic thing was her son’s death. I am speechless that that mother would criticize another mom. She needs someone to blame, I guess I can understand that. I wonder how she feels today, almost 20 years later. I hope she has forgiven. I really do. Much love to Dylan’s mom and the mom’s of all the other children taken way to soon. This is so sad to me on all so many levels.
I think Susan is sharp and amazing. Her strength has to be so high. She’s doing what she can to live her life and understand. She didn’t pull the trigger. People need to stop blaming
Let me ask this question...before this happened, how many people or parents could have ever fathomed their child would do something like this? Especially kids who were generally good kids with good grades. Everyone needs to look up the meaning of 'hindsight' because that's a big factor in all the lives for everyone who knew Eric and Dylan.
KayBeeEee1983 I've never read a single thing saying that. The closet to that was a neighbor that said they didn't talk to each other when they were outside... So she wasnt a good judge of that. Even all the way back when the Harris' were in NY, people that knew them said they were a normal family and Wayne was at all of Eric's bball games. So again, it's easy to judge and an easy answer to why that happened. To bad they didn't have you as a parent.
Wow Dylan's mother is upset about her son committing suicide, how fucking shocking. Yes these other parents lost their children but fuck you think they would have a bit of sympathy, she lost her child too.
Forbid Eric and Dylan from seeing each other? Seriously? The sad fact is that things like this are not always preventable. If you're the strictest parent in the world, chances are your child is going to rebel even worse than those with freedom. This woman isn't even granted the "charity" to mourn the loss of her own son. No wonder it took her so long to speak out. At the end of the day all you can do is take the precautions that you can and hope for the best knowing that there is evil in the world.
AND Susan state in other interviews that she know she didn´t see the signs, even if the parents are grieving, when this was shot Cassie´s parents should try to put their anger elsewhere
Cassie was a great girl. She never deserved to die, but her mom cannot call out Dylan and Eric's parents. They were busy people and Eric was very very manipulative. In the end, Cassie's mom needs to realize that Eric and Daniels parents are only human, and can't be blamed for this.
also, for being someone who have suffered from depression for several years, you learn how to fake a smile and pretend you´re fine to hide it from the people around you
Dr. N. G. Berrill makes valid points in this video. The several homemade videos that Eric and Dylan made entertained the thought of violence and the personal journals showed how serious the two were about violence to themselves and others. If Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had just killed themselves, it would have been viewed as just another suicide by two teenagers and nobody would have paid attention or cared. By taking the lives of others, now people start paying more attention, noticing odd behavior of others, and take matters of homicidal/suicidal thoughts seriously unlike beforehand. Now the two boys are infamous as we are still talking about them all these years later and will continue forever.
Yea, yet Mrs. Klebold was never an expert on murder/ suicide either before hand. Now in her article, she feels an extreme amount of guilt... basically saying exactly what Mrs. Burnell was saying.
I am not sure what your point is but Dlyan really didn't have many if any of the symptoms that guy mentions. And my school head a video class too I'd say about 25 boys in my class alone made movies just like the ones Eric and Dlyan made.
AtmosphericColor I think both Eric & Dylan were able to mask how they were really feeling on the inside because we will hear a lot of the people that know or met the two would say they didn't know the two were homicidal & suicidal.
film79 The point is we don't know how some people really feel inside. You say 25 boys in your class alone made movies just like the ones Eric and Dylan made that are all themed around violence but you don't know if they could be serious or not. It just takes one incident and like Eric and Dylan, a massacre can ensue. Also, not all the videos Eric and Dylan did were class related.
I feel like parents are oblivious to the realization that the music they allow their children to listen to as a dramatic impact on their psychological development and also the movies they watch as well
I can't believe that lady said that the boys' parents should've kept the boys away from each other. I don't like the fact that they did this but still. these two were best friends. you can't keep best friends apart. it's just wrong
+Ellisha George Hindsight is a wonderful thing. The parents had no idea it was going to lead to this, and it's nearly impossible to stop 18 year olds socialising with who they chose. U can't hold them hostage at that age - it's against the law. They are adults. Anytime they go out, they will see who they want. Trying to dictate to an 18 year old who they should, and shouldn't see, only worsens your relationship with them, and is totally ineffective.
Say you went to the same school as Dylan and Eric, on the same day of the shooting you were in the library, you were shot they harassed you and made fun of you before they shoot you, the parents could have stopped this by paying more attention or separating them, but you don't care they are best friends so let's let it slide :)
Cassie had a diary where she and a guy friend talked about murdering them and eating their guts. She was EXTREMELY disturbed and it could have been HER that did this - she wrote as much as they did about horrific homicidal behavior. She was as fucked up as them and by the way, she DIDNT say yes. She shook and cried and died silently.
I think Sue dedicating herself to suicide prevention & depression is very important. It's vital to understand how certain children become killers. In order to prevent these atrocities. I don't think focusing on the atrocities, as Bernall suggested, would lead anywhere worthwhile. I think Sue has put in the work under immense grief.
No sue isn’t helping anyone she hasn’t given any meaningful info read her book and you will see she contradicts herself on many occasions. She is just profiting off of serious mental illnesses. Honestly Cassie’s mothers approach is better than Susan’s.
What a strong message from Sue Klebold. I really appreciate that she came public and share with us her journey. I feel petty from Cassie's parents,mainly because 20 years later and they have not learn nothing from this tragedy still in the position of blaming and accusing the Klebold's of bad parenting.
the bullying lead to the Shooting and destruction of so many lives. so whoms fault is it? i think not dylans or erics. and besides it´s not the fault of dylans or erics parents. maybe parents of Kids in School shoud teach their Kids how to behave and not pick on someone the whole time
Anger is a common reaction to loss especially when someone else is responsible. I think everyone should bear in mind this is days after the massacre and feelings are very raw. RIP
you narrow minded fools will never fully grasp why they did it in Dylan's case depression and the feeling of being left out and not having a girlfriend did play a role in the massacre...he might of been on anti depressant s but what was the cause? the environment that didn't accept him or was he already predisposed of it because of lack of serotonin? nobody will ever know but keep this in mind he was a human being after all he had feeling and emotions like the rest of us I can tell from this video that Susan klebold loved her son to the fullest... shes still grieving for what her son did and what might of caused it....just don't call these 2 monsters.. for all we know they might of been victims turned monsters in the end
+Lesbo Joker I can guarantee you that Eric was just as much a victim as Dylan...maybe more read his journal in some entries he said clearly that he was left out of soo much "fun" and that noone invited him and that he supposedly had their phone numbers but they never called him AND I heard one instance that he was socked in the face by some other guy at the school because Eric was supposedly talking to his gf look it up I know Eric was depressed but I could tell he was able to turn it into rage rather than self pity like Dylan
+Norma Savage Yeah, but if you read his other journal entries, he wanted to kill because he thoughts humans needed to die. He wanted to create a new world with himself and a few other people. He thought he was above everyone and wanted to play God. All that bullying shit is, well, bullshit. A lot of his friends and acquaintances have stated that he was not bullied and had a good amount of friends. He thought he was superior and that is the reason he did it.
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Dam cassies parents should understand out of everyone because it sounds like cassie was thinking very similarly to the klebold and harris and it happened right under their noses for awhile too. Unfortunately for eric and dylans case they just werent caught on time.
I agree fully with Mr. Burnell's comment on why suicide just simply isn't enough. My heart is heavy for those who lost their lives in this tragic event but my heart is also heavy for the boys and their families involved in the shooting. Many would perceive these two as "monsters" but as one explores other ideas, the real tragedy is the fact that these two boys felt hopeless in life and the only alternative for people to understand their pain was to take their pain out on others, ultimately leaving a mark and becoming "infamous."
This woman Misty Bernal should be ashamed of herself- she is profiting off a false story about her daughter- making millions and becoming famous from her death. She has the audacity to get mad that kids came out to tell the truth and say how Cassie never even said anything before dying. The things people do for money and fame…
All the children who died that day had parents who loved them and will mourn a loss incomprehensible for most... The parents of the shooters included! It is extremely selfish for any person to expect anything less..
