I had a similar problem with my Benjamin Steel Eagle. There's a screw at the back right behind the trigger guard. A drop of blue Loctite will solve your problem. I was fighting accuracy issues until I got the screws to stay tight. After applying a drop of blue Loctite/threadlocker my accuracy improved and the gun stayed dialed in(and I shoot a lot). I'm putting pellets through pellet holes at 10 yards, up to 25 yards pretty consistently.
Nice review! I've been using this rifle for two summers now, highly accurate on chipmunks and squirrels, 10 to 40 yards (and two mice at 20 yards). The rear (stock side) trigger screw has been a constant problem, but I'm convinced all the screws on the rifle are garbage - I constantly had to tighten the scope mount screws and I just had to replace the stock mount screws because one sheared off when I broke the barrel, which pulled the trigger screw out and made the entire barrel come off the rifle. That created a fair amount of steel coming at my face, enough that it pulled the slide mechanism out of the slot in the bottom of the barrel...had to pull the washer off the trigger to get the slide back in place. Anyway, it's a really nice rifle, but the screws suck. I recommend (1) remove and blue loctite the rear trigger screw and scope mount screws, and (2) replace and loctite the stock mount screws (I used hex head M5x16 with 2 split washers on each side).
Just tighten the screws. Crosman use Blue Loctite, but they eventually work loose. There is a screw under your trigger guard to lock the back down. I tapped my Crosman out to fit 6mm Allen bolts and used a stronger threadlock. (I think the Loctite Crosman is using is more of a patch lock and not a threadlock - it looks the same as their trigger adjustment screw, it is a thread grip rather than a lock) The Nitro piston is violent when it fires, my Diamondback sheared the 5mm screw on the front left.
I now own two of the NP trails one in .177 and .22. The .22 is loose side to side at the breach block. I have tightened it down and loosened it. It shoots so far to the left that the scope runs out of wind age to the right. I have traded scopes and swaped rings every which way. You can visually see the gap and the block favoring to the left..This rifle will go back to Crosman...The .177 is a sweet shooter. I did mount a 24oz tactical scope on it and added a pound of plumbers putty to the inside rear of the stock. I can see my hits to the bulls eye one after another.
this is normal too, the rail is not perfectly straight, use tinfoil and shim your scope rings on the mounts. itll fix it. (or flip the front scope ring 180*.
That cylinder was already charged (cocked) when he cracked it .... I bought the NP II trail bout a year ago ... took it down this evening "partially" to swab the bore ... 8/2/17 ... noticed ... that the trigger stock screw threads into a "round block" that has two flats cut in it so it can be tightened at the factory to the "frame or action of the rifle" ... Ok that block has to be tight to the frame and the trigger stock screw has to be tight to the block to hold the stock anchored ... take the fore grip screws out first ... then try and remove the trigger stock screw ... It might unthread from the block (like it's supposed to) ...or ... the block may unthread from the action and come away with the stock (not supposed to) ... some how you gotta get the stock off the rifle and find out why tightening the trigger stock screw isn't tightening and holding the stock ... cuz I'm guessing you are trying to tighten that screw .... If the "block to frame" threads are stripped .... Yeah , it's going back to Crosman...
It also works well to hold the rifle by the grip and barrel, and bump the hinge area against the stomach, to begin the cocking. And today i was able to shoot a Benjamin Prowler .177. Fantastic rifle.
I have begun to really like my Benjamin .22 Once I got this problem sorted out it has been a great gun with good knock down power. This gun will take out a racoon or similar sized animal with one shot if placed right. I've been trying different pellets in it and really like the red flight brand that I get at my local walmart. They are on the heavy side 16 grain but do a great job. Appreciate the post
I bought the new NP2's hoping for more velocity. What I got where rifles that liked heavier pellets. To get accuracy I had to use JSB's 15.8 gr pellets which shoot at 690 fps. The .177 likes the 10.34 jsb.s
I just bought one last year, no problems. They probably made adjustments when manufacturing it. I added a red dot instead of scope. Love this pellet gun
I bought this same rifle when it was $99 at Walmart. Must have been 6 years ago. I hardly used it because I couldn’t get it to be accurate. Today I decided I was going to run some more pellets through it and see if I could get better at firing a break barrel. In my opinion this rifle had tons a recoil. So after maybe an hour and estimated 100 to 150 pellets one of the screws broke! One of the two screws you mentioned that you couldn’t tighten without changing the barrel angle. I just made that last shot and I heard and saw something fall to the ground. What a waste! I’m glad it was only $99 instead of $250 or $300
@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 I haven’t tried yet. Hopefully the other half of the screw has a couple threads sticking out to grab onto. I bought this air gun to deal with some little rodents around the property. Now I just wish I had a large enough property to use a real gun safely.
