The complicated legacy of Spain's super-rich 'indianos' - BBC REEL
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- In the late 19th Century, hundreds of thousands of Spaniards left Spain for America. A few made an exceptional fortune and returned home; they are known as 'indianos'. Their new fortune helped to transform their country, and their lavish mansions are still a symbol of this today, however there is also a dark past behind how some gained their wealth, one that Spain is only now beginning to confront.
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In that time Cuba was a region of Spain, equal to Asturias or Galicia, and one of the most developed of the Spanish Monarchy.
That wasn't true until the very last years of Spanish presence in Cuba. And of course, during the 20th century it wasn't a part of Spain.
Creo que te olvidas de alguna que otra revolución y de un tal General Weyler...
@@luisbreva6122 Cuba siempre fue provincia española. La diferencia es que hacía el final de la dominación se le ofreció estatuto de autonomía.
@@luisbreva6122 That's right, until then It was firstly a part of EEUU and afterwards become a perennial dictatorship. Yeah, That's the outcome of becoming independent from the rest of Spain.
@@luisbreva6122 No it is true! It was a province of Spanish Empire, and enjoyed all the same rights and privileges as peninsular Spain.
My great grandmother's family went from Spain to the Americas hoping to make a better life for themselves, and left their smallest child (my great grandma) with a childless aunt who had married a Portuguese man that were reasonably well off. They ended up working as indentured servants, and most of the family died. The mother and a few of the daughters survived and managed to return, came to Portugal and worked in factories.
My great grandma was loved by her aunt and uncle, was given an education, but felt abandoned and was so overjoyed to be reunited when they returned, but her sisters had gone through so much grief they were not the same people anymore. They loved her, but couldn't relate to her at all.
You are fortunate to so deeply know your family story. Thank you for sharing :)
Indianos no es solo de la peninsula iberica. En Canarias, hubo muchisima gente que emigro a latinoamerica y regresó años después . En la isla de la Plama, se celebra la llegada de estos canarios emigrados en la fiesta de Los Indianos
Dicen que el acento caribeño (PR, RD y Cuba) se debe, en gran parte, a los canarios.
Se dice que tanbién que el patrimonio genético de sus islas caribeñas es en gran parte originario de Canarias, a pesar de la contribución consecuente africana o de otras partes del mundo
El catalufo que habla en el vídeo no sabe nada y da lecciones como el maestro Ciruela.
Well, Spain must be the only "colonial power" to make its colonies far richer than its own metropolis, up to the point that its own poorest had to emigrate to those territories. At that time, Cuba was a Spanish region of Spain, same as Andalucia or Catalonia. The "indianos" phenomenon has been massively exagerated in this video I know it because my great-grandparents were indianos themselves same as many other people of their own village.
They came back richer than they left, but not one of those "indianos" was as rich as to build those sort of mansions. What made the North of Spain richer than the south was industrialization which became true as a result of a mixture of factors: abundance of cheap work force, mining resources (coal, iron, tungsten, copper, etc) and above all, the national government's protectionism of those manufactures which translated into subsidies, high taxes on certain imports, prevention of the industrialization of other regions in Spain, etc. But all those policies had been already put into place in the late XVIII century and early XIX and it took almost a century for them to have a certain success.
My great-grandparent fought in the Anglo-Cuban war as a volunteer to, as he said, "prevent the protestants to take Cuba from us" which at that time was an integrant part of Spain.
The first Spanish railway was the line La Habana-Güines in 1837, in the Spanish Peninsula there wasn't any yet.
My great grandparent stayed in Cuba after the war and some of his brothers as well. He worked cutting sugar cane in the plantations and did other jobs not wanted by the locals, very often worked next to black people but never confronted a slave, as for the slaves was really easy to buy their own freedom. Slavery was far more common in huge plantations owned usually by Catalan burgeois who constantly pressed the national governement not to ban definitively slavery.
I must also say that even though British and others had oficially banned slavery, that doesn't mean that slaves ceased to exist. Actually, what they forbade was "the Atlantic slave trade". Millions of slaves and poor workers closer to slavery existed in the British, French and Dutch colonies of Africa and Asia.
One of my grandparent's brothers stayed in Cuba after the war, and after several decades both sides of the family lost contact ( at that time there wasn't internet or even telephone), it wasn't until 2010 that I received a phone call from Florida USA from a far cousin who had left the island during the Cuban revolution of 1959 with his parents.
¡Una historia muy interesante!
Fascinating.
Adventures like this are hard to come by nowadays... Just impossible.
Have you ever heard of Portugal?
The rags to riches story was a magnet for everyone to try their fortune in America. But as always, only the few made it. So it is the same with this story. A few came back and made a big difference to their places of origin and this is certainly still visible in the north of Spain. To remove names from places because these men had made their fortunes in the slave trade is a sign of the times. Will it erase the memory that it happened? I hope not.
Cuba was a very wealthy country in that era. The most advanced nation in Latin America. Not a fair distribution of wealth, true, but few countries had that in the 19th Century.
And yet Spain was the first European country to ban slavery.
Its interesting that it just wasnt Spain. Many Corsicans migrated to Puerto Rico many made fortunes went back to corsica and built mansions, hospitals, schools,many other things that modernized there country. Some did it honestly others did it wrongly. But they made it honestly and gave back to there communities that they left. Like all other nations have done bad or good. 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
Puerto Rican salsa legend Eddie Palmieri was a descendant of former Corsican 'indianos'.
@@RM360CR I lived in Spain but I never noticed any shame or resentment towards Romans, and can say the same for the rest of Europe. I now live in the US but I never hear anybody talking about revenge on the British who colonized them, same as in Australia or Canada. I currently live in Texas, a state that used to be Mexico and declared independence from the Mexicans in 1836 before joining the US... but cultural and commercial ties are so alive and strong between both countries (well, Texas is a US state that feels like a country of its own). Western Europe, The US, Canada, Australia are all developed nations with high living standards. Texas is currently the 9th economy in the world ...Bottomline: maybe it's time for us Latin Americans to realize nobody owe us anything anymore, what's in the past, good or bad, cannot be changed and happened so we can be here today and have a chance to make it better for future generations and become prosperous nations just like those that aren't stuck thinking of genocides or colonization.
Also, an interesting fact is that most Latin Americans that have migrated to Europe are not indigenous people (who for the most part tend to stay in their homelands) most are either mestizos or direct descendants of Europeans and in many cases they even hold European passports.
I'm just sharing this to bring a different perspective. Not trying to be annoying or start a fight here.
Aren’t corsicans of Latin origin??? They speak a Latin language if I remember correctly…
@@RM360CR you must be schizo
My grandfather emigrated from Asturias to Cuba when he was 12, only with a cardboard luggage. He worked his ass off , met my grandmother (from Galicia, also emigrated on her own ) made a fortune and came back to Spain in 1936 to invest their wealth in Galicia. Strong fellas they were…
1936: buen momento para volver a España...
@@javierburgos7 Galicia was quiet back then. He always said that. They werent commies, so all good for them
A lot of their descendants also emigrated again during the Franco regime, didn't they, leaving behind deserted villages? I've been to Cantabria and Asturias and seen some of these ghost villages.
Historical hustle, respect the grind bruv.
Made a fortune doing what? Lot's of people work their asses off.
Mis bisabuelos emigraron a Cuba y México desde Galicia y Cantabria, mis bisabuelas eran asturianas, empezaron realizando múltiples oficios, y acabaron convirtiéndose, uno en hacendado en Camagüey y el otro empresario de alimentación en Puebla. Hicieron una cuantiosa fortuna y sus hijos construyeron unas casas indianas espectaculares por la zona de Cudillero.
In Portugal we don’t call them INDIANOS. We also have these ostentatious and over size houses that we call “brazilian’s houses” or “torna-viagem/the ones that came back”
What about the "avecs", don't they build nice houses too?