“They should have separated Eric and Dylan and forbidden them from seeing one another.” Lady, do you know how teenagers operate? If you tell a teenager they can’t do something, they’re going to do it to spite you. I did things to spite my parents in my teen years- that’s what teens do.
I dont think that the parents are to blame.There is no way that the parents could have stopped this Mrs Klebold is not focusing on her son s suicide she is stating her becoming aware of her son s suicide thoughts and obviously wishing that somehow she could have forsaw.I do feel such sadness for all the victims of this even the shooters.
I think that its really unfair to blame the parents for not seeing the signs. I am a parent and we can't see behind every door. I don't think the parents actually saw all the stuff in their rooms, I think that if they did they would have done something. The part about the mother that daughter was killed, she says that Mrs. Klebold focused mostly on her son's suicide rather than what happened. If that were me, and that was my kid, Firstly, I would be in shock and devastated at the death of my child. I'm sure that the parents were devastated by the kids that were either killed, injured or traumatised, but they both just lost their sons and have to take on the guilt that the media and public hands them. No one understands what its like to be a parent unless you are one, there are no handbooks, we do the best we can, ask yourself this question, this was a well thought out plan, so if nobody else picked up on it, how were the parents supposed to. There are many serial killers out there and their families have no idea until they are caught. These parents are blaming the parents of the killers because they are hurting and they are going through a stage to find someone to blame. I think its understandable, if my child were killed I probably would blame anyone I can, cause I would have to lash out. It's just a sad situation that there are no real answers.
A few things to point out: Cassie Bernal was homicidal and suicidal. He parents saw signs of depression and anger and went through her room. She got the help she needed and recovered. Sue Klebold stated that her son's thought process and anger were irrational and disturbed. His actions were deliberate, calculated, and malicious. He just believed things that simply were not reality and getting arrested was the point of no return for him.
I know everybody likes to blame the parents because they want somebody to direct their anger at, but these parents are no more to blame for their kids actions than the parents of the so called jocks who bullied these two kids to death. If we want to stop or reduce these tragic things from happening, we all need to learn some compassion for others. Stop being so high & mighty just because you think your're better than somebody else simply because you're good at sports or because you are more attractive than others. We need to start when our kids are super young and lead by example. You don't bully or exclude others or make them feel so bad they want to literally die. You are not all that just because you play sports in high school. The majority of so called jocks in high school never make anything out of their life & certainly most never become major sports stars. The same thing goes for the so called pretty girls in high school. Most of them end up gaining tons of weight or aging very rapidly and badly from too many times in the tanning beds. I know I hated being super skinny in my teens and wanted curves so badly. Now I'm thankful for my body shape because now that I'm in my mid thirties I finally have cures in all the right places & unlike the other gals who always had curves I'm not fat. They sadly have all packed on the pounds & certainly don't look like they would want to. People need to learn to accept others who might not look like a barbie because one day they might look like a barbie and you might NOT. We need to show our teens that high school is over in a flash & show them they will find their place in the world after high school & not be forced to be in a school or classroom filled with enemies. I feel bad for all these parents & kids involved in this. I can't imagine the sorrow. I have a 2 year old son and if he did something like this I'd not be able to live. No mother who loves their child could ever stop loving them no matter what they do, but the conflict of emotion after seeing what they have done would b e harder than just grief alone. The parent's of the bullies should feel a little responsible too if they want to blame parents for what their kids do. Why didn't THEY know what their kids were doing? Why didn't they know that they had raised a bully who is so toxic that he/she can drive an already unstable, weak person to lose their minds & commit murder? Frankly, it's our entire societies fault & how we humans love to feel superior to others & tear others apart to make ourselves feel more important. I'm totally convinced that even as unstable as these kids were, if they had been accepted & treated with respect this would not have happened. If they had had a girlfriend this would not have happened either. It's sappy to say it but love is what we all need & feeling like we belong, are accepted & respected. These kids are just a symptom of a bigger and growing epidemic that we seem incapable as a nation to repair. Parents only care about their careers so they can live in bigger homes and drive the best cars while their kids run wild. Clearly, we need to ask why this happens more in America than anywhere else....I'm afraid to send my son to school now days.
He showed clear signs of something wrong and the school and his parents didn't take any action It is *only* the fault of the school and his parents. As an Asian, it happens more in America than anywhere else because we don't treat people like shit and KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT KIDS ARE UP TO. We keep them in check. Here the bullies would get beat up. The way Americans deal with youngsters is very faulty.
i understand what brian is saying. but wow at brad and misty. was susan expected to ignore her relationship with her son and how his death impacted her in the essay? and she did talk about those "signs"?
I know alto of people are saying Cassie's parents are very empathetic, but please put yourself in their shoes their daughter was killed for no reason, her whole life was taken from her. They are right Sue interviews are mainly focused on her son suicide, and where she went wrong as a parent. The whole situation is so sad. If I was Cassie's parents I would feel the same way. Rip Cassie, you didn't deserve to die in such a horrific manner. May God bless and provide comfort to the all families involved, including the shooters families, invovled in this senseless tragedy🙏🙏🙏.
Of course she mourns her son. He was her flesh and blood. She mourns the little boy she remembers, before the madness. To ask her to not be so affected by her sons suicide is lunacy.
This woman acts like because her son was a murderer that it isn't tragic she lost him. He was still her son.
Matt Beeman who are you talking to? Grow up
Matt Beeman you need help.
Matt Beeman calm the fuck down you fucking leech
Sue Klebold is a narcissistic pretender
Annette eat glass.
Anyone who asks "Where were the parents?? Why didnt they do something?" obviously never had a teenage son. Ever try to get one to talk and tell you their feelings? May as well be talking to a wall. It isnt always easy to see trouble brewing in your sons mind.
well dylan (i think) was seeing a psychiatrist
Fuck talking. How can you not know your kid is rocking around with semi automatics, sawn off shotguns and making bombs in their spare time. How about go in their room and have a look.
Qwerty Qwertyson not every parent stalks their children you know
+Dick Chiney It's not stalking, it's your fucking child. You're their guardian until they're old enough to get out from under the roof you put over their head. Being a parent is more than birthing them and giving room, food and utilities like you're some sort of charitable landlord.
Aaron Speary well when you think about an incident in retrospect, you tell yourself "I could have prevented that by doing this" but people have a set of values and respecting someone's personal area is one of those values
Your child wasn't the only victim.
Stop being so ignorant Ms Bernell.
You have every right to grieve, but so do the Harris's and Klebolds's. Their worlds changed forever that day too.
fagg0tcore if they actually took time with there kids this wouldn't have happened
No if the police who had shit tons of evidence and information to bust them would have done THERE job. THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED.
drummerkidkill dude anyone can get a gun and go on a massacre tmrw. Its impossible to prevent
She seems like your stereotypical helicopter parent who judges other people without knowing the whole story or imagining being in the other person’s shoes.
+GDrago she did take time with her kid
The parents of Cassy seem really selfish. I understand they have something against Dylan and Eric, but the parents aren't to blame for this. Most teens barely talk about their true feelings with their family and usually a parent shouldn't have to ask their kid if they're thinking of shooting up a school. They said Dylan kept journals hidden away and hid his depression and Eric hid his hatred for people pretty well too. It just seems fucked to me to think of Dylan and Eric and their parents as not being victims. Dylan and Eric weren't born to kill, they became outcasts and therefore took their revenge, They were hurting inside. As Marilyn Manson said '' I wouldn't say a single word to them I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did.''
