F1 drivers just don't like getting passed on the outside. Schumacher was utterly lost every time Montoya tried it on him and he'd either spin himself or run Montoya off the track just like Hunt did to Andretti in this video.
No doubt that Hunt ran it wider on the exit to block Andretti. You can tell in his rant to the Andretti team afterwards that he felt it was his position to keep (at any cost).
No doubt that Hunt ran it wider on the exit to block Andretti. You can tell in his rant to the Andretti team afterwards that he felt it was his position to keep (at any cost).
the corner is banked the way it is to allow passes exactly like that to happen. Mario obviously had more experience with banked racetracks coming from America and James probably wasn't expecting him to be there due to not expecting a pass around the outside imo I'd say hunt should've looked in his mirrors but I'd put to down to a racing accident. though if it'd happened in modern day "penalise everything" f1 I'm sure andretti would've been given 10 grid places for daring to overtake or something
I think you are right, i don't think James tried intentionally to push out Mario, James made the same line of previous laps, so probably he thought Mario lifted up.
Kind of like what Jacques Villeneuve did to Michael Schumacher at Estoril in 96 - pass on the outside of a long curve. These guys have IndyCar experience on oval tracks which Europeans don't understand.
yes but we're not racing in Indy car are we, this is F1 what hunt did was fair he defended his position, Mario at no point was ahead hunt squeezed him which is what any F1 driver would of done so it was up Mario to back out
Im an American and it seems that europeans have a much better understanding of banked corners than american drivers have of european-type road circuits....look at history. Jimmy Clark & Graham Hill - F1 World Champions came to Indy 500 and beat the likes of Mario Andretti, Foyt, Parnelli Jones, etc...when it comes to car racing, as an American, don't underestimate europeans experience with ovals. It wouldn't be wise or prudent. There was Andretti & Phil Hill - that's all folks!!! When it comes to F1 specifically, Mario was not quicker than Hunt, not by a long way. That move he tried to pull was stupid as Hunt had the lead in, during, and out of that corner by half a car length; Andretti should have stayed patient. Hunts car was atrocious, to keep Mario at bay for as long as he did, says a lot about Hunts ability, not so much Marios. The Lotus was light years ahead of even the Ferrari's that year after a big drought since the Lotus 72. Look at how quick Ronnie Peterson was to Mario - enough said. I love Mario Andretti and what he did for motorsports, but we have to face facts, even as americans. Villenueve pass of Schumacher was brilliant, it had nothing to do with his Indy win or oval experience, he outbraked Shu into that corner and Schu tried to take both cars out of contention. Any question(s)?
sennalotus12 your quite stupid aren’t you most Americans didn’t want to go to Europe because of the anti american policy in European racing that’s all they could have the same success he’ll dan gurney got sick of it so whent over there and won in his own car and an Foyt was an incredible road racer and won lemans the one time he did it but didn’t want to go to f1 because he hated Europeans and they hated him back and he would have just been kicked out for punching them if they tried messing with him as an American that you say you are learn some facts learn about motor racing also Ronnie Pettersson was overrated and these is no way the genius that is Colin Chapman would make a driver like Pettersson a number two for no reason also as senna said if you don’t go for a gap your no longer a racing driver if you think that’s Mario’s fault you love modern f1 were you can’t ever pass because that’s called going for a big gap we’re if the other drivers not being a twat you can make the pass
sennalotus12 wow hunt kept someone behind him at a circuit we’re it’s hard to pass and that says a lot about hunt not so much Andretti you my friend are useless and your opinions are some of the stupidest I have ever heard and if you are American your part of why I hate my country right now
No doubt that Hunt ran it wider on the exit to block Andretti. You can tell in his rant to the Andretti team afterwards that he felt it was his position to keep (at any cost).
El auto de Andretti ya era un wingcar en 1977, luego mejorado con el mítico Lotus 79. Por eso podía ganar puestos en curva y por fuera. Hunt no lo sabía.
Hunt no sabia de la experiencia de mario en circuitos ovalados y con tierra.pero mario fue por fuera en un circuito donde no puedes ir asi por fuera por que la inercia te corrige a velocidad.aun asi fue un toque casi compartido por donde se lo vea
Clearly Andretti's fault. All of the drivers were using that berm to exit that turn. James didn't change his line at all and yet Andretti was already on the grass. 'Not cool. But no harm, no foul, it was Niki's championship anyway that year.
Thank you for that link, Jay V. Beautiful move and pass by Gilles! Or as Enzo Ferrari called him, the Prince of Destruction. But that's how to make a pass! I'm a huge Mario fan too though; I just thought he pushed it too far with James. 'Never forget when we saw Gilles win Long Beach in '79 by 29 secs. over Jody that day.