@@tupisamba211 they do. Different style though.
@@tupisamba211 what are avecs?
@@Vonneumann747 a name that Portuguese people use for Portuguese-French people who are wealthier and come vacation in Portugal thinking they are better than regular Portuguese people.
In my mother's town there was an Indiano who, among other things, built what is now the secondary school, and dedicated himself for many years to paying with his money for the studies of the children of the town. As he was intelligent, and knew that his money was not going to last forever, he left in his will that, when money began to be scarce, the first to pay for studying were the boys. This was because the families were going to invest the little money they had in having their sons study first and not the girls, which is why many girls in that town had a minimum education, which in many other areas in At that time, they did not have
Everyone ignores the ethnic cleansing of indigenas people that took place in order for this indianos to prosper in stolen land every story has its dark side
Boys first because they would be the breadwinners
Isn't that nice. Blood money to educate the little girls & boys. If the blood doesn't run out.
@@MJ-hg1mk Most of the indianos made their wealth when slavery was already abolished. Don't be a fool.
@@MJ-hg1mk sugar and tobacco money
BBC y la leyenda negra
Reading the comments, i am gratefull as Turkish we have something common with the spanish... the anglo saxon hatred!
And also the wish by some to impose a colective guilt complex upon the population of a particular country with no other will but to economically exploit new generations of youngsters that have nothing to do with what happened like 2 centuries ago and should not pay at any cost for that. That´s also some kind of laboral and mental exploitation based on impossed guilt with no other goal but to live on the work of others. Also a kid of slavery to me.
You mean since Brexit, all momentum has gone out of joining the EU because you cant get a British passport. Lol.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 Europe's power and influence *TODAY* is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices, which the "new generations of youngsters that have nothing to do with what happened 2 centuries ago" benefit from every single day. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe. Literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be simply brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close buddy.
@@saintemile3086 Europe´s power and inflluence today exists because we are more inteligent, more hard working, with higher works ethic, with larger freedom of expession that allows innovation and ammelioration of the incumbent society and we live in the global North. From where i am native. Deal with that and don´t cry on me.
@@saintemile3086 If you have inferiority complex towards europeans, it´s not my fault and nothing I can or want to do to fix it. Go to a psychologist.
I am an Indiano descendent from Asturias. My great grand father made his money in Cuba and built a mansion named "El Palacion" (The big palace), the church that has his statue and a School. He went to Cuba with a lot of money and invested in retail stores (Ultramarinos) and created a fortune. I never ever heard about Indianos doing slavery and I know many families from Indianos in my County. Could be some at the beginning of the 19th century but I can assure you that it was a very small percentage because later I lived eight years in the Caribbean and I never heard that. Of course coming from England I assume that is part of the "Leyenda Negra". We just can't forget that the enemies of Spain they never mixed with the native poulations and very openly proclaimed the "The best Indian was the dead Indian" and nowadays you have all the native American reservations to prove it.
This is a BBC attemnt of sharing the responsability of Slave Trading to others, like Spain... But the MONOPOLY of Slave Trade was English, and Portuguese as well.
Curioso que hables de leyenda negra y cuba cuando fue en cuba y otros países más q los españoles exterminaron a los indigenas.. y no me vengas con el cuento de q se murieron todos por las enfermedades q eso eso es una mentira descarada
@@hassan9902 Por supuesto que hubo abusos pero la colonizacion Hispanica trajo el mestizaje y al cruzar las razas se crearon los Criollos, zambos y otras mezclas que todavia perduran. Mira a ver si la colonizacion Inglesa, Francesa o Holandesa hicieron lo mismo. Seguro que con esas colonizaciones no quedo ninguna poblacion nativa viva para contarlo.
@@louaceveu1925 en cuba, puerto rico y república dominicana los indígenas fueron exterminados y asesinados por los españoles mientras en india q fue 200 años colonia británica está llena de nativos
@@hassan9902 Yo vivi en Republica Dominicana y hay todavia mucha poblacion indigena y negra. Los Ingleses no podian aniquilar tan enorme poblacion en India pero si que les cortaron los pulgares a millones de mujeres para que no pudieran coser y competir con los telares de las ciudades Britanicas como Manchester. Ademas Gandhi inicio una revolucion pacifica a la que los Ingleses no supieron como responder.
You can see tens to hundreds of casas indianas if you do that Camino De Santiago northern route .. absolutely amazing. I’ve made a few videos on them as well as videos talking about the immigration between the Canary Islands and Cuba.
It wasn't just to Cuba, but do you have the link to the videos?
I'm a spanish basque and I was vaguely aware of indianos. Thanks for the short documentary, it's been super informative!
I live in Galicia and most of the families in my village emigrated, some to Cuba, some to Peru and many to Argentina . . . .
It reminded me of Patiño in Bolivia - great fortune made with tin - He set up aFoundation that still awards scholarships today to study abroad, set up the first children hospital in.Ciochabamba - the doctors were also trained by foreign doctors - The hospital still is operative today and the best place to take any child
A great friend of mine who's from Puerto Rico descends from Balearic Islanders, his great great uncle came from the Island of Mallorca, when he was a teenager with his two elder brothers,. (The eldest would go to Argentina) . He worked really hard and amassed a big fortune. When he returned to his village , he built an outstanding mansion, with palm trees all around , just like in Puerto Rico.
In 1939, around 15000 Balearics had arrived in the Caribbean, mostly in PR and Cuba. When the Spanish Civil War ended, most of them returned, to Mallorca for the most part.
Fascinating. Many thanks to all involved for your hard work on this piece.
Spain hasn’t confronted slave trade because it didn’t take a role on it systematically as a country... It was a thing of French, Portuguese, British and African systematically as a country. Look at the population of the countries where Spain ruled, even now days it is difficult to find black people. Compare Haiti 🇭🇹 and Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 for instance. Look at Brasil 🇧🇷 population... and the Spanish government had banned the slavery in the XVIII century (1766), but formally in 1837.
Portugal banned slavery in 1761 (on Portuguese soil) However, slavery within the African Portuguese colonies was only abolished in 1869. Shameful past unfortunately.
Currently it is difficult to evaluate the role of Spain in slavery. Compiled sources that I read 20 years ago on the internet have disappeared. There are still hints on the internet but, you have to compile the data to bring it into focus. THE BOTTOM LINE: Although Spain royal decree abolished slavery very early in world history, 1500's, colonists of "Spanish" descent ignored the decrees. In my humble opinion: the opposition to abolition of slavery led to the loss of the Spanish colonies. Spain was a world leader for abolition of slavery. It simply took a while to bring the rest of the world to agree. An example of what happened is the USA that did not abolish slavery until Lincoln in 1863, and was killed for it. Despite the Emancipation Proclamation slavery was re-instated by Jim Crow laws that perpetuated the culture of slavery. Quite possibly this culture of slavery in the USA continues to this day.
Wow that’s such nonsense idk where to start!
@@franciscoosuna259 Jim Crow didn't reinstate slavery....smh
You don't know what you're yapping about.
Now be quiet and slink back to your gutter
@@airhabairhab I am not asking you to write a thesis. Just a short response on one issue would be great. I am not a historian, I did engineering, but I read a lot. We are here to learn. Thanks
On the contrary, Brittons travelling all around the world at that time were not slavists nor some of them even pirates at all….
Eran lo peor de lo peor y en el fondo lo saben.
BBC talking about black Spanish legend . 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Me encanta como los británicos tienen que poner la puntilla negativa y recalcada a conciencia a todo lo que no es su historia
Y siempre hay historiadores españoles para darles argumentos.
Pero la misma semana una ministra inglesa avisa de que , por supuesto que no van a devolver los mármoles del Partenón, que son suyos porque los tienen hace muchos años.