+Nick Pronyk First: If someone shot your child in the face, at point blank range, with a sawed off shot gun, I reckon you would be a little pissed off too. And like them, you would have the right to feel what you felt about that loss, and the circumstances behind that loss. Second, they can say it because it is what they did for Cassie. It turns out that Cassie had gotten involved with the wrong crowd and was possible headed down the same path as Eric and Dylan. They forbid her to see those friends, got her involved with a church youth group and changed her school; to Columbine. Cassie's life had changed for the better, before she died so they can say what Dylan and Eric's parents should have done because they themselves tried it with their child and it worked for them. Third: These people were there to hear the depositions for the lawsuits that were filed in the wake of the massacre. They heard all of the evidence, and all of the paths that Eric and Dylan took to end up in that library dead, and it's the truth. A lot of the reason why, particularly in Eric's case, that these two boys were able to get this far is because their parents, where not disciplinarians didn't ask, didn't check, defended, denied, excused, and didn't further inquire when warning signs popped up, like their sons getting arrested together for stealing out of a work van, getting suspended for hacking into the school computers and for making death threats against other students, including those in their own circle of friends, and violent essays. Dylan's parents were somewhat oblivious, Eric's parents denied and tried to ignore what Eric was doing until they couldn't anymore; those are the fact. The two people that the majority of the blame belongs to for what happened are Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. But the parents of the two shooters, teacher, counselors, doctors, and police are also culpable. Because for those of us who have looked closely at it the circumstances; we understand that there were so many times where if one of those people or agents would have just paid attention or took them seriously, or investigated, or looked further into, Columbine would probably have never happened, and the parents have to accept some of the responsibility for that, because thirteen people died and the twenty-four others were injured at the hands of their sons. Their sons were building incendiary devices,stock pilling an arsenal of weapons, and spent a whole year under their parents roofs planning to blow up that school, and shoot survivors. I don't feel like people should hate them, I have sympathy for both sets of parents of the shooters, but they have to bare some of the responsibility for what happened to that school, and to the students, faculty, and staff because Eric and Dylan where their children, and this infamous crime was conceived and developed right under their roofs, and under their noses, where they paid the mortgages and made the rules for their houses.
+Ellisha George Again, I have no idea how u think u can dictate to 18 year olds who they see. If u have a good relationship with a well-balanced 18 year old, they might listen to ur advice. But forcibly stopping them is impossible.
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I know it's a foreign concept to you, but it's called being a parent and having authority over what happens in your house and under your roof where you pay the mortgage. especially when those eighteen year olds are still in school and living in your house where you are primarily taking care of them, and you can still be held responsible for what they do. In cases like Eric and Dylan, and how Cassie Bernall was going at one point, you don't want to submit to authority, so you do something that ends you up in jail, where you are going to submit the the authority of the warden, and the prison guards, or the other prisoners weather you like it or not; but you are going to end up submitting to some authority. Only Eric was eighteen, and he had just turned so on April 9th. Dylan was seventeen. When the smoke cleared from Columbine, The Harris' and the Klebold's were sued; sued for the damage to that school, thirteen wrongful deaths, and I don't know how many personal injury cases. So don't tell me as a parent you don't have a right to tell your child what to do, even one who has reached the age of eighteen, but is still living under your roof and you are primarily still providing for their needs. You may be of age, but you are not grown until you are out of your parents house, out of their pockets and able to provide for yourself. and PS Eighteen, is still a few years away from being twenty-one.
+Ellisha George I have to correct you. Eric was NOT a sociopath, he was a psychopath. There is a difference.
"Selfish"? I think they're being charitable, their daughter was murdered for fuck sake, give them a break.
I don't like what Misty Bernall said at all. How dare you demoralize a woman's grief for her son's suicide? Her son committed one of the most horrific murders in American history AND killed himself. I don't blame the Klebold's or Harris's. Those were good families, they looked after their boys. They truly did not know! I know the victim's families with forever be grieving and angry at the boys' families, but within their grief they need to be at peace with their parents. Forgive the parents if anything. They honestly did not know. They deserve to mourn the sons they lost that day too.
They didn't "look after their boys", they didn't ground them after getting arrested for theft and sending in homework reeking of violence in school
It's not that they didn't know that something was wrong
The only truth is that they did nothing about it
@amandataebby so to your mind , not punishing him at all for the legal trouble he got into is looking after him ? All that taught him was that his parents were ok with it and that other people weren't . The signs were there and the legal trouble he got into for robbing the van and the violent homework he passed in and nothing was done about it , that isn't looking after your kids . You may not like hearing this but Dylan could just as easily have killed his brother that day . He was a danger to everybody . Yes he hid his problems very well for a long time but the warning signs were that point where he was getting into trouble and they just dismissed it as a brief issue that would go away . I feel bad for her too , you can see it affects her severely and that it haunts her and tortures her every day . She does care but that essay was her getting her grief out and that is what Cassie's parents didn't want to hear. They don't want to have anything in common with the shooter's parents and I understand that but that is no excuse for them to demoralize and berate her like that on public tv. But those signs were there and she didn't pick up on the fact that they were a sign of something much worse going on . That isn't her fault for not picking up on it but the victim's parents , don't want to hear it , they wanted more acknowledgement for what was done to them and their children and that is also something I understand as well .
I'm not a parent, I don't understand parental love. But I also can't begin to imagine how it would feel to bring a child into the world, raise him, look after him, love him and try to protect him for him to take the lives of 13 innocent people and then put a gun to his head.
It must be awful for Cassies parents, I get that, but Susan lost a child too and not only has she lost him but she carries the burden of knowing her son took the lives of those kids, that's something Cassies parents don't have.
Blaming her is totally unfair and it seems like they forget Eric and Dylan were their parents babies as well and living with that image must be the most horrendous thing in the world. Give her a break.
The Kezra
I agree
The Kezra I totally agree with you.
I myself am not a father but I can just imagine how painful it would to even exist after your child committed such an unthinkable atrocity upon other people
@@Dukesparrow1999Oh I know! My heart really breaks for Sue! :(
I'm a father and I sympathize with the complexity of Sues feelings. I bet it's got to be hard knowing your son snuffed out so many
lives. I think its appropriate for Cassies parents question if their parents noticed changes. Parents should cognizant daily of how their kids are feeling.
The Bernall parents shouldn't talk. Sue Klebold bravely spoke out about her son and she has nothing to do with it. It did happen under her nose, but she had no idea. Dylan stated himself in his diary that he had a loving family and good grades and some friends - it was her. The Bernalls on the other hand tried to make up this urban legend about their daughter standing up and claiming she believed in God, which is a lie, and they're still making money off of it. THAT is outrageous.
"Exploitation is contagious"
Very true.
Some of the stuff in sues book are quite invalid to
And his family wasn’t perfect they fought all the time
@@carnival3429 It could be. What are you referring to? Families fight, yes.
cassie parents shouldnt be judging Dylan mom since cassie was drawing of murdering them and doing drugs
im just saying why blame dylan and eric parents for there dylan and eric actions
well eric did have the guns and pipe bombs and eric's dad did found the pipe bomb but he let eric detenate it but dylan didnt have the weapons so she wounldn't have known dylan was planning the massure with eric
And Cassie was into witchcraft before she gave her life to Christ
She also killed like 100 ppl.
@@jsharps1000 Who’s she?
I hate how the parents of the victims don't seem to want to allow the parents of the shooters to grieve. They lost children that day too.
I love how you're acting as if every single parent of a victim is on a crusade to keep the H&K families from grieving and generalizing them as a group because of some out of line comments from a few of them.
Harrises and Klebolds lost children that day too? REALLY! NO SHIT! I'm sure the families of the victims were unaware of that.
I mean, it's not like these families have had met and discussed feelings with the H&K families or anything... it's not like they've ever expressed sympathy for them (like Brian in this very clip)...
Columbiners are so damn blinded I swear.
I was referring to Cassie's parents, but I know I worded that incorrectly.
And wtf is a Columbiner?
***** Brian has no sympathy for the Harris and Klebolds, remember in 1999 he took the crosses off of them. I understand why he took them off but he said that the families of the killers deserve no sympathy for the pain they're going through. The Victims don't care for the shooters parents.... they think it's their fault for them not stopping the shooting and calling them horrible parents, like Lauren's stepfather said.
lol at op's comment still.
do the victims families steal eric and Dylan's ashes from their parents' homes?