None of you have a bloody clue. Its called inertia. A car drifts to the outside at such speeds and can't just turn on a sixpence. I guess non of you have ever driven a race car .
Hunt didn't have Andretti's grip and his car naturally slide wider on tight corners. Andretti knew that but was famous for his early accidents. No change here. Some seem to forget, racing drivers are on the limit and do not have a choice of line, or can simple alter the direction the car is travelling in at will. This isn't a supermarket car park!
Hunt didn't like or rate Andretti and, wildly emotional man that he was, he simply closed the door believing in the heat of that moment that a crash was better than being overtaken. Drivers were supposed to give each other room in those deadly days, not slam the door and risk a horrendous accident.
In my honest opinion, as Hunt had taken the same line out of Tarzan every lap since the start, Andretti probably would have known that wedge was going to disappear. Most outside overtakes (certainly these days) are seen as a gamble and if you end up losing out, the driver on the racing line had the right to put you there. It’s academic now 40 years after the event, but Mario pretty much got what he paid for there.
And if you did that in a modern F1 car they'd still be sweeping the bits off the track months later. If Hunt's car hadn't broken a drive shaft of diff they would have both carried on and had a beer on it in the bar after the race...
Can not believe you blame Mario. Hunt saw him try the outside move and ahold have known he would try it again. Cars have mirrors for a reason. Mario just better than Hunt.
Hunt had one brief fortune aided moment of glory. He was a character for sure but only a good driver. Mario is one of the all time greats with a record to prove it.
@@somedrytoast2307 10kg is 2 tenth. 2 tenth was the Senna Prost difference in qualify, but Prost was smaller. Prost was more consistent throughout the race. f1banter.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/senna-vs-prost-statistics-show-you-would-rather-have-prost-in-your-car-if-you-were-a- f1-team-principal the same thing can be said of Andretti, his weight lower than Hunt's allowed him to be more consistent in the race, in addition to weight, height also affects the aerodynamics. tall and heavy pilots are less and less successful than small ones with the same reflexes, aggressiveness, experience, technological knowledge (Mansell the engineer pilot, the man of the new generation).
@@somedrytoast2307 mansell was a strange pilot, extremely knowledgeable on the technical side, courageous and very correct. however I remember that he was criticized by the Italian press for insufficient physical preparation. I remember the cartoons in the newspapers with him exhausted and senna making fun of him. was another era and drivers of different generations crossed, I think the first to prepare in a scientific way was Senna to beat Prost who was naturally physically better suited to drive F1 cars.
I am a huge fan of Mario but I have to say he was in the wrong here. Why get so aggressive so early in the race, be patient and wait for Hunt to make a mistake, better yet pressure him into making one,
Renato Camurca: yeah, I guess that's why Andretti was nicknamed 'Hunt The Shunt.' In fact Andretti was such an "aggressive" & wreckless driver that he practically won everything but Le Mans.
+Renato Camurça: Hasty? How so? Andretti was in the superior car. Furthermore he notified Hunt of his intentions at the Tarzan in the previous lap. Andretti pulled it off against Ruetemann 3 years later, when Carlos was in the championship winning FW07... no problem with either driver. Gilles pulled it off on Alan Jones the year before, in 1979.. no problem with either driver in this instance also. To shift fault solely on Andretti is absurd. It was a racing accident, simple as that.
So your blind Mario has the right to some space and at least go for an overtake a driver as good as both of there calibers should no better than to driver right up into him this is why the rolls are so terrible in f1 today people like you who hate the prospect of an overtake and you see a driver totally squeeze another driver and go it was just the racing line
A good expample of why Hunt had the infamous nickname of 'Hunt the Shunt'
F1 drivers just don't like getting passed on the outside. Schumacher was utterly lost every time Montoya tried it on him and he'd either spin himself or run Montoya off the track just like Hunt did to Andretti in this video.
No doubt that Hunt ran it wider on the exit to block Andretti. You can tell in his rant to the Andretti team afterwards that he felt it was his position to keep (at any cost).
certainly an ambitious move by andretti - i'm not surprised it didn't work.
Dunno how anyone could blame Mario for that, he was on the outside kerb and James drove right over him.
Curb lol .
@RoadhogTime13 He deliberately drove Mario out of room. Unsportsmanlike.
@RoadhogTime13 "...and taking the racing line..." lol :)))))
No doubt that Hunt ran it wider on the exit to block Andretti. You can tell in his rant to the Andretti team afterwards that he felt it was his position to keep (at any cost).
Great post, well done!
Rare to see good TV coverage back then, but the Dutch seemed to know what they were doing.
What a fantastic track!!
Here we go mate!!
Extremely nice and fascinating!!