@@albertovicioso226 Yo creo que es complejo de inferioridad .
Pero ellos si hacen mea culpa, a diferencia de ustedes
@@sofiadri2638 La inmensa mayoría de los españoles que emigraron a Cuba no tienen nada que ver con el comercio de esclavos, todas esas personas que emigraron cuando Cuba ya no pertenecía a España , cuando ya no existían esclavos , tienen más que ver con lo que décadas después fueron a Alemania, Suiza , Inglaterra o Francia y al volver se construyeron una casa , sé de lo que habló porque en mi calle hay varias , algunas de estas casas son mejores que las de algunos emigrantes que volvieron de Cuba y que construyeron casas más humildes .
It's funny how the west apologise for their colonialism and brutality towards the natives and africans, but you never hear about the arabs apologising for doing the same in northen africa for hundreds of years slaughtering and selling african slaves. Or the africans doing the same to other african tribes, or native americans slaughtering other native americans, or the fact that when spain invaded mexico, the vast majority of the force againts the aztecs were other natives not spaniards. Or the fact that the spaniards were actually colonised by the romans and the arabs, and the english by the romans, and the romans by the germans, and the germans by the romans. I got an idea, nobody is alive from colonisation so why should anybody apologise? Qué asqueroso este agenda de pólitico
“Asqueroso” seems to me to be an excessively strong term . I do not think that there is anything wrong with feeling some guilt by the way they treated colonized people ; nothing wrong with that , it is an indication that there is a conscience of right and wrong and that there is some emerging respect towards lesser developed peoples . Éso no tiene nada de asqueroso que adjetivo tan exageradamente fuerte .
See it as a strength and general trait of the collective west. Being able to pinpoint errors of the past, identify them and act so that they never happened. That's the case in history. But it's also the case regarding corruption, political systems, military organisation, economics, etc...
If we did not have this capacity to analyse our own acts critically, we would not be in a better political situation than the arabs or russians. And far more corrupt.
@@marcbuisson2463 If someone tries to make profit from me by trying to exploit some bogus guilt complex for these of that event of any past with the only purpose of making me work for them and giving them the money of my sweat, first i will assume that he is also an esclavist who would like to be a slave owner if he had the chance. And second i will send him to freir espárragos.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 I don't thinkbyou understand at all shat I was speaking about. Gastarbeiter are waves of italian, turkish, spanish and yugoslavian (a bit vietnamese too) who were welcome by the state and the companies to come, work and later settle locally. It was very common at the time in France, Belgium or the Netherlands. The german word stayed. With the opening of the EU, and free roaming around the Union, the word came back. The german word stayed because they had the most people.
It's not due to guils or anything like that. It's because we need those skills they have, we pay big bucks to them, and they manage to work here to improve both their and sometimes their countrie's situation.
Of course, the whole EU thing is in another mentality than the US and the Americas. There is a political will to make eastern europeans as rich as us for obvious reasons that is not in the Americas, as well as a faaar different relatio.ship between people and work. We have more leisure time, and in practive can far more easily put some money on the side than usonians. Once you have a job, there are little to none financial surprises that can come and take away your money.
@@marcbuisson2463 You telling me so as if i wasn 't aware of such thing or as if my country were Ecuador or Perú 🤣
Everything was relatively okay until the final message about Spain hasn't confronted its own slavery past. So that is the purpose of this video, trying to create a shared guilty feeling about slavery, as if the past of the Spanish Empire was the same as the protestant side. Nice try, but everyone who likes history knows which is the truth.
The porpoise, huh? 🐬
@@minskdhaka thanks
No importa que haya sido peor en otros lados, lo correcto es admitir que estuvo mal
@@sofiadri2638 claro. Yo soy el primero que rechaza esos esclavistas, muchos de ellos grandes burgueses catalanes. De hecho, hasta se ha dicho que el papel que tuvieron estos esclavistas en Cuba fue uno de los factores que impulsó el proceso de independencia allí. Por otra parte, sería de ingenuos no pensar que hay una intencionalidad en este vídeo. No son tan insistentes con lo que hizo Churchill en Bengala, o las grandes hambrunas provocas por el Imperio Británico en la India. Por desgracia poco hay de casual en este tipo de vídeos.
@@bertokokkok3921 si, entiendo lo que decís
My grandmother's grandfather immigrated to Santo Domingo/ Dominican Republic at the end of the 1800s, he was from Asturias if I’m not mistaken. His last name, Fanjul but later changed to Franjul. ¡Viva España! ¡Viva la madre patria!
Que asco
Soy de Santo Domingo, los Franjul tengo entendido se asentaron en el pueblo de dónde es mi familia materna, una familia emprendedora y muy instruida. Uno de sus miembros fue director del periódico más importante del país hasta hace poco; hay otra familia, los Fanjul, cubanos, son dueños de importantes empresas azucareras y hoteleras en el este, pero no están muy arraigados en el país, creo que viven en Florida, pero tienen inversiones en el país desde los años 60
@@jesusdavis2941 Así es. Ese señor aún es director de ese periódico. Primo hermano de mi madre, hijo de un hermano de mi abuela, ambos que en paz descansen.
@@jesusdavis2941 mi tío, hermano de mi madre, publicó un libro en 1990 sobre el origen del apellido en RD y su descendencia. Conservo un ejemplar en casa.
Vende patria
Fascinating. I was always under the impression that northern Spain became more economically prosperous than southern Spain in the late 19th and early 20th centuries because of geographical proximity to France and England, two huge industrial powers. That French and British investors were the ones to first invest in the region, seeing the cheap labor of northern Spain and transferring some factory work there. But it appears that the investment capital required to lift northern Spain to its present prosperity came from these indianos who had ventured to Cuba and Mexico. It's also odd to hear that Havana and Mexico City had higher standards of living than Spain in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. How things have changed--now Cubans clamor to emigrate to Spain for a better life (most Mexican immigrants end up going to the far closer United States).
The Castro brothers fucked Cuba
Yeah, proximity to France and (definitely not) England did nothing to northern Spain.
Cubans clamor to emigrate to Spain because of economic sanctions imposed by the USA
Why are you trying to make it seem like the Spanish are some low IQ savages that only have what they have because of outside sources ? F*ck you
@@alanalabella88 Yeah, typical WASP black-legend stuff
Viva España 🇨🇺🇪🇸
Nadie habla del genocidio etnico de indigenas y pillage de tierras que tuvo que suceder para que estos indianos prosperen
It's sad you feel the need to fly a Spanish flag next to a Cuban flag and not see the irony.
@@Alaskan-Armadillo Cuba was created by the Spanish before them there was nothing there but jungle and many Cubans are proudly of Spanish descent.
@@alanalabella88 ..Columbus diditn discover crap you can not discover a continent that was already inhabited by many civilizations Cuba was not the exception it was inhabited by Caribes, Cohibas and Tahinos hence the famous cuban cigars cohiba all those natives were betrayed and exterminates by Spaniards y bueno la leyenda rosa que tratan de vender los españoles para justificar su genocidio fue el cuento de el canibalismo
@@alanalabella88 Cuba just like the rest of Latin America has a long Pre-Columbian history and culture. It is very similar with parts of Europe where there are groups of people that don't identify with their 'home countries' and refer to their pre-roman ancestors instead.
My grandmother tells me stories about when her brothers went to Cuba in the 20’s and whenever they came back they would dress large white hats. They made lot of money. Galicia tales
If you see what the North Africans did to Spain and Portugal it makes sense why the Europeans came back with so much revenge agains the North Africans
Spain and Portugal have a moral right to repair the harm done. I am a descendant of Spanish, Basque, and Mexican, and Irish people. We must acknowledge and remember our history to heal and move forward.