Cassies parents are kinda rude
Agamemnon fuck them ignorant fucks
They are rude.
Yeah. Those pigs !
Feuertaufe thats wasnt even cassie
Boomer simps
Oh for fuck sake, it's not her hands who took the gun. It was another human being, it's not the same person. WTF
What do you need? A sorry from a person who never killed? Death do not choose who you are, death makes a victim who is taking the gun and the victim who dies from the bullet. Both of sides were controlled by death. In the end death is the judge to life. And you can't revive it. Death is the strongest weapon against life.
Sounds to me like Mrs.Bernells daughter was just as insane.
@BlackSoul98 if you read Misty's book she talked about how Cassie had homicidal and suicidal thoughts as well as doing drugs and rebelling before becoming a born again Christian.
@BlackSheep85 HA HA HA ya like Christian makes you any better than anyone else.
@@jasonstrader3942 he was clearly being ironic bud
You never know what’s going through someone’s mind even if it’s your own child.
Well you kind of do… journals.
@@WilliamsPinchIndeed, those who disbelieve spend their wealth to avert [people] from the way of Allāh. So they will spend it; then it will be for them a [source of] regret; then they will be overcome. And those who have disbelieved - unto Hell they will be gathered.
Qur'aan 8:36
Of course she's focusing on her son's death that's her baby!!!! I hate to say this but I feel the worst for the killers parents look at what they have to live with imagine knowing that your son was capable of that..... And it's interesting because Cassie Burrell actually planned a murder on one of her teachers before she got in the Bible group...... However I do think what they did is freaking awful !!!!!!!I'm not condoning whatsoever just trying to put myself in their parents shoes
Cassie's parents are horrible, horrible people, not to mention hypocrites. I love how they failed to mention Cassie's disturbing diary and her desire to murder her family. It easily could have been her committing a shooting. But, like many religious people, they are completely and utterly blind. Huge respect to Mrs Klebold. She has lived through something tragic and hold's herself with dignity. I hope she finds happiness.
If you would actually pick up a book (Cassie's mom's book She Said Yes), and actually read it then you would see that her mom DID mention Cassie's being involved in satanism...BEFORE her conversion to Christianity.
Heather Fraser I refuse to even read it because it's based in complete lies. It's been proven time and time again that they never asked Cassie that question it was someone else, yet they still try and capitalize on not only their religion, but their child's death.
And I'm Christian just to note it, and I'm not a sympathizer but if you're gonna talk down to someone for "not reading a book" I sure as fuck hope you have read Sue Klebolds book.
As a matter of fact, I have read Sue's book, (and I do sympathize with her because I don't think any parent, or person in general, should be held accountable or blamed for someone else's actions, even if it is their own child) in addition to all the books written by survivors and just about anything else related to Columbine. And She Said Yes is NOT a book based on lies, that's why I said it should be read before being judged. The title is basically the only thing the entire book had anything to do with the misunderstanding in the library. The whole book is about Cassie's life before and after her conversion, much like I'm Not Ashamed is a movie based entirely on Rachel Scott's life and faith and not focused on the shooting itself. And by the way, nice language for a "Christian". And as far as "talking down to someone for not reading a book", you're way off base on my comment because it was in reference to the person making assumptions based on simply that, without having done research before making said assumptions.
OysterHunter I agree...I don't know if Cassies parents are horrible people but they are certainly very self righteous. They fail to take into account that it was only through luck that Cassies letters were found. According to the book "She Said Yes", Mrs Bernall was in Cassies drawer looking for a bible she knew Cassie had. It wasn't that the Bernall were such magnificent, vigilant and caring parents. It was luck. As you say, It COULD just as easily have been Cassie and her friends. I can't imagine losing a child in this way. The pain and anger must be immense. But Mrs Klebold lost a child too and I can't even begin to fathom the amount of courage it has taken her to speak out as publicly as she has. A truly brave and honorable lady.
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I feel.all the sorrow in the world for every single one of those 13 killed and 25 wounded, but when Mrs. Bernal talks as if she was some sort of a perfect mother... First they raise Cassie in this uptight Christian household till the point when she wants to kill her parents, and then lock her in an evangelical private school until she's brainwashed back into submission through faith. This isn't that much better of a parenting, lady. And besides, this whole "witchcraft and murder" story which they laid out... it just seems so much like the caricaturized Christian propaganda view of paganism and goths, rather than something that would actually have happened, it just reminds me of those "Chick Tracts" by Jack Chick, it just further ensures me of how crazed in their religion the Bernals actually were.
Regardless of what anyone says I feel much sympathy for Mrs. Klebold. I mean true her son murdered but he. Was. Her. Son. Any mother finding out that their child would commit suicide by itself would be heartbreaking, and then adding the events of Columbine into the mix. And y'know it is sad too with the Bernell family however the way they were saying 'oh they should have taken better care for their children' is easier said than done. I mean even if they somehow knew about Eric and Dylan's behavior, separating them would do nothing-as they went to the same school and even had a class together-and I think would increase their angry behavior. But in the long run, she and her husband-and not forgetting Dylan's older brother-are gonna have to live with this scar, and already have been for the last fifteen years. But hopefully they remember him as their son and not the killer. I least hope that Eric and Dylan finally have peace.
I agree.
I think Eric's family was oblivious (his father found a pipe bomb in his room and confiscated it). Plus, Eric was a sociopath. Dylan? Well he went to Eric's house to do the planning. It sounds like he was a misguided kid who could have been steered on the right path had it not been for Eric. How could his mother have known when there was no planning done under her roof? Besides, she had another son who didn't commit mass murder and who was shocked as everybody else. You can't always blame the parents. I think you can possibly blame Eric's parents, but most likely not Dylan's.
She is a very sweet, educated, and brave lady.
Has anybody ever told Cassie's mum that the story of 'She said Yes' is a complete lie?
+OysterHunter Also Misty wrote the Tom and Susan Klebold left them a note apologizing for Dylan's role in the shooting. I've seen her say they hadn't contacted them at all. She's lying, one second they did, then they didn't.
+OysterHunter yes, as I understand it Misty Bernall conceded that the initial reports of her daughter saying yes were not accurate. Even the preface to recent editions of the book concede this.
+OysterHunter, It's wasn't a lie, it was a misunderstanding from an eyewitness that was believed to be true, big difference.
@@thesimslover82884 The Columbine Inconsistencies.. is that written in her book??
@@AlanWattResistance But they/ve been pushing that story, it keeps changing to one kid to the next
Wow, Cassie's mom is so pompous & desperate for someone to blame. I can't believe she judged so harshly. I hope she looks back at this interview & is ashamed of herself
Agree!
HER FUCKING DAUGHTER HAD HER HEAD BLOWN OFF
I THINK YOU WOULD BE MAD TOO
I agree, although the irrationality is probably normal given the circumstances. To blame anyone other than the shooters themselves lets them off the hook. Plenty of murderers have normal parents, it doesn't take much research.
Jim Dandy Read Eric Harris's diary. It's filled with existentialism and self-hatred.
If you're not willing to dig into the root of this problem, you're only impeding the solution.
I find it sick that the parents are being blamed directly. When tragedy strikes, and there are very scarce answer sources, and no real place to direct our anger towards, we look for scape goats. We need to remember that Dylan and Eric were quite ill, the system failed to help them properly, and sadly this perfect storm formed. We also need to remember that these two boys decided to open fire, NOT their parents. Their parents had little to no idea that something like this would occur. They also probably had, what I like to call, "parental filters", which is a hindering of reality that pertains to a person's child. They get a mentality of, "not MY kid." And it makes it hard for them to see in front of them. Bernall's parents show clear and obvious signs of that too- the mother talks about her daughter's homicidal and suicidal thoughts without batting an eye. In her eyes, Cassie was crying for help, but Dylan was just a monster raised that way. The families of the shooters are victims.