My prowler was awesome, now it's only shooting an average of 620 fps with the 14.3 crossman hollow points, the seal looks good but I'm not sure if it's the seal or the nitro piston.. Any way to test?????
Under the trigger there's a screw that holds the back part down tighten that up and your good it's a good gun but one thing about any air gun they loose after a while and if you bought it brand new before shooting you have to check to make sure everything is tighten before you shoot I hope that help brother
Good video, and with a legitimate problem. I actually own and daily shoot the Benjamin Prowler Nitro .22 and haven't had that to occur (yet). But I will say that the stock bolts down with the 2 bolts on the forearm, but also the one large bolt in the trigger guard holds the breech end down. If it's flopping upwards, try tightening the trigger guard bolt first... then hit the other 2 a couple rounds. Sorry if like you do on the lug nuts on your truck. Evenly tightening until they're all 3 seated. (Otherwise, it's a factory defect on the threads for the trigger guard bolt). I also had a problem with their "2-stage trigger".. you have to pull 3/4" just to fire a round. That's a no-no for an adult who is hunting. File the trigger contact point down (it's die-cast and the seam is rough). Also changing the trigger return spring (or bending it with needle nose pliers) will reduce the pull and a longer adjustment bolt will give you a 'hair trigger' which is fully adjustable. Don't listen to the haters... Just shoot cigarettes out of their mouths.
Michael N. DeWoods hey do you know anything about a clanking noise near the gun trigger part ? It kinda bothers me because every time i move it around it makes a sound like if something is loose and wobbling around. Also i have seen many modding videos of the rifle ( i own it and im a beginner ) do you recommend any modding of it ? Oh and should i trash the scope ?
Hey bro i saw your video so whats wrong is that the back screws where the trigger and safety is at are loose it has happend to me before i own a winchester 1100s and it is normal for a break barrel rife barrel to get loose just tighten up the screws thats all
Hey what’s up buddy it’s Mike from Long Island ny. thanks for the tip on the screw my buddies gun had the exact same thing I was trying to dial it in and didn’t know what the hell was going on LooseScrew thank you
This rifle Billy breaks the barrel on has already been cocked. It's not that he hit it too hard, but that the action was already moved back. Today my Benjamin Prowler arrived, and it takes more muscle to break over the barrel to load it, around 35 lbs. But that's not too much. It's providing for the 15.89 gr., .22 caliber pellet to travel at 720 fps. Anyway, it's obvious Billy slapped that barrel when already cocked. We all get busy.
It's been common knowledge for a long time that high power break barrels are notoriously hard on scopes and action screws. For some reason, this knowledge keeps getting "forgotten" - I don't know why. In fact, scopes weren't even attempted to be placed on air guns until they found out how to make scopes that would survive handgun shooting. A high power air gun will tear apart a scope that can survive regular use on a 458 Winchester elephant gun. True. Best way to describe this is imagine accelerating from 0 to 600 mph in an instant, turning on a dime, accelerating to 500 mph in the opposite direction, and slamming to a stop on a concrete barrier. That's what every shot does to scopes and action screws. Blue loctite the screws if there's even a HINT of movement anywhere. This includes scope mounts. Sometimes its even necessary to put powdered resin in the scope rings to keep the scope from sliding in the rings. As for a bracket on the rear of the action - the screw is best because a bracket would cause harmonic vibration with every shot. Not good for accuracy. Probably would have been better to return to gun for refurbishing. Could easily have other issues just from shooting with a loose action screw.
Was going to say tighten the screw holding the stock in place (trigger guard) then BLUE loctite her, but everyone else beat me to it. FYI quit slapping your barrels around cocked or not. Treat your rifles well practice and they will serve you well.
That can be fixed easily, loose screws near the trigger guard. Take it apart and tighten that up.. But the biggest problem is like you said, "160 bucks", or however cheap it was.. Plus the Crosman people not knowing what to do.. You would have to spend around $500 or so to get something like an RWS Diana 350 magnum, if you really wanted high quality at a fair price.
+Trevor Jameson Trevor, I found the screw I didn't see anything in the manual about it and like I said Crosman wasn't helpful. A viewer on CZcams told me about it and I tightened it up and everything looks good it's just been too cold for me to go out and sight it in. I'm planning a follow up as soon as I get a break in the weather to see how it holds up. As far as the RWS gun goes...do you own one? I checked them out and it looks like something I might put on my wishlist.