I am not surprised to see the British Media trying to create a bad view about Spain's past and history...
La Pérfida haciendo de las suyas, como siempre. No se puede bajar la guardia
This is Spain’s history. Deal with it.
@@lh2738 Mezclan al marqués de Comillas , que realmente no era el clásico " indiano" y ya manchan a todos los demás, no tienen nada que ver con el comercio de esclavos porque era algo que ya ni existía ; me dan pena los descendientes de los indianos que explican todo perfectamente y con la mejor intención pero el último historiador mete al marqués y ya todo queda tergiversado .
@@zico739 The English aren't in a position to lecture us on anything, historically speaking. Look at what they did in their colonies all over the world.
@@lh2738 Informing is not lecturing. Boy, are you thin-skinned
Professor Martin Rodrigo is wrong to say that the word "indianos" only exists in the Iberian Peninsula. In the Canary Islands that term was also used and it is deeply rooted in our culture. In fact, there is a lot of documentation in this regard, which I invite this professor to travel to the islands of La Palma where there is even a party called the Indianos that celebrate their return arrival. This term is also used on the island of Gran Canaria and also on the island of Tenerife. there are many Canarian emigrants living in Cuba and Venezuela where they prospered and many returned with a lot of money and also made their mansions on their respective islands. Investigate much more, Mr. Martín Rodrigo, that Spain is very varied and in those years of famine everyone had to leave Spain for the Indies...
Obviamente se refiere a que la palabra indiano con este sentido solo existe en español y portugués (más gallego, asturiano y catalán), y que no existe en otros idiomas romances o germánicos. Aunque Canarias está donde está, allí se habla una lengua Ibero-romance, porque así se clasifica lingüísticamente al español. Que obviamente podía haberlo expresado de otra forma para no inducir a un error geográfico, pero asumir que su uso del término “peninsular” es ignorancia es muy atrevido, especialmente cuando su libro “Cuba, de Colonia a República” (Editorial Biblioteca Nueva, S. L , Madrid, 2006) obviamente incluye muchas referencias a la emigración Canaria a Cuba y es un estudio mucho más extenso que 5 frases en un vídeo de CZcams.
Quiso decir España y Portugal.
Since when were the Canaries no longer Spanish?
@@MuzzaHukkaThe Canary Islands still belongs to Spain since 1402. Of course!
Good accurate translation. Very informative.
Except the phrase referring to slavery “funcionaba” translated to function in English when instead it refers to “worked/works” the implication is slightly different.
I don't think it is so accurate. In English people have the habit of saying "America" to mean "the United States of America". In this case, when people say "América", they mean what in English would be referred to as "the Americas". "America" was used to refer to both "the United States of America" and the entire American landmass until the 1950s, when the USA unilaterally decided to divide the landmass into two separate continents. In Spanish the change didn't happen, and North America and South America are not considered to be two different continents but subcontinents of a single continent called "América".
I find it problematic that people in English use the word "America" to refer to a single country, though. Especially as English is considered to be a "world language" through which people of different cultures and areas of the world can interact. This use of "America" can cause confusion. For example, Central America is not the central part of a country called America. The same way, everyone in the Americas is also American, and English dictionaries record this meaning as well.
I think that the use of "America" to refer to a country, ultimately derives from an imperialistic view that has stuck in the language to this day. "Americans" (from the US) were already referred to as such during the times of British America. Naming an area of a continent after the continent itself to mean "this is the part of this continent that matters to me" was one of the different ways Europeans used to name a conquered land on a different continent. Another example is South Africa, and let's remember those settlers called themselves Afrikaners and called their language Afrikaans, meaning that the language that sounds the most similar to the word "Africa" is actually way closer to an European language (Dutch) than to anything else. The same way "American" in English refers by default to a white person from the US (everyone else "needs" a prefix, e.g. Asian American) who doesn't have his actual origin in the American landmass, unlike the ones they call "Indians" who were there for thousands of years before the arrival of the Europeans. It's a bit of a mess from my perspective.
When naming the United States of America, the word "America" was already part of their identity and was therefore kept. They couldn't have named the country "United States of British America", because that'd have made no sense, they had to drop "British". In this usage, because the country was obviously named before the 1950s, "America" refers to the entire landmass, and not to North America exclusively. The same way it is being used by people in this video.
@@MsBimbobear in English "America" is the whole of North, Central and South America
Except when she says "they're also ignorant about Cuba" referring to the 'star of Cuba' that doesn't exist, is translated as "they miss Cuba"
@@tkautzor Sure, and the slogan "Make America Great Again" means "Make North, Central and South America great again".
This was interesting. Thank you.
Well done guys, feeding the Leyenda Negra in an Anglo Saxon channel.
It is simply the truth. Europeans don't want to face the negative sides of their past.
@@Pou1gie1 Face?. What for?. For events in which the current generations are not responsible for?.
@@FranciscoCamino That doesn't change the past. The fact is Europe's power and influence TODAY is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe. Literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close.
@@saintemile3086 Tons of gold moved from one part of the empire to other. As today when materials are taken to different parts of the country according to their needs. In the case of South America is less than 20% and the 80% remained to build the new lands. Incans, Azteks, Mayans slaughtered and looted their neighbours. Have Perú, Mexico or Guatemala regreted what they did?.
Colonization is bad but it’s the result of power and greed. And throughout history it has remained the same. The strong milks the weak. And it hasn’t been just Europe. Perhaps closer to our own history. And perhaps all those asking for excuses are the descenters of the ones who commited the atrocities.
@@Pou1gie1 because other nations do ? You see the Turks lamenting about the fact they stole greek lands and slaughtered armenian populations?
You see the arabs feeling sorry for their attempts at colonizing Europe through their invasion of Hispania or the slave trade they kept till the 20th century ?
Why should Europeans feel sorry for what their ancestors did then ?
Title has no sense. Is hundreds of thousands of very poor people migrating to earn a life, usually starting in the worse jobs and conditions. From them luckily we just know a few cases like Güell and Lopez in Barcelona that ended up trading humans.
Totalmente de acuerdo , son historias como la de los fundadores de _El Corte Inglés_ o _Galerías Preciados_ , que empezaban de aprendices en tiendas , incluso dormían tras el mostrador , en esa época lógicamente ni había esclavos , ni comercio de esclavos , ni nada parecido , esas casas de indianos que aparecen ahí , muchas en Asturias , también en Galicia pertenecen a esa época .
It’s a sensasionalist title in British Media
No me puedo creer q la BBC todavía quiera dejar mal a España 😅
No es que la BBC quiera dejar mal a España. España tiene un pasado que, aunque glorioso, tiene capítulos vergonzosos (la conquista de México, la conquista de Perú, la esclavitud, etc.). Como dice el documental, otros países europeos sí han hecho un examen de conciencia de lo que hicieron en América, Asia o África. España no
@@CondorFlyingHigh hola! Qué países?
¿Qué vas a esperar de ellos?
It is simply the truth. Did you see the end? Spain and Portugal want to hide their slave-owning and -trading past.
Siempre; pero lo hacen de forma tan torpe, que se los ve venir a kilómetros 😂
Los "colonizadores" ese es el termino realmente. Y muy cierto no todo fué malo.
Muchas excelentes industrias de calidad fueron creados. Lástima que mucho de ese conocimiento se ha perdido.
Tristemente en la actualidad esos "negreros" aún existen. Y esa discrminación es la que aún vemos en las islas del Caribe. Y todo para construir castillos inserbibles que con el tiempo se dan en remate.
"Emigrantes" es un término mas adecuado a la descripción.
Pero por allá, los llamáis "gallegos" (Argentina, Uruguay...) porque muchos vinieron de Galicia.
Los "colonizadores" llegaron varios siglos antes.