+Bailey C. I agree with you Bailey that the Harris and Klebold families are also victims.
+Bailey C. You are so right. Most of the time there is no way to tell if someone is in such a state of depression. They are not empathetic at all.
+Bailey C. You are so right. Most of the time there is no way to tell if someone is in such a state of depression. They are not empathetic at all.
In some cases parents are to blame not always off course
+Hannah Childers not true theirs signs from the beginning parents just have to be aware of them my own example I had a son who had suicidal thoughts I kept a close monitoring on my son all the time that included of search is room where he whose all the time etc I admit it's time consuming tiring for the parents but thanks to the help of good doctors my diligence consistent to keep my son alive he is now 36 years old this happened wen he whose a teenager no longer he feels that way he enjoys life to the full in a situation where is saving a life parents can't be having the thinking he will be right it's just a passing thru thing I spend my time now talking about helping victims of crime suicidal etc it's true not everyone can be saved but if I can save a person from killing them selves or others I am a happy person because it's 1 less family that will have to go thru the horrific history of kill or be killed peace to u 💐
Blame the parents!? Ugh Cassie’s parents took advantage of their own daughters death. Sold books and lied about her last words.
I hate when people blame the parents kids mold on their own and at 3:04 well duh i understand she is bitter and hurt over the daughters death but Dylan's mom lost her son murderer or not she lost a loved one too i dont find nothing wrong with her concentrating on the suicide that was her son why wouldn't she
well when i think about it I'm not her and i dont know how it feels so i shouldn't say shes bitter
What the Burnell parents don't realize is that even if Dylan and Eric were separated from one another, they'd still have gone behind their parents' back to hang out. Teenagers always find a way to do that. As for the medication, motive I used to be on the anti-depressant Zoloft. All it ever did was make me more depressed. I have to question why his doctor only switched brands, instead of trying different medicines altogether. I have a lot of questions, and I'll probably never get an answer to any of them. Nobody knows what was truly going through those boys' minds. As someone who was bullied as a teenager, though, I can honestly say that there's nothing worse than feeling like you're not good enough. However, instead of continuously keeping our focus on the dead, we need to open our ears to the living.
They were separated , After the van break in Mrs Klebold made them separate and Dylan agreed that they needed to stay away from each other , but dyl was FRIGHTENED to even tell Eric the truth.. so he made Mrs Klebold tell Eric over the phone that he couldn’t , also!!!
Mrs Klebold said that even if she tried to keep them apart for a long time , they went to school together.. so even if she tried her hardest , they would still talk at school
@@bloodyunicorn8111 Tell Eric the truth about what...?
@@TaylorSwiftOfficol that he didn’t want to hang out with him anymore..
Mrs Klebold said that Eric would like call and Dylan would have her tell Eric that they can’t hang out
@@bloodyunicorn8111 , Oh yeah Ik what you're talking about. That's kinda normal for some teens, sometimes I have days where I don't wanna be bothered and can be irritated by my friends. It's not that it's necessarily their fault, it's just the mood I'm in.
But the fact Dylan did it numerous times raises an eyebrow. Definitely interesting.
@@TaylorSwiftOfficol Dylan also told Mrs Klebold that Eric was crazy.. when the was 15? I believe I’ll have to read the book again. But yeah.. , and after the van break in he tried Numerous times to stop talking to Eric.
Mrs Klebold said that when Dylan didn’t want to hang out with his friends he had no problem with telling them that he didn’t want to that day.. but with Eric he was really scared to tell him
Wow that women in the blonde hair is absolutely backwards. Her daughter died at the hands of a killer and Dylan committed this crime and took his own life. They should both have sympathy and love for each other as these deaths are still deaths of parents children. No matter how much hate, anger, sadness etc. you feel, it's still okay to feel some sort of sympathy for the killers parents and family as after all, their kids both died here regardless of who was who and who did what.
Matt Beeman it’s pretty hard to forgive the man who killed your children, but it’s not acceptable to say that the parents shouldn’t grieve over their child.
Just because they are both connected to a murder doesn’t mean they will be besties get a grip you know nothing about these types of situations.
"Well I think she is focusing more on her sons suicide than on the homicide" I think you are focusing more on the homicide than the suicide
Or her daughters death
The parents of the eric and dylan probably went through and are going through way more than the other victim's parents.
Dont way more now dont get too bold
The thing is that not only did they lose their son, but they have the added stress of knowing that he was responsible for so many others pain, plus the added stress on top of that of being unfairly condemned by ignoramuses like this woman berating them and suggesting they hold some of the blame for not knowing this was going to happen. It is not the fault of the parents in this case in any way shape or form.
Luke R
Agreed
Tragedy isn't a race. They all lost their children.
xxxtrddy edd no I'd say way more
At the end of the day the parents of Dylan and Eric have lost their son's and I'm sure they have a hard time living with the fact that they committed such horrific acts but people can't expect them to just turn off their emotions and not grieve for their children.
It was wrong in a way for that lady to say that klebolds mother tought that her son dying was the worst things that happend. Because quite frankly as a mother if my son did what klebold or harris did i would still think my son dying was the worst thing. Just as that lady thinks that her daughter fying was the worst. Plus she needs to speak for herself because she has no idea how klebolds mother truly feels about it.
Cassies parents need to stop thinking their daughters death is the one everyone needs to talk about. They need to remember their were 12 other victims not just their daughter.
How could eric stock pile so much ammo and weapons without his dad giving a sh**
"They should have seperated Eric & Dylan..."
Well, they *were*, for a while, after the van incident. It said so in Sue's essay.
"She feels like the most tragic thing that happened throughout this was her son's death."
Well, that's not the impression *I* got. First of all, this was her *son*...who killed himself. The essay mostly focused on him, because she was his mother, and, of course, many people had been wanting to hear what the shooter's parents had to say of all this. Plus, she clearly expresses sympathy for the other victims as well.
some of the comments made by the Bernals are making me mad. I understand that they will be forever bitter for what happened to their daughter, but to criticize Sue Klebold for "only grieving her son" is unacceptable. she is a victim in every way that the Bernals are, possibly even more so. not only did she also lose a child that day, but she has had to carry the burden of her child's actions ever since, with no explanation as to how he could've turned into a cold-blooded murderer. If Cassie were a fellow perpetrator of the shooting, they'd be just as speechless as the Harrises and the Klebolds.
+heyimJoeK Exactly!!
Burnells parents: most selfish humans i can think of in this interview
Sadly, losing a child can cause terrible emotions, which lead to consistent hatred and anger. It's not pretty for anyone involved, and objectivity can be lost.
What's wrong with you
actual arby it’s like they didn’t even read her words.
Cassie's mom really has a holier than thou attitude. I understand she would be angry at Eric and Dylan for killing her child BUT Cassie wasn't perfect but Mrs Klebold has every right to mourn her child as well. Is her pain any less severe than all those parents who lost their kids that they day? if anything Mrs. Klebold pain is doubled because not only does she have to deal with the loss of her child she has to deal with him being a murderer as well this is something she has to carry for the rest of her life
100% agree and she didn’t have the community rallying around her either. I bet they weren’t even allowed to go to the memorials or anything… There were 15ppl at Dylan’s funeral which was conducted in private and I’m sure there was at least 1500ppl or more at Cassie’s funeral… I’m sure if Sue knew this was happening she would have tried to get help for Dylan. Keeping the boys apart would be like trying to get water out of a sinking boat with your bare hands… it just doesn’t happen… She needs more empathy/sympathy and to not be so judgemental towards the shooters parents until she has walked a mile in their shoes… I get blaming the shooters but not the parents…
They blame the Klebolds and the Harrises, but what about the teachers who saw bullying but never stopped it or the parents of athletes who didn't teach their kids empathy.
Here all adults failed.
I appreciate Daniel's dad. To be able to understand someone else's perspective in view of what he has to go through,...I appreciate it.