Lotus 78, my dearest F1 car of all time
Indeed a hot car
the corner is banked the way it is to allow passes exactly like that to happen. Mario obviously had more experience with banked racetracks coming from America and James probably wasn't expecting him to be there due to not expecting a pass around the outside
imo I'd say hunt should've looked in his mirrors but I'd put to down to a racing accident.
though if it'd happened in modern day "penalise everything" f1 I'm sure andretti would've been given 10 grid places for daring to overtake or something
I think you are right, i don't think James tried intentionally to push out Mario, James made the same line of previous laps, so probably he thought Mario lifted up.
cdname47 Hunt would be penalised for pushing Andretti off, but never mind...
Kind of like what Jacques Villeneuve did to Michael Schumacher at Estoril in 96 - pass on the outside of a long curve. These guys have IndyCar experience on oval tracks which Europeans don't understand.
yes but we're not racing in Indy car are we, this is F1 what hunt did was fair he defended his position, Mario at no point was ahead hunt squeezed him which is what any F1 driver would of done so it was up Mario to back out
Im an American and it seems that europeans have a much better understanding of banked corners than american drivers have of european-type road circuits....look at history. Jimmy Clark & Graham Hill - F1 World Champions came to Indy 500 and beat the likes of Mario Andretti, Foyt, Parnelli Jones, etc...when it comes to car racing, as an American, don't underestimate europeans experience with ovals. It wouldn't be wise or prudent. There was Andretti & Phil Hill - that's all folks!!! When it comes to F1 specifically, Mario was not quicker than Hunt, not by a long way. That move he tried to pull was stupid as Hunt had the lead in, during, and out of that corner by half a car length; Andretti should have stayed patient. Hunts car was atrocious, to keep Mario at bay for as long as he did, says a lot about Hunts ability, not so much Marios. The Lotus was light years ahead of even the Ferrari's that year after a big drought since the Lotus 72. Look at how quick Ronnie Peterson was to Mario - enough said. I love Mario Andretti and what he did for motorsports, but we have to face facts, even as americans.
Villenueve pass of Schumacher was brilliant, it had nothing to do with his Indy win or oval experience, he outbraked Shu into that corner and Schu tried to take both cars out of contention. Any question(s)?
i dont agree, ronnie peterson was the quicker of 70's in qualify, but was not so good in save the tires in the race.
this is a very serious point.
sennalotus12 your quite stupid aren’t you most Americans didn’t want to go to Europe because of the anti american policy in European racing that’s all they could have the same success he’ll dan gurney got sick of it so whent over there and won in his own car and an Foyt was an incredible road racer and won lemans the one time he did it but didn’t want to go to f1 because he hated Europeans and they hated him back and he would have just been kicked out for punching them if they tried messing with him as an American that you say you are learn some facts learn about motor racing also Ronnie Pettersson was overrated and these is no way the genius that is Colin Chapman would make a driver like Pettersson a number two for no reason also as senna said if you don’t go for a gap your no longer a racing driver if you think that’s Mario’s fault you love modern f1 were you can’t ever pass because that’s called going for a big gap we’re if the other drivers not being a twat you can make the pass
sennalotus12 wow hunt kept someone behind him at a circuit we’re it’s hard to pass and that says a lot about hunt not so much Andretti you my friend are useless and your opinions are some of the stupidest I have ever heard and if you are American your part of why I hate my country right now
Man I loved that M26
Me too
I like James Hunt a lot but this was his fault. He didnt give Andretti enough room and Andretti was clearly on the outside.
I don't understand why Andretti was still traying to get past the vibrator... Where did he want to go ? In the grass ?
No doubt that Hunt ran it wider on the exit to block Andretti. You can tell in his rant to the Andretti team afterwards that he felt it was his position to keep (at any cost).
El auto de Andretti ya era un wingcar en 1977, luego mejorado con el mítico Lotus 79. Por eso podía ganar puestos en curva y por fuera. Hunt no lo sabía.
Hunt no sabia de la experiencia de mario en circuitos ovalados y con tierra.pero mario fue por fuera en un circuito donde no puedes ir asi por fuera por que la inercia te corrige a velocidad.aun asi fue un toque casi compartido por donde se lo vea
Clearly Andretti's fault. All of the drivers were using that berm to exit that turn. James didn't change his line at all and yet Andretti was already on the grass. 'Not cool. But no harm, no foul, it was Niki's championship anyway that year.
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Thank you for that link, Jay V. Beautiful move and pass by Gilles! Or as Enzo Ferrari called him, the Prince of Destruction. But that's how to make a pass! I'm a huge Mario fan too though; I just thought he pushed it too far with James. 'Never forget when we saw Gilles win Long Beach in '79 by 29 secs. over Jody that day.
None of you have a bloody clue. Its called inertia. A car drifts to the outside at such speeds and can't just turn on a sixpence. I guess non of you have ever driven a race car .