Same on Corse Island ….. check the villas there…..
No way
Well, they did leave something behind. I am descended from Aramburos, Sambolas and Arnauds. I have DNA matches from Spain/France to Puerto Rico to Mexico to Argentina! I have no idea who my direct male ancestor is.
For reasons I can't begin to understand BBC has decided to focus on the slavery subject, which is actually a very residual aspect of the "indiano" phenomenon. First of all, most of the Spanish emigrants who left their country for the Americas didn't really make a big fortune and eventually returned to Spain with very little money or stayed in the Americas living a pretty humble life. Only a very small proportion of the migrators (around 5-10%) actually managed to succeed and became wealthy enough to return to Spain as actual "indianos". Most of them made their fortunes in industrial enterprises, retail and distribution: the slavery trade was really an exception but, surprisingly, it becomes the centerfold of this otherwise interesting documentary. However I miss a more detailed insight of the migrants' struggle in the Americas or more examples of the excellent architecture they built along the coasts of Northern Spain.
Totally agree .
Thanks for the insight. Unfortunately, 21st century "journalism" is nothing but oppression-forward reporting. If we don't adopt this lens for every tiny aspect of our lives then we're the problem...
Because they hate europeans
Instead of converting to Anglicanism they try to convert Spaniards into Wokeism.
The focus on slavery is kinda suspicious coming from the BBC (black legend I guess). Of course there was slavery but in such low terms in comparation to what british, french imperialism did.
La esclavitud aún era legal en Cuba, no así en España. De ahí que pudieron sacar provecho de eso. Pero hay más países con esclavitud tardía, como Brasil 1880s y hasta Colombia 1860s.
Not that long ago, I watched a video telling the story of Corsican men who did the same as the Spaniards who sought fortune in the Americas and then returned home. They too were given a nickname by the locals. Their villas still stand, some inherited by their descendants.
This happened to Italians too I wonder if they have a term for those people.
Yes, Ndrangheta🤣🤣. Many went to Australia around the same times and still reside there (Griffith NSW and it's region, and also Melbourne, beeing the headquarters of overseas Calabrian self made millionaires and investors)
The Italians went to South America. Especially to Argentina. Uruguay and Brazil. When the second world war started i guess.
@@Francisco_Olmedo yep, some came here after WW2, although the vast majority came here before, during the second half of the nineteenth century
What a felicitous subject you chose because it is so , so , unknown ,to almost everyone in the world except the Spaniards themselves , and who knows , maybe even they do not know much about it : only those areas of Spain directly affected by this historical episode . I am Colombian .
En el norte de españa se sabe bien. Es obvio cuando ves un palacio en un pueblo de casitas que la fortuna que tuvo que financiar eso no se creo alli.
Most part of this emigration was after 1880. And in that moment there was not slavery in Spain. Cuba and other countries stills being spanish provinces but, in fact, there was not spanish imperium anymore. Most of spanish went to America because they were extremely poor people. And many of them just never returned. Those who come back being rich were just a few of them. And they caused a great impact in places so little as Asturias (my land) that was not industrialized at all. Some of my relatives and ancestors were emigrants. Part of them still living in Argentina and Cuba, their kids and grandchildren are from these countries and they are not rich in any way. Some of them returned decades ago, and yes, they were "rich" in comparison to those who never emigrated. Not as rich to build one of these houses of indianos (wich I totally love) but richer than before, sure. In America they worked as taylors. Later they owned a shop, they were lucky but also hard workers. Bonus track: some of them married cuban people who were rich. Were they rich because of slavery? I have no idea. But anyway slavery was a cuban thing then and not a spanish one. Not anymore. Slavery was forbidden in Spain three decades ago. It took a long time doing the same in Cuba, and there were catalonian land owners who showed their opposition to abolition.
On the other hand, we can also talk about those who never become rich just because they died. That happened to my greatparent's dad. He emigrated to America in order to earn some money for his family. He received a letter informing him that his wife was so ill. And he died on the way back home, because the boat sunk. Later, his wife also died, so the kids were to an orphanage.
Not all the stories were successful, not all had happy ending. Not all the successful indianos had to do with slavery.
But yes, of course, let british talk about spaniards dark legend. Again 🙄😅
In the United States we have mansions like these fanciful indiano mansions--built by self-made millionaires who amassed fortunes in all sorts of industries. Except they're way bigger because, well, American industrialists and entrepreneurs of the 19th century were the richest in the world. You can find these enormous mansions (practically palaces in some cases) concentrated in places like Newport, Rhode Island and the Hudson Valley in New York state.
also Americans are obsessed with making things big
@@eduardosanmiguel8132 the difference between these people in America and in Cuba the Americans didn't actually own anyone ....
@@davet.5493 I think we’re forgetting how the working conditions were during those years
@@davet.5493 Slavery was only legally abolished in America in 1865 and it probably persisted a few more years in swathes of the south because laws take time to have actual real effects. Cuba was a part of Spain until 1898, then during the next 2/3 years all Spanish businessmen cashed out and money flew back to Spain leading to a hike in investment and, thus, the end of slave ownership by Spaniards. The Spanish entrepreneur and slave trader mentioned in the video, the Marquess of Comillas, was in his 40s during the American civil war. So, no, he probably had a few business meetings with American slave owners during his time in Cuba.
@@davet.5493 Yeah you just erased all the native americans from north america xd
La BBC como siempre: echando mierda sobre España. ¡Qué pereza!
pereza tu. La bbc habla lo mismo sobre el colonialismo ingles o de cualquier otro pais europeo.
@@Alberto-xz7th también odian a los ingleses cierto
@@ferbsol2334 No. Lo que tienen es una vision muy negativa del colonialismo. Se estan disculpando cada dos por tres
@@Alberto-xz7th ¿ Qué colonialismo ? Sí la mayoría de las imágenes que se muestran pertenecen a los primeros años del siglo XX ¿ No distingues la ropa , un automóvil ? Cuba ya no pertenecía a España , no había esclavitud , en la descripción del vídeo habla del siglo XIX exclusivamente y después saca un montón de fotos del siglo XX , no es actuar honestamente , hay que quitarse ya complejos , si es la BBC es excelente , poseen la verdad absoluta , no es así, ni con este tema ni con otros , muchas de esas casas fueron construidas por gente que emigró a Cuba a principios del siglo XX , a una minoría le fue bien , construyeron esas casas o no , dependiendo de su gusto ,trabajaron duro , tuvieron un golpe de suerte , con la Revolución perdieron casi todo, prefirieron irse , así que poco pudieron salvar, los bienes que tenían norteamericanos en Cuba fueron limpiamente conseguidos ¿ Los bienes españoles , no ? Cines , ferreterías , tintorerías,tiendas... Hay que dejar de aceptar de forma acrítica todo lo que venga de EEUU , Reino Unido , hay que dejar de ser unos acomplejados .
@@evarubio9904 no he dicho ni que este bien o mal o que la bbc sea fiable o no asi qhe no se aqui viene este comentario. Solo digo que los españoles en internet a menudo son muy cansinos con sus semiconspiraciones de wue los ingleses dedicab su vida a difamar españa. La bbc es muy critica con el colonialismo poscolonialismo y todo lo asociado a ello, no es que les tebgan mania a españa por ningun motivo
El profesor Martin Rodrigo se equivoca al decir que sólo existe la palabra "indianos" en la península ibérica. En Canarias se usó también ese termino y está muy arraigado en nuestra cultura. De hecho hay mucha documentación al respecto la cual invito a este profesor a viajar a las islas de La Palma donde existe incluso una fiesta que se llama los indianos que festejan la llegada de los mismo de regreso. En la isla de Gran Canaria también se utiliza este termino y también en la isla de Tenerife. existen muchos emigrantes Canarios viviendo en Cuba y Venezuela en donde prosperaron y muchos regresaron con mucho dinero y también hicieron sus mansiones en sus respectivas islas. Investigue mucho más don Martín Rodrigo que España es muy variada y en aquellos años de hambruna todos tuvieron que salir de España hacia las Indias....