Cassies parents said she was talking suicide and saying she was going to kill her parents but they then say that sue klebold is a bad parent
I really liked Brian Rohrbough’s comments of not blaming the parents and acknowledging that they too lost their children; far more commendable than simply pointing the finger. I get that people lost their children but have some heart.
God, I hate Cassie's parents. So rude to say that.
I know misty bernall is a nutcase and a bitch. Brad Bernall is a dick.
The man that says that if their child has chronic depression and has isolated themselves is a sign to look out for with crimes like this is so wrong. I have chronic depression and wouldn't hurt a fly. Depression has nothing to do with this.
Jessica Kennon No, but chronic depression is still a problem. It doesn't mean that you're going to commit suicide or kill others, but it is worth looking into. The sooner you get help, the better it is.
Columbine high school massacre could probably have been avoided if they had gotten help sooner.
+Jessica Kennon Depression is not a one-size-fits-all illness. Certainly most people with depression will not go on to become mass murderers, but it did contribute to the mindset of these boys at the time they planned and enacted the massacre. It's a fine line when discussing mental illness; it would be terrible to further stigmatize it by associating it concretely with violence, but at the same time, it's often a contributing factor in crimes like this, and where it might have been noticed and treated, there was a possibility of prevention.
+Jessica Kennon Some of the medications (antidepressants and antipsychotics) DO HAVE something to do with this.
Not always u are right but in a person that already haze a violent character and other factors can trigger
+alittlebirdysaid well said 👍👌👏
This is what complicated grief does to a person
I hate when people blame the parents, "oh you missed the signs." What teenager isn't depressed for God's sake. Where do you think the phrase teen angst comes from? Nobody could've PREDICTED this would happen, and even if you think your child is depressed, suicidal, even deranged - who would ever fathom them taking it to this type of measure? And beside the fact, how do you prevent it? The little shit was so cold he simply said "BYE" in a "sharp tone" to his mother. They had a total disregard for life in general so I highly doubt counseling would have happened. These two were on a mission and nothing could have prevented it. Sure, you can stop people through therapy from doing a lot of things. But to blame the parents or somehow attack her character is astonishing to me. NOBODY is the perfect parent. NOBODY. You do the best you can and that's that. Hind sight is 20/20. And as far as people saying the writings the writings - how many of you shared with your parents what you were writing in your diary at 16? Give me a break. Columbine was tragic and I empathize with all the parents of the victims, the whole town. But this MOTHER is just as much of a victim as anyone else.
+Ali Arshad thankfully it's not time wasted on pining after women on CZcams comments ;)
Cassie had one of the worst deaths eric tapped on the desk she was under in the library and said peekaboo and shot her face off with a sawed off shotgun… :(
My heart goes out to all the victims families including Eric and Dylans. I've watched and read all of Sue Klebolds interviews, essays as well as her book and I for one have an enormous amount of respect, admiration and love for the woman. Did her son commit a horrific tragedy which effected many many lives forever? Yes and I can't imagine going through such a terrifying and heart stricken ordeal. However the parents are not the ones who went to that school with the intent to kill as many as possible. I feel for the Harris's too but with nothing uttered from them, it's hard to know exactly what was perhaps observed under their roof prior to the shootings. Sue Klebold shared everything she could to the world no matter how personal. It astounds me when she's criticized for remaining silent for 17 years before becoming public. She's clearly a very intelligent, responsible and unmitigated woman and she too had suffered her own loss with the death of her son. She had to go through layers of shock, grieving, questions, answers, reality, acceptance, she had an abundance to take in and get through. No one could speak promptly after going through such horror. I give her all the credit in the world with coming out the way she did. She shed light on all she knew and could. She is not denying in any way, shape or form that her son didn't commit this tragedy. At the beginning, she admits that she probably was in some type of denial as the son her and her husband Tom had raised and loved was far from the "monster" being described in the media. When Dylan and Eric got into trouble by breaking into the van, they took action and both boys were enrolled into a juvenile diversion program which they were released early from due to progressing extremely well. And Sue in fact did speak to Eric's parents about separating the boys but Eric's mom wasn't in favor and both just thought they'd keep an eye on them closely. Dylans parents noted that he had actually pulled back from Eric and started hanging more with other friends. Had they'd known what was conspiring between the two just after, I guarantee actions would of been taken.
There was many reports of psychologists, psychiatrists, authors, reporters etc that stated there was no way that the Klebolds could of prevented any of this or have seen noticeable signs within their son for there was none. Not even Dylans closest friends knew of his depression and desire to die let alone the massacre they planned.
I don't want to condemn Cassie's parents as I can only imagine the pain that they're in losing their daughter but at the same time, there were others who had lost their loved ones too plus all the injured kids families yet not too many have expressed the same blame as the Bernalls do towards Dylan and Eric's parents. I can understand hurting and feeling anger but perfect example "Craig Scott" (brother of victim Rachel Scott) took that anger and directed into something better. He put everything he had into his faith and belief in God allowing him to do so much good. Reaches out to thousands and thousands of others spreading kindness, love and compassion through his sister. The Bernalls state their profound love of God as well as their daughters love and devotion for him (they wrote a book about Cassie being a martyr "She said Yes" when in fact that did not happen. It was Val Schnurr. An honest mistake but still. If their faith is genuine and love for God is as true as they state then you'd think their attitude towards Sue would be a little more accepting or understanding. I find as cruel, harsh and WRONG. My opinion of course.
Again my heart goes out to all the families from Columbine who endured such devastation. My heart also goes out to the Harris's and the Klebold's, in particular Sue Klebold who I consider the strongest of women. Hugs to all
Yes I totally agree with you. I am surprised at the Bernalls for all they said and expressed. How can a person who said love God but said bitter things added understanding to it. It just don't. I watch the Amish community who forgive the family of Charlie who killed 5 girls and wounded another 5. They totally forgive them and protect them from the media and even attend their killer funeral. The Bernalls should learn to do that as well if they love God.
I’ve read and finished the book as well, it was very well written and honest. However I noticed she always called him a criminal, he is and was a Mass Murderer and she can never quite call it what it was.
I liked Rachel the most she looks kind and good to everyone she full of love smart and beautiful and full of life I didn't know her but I feel I do she has a impact in my life in a sad and good way
I get that they’re grieving, but Mrs Klebold is courageous & has never been aloof to what her son did.
2:02 I can't believe how stupid some people could be, just because her daughter was killed, she mad at Eric and Dylan's parent because "they weren't good enough parents to stop them and make them stop seeing each other"
you'd be surprised at how well a teenager or younger can hide from a parent. its scary 💔 there's even 10 year olds committing suicide and parents are blind and seen no signs. I pray for everyone hurt in this and hope this can be prevented some how
As a mom, I can't even begin to imagine what the victim's parents have been through. While I understand their need to blame someone, I still think it's easy to judge and say that if Dylan had been my child, I would have kept him away from Eric. Maybe there were some signs that his parents dismissed as normal teenage behavior, but I know that if you forbid a 17 year old kid from seeing someone, it will only make him want to see that person more! Even now with iPhones, there is no way of tracking your child's every move, especially once they drive.
I feel bad for the parents please believe me I do but these families have a ton to blame. Simply go to your sons room if your son is throwing a damn ice block thru another kids car windshield okay take him to therapy he stole computer equipment okay ground him take away his things.
@@Aokoebor Exactly!
5:40 - 5:58 What the hell !!
Cassie was suicidal & wanted to kill her parents ?
This changed high school history. I was just 3 years old before I turned 4 that year 1999 . I can’t believe it’s been 22 years for this .
I can't imagine being a parent of a mass murder especially too children how would you respond to life, people, and yourself, I sure as hell wouldn't know
I love how Cassie's parents act like gods when the say "oh our daughter had problems but we took charge of the situation." Bottom line, no parent could ever believe their teenage son/daughter could carry out an attack like this. It is so easy for the media, the parents and anyone watching this talking about how the warning sighs were missed. It is so easy to say that after tha fact isnt it. For all parents, go home and look at your teenager and tell me they could possibly kill someone. I dare u
I have lost a child also. Sue has went through double the pain of these people. Cassie’s story was lie. Her parents had no issue making Cassie martyr when it was lie. Mom was told from the start yet she lied about it all.