Thats what im thinking too
Hunt didn't have Andretti's grip and his car naturally slide wider on tight corners. Andretti knew that but was famous for his early accidents. No change here. Some seem to forget, racing drivers are on the limit and do not have a choice of line, or can simple alter the direction the car is travelling in at will.
This isn't a supermarket car park!
Racing incident, Hunt had every right to hold his line and andretti couldn't back off so far into the corner
Hunt didn't like or rate Andretti and, wildly emotional man that he was, he simply closed the door believing in the heat of that moment that a crash was better than being overtaken. Drivers were supposed to give each other room in those deadly days, not slam the door and risk a horrendous accident.
More like Hunt ran Mario off the track.
In my honest opinion, as Hunt had taken the same line out of Tarzan every lap since the start, Andretti probably would have known that wedge was going to disappear. Most outside overtakes (certainly these days) are seen as a gamble and if you end up losing out, the driver on the racing line had the right to put you there. It’s academic now 40 years after the event, but Mario pretty much got what he paid for there.
I don’t think it was intentional.
And if you did that in a modern F1 car they'd still be sweeping the bits off the track months later. If Hunt's car hadn't broken a drive shaft of diff they would have both carried on and had a beer on it in the bar after the race...
Andretti come from the outside
Can not believe you blame Mario. Hunt saw him try the outside move and ahold have known he would try it again. Cars have mirrors for a reason. Mario just better than Hunt.
"Cars have mirrors for a reason." Cars also have brakes and steering wheels for a reason too!
Hunt had one brief fortune aided moment of glory. He was a character for sure but only a good driver. Mario is one of the all time greats with a record to prove it.
they are both good but Hunt was slower because he was taller and weighed more. 5-10 kg of difference in F1 are very many.
@@somedrytoast2307 10kg is 2 tenth.
2 tenth was the Senna Prost difference in qualify, but Prost was smaller. Prost was more consistent throughout the race. f1banter.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/senna-vs-prost-statistics-show-you-would-rather-have-prost-in-your-car-if-you-were-a- f1-team-principal
the same thing can be said of Andretti, his weight lower than Hunt's allowed him to be more consistent in the race, in addition to weight, height also affects the aerodynamics.
tall and heavy pilots are less and less successful than small ones with the same reflexes, aggressiveness, experience, technological knowledge (Mansell the engineer pilot, the man of the new generation).
@@somedrytoast2307 mansell was a strange pilot, extremely knowledgeable on the technical side, courageous and very correct. however I remember that he was criticized by the Italian press for insufficient physical preparation. I remember the cartoons in the newspapers with him exhausted and senna making fun of him. was another era and drivers of different generations crossed, I think the first to prepare in a scientific way was Senna to beat Prost who was naturally physically better suited to drive F1 cars.
@Fabio Henrique : I advise you to go to the eye doctor.
Had Hunt let pass Andretti because Mario`s car was much faster he probably would have won this race: because Andretti`s engine blew up.
I am a huge fan of Mario but I have to say he was in the wrong here. Why get so aggressive so early in the race, be patient and wait for Hunt to make a mistake, better yet pressure him into making one,
2019??
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Ouch
Andretti tried some midget car tricks I see :P
Montjuich 1975, Zolder 1977, Zandvoort 1977 ... Andretti always too aggressive.
+Renato Camurça I think this is Hunt's fault though.. you can see it is clear that he didn't give Andretti enough room here as James went offline...
Renato Camurca: yeah, I guess that's why Andretti was nicknamed 'Hunt The Shunt.'
In fact Andretti was such an "aggressive" & wreckless driver that he practically won everything but Le Mans.
Blind Orbit Oh, yeah, as Watson would say about "Hunt" the same year at Zolder ... or Lauda would say about "Hunt" in Montjuich, 1975 etc etc lol lol.
James Tan If Andretti was less hasty, impulsive and if he had more self-control, such as Lauda, he would wait for the right moment to overtake Hunt.
+Renato Camurça: Hasty? How so? Andretti was in the superior car.
Furthermore he notified Hunt of his intentions at the Tarzan in the previous lap.
Andretti pulled it off against Ruetemann 3 years later, when Carlos was in the championship winning FW07... no problem with either driver.
Gilles pulled it off on Alan Jones the year before, in 1979.. no problem with either driver in this instance also.
To shift fault solely on Andretti is absurd. It was a racing accident, simple as that.
Not very nice from James
Hunt`s fault, clearly.
I'm American it's Marios fault
So your blind Mario has the right to some space and at least go for an overtake a driver as good as both of there calibers should no better than to driver right up into him this is why the rolls are so terrible in f1 today people like you who hate the prospect of an overtake and you see a driver totally squeeze another driver and go it was just the racing line
Andretti fault
andretti´s fault, Mario was a very dirty driver sometimes..
Loon. Get you eyes examined.