Martín no dijo que la palabra indiano solo existe en la península ibérica, sino solo existe en las LENGUAS ibéricas. Una de esas lenguas es el español o castellano, que es la lengua de Canarias también, por lo que queda incluida. Lo dijo de esa forma para acentuar que no existe dicho término en lenguas como el inglés o el francés, pero si en las lenguas ibéricas.
@@emarte Si escuchas bien en el minuto 0:44 verás que dice textualmente " La palabra indiano y otras palabras parecidas solo existe en las lenguas peninsulares, en la península Ibérica" suficiente para entender que esas son lenguas autónomas o incluso el castellano que se habla en la península Ibérica. Y no te digo más cuando el profesor Miguel A. Aramburu en el minuto 0:58 dice textualmente "Estos indianos vivían en las montañas en su mayoría gente muy pobre..." Nunca y digo bien nunca mencionan a las islas Canarias en ningún momento. Cuando precisamente fuimos los que más emigramos y de hecho tanto en Cuba como en Venezuela tenemos el acento muy parecido e incluso compartimos muchas palabras comunes que todavía actualmente se siguen utilizando en estos países. Solo como un apunte, tanto en Venezuela como en cuba decir que eres isleño se refiere a que eres original de Las Islas Canarias. En fin este vídeo está muy mal documentado o solo documentado en un lugar donde ha intersado. Te puedo decir que también los Canarios fueron los que fundaron San Antonio de Tejas en Texas USA y fueron los que lucharon en el célebre fuerte del El Álamo de hecho la primera iglesia de EEUU fue la iglesia de San Antonio de tejas fundada por Canarios. Hoy en día existe la Casa de Canarias en Venezuela, en Cuba y por supuesto en San Antonio de Texas y también en New Orleans - Luisiana. Esto puedes investigar en internet donde encontrarás innumerables datos sobre el tema.
@@gabrielestupinan hermano habla del origen de la palabra, no del individuo indiano en sí. El castellano/español es una lengua que nació en la península ibérica, por eso hace esa referencia. No es que excluye a los Canarios. Todos sabemos que que los Canarios fueron el grupo de españoles que más emigraron a Venezuela, Cuba y Puerto Rico, especialmente en épocas más recientes. Gran parte de ellos regresaron a Canarias con buen dinero y de los que se quedaron, algunos conservan la nacionalidad española. Soy dominicano, y aunque en proporción tengo menos acercamiento con las Islas Canarias, te aseguro no son uno ni dos los Canarios en mi ascendencia. El video se desarrolla mayormente en el norte de España y lo hace una red británica de noticias. Te aseguro que si abundan en el tema, tocarían el tema de las Islas Canarias indudablemente.
@@gabrielestupinan estoy informado y al día en cuanto a la extensión y la gran historia de la esfera hispana. Hay un historiador/profesor español viviendo en Texas enfocado en la difusión y conocimiento del asentamiento de Canarios allí y de la historia hispana de la zona. Como olvidar la Luisiana Española, donde hasta hubieron dominico hispanos que pelearon bajo el mando de Bernardo de Gálvez.
@@emarte Conozco a este profesor del que hablas porque precisamente estuve en el año 2004 en Texas y en el día de Canarias que se celebra en la ciudad de San Antonio, gracias al Dr. Chiscano que siempre fue quien había promovido toda la historia y la relación de los Canarios con USA (Desgraciadamente ya falleció). No te preocupes que aunque siempre tratan de ocultar a los Canarios en la historia de forma directa no estoy enfadado contigo, ni con este canal, solo trato de revindicar lo que es histórico e intentar dentro de mis posibilidades que son pocas la difusión de la historia real. Estoy acostumbrado a ver como se nos trata y como se nos desprecia en algunos medios, pero seguiré insistiendo Erick, no me queda la menor duda. Saludos desde Gran Canaria.
In Catalonia there's a route of Indianos....villages like Sant Pol de Mar or Sitges and so on.
its the same for Italians and Argentina or USA … its the need for Europeans of poorer background to SURVIVE in an Europe ravaged by Napoleonic wars, independence wars, the Austrian vs Prussian, the German vs France… Europe only had peace in the 30 odd years between 1880 and 1912…
These mansions remind me of the houses built by Mexicans who migrate to the US to make a living and then go back and build their houses in rural Mexico from the money they saved up in the US. Interesting to see how in both cases the effect on the local areas is similar, likewise not all of these people are involved in an insidious industry, in this case being drug trafficking instead of slavery, but some definitely are.
yes, drug barrons
well, some are involved in human trafiquing as well
Most people who emigrated from Mexico to the U.S. and return to Mexico to build homes have by far been mostly average workers who toil away in the U.S. working average jobs and saved their money. The drug and human trafficking conversation has been a completely different topic that has not been related to this at all in the past.
I know because my aunt did this. She emigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s, worked in factories for nearly 2 decades, living with my parents rent free, or paying very little. She then returned to central Mexico with my grandmother in the 1990s to build her new house across the alley from her sisters house. It was nice and modern, with a few Mexican aesthetic touches (brick ranch), but relatively modest. The lot was huge, but it was only a one story home 3 bed, 1 bath, a family room, and detached garage. Also had front garden with pomegranate trees and daisies and indoor open air garden as many Mexican homes have and a working agricultural field/farm on one side. Despite it being average, it was very comfortable, had every modern amenity (satellite dish, washing machine, kitchen appliances, etc.), was neat and clean, and importantly felt like a home. It was in a rural area so it had a lot of open grass prairie behind the house. A lot of nature.
My dad wanted to do the same once he retired with property he owns in Mexico, and he worked mostly as a truck driver here in the U.S.
There have been a few average Mexicans who've built great wealth here in the U.S. (become millionaires--example of Tomato King Andres Bermudez from Zacatecas; or millionaire real estate property owners in California) and returned to Mexico to build mansions in their hometowns, but unlike the Spaniards, they tend to be the exception not the rule. And they usually go back to retire or build second/vacation homes not build up local institutions.
Most Mexicans who return to Mexico and build houses have been regular working class residents who saved their money over time rather than built capitalistic empires (although as said there are major exceptions).
Same here in Europe. The balkans, as well as Romania are getting dotted by modern villas, built by Gastarbeiter and other migrant workers. That said, it is not linked to criminality at all (and you probably over-estimate the impact of it in the US, as well as overestimate the cost of building such a house, in a country where labor is a tenth of what it is in the US). Much more linked to good old dumb economic reasons We have jobs, good paying ones for them in the West. And it is becoming more and more the case for these workers to later come back once they are old, or maybe even get some kids. A lot of these big, modern houses are also built by the Gastarbeiter themselves. We have holidays, so they come back a month or two to the natuve village, with the whole family. I have a few friends whose parents are in this situation. I guess Poland used to be like that, but now, they are getting more opportunities and higher standards of life in Poland than in the UK or France, so they have stopped working far away.
@@danmur2797 the spanish are also the exception not the rule. most made very little money and just returned to the life they lived or stayed in cuba, fidel castro for example is descendant of galicians.
The "indianos" did what the Englishmen, Frenchmen from the 18th. and 19th. centuries did all the time. No reason to feel guilty. It's the European mentality of the time.
The French, just like the Spanish, also built fortunes in Mexico. There are some towns in southern France that were built or sustained primarily from returning affluent French-Mexican capitalists.