Cassie´s parents are obviously or did at this time dealing with their pain, but blaming the parents is incredibly wrong. She doesn´t know what is going on Dylans mothers mind and in all honesty, how could her mother know? yeah she should of see signs, but it´s not THAT easy as people think it is, Eric and Dylans parents did not raise two killers, it´s who they became by themselves
They portrait themselves as very good better parents unlike the Klebolds. It appears that every parent should do what they do. How sad and shallow they were.
they HID all of these things from their parents. the parents didnt know what they were planning.
Of course she feels like the most tragic thing was her son’s death. I am speechless that that mother would criticize another mom. She needs someone to blame, I guess I can understand that. I wonder how she feels today, almost 20 years later. I hope she has forgiven. I really do. Much love to Dylan’s mom and the mom’s of all the other children taken way to soon. This is so sad to me on all so many levels.
I think Susan is sharp and amazing. Her strength has to be so high. She’s doing what she can to live her life and understand. She didn’t pull the trigger. People need to stop blaming
Let me ask this question...before this happened, how many people or parents could have ever fathomed their child would do something like this? Especially kids who were generally good kids with good grades. Everyone needs to look up the meaning of 'hindsight' because that's a big factor in all the lives for everyone who knew Eric and Dylan.
You have absolutely no evidence they didn't. So you are a horrible person for judging. I wish everyone was as perfect a parent like you think you are.
KayBeeEee1983 I've never read a single thing saying that. The closet to that was a neighbor that said they didn't talk to each other when they were outside... So she wasnt a good judge of that. Even all the way back when the Harris' were in NY, people that knew them said they were a normal family and Wayne was at all of Eric's bball games. So again, it's easy to judge and an easy answer to why that happened. To bad they didn't have you as a parent.
Very good point Chara
Well apparently Eric’s dad and their friends since they called the cops on them saying it might be them.
Placing blame on the parents causes more pain. You're all suffering enough.
Wow Dylan's mother is upset about her son committing suicide, how fucking shocking. Yes these other parents lost their children but fuck you think they would have a bit of sympathy, she lost her child too.
Forbid Eric and Dylan from seeing each other? Seriously? The sad fact is that things like this are not always preventable. If you're the strictest parent in the world, chances are your child is going to rebel even worse than those with freedom. This woman isn't even granted the "charity" to mourn the loss of her own son. No wonder it took her so long to speak out. At the end of the day all you can do is take the precautions that you can and hope for the best knowing that there is evil in the world.
AND Susan state in other interviews that she know she didn´t see the signs, even if the parents are grieving, when this was shot Cassie´s parents should try to put their anger elsewhere
Cassie was a great girl. She never deserved to die, but her mom cannot call out Dylan and Eric's parents. They were busy people and Eric was very very manipulative. In the end, Cassie's mom needs to realize that Eric and Daniels parents are only human, and can't be blamed for this.
also, for being someone who have suffered from depression for several years, you learn how to fake a smile and pretend you´re fine to hide it from the people around you
Dr. N. G. Berrill makes valid points in this video. The several homemade videos that Eric and Dylan made entertained the thought of violence and the personal journals showed how serious the two were about violence to themselves and others. If Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had just killed themselves, it would have been viewed as just another suicide by two teenagers and nobody would have paid attention or cared. By taking the lives of others, now people start paying more attention, noticing odd behavior of others, and take matters of homicidal/suicidal thoughts seriously unlike beforehand. Now the two boys are infamous as we are still talking about them all these years later and will continue forever.
On point dude
Yea, yet Mrs. Klebold was never an expert on murder/ suicide either before hand. Now in her article, she feels an extreme amount of guilt... basically saying exactly what Mrs. Burnell was saying.
I am not sure what your point is but Dlyan really didn't have many if any of the symptoms that guy mentions. And my school head a video class too I'd say about 25 boys in my class alone made movies just like the ones Eric and Dlyan made.
AtmosphericColor I think both Eric & Dylan were able to mask how they were really feeling on the inside because we will hear a lot of the people that know or met the two would say they didn't know the two were homicidal & suicidal.
film79 The point is we don't know how some people really feel inside. You say 25 boys in your class alone made movies just like the ones Eric and Dylan made that are all themed around violence but you don't know if they could be serious or not. It just takes one incident and like Eric and Dylan, a massacre can ensue. Also, not all the videos Eric and Dylan did were class related.
They must of been the chilliest dudes to hang out with but nobody took the time to even talk to them or something.
I feel like parents are oblivious to the realization that the music they allow their children to listen to as a dramatic impact on their psychological development and also the movies they watch as well
I can't believe that lady said that the boys' parents should've kept the boys away from each other. I don't like the fact that they did this but still. these two were best friends. you can't keep best friends apart. it's just wrong
+Ellisha George Hindsight is a wonderful thing. The parents had no idea it was going to lead to this, and it's nearly impossible to stop 18 year olds socialising with who they chose. U can't hold them hostage at that age - it's against the law. They are adults. Anytime they go out, they will see who they want. Trying to dictate to an 18 year old who they should, and shouldn't see, only worsens your relationship with them, and is totally ineffective.
+destiny cash Pretty sure it's not wrong to keep your depressed son away from a psychopath, even if they're best friends.
Ok then
Say you went to the same school as Dylan and Eric, on the same day of the shooting you were in the library, you were shot they harassed you and made fun of you before they shoot you, the parents could have stopped this by paying more attention or separating them, but you don't care they are best friends so let's let it slide :)
They were best friends parents have no say who you hang out with after the age of 10
Cassie had a diary where she and a guy friend talked about murdering them and eating their guts. She was EXTREMELY disturbed and it could have been HER that did this - she wrote as much as they did about horrific homicidal behavior. She was as fucked up as them and by the way, she DIDNT say yes. She shook and cried and died silently.
“the parents should’ve banned them from seeing each other” they literally did 😭 but they went to the SAME school
We don't really hear about Eric's mother
I think Sue dedicating herself to suicide prevention & depression is very important. It's vital to understand how certain children become killers. In order to prevent these atrocities. I don't think focusing on the atrocities, as Bernall suggested, would lead anywhere worthwhile. I think Sue has put in the work under immense grief.
No sue isn’t helping anyone she hasn’t given any meaningful info read her book and you will see she contradicts herself on many occasions. She is just profiting off of serious mental illnesses. Honestly Cassie’s mothers approach is better than Susan’s.
What a strong message from Sue Klebold. I really appreciate that she came public and share with us her journey. I feel petty from Cassie's parents,mainly because 20 years later and they have not learn nothing from this tragedy still in the position of blaming and accusing the Klebold's of bad parenting.
cassie looked so much like her mom its so sad this tragedy R.i.p 13 victims
the bullying lead to the Shooting and destruction of so many lives. so whoms fault is it? i think not dylans or erics. and besides it´s not the fault of dylans or erics parents. maybe parents of Kids in School shoud teach their Kids how to behave and not pick on someone the whole time
lol H&K apologists. Eric said himself in his journal that no one made him do it and that it's nobody else's fault.
Anger is a common reaction to loss especially when someone else is responsible. I think everyone should bear in mind this is days after the massacre and feelings are very raw. RIP
you narrow minded fools will never fully grasp why they did it
in Dylan's case depression and the feeling of being left out and not having a girlfriend did play a role in the massacre...he might of been on anti depressant s but what was the cause? the environment that didn't accept him or was he already predisposed of it because of lack of serotonin? nobody will ever know but keep this in mind he was a human being after all
he had feeling and emotions like the rest of us
I can tell from this video that Susan klebold loved her son to the fullest... shes still grieving for what her son did and what might of caused it....just don't call these 2 monsters.. for all we know they might of been victims turned monsters in the end
+Lesbo Joker I can guarantee you that Eric was just as much a victim as Dylan...maybe more
read his journal
in some entries he said clearly that he was left out of soo much "fun" and that noone invited him and that he supposedly had their phone numbers but they never called him AND I heard one instance that he was socked in the face by some other guy at the school because Eric was supposedly talking to his gf
look it up
I know Eric was depressed but I could tell he was able to turn it into rage rather than self pity like Dylan
+Norma Savage Yeah, but if you read his other journal entries, he wanted to kill because he thoughts humans needed to die. He wanted to create a new world with himself and a few other people. He thought he was above everyone and wanted to play God. All that bullying shit is, well, bullshit. A lot of his friends and acquaintances have stated that he was not bullied and had a good amount of friends. He thought he was superior and that is the reason he did it.