Yeah hopefully the weather will cooperate for you.. I'll be looking forward to seeing your follow up on it.. I do like crosman products; I have a 2100, an old 766, and a 2300 pistol, all are very good.. And yes, I do own an RWS 460 magnum. I bought it back in '12, and shoot it quite often. The power is great and the accuracy is second to none, even past 50 yards. And the trigger is absolutely fantastic, I have never felt a trigger like that before, silky smooth and very light pull.. Takes a little getting used to though. But it is of the highest quality, that's for sure.
blue loctite dude.....all spring/gas rams need it on rear trigger guard screw and barrel pivot screws....along with all scope mounting screws......please dont do videos about nonexistant problems.
Whenever I get a new firearm I always disassemble them check them out clean Lube thread lock I'm all nuts and bolts and screws especially the scope I let it sit overnight then I take it out try the gun out that way I've always had good luck
Ha! Me too! You have too! Even used guns! I got my Benjamin Prowler for $99. My advice if you want accuracy, use wad cutters NOT Piranhas... First thing before firing the first shot, get to know the gun completely! Duh! I wonder how many people buy a gun and shoot first without inspecting it? Probably most & they are called Millennials! I'm a Boomer, we are the last group of non-victims in the world!
Flat Rock Fox! I’m guessing most people that buy a new break barrel for $99 bucks are putting a pellet through before they clean that barrel. Knowing how to use it is one thing but you make it sound like it should be field stripped like a firearm. You know kids get these for presents and if I’m giving my son his first pellet rifle and he goes to work with an Allen wrench before shooting it we got problems
I have the np trail its been a great rifle. Tighten the rear screw at the trigger guard. Or send it back. I have had seen a lot of break barrels these guns will shoot with the high dollar English and German rifles.. Get the Charlie da Tuna trigger and the Primere Ultra mag pellets and you will have a shooter.
You're right I had found it and a little bit of thread lock seemed to solve the problem Still feel they should have a bracket over the barrel as there is a lot of torque applied when cocking gun/breaking barrel imo - once that was solved have started to really like gun now thanks for post
there it a very small Philips screw in the tiger gard and 2 larger ones out side of it I took mine out tonight and saw three holes on the internals of the gun
+William Miller the rear large screw holds down the rear of the barrel the small screw is a trigger adjust the front screw is a short screw that holds the guard in place There isn't any other screws I am going to shoot a video where I show this I'll post the link when it's up
same thing happened to my Benjamin trail np...eventually it blew off throwing pieces of wood and I tightened all of the screws on the gun also be fore use
+Rj Flores I tightened the screw by the trigger and it pulled the barrel back into the stock, I haven't shot it since then to see if that corrected it. What your saying is your barrel came loose from the stock and threw wood pcs or are you saying your piston chamber exploded?
Ohhhhh yea I don't think I tightened the screw behind the trigger...I think that's what caused the explosion...the screw stripped the wood and split it with the force of me cocking every time
+Rj Flores Ok thanks for letting me know. I feel like they started off building a good gun but then they cut some corners or the designer/engineer had a bad day or something. My son has a Gamo rifle and it's been shot a ton and nothing is coming loose like this. I'll post a video after I've shot it a bit and see if this fixes it. If you call Crosman maybe they will do something for you, worth a try.
should just be a loose screw by trigger ...how do you like it i have a np trail but i hate the stock ...looking to get np2 with same guts but different stock
+carlatjoses I can't believe I missed the screw but I'm going to take a look at it. I haven't had time lately to mess with it but if I can get the loose barrel problem taken care of I absolutely love the gun. It's got some good knock down power, it's quiet and it feels like a high end rifle. I called crosman and they couldn't figure out what the problem was over the phone. I kind of felt like the girl I was talking to was a receptionist pretending to be tech support though. If that's the case they really need to improve their customer service experience
It wasn't missing it was loose. I actually like this gun a lot and will be doing an updated review on it. Depending on what ammo you shoot depends on accuracy of the gun. Just like any gun I guess
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The scope is not mounted to the barrel, the scope is mounted to the piston cylinder and action. The barrel pivots on a bolt at the front of the piston cylinder the only thing that’s attached to that barrel is maybe if you have the model where it has a front sight and a rear site attached to the dove tail mounting position. As for that rifle there is hey screw behind the trigger that goes through the stock in into and adapter that also holds the trigger to the piston tube. Titan that bolt problem solved. I got a question for you. Had the rifle Benjamin trail NP 2 SBD have owned it for year and a half shoes great I move out to the new house because of the divorce no one touches my rifles by the way they were gingerly carried in my vehicle not a moving van to the new house shoot grade at the new house two weeks ago it started shooting hi in to the right I have gone through that rifle as I am a semi trained gunsmith and I have checked all of the nuts bolts screws I have checked the piston I have checked the Traeger I readjusted the Traeger that didn’t make any improvements and no matter what I do with two separate scopes one that I bought for the rifle when I bought it and a brand new scope right out of the box both scopes have to be bottomed out all the way down on elevation and all the way to the left on the windage no matter what I’ve done to this thing it still shoots hi and to the right what the hell is going on??????