I know you reference the French in Canada and the U.S. largely in the 18th century, but in Mexico this happened in the 19th and into the early 20th century (and today in Mexico, as a result, French genetic ancestry is the 2nd most common European ancestry after Spanish). The French were already immigrating to Mexico even as it was still a colonial Spanish viceroyalty prior to independence and influenced Mexican food/gastronomy, music, and dress.
You should feel guilty. Europe's power and influence *today* is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices, which the new generations of europeans benefit from to this very day. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe. Literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close buddy.
@@saintemile3086 Africa, India and South America ? Silk ? 😌 Se te acaba de ver el plumero.
@@evarubio9904 Silk from India and gold and diamonds from Africa and South America
@@saintemile3086 And China ?
Good insight and I’ll have to read these comments. Definitely seem to stir up the pot
Confront the past in the past not in the present... It is not justice, it is seeking revenge...
Revenge? That's taking it to another extreme. LOL. All we want is the WHOLE history to be told, not just bits and pieces that make people feel warm and fuzzy. Because cherry-picking information to make you feel happy is called propaganda, not true history. I'm just glad that Barcelona took down the statue of the slave-trader and renamed the plaza that carried his name.
What about correcting a historical wrongdoing? Sometimes it's not too late to correct course.
What if they didn't have the means to confront the past?
@@Luboman411 Aquí no se cuenta toda la historia , se hace un penoso trabajo mezclando décadas distintas , siglos distintos , hablan del comercio de esclavos y ponen imágenes de principios del siglo XX ¡Qué desastre !🤦
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@@laique8797 I wasn't talking about this in particular, just in general. certain historical wrongs can't be corrected in that same time frame for several reasons.
woke
it's the same in England. Those palatial mansions speaks for itself. Cuba was a preferred destination for many, and whilst you have had to be entrepreneurial and hard working, many also settled and lived there rather than come back. Once the war with the US was over, decoupling and selling off its holding, banks and companies in Cuba, also meant that a large bulk of that wealth transfer was invested back into their homeland provinces, hence Bilbao, Madrid and Santander's fortunes. Those that did not emigrate to Cuba, sailed to Colombia, Argentina, Chile and Mexico.
My grandgrand father emigrated to Filipinas. And my family stills in Filipinas. Sugar and tobacco landlords
Roxas/Zobel?
Los más grandes negreros fueron los reinos africanos y los árabes. Que no se olvide!
Nice houses, but Aaarg..not about super rich Indians, as I wrongly thought. Indianos ,red indians, west indies, America itself was found due to looking for alternative route to India. a few centuries back , all roads led to India 😃 Nowadays, In my state in kerala, lot of people who went to the oilrich Gulf region build such houses, too
y las fiestas de la palma?
one should not apply the morals of today to the past. different people, different times.
The British medial for ever bad report and the stranger form of past to history of Spain. The British old negreros of history
I see literally no problem here. Arriba España
For obvious reasons no such problem in the town of Chillingbourne.
Mis bisabuelos fueron de Asturias a México cuando eran niños
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How did they get their wealth back to Spain?
Muchos hijos de indianos nacieron en los países a los que fueron, en México por ejemplo miles de republicanos españoles de clase alta aprovecharon la nacionalidad mexicana que tenían para poder exiliarse fácilmente, sobre todo catalanes.
Generational wealth always has a dark past
There is no dark pass here so stfu
Not always. In fact, almost never. Most people went there, made money improving the places they went to and then return to their homeland when they retired with enough money to live more comfortably back at home.
I find it really strange how Europeans condemn slavery but never acknowledge colonialism that they did in the past
If you want to judge the history by modern standard why don’t you condemn colonialism as well?
Great grandfather was very wealthy from Spain and owned land in Puerto Rico in the city today called Fajardo. The Americans invaded and we lost the entire property of what today is a town. He left to Spain and my grandfather became impoverished
8:42. A part...
Even Mother Spain is succumbing to this woke Communist-socialist cultural cancel culture revolution, slavery is bad but it doesn't mean erasing the past and removing statues and renaming plazas, this is just petty; my ancestors came from the Basque region and many of his fellows settled here in the Philippines, too bad not a lot of them made the same fortunes as those in the Americas and returned home as Indianos; a similar thing occurred in China where men from Fujian left for South East Asia, then under the Europeans and made fortunes and some intermarried with the Spanish women, they would build mansions in places like Gulangyu island, colonial style palaces partially built with materials from the colonies as a testament to their fortunes, they pretty much started the whole China Deco style of architecture and are similar in looks and feel as the ones in Northern Spain although the difference is that they never took part in the slave trade that was almost none existent in the Asian colonies, they made fortunes in agriculture, fisheries, trading, logging and finance. If the Indianos planted palms as a reminder of Cuba then the Fujian Chinese used Classical columns and stone arches as a reminder of the colonies like Spanish Philippines, British Malaya, Dutch East Indies and French Indo-China.
Wow, someone can’t handle basic historical truth.
Most of those "indianos" weren't slave owners or traders. A massive majority were honest common people and just a minority became as rich as to build a mansion or a hospital. My great grandparent made enough money after years of working hard to buy a house and more lands to keep on being the peasant he was before going to Cuba, but he gained a better life for his children.
@@zico739 Historical truth is what the BBC says? or what any neurotic woke says? Do you own the truth? Are you aware that you can use historical truths and twist them until you project an image that is convenient for your ideological agenda?
@@jonayz8655 No se puede decir mejor , incluso algunos ni construían ese tipo de casas tan ostentosas.
Europe's power and influence today is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices, which the new generations of europeans benefit from to this very day. Now you want to pretend like this didn't happen, like it's "in the past" but yet you refuse to give back the endless amount of resources that your people stole (many of which are STILL in YOUR museums). The Crown of England is still incrusted with giant stolen african diamonds. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe, literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close buddy.
We agree. We must face our past.
I remember Galvano Fiamma
My grandsmothers uncle Jose Menendez Vina he was wealthy in cuba his brother Jesus was my granmothers father she was born in cuba 1918 her name carmen menendez
Slavery still exists in Africa and the Middle East. These regions practice and condone slavery. The world looks the other way. Only in Europe do we apologise for our history.
Yes and the Middle Easterns were the actual ones who started the slave trade to the west.
There are more enslaved people world-wide right now than in all the centuries of the transatlantic slave trade put together. This needs to be addressed urgently but we wring our hands about the past and wallow in virtue-signalling like removing statues and renaming streets. Meanwhile, what about the actual slavery going on now?
Nothing wrong with apologising, though.
@@ninamartin1084 you are so right. But it’s not acceptable to say such a thing
@@ChiniWanders exactly
Me cuesta creer que toda esa riqueza no tuvo que ver con la esclavitud
Si por supuesto creer lo malo es más fácil que creer lo bueno. ¿Qué te parecería si te digo que me cuesta creer que tú te ganes la vida hnonradamente y que todo lo que tú tienes no lo hayas ganado robando o traficando?¿Te parecería justo? pues esto es lo mismo.
Literalmente 0 capacidad de reflexión, eh 😅😅 Monocultivos en el S. XIX. Si no se los llamaba esclavos era sólo nominalmente. Y mejor no hablemos de las numerosas revoluciones cubanas y de la represión y los campos de concentración de Weyler...
Teniendo en cuenta que este proceso migratorio del que se habla en el video sucedió tras el cese de la esclavitud, entre 1860 y 1940... es bastante difícil que tenga algo que ver.
@@Alejojojo6 no, todavía había esclavos y los españoles se iban a enriquecer gracias a esa esclavitud. La Guerra de los Diez Años, Guerra del 68 o Guerra Grande (1868-1878), también conocida en España como Guerra de Cuba, fue la primera de las tres guerras cubanas de independencia insurrectas contra las fuerzas coloniales españolas. Todavía había guerras porque no querían liberar a los cubanos porque se enriquecían gracias a eso. Aceptenlo, Europa no sería ni la mitad de rica si no fuera porque saquearon durante siglos a america y esclavizaron a toda África.