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Dam cassies parents should understand out of everyone because it sounds like cassie was thinking very similarly to the klebold and harris and it happened right under their noses for awhile too. Unfortunately for eric and dylans case they just werent caught on time.
I agree fully with Mr. Burnell's comment on why suicide just simply isn't enough. My heart is heavy for those who lost their lives in this tragic event but my heart is also heavy for the boys and their families involved in the shooting. Many would perceive these two as "monsters" but as one explores other ideas, the real tragedy is the fact that these two boys felt hopeless in life and the only alternative for people to understand their pain was to take their pain out on others, ultimately leaving a mark and becoming "infamous."
Well said Katy
Come on now, breaking into a van doesn't automatically indicate that the perpetrators are going to go on a shooting spree.
This woman Misty Bernal should be ashamed of herself- she is profiting off a false story about her daughter- making millions and becoming famous from her death. She has the audacity to get mad that kids came out to tell the truth and say how Cassie never even said anything before dying. The things people do for money and fame…
All the children who died that day had parents who loved them and will mourn a loss incomprehensible for most... The parents of the shooters included! It is extremely selfish for any person to expect anything less..
Maybe it's not the best thing to allow 18 year olds to purchase assault rifle's like AR-15 or Tec-9.
Sander Nielsen they bought them illegally and through straw purchase.
“They should have separated Eric and Dylan and forbidden them from seeing one another.”
Lady, do you know how teenagers operate? If you tell a teenager they can’t do something, they’re going to do it to spite you. I did things to spite my parents in my teen years- that’s what teens do.
I would love my son and grieve his loss even if he was a mass murderer, so sad to see they are so bitter and haven’t forgiven
I dont think that the parents are to blame.There is no way that the parents could have stopped this Mrs Klebold is not focusing on her son s suicide she is stating her becoming aware of her son s suicide thoughts and obviously wishing that somehow she could have forsaw.I do feel such sadness for all the victims of this even the shooters.
I think that its really unfair to blame the parents for not seeing the signs. I am a parent and we can't see behind every door. I don't think the parents actually saw all the stuff in their rooms, I think that if they did they would have done something. The part about the mother that daughter was killed, she says that Mrs. Klebold focused mostly on her son's suicide rather than what happened. If that were me, and that was my kid, Firstly, I would be in shock and devastated at the death of my child. I'm sure that the parents were devastated by the kids that were either killed, injured or traumatised, but they both just lost their sons and have to take on the guilt that the media and public hands them. No one understands what its like to be a parent unless you are one, there are no handbooks, we do the best we can, ask yourself this question, this was a well thought out plan, so if nobody else picked up on it, how were the parents supposed to. There are many serial killers out there and their families have no idea until they are caught. These parents are blaming the parents of the killers because they are hurting and they are going through a stage to find someone to blame. I think its understandable, if my child were killed I probably would blame anyone I can, cause I would have to lash out. It's just a sad situation that there are no real answers.
A few things to point out: Cassie Bernal was homicidal and suicidal. He parents saw signs of depression and anger and went through her room. She got the help she needed and recovered.
Sue Klebold stated that her son's thought process and anger were irrational and disturbed. His actions were deliberate, calculated, and malicious.
He just believed things that simply were not reality and getting arrested was the point of no return for him.
How judgmental those parents are. I understand they are in pain but it’s not their parents fault.
I know everybody likes to blame the parents because they want somebody to direct their anger at, but these parents are no more to blame for their kids actions than the parents of the so called jocks who bullied these two kids to death. If we want to stop or reduce these tragic things from happening, we all need to learn some compassion for others. Stop being so high & mighty just because you think your're better than somebody else simply because you're good at sports or because you are more attractive than others. We need to start when our kids are super young and lead by example. You don't bully or exclude others or make them feel so bad they want to literally die. You are not all that just because you play sports in high school. The majority of so called jocks in high school never make anything out of their life & certainly most never become major sports stars. The same thing goes for the so called pretty girls in high school. Most of them end up gaining tons of weight or aging very rapidly and badly from too many times in the tanning beds. I know I hated being super skinny in my teens and wanted curves so badly. Now I'm thankful for my body shape because now that I'm in my mid thirties I finally have cures in all the right places & unlike the other gals who always had curves I'm not fat. They sadly have all packed on the pounds & certainly don't look like they would want to. People need to learn to accept others who might not look like a barbie because one day they might look like a barbie and you might NOT. We need to show our teens that high school is over in a flash & show them they will find their place in the world after high school & not be forced to be in a school or classroom filled with enemies. I feel bad for all these parents & kids involved in this. I can't imagine the sorrow. I have a 2 year old son and if he did something like this I'd not be able to live. No mother who loves their child could ever stop loving them no matter what they do, but the conflict of emotion after seeing what they have done would b e harder than just grief alone. The parent's of the bullies should feel a little responsible too if they want to blame parents for what their kids do. Why didn't THEY know what their kids were doing? Why didn't they know that they had raised a bully who is so toxic that he/she can drive an already unstable, weak person to lose their minds & commit murder? Frankly, it's our entire societies fault & how we humans love to feel superior to others & tear others apart to make ourselves feel more important. I'm totally convinced that even as unstable as these kids were, if they had been accepted & treated with respect this would not have happened. If they had had a girlfriend this would not have happened either. It's sappy to say it but love is what we all need & feeling like we belong, are accepted & respected. These kids are just a symptom of a bigger and growing epidemic that we seem incapable as a nation to repair. Parents only care about their careers so they can live in bigger homes and drive the best cars while their kids run wild. Clearly, we need to ask why this happens more in America than anywhere else....I'm afraid to send my son to school now days.
He showed clear signs of something wrong and the school and his parents didn't take any action
It is *only* the fault of the school and his parents.
As an Asian, it happens more in America than anywhere else because we don't treat people like shit and KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT KIDS ARE UP TO.
We keep them in check.
Here the bullies would get beat up.
The way Americans deal with youngsters is very faulty.
"Where were the parents?!"
Cmon, don't be naive. Just like me and you when we were teenagers, hiding stuff from our parents was our gift.
I love how her son died and she went in hiding for over 15 years but they still tell her how to be a parent and that it's her fault
It's so refreshing to see somebody offering prayer as a healing agent instead of screaming evil things at someone. God Bless.
I just watched the movie "I'm not ashamed" Rachel Scot was wonderful lady! I had no idea they took their own lives ...this is so damn sad!!
But at least Dylan mother apologized every time and the Harrison doesn't apologized at all. Or admitt they were at fault.
i understand what brian is saying.
but wow at brad and misty. was susan expected to ignore her relationship with her son and how his death impacted her in the essay? and she did talk about those "signs"?
I know alto of people are saying Cassie's parents are very empathetic, but please put yourself in their shoes their daughter was killed for no reason, her whole life was taken from her. They are right Sue interviews are mainly focused on her son suicide, and where she went wrong as a parent. The whole situation is so sad. If I was Cassie's parents I would feel the same way. Rip Cassie, you didn't deserve to die in such a horrific manner. May God bless and provide comfort to the all families involved, including the shooters families, invovled in this senseless tragedy🙏🙏🙏.
Of course she mourns her son. He was her flesh and blood. She mourns the little boy she remembers, before the madness. To ask her to not be so affected by her sons suicide is lunacy.