If your barrel starts to come up now you'll know what to do. :-) other than that it's a good gun. Play around with the pellets, I find the 14-16 grain seem to run truer. imo
I hope that by now, you would have figured it out that the Rear trigger guard bolt (with a Phillips head) is /was LOOSE. It would have been embarrassing to return it to Crosman for something That simple.... Unless, you finally did try to tighten it, only find out the receiver threads were stripped... which may also have been a possibility, though doubtful.... or, the bolt itself may have had undercut threads, or partially stripped.
there sure as hell ain't no need to smack it the way you do and I apologize for saying your an idiot on my part that was wrong and he sure as hell don't smack it
Ok, apology accepted. You're a good man. :-) Next time you're out with him try his out. It's a tough break on it. It's interesting to hear you shoot coyotes with your whisper pro. I raise chickens and a few weeks back I saw what I thought was a coyote off in the distance behind my coop. My first thought was I may have to do something about this and my second thought was I'm probably going to need something with faster reload time than my pellet gun. Do you carry a back up or just keep yourself off the ground? I'm assuming with a pellet gun your after a headshot as well?
I will do and let you know what I think of it. the whisper pro is a very good good it'll kill a coyote but with the right pelletes and a good shot but over all very good gun. most guns like mine take about 42 pounds of pressure to break you take care and once again my apologies
Eric Lucero The gun was already cocked... notice the anti bear trap with the barrel swinging like that? That’s how you’re supposed to cock a break barrel anyway... whack it and grab the barrel in one smooth motion. That’s what breaks it. You should see my Sig ASP20 if you think that’s hard.
O.K. Now I'm getting the answer I'm looking for.Thanks to ( Burb Billy and Eric Coovert ) I will try the heavy 11.9 grain pellet and shortened the target.
ok had the same problem. i removed the stock from the gun itself. where the back trigger screw goes in behind the trigger there is a bracket the screws into the spring housing which tends to loosen. use a cressent wrench to tighten it the reassemble. problem solved.
+james soper a viewer pointed out a screw by the trigger, I tightened it and it pulled the rear of the barrel in, looks like it fixed it. Once i get a break in the weather I want to run a couple hundred shots through it, see if it holds and then I'll get a video up. Mine was a phillips head screw not a bolt or anything. I'll show you when I do the vid
+The Burb Billy....... What "james soper" is trying to tell you.. is just what he said... remove the gun from the stock, and up INSIDE and Above where the trigger guard is, there is an elongated Hex nut that the Phillips headed bolt threads Into. That elongated nut, threads INTO the action.... and as "james" mentioned to you... they can (and do) come loose. Even if your tightening of the rear trigger has "fixed" your issue.... I would still remove the stock and double check the retaining nut. The best thing to do is.... remove the stock, remove the hex nut.... and put a couple of drops of Loctite "BLUE" (do NOT put Loctite "RED" on the threads... you will Not get it apart again, if you ever need to) on the nut threads, wait for about 30 seconds, then thread the nut back into the action using a proper size box end wrench. Next.... repeat with All the other attachment bolts... at the trigger group, and at the front of the stock... with the Loctite "BLUE".... which you can acquire at Any auto parts store.... and even some Hardware stores, carry it. There are also some "big box" store's that carry it, as well as places like "Harbor Freight", etc..... HOWEVER... there are other "Brands" out there, that sell "Blue" (and "Red") thread sealer / locker's, as well.... "some" of them are just "repackaged" ("off branded") Loctite... produced By Loctite..... but, Unless you actually know the "source" of any labels, product..... stay away from them.... and stick with Loctite... they "Work"... "IF" used as Instructed to do so. The "Blue" acts as a "vibration inhibitor".... helping the bolt to retain its torque value, and stay in place.
I would like to add my opinion on air guns. They are like all other guns, and what I mean by that is you have to look at how you are setting them up. I have several adult air rifles that I own and they have all had some kind of hump you have to get over. All of mine have had a break in period, from as little as 250 rounds and others up to 500 rounds. One in particular I wanted to chunk in the trash! Now is my favorite. Calm down and run one can of pellets through it. I shoot Crosman first. Then start running 3-5 shots from as many different styles and weights ( keep it scientific) loosen your grip and let her jump. Hint the Benjamin Varmiter .22 likes RWS Super Dome. But each gun is different. Upgrade the scope to a CenterPoint 4x16x40 OA from