@@jonayz8655 la diferencia es que la esclavitud existio, en la época que se iban a hacer la América había esclavitud, ya venían de siglos de saquear a America, por favor, no sé escandalicen si se hicieron ricos gracias a saquear America con esclavos africanos.
Very interesting video!
How can they forget about the whole of the Canarian Islands in this conversation??
Bien que Français, je parle couramment Anglais et Espagnol ; la BBC est une référence mondiale pour la qualité de ses analyses.
no, it is does show white washed biased misinformation such as this.
Irony. Right?
Quality analysis ??
Wow!...is that your take away?
¿Y qué hay de los Indianos del siglo 16 que volvieron desde Perú? a Trujillo de Extremadura, por ejemplo...
disfruta el Cuzco, dá las gracias que se lo dejamos como se lo dejamos
Si Francia es el primero que sigue practicando la esclavitud moderna en África… 😂
For once I would like to learn about these fascinating people and their lives without having them called slave-traders not a minute in.
Translation: For once I would like to hear cherrypicked information to make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
They weren't. He clearly stated : not all Indianos were slave traders and not all slave traders were Indianos.
I am sorry that you can't handle Spain's colonial legacy :(
@@ChicoCabra Exactly. It is ridiculous because there are regions of Spain that don't even identify as Spanish yet when we in the America's say the same we're told to get over it.
@@Alaskan-Armadillo ¿ Pero qué colonial ? Si la mayoría de las casas que salen en este reportaje son construidas por personas que fueron a Cuba cuando ya no era colonia de España, son personas que emigraron huyendo de la pobreza y una minoría consiguió enriquecerse .
Sacaron, se llevaron tantísimo de lo que ahora es México, u otros países de Latinoamerica y ellos se enriquecieron muchísimo. Algunos se quedaron a vivir también en México, y son familias que todavía guardan esa herencia y esa riqueza.
Son de las familias más ricas de México y conservan esos apellidos.
Se apoyan mucho entre ellos. Y tienen mucho poder también hasta político.
La verdad quisiera haber nacido en alguna de esas familias.
Estos españoles son unos perros, todos, colonizadores y esclavizadores. Siempre robándole a otros
Depende. Muchos Mexicanos descendidos de españoles, ya no se refieren tanto a la descendencia española.
Hay mas solidaridad Mexicana, por lo menos mas que antes. No niego que si hay algunos que todavia ven a lo indigena como algo aparte o peor. Pero veo que se ha disminuido ya que ahora estamos todos mas unidos con una mente mas nacionalista, y en especial en cualquier conversacion en contraste o oposicion con Estados Unidos.
Te puedo decir que entre mi familia (que algunos pueden trazar sus antepasados españoles al siglo 19) se han casado con personas de otras regiones con procedencia mas alta indigena que española, y todos se llevan igual.
Estamos mas bien con una mentalidad de que todos estamos juntos en esta vida con los mismos problemas y demas.
Amistades se hacen por donde quiera. Claro mi familia no es de la CDMX, y quiza ahi las cosas son diferentes. Pero aun asi creo que lo dices es menos comun ahora a excepcion de algunos lugares en minoria.
El 85% de los mexicanos tienen al menos un antepasado español.
@@danmur2797 Pues yo conozco a algunas familias que sí. Y conservan su historia,su pasado español con orgullo.
Contribuyeron inmensamente creando industrias que emplean en la actualidad a cientos de personas.
El cuento de los esclavistas me recuerda mucho al tema de Pablo Escobar "la esclavitud fue un hecho miserable pero fue lo que funcionaba. La Barcelona que conocemos es debida a fulanito de tal" jaja -un Colombiano
I thought indiano was only used for brown people because they call Filipinos Indio/Indiano never seen a white Spanish gets called as indiano pretty cool to hear
we know your history LoL your lies do not change this. there is shame in genocides. period.
Lies
Grab a book retarded.
¡Muy bien por España y Portugal! La esclavitud es y ha sido un hecho deplorable que ha visto surgir a individuos e imperios. El racismo no fue un factor general entre los siglos y tener una placa de la vergüenza en la plaza no hará del pueblo más trabajador ni honrado. Ha seguir para adelante sin estancarse en los males del pasado: PLVS VLTRA.
Saludos de la ex audiencia de Charcas, hoy un triste bastión comunista a la disposición de agentes chinos.
Chinos o de Soros y su falsa izquierda
great eye opener
Good to hear some important Spanish voices speak up about this topic. Countries unwilling to deal with the darker issues of the past tend to continue harboring racism and sugarcoated Nationalism. I'm currently living in a country who's more or less swept their negotiation with the Nazis that enabled all their neighboring countries to be occupied, by letting the Nazis use territory for invasion of them, if they left after. Their freedom in exchange for their neighbor's. No big surprize the Nationalists with Neonazi history and sympathies are now in political power never before seen in a right wing coalition where their divisive and outrageous policies are not only taken seriously, they are being turned into public policy, changing the entire country.
It seems remaining neutral and exempt from the horrors of war, as successful as it was for the post war economy, it's detrimental force in the future may be. Healthy inventory of past history, and shining a light on the reality of peoples who didn't get to write the history books, ie those who weren't "winners", is incredibly important to any society. Amnesia has you committing the crimes of your father in perpetuity and will inadevertantly destroy what took generations to build, and nobody will sympathise.
It's just part of the human condition. If you don't deal with it, fear will rule, and where it does, evil thrives.
Shine a light on the darkness, discuss it, and there's a way to reconciliation, reparation, acceptance and tremendous strength in the future. The Spanish speaking on the subject here obviously understand this, so there is hope.
"They were trained in the most advanced forms of capitalization," otherwise known as exploitation and subjugation. 😆
They built some nice houses though.
Advanced capitalism exists in australia , too. There is a huuuuge amount of land in australia. But govt has land zoning laws and restriction on subdivion of land. This means that though there are scores of beautiful coastal and regional towns, plots to build houses are scarce . The capitaliatic idea is to keep house prices high in city and regional areas by this method. It works but 1000s of aussies rent their whole life and the rest pay 30 year mortgages to get their 400sqm land and house
“Yes, we exploited the slaves in the Americas…but look at all the nice things we built with the blood money! Aren’t our nice things nice?”
Yeah, they're so annoying
For that no one better than the english and anglosaxon americans; knows the whole world
@@Lacteagalaxia Whataboutism
@@ChicoCabra No, just pointing out hypocrisy. At least they're not living on stolen land.
@@twilightofthezone No hypocrisy, only in your mind. The countries Paquito mentions are working on their colonial past, Spain isn't. And many people in Spain's only answer to the colonial past is deflecting and whataboutism.
The classic "y tú más".
Slave Traders!
"Negreiros" as we call in Brazil.
The grand historic 19th century mansions in my country, Brazil, were also built by men related to the slave trade from Africa to the Americas. Most of these men came from rural areas of Portugal and emigrated to Brazil at a very young age. I think the same happened with Cuba and Spain.
Muy interesante el documental , muy educativo para la nueva generación pegada de celulares..... paso a paso la historia de la humanidad desaparecen........!!!!! Estoy esperando la parte 2.....!!!!
The white man stays undefeated
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BUM YOU'RE A BUM!
You are Yellow just like Chinese , but the Anglo-Saxon they like to lie 🤥 because it's thought 🤔 to be that the Angles are white color , So the europeans wanted the other people to think that they have an angelical quality and caricature , So they said they are white not Yellow 🤣
Exactly...
sana may mayaman ding filipino na ilustrado noon na nagtayo ng mansion sa espanya para may arkitekturang filipino sa kanila, like bahay-na-bato 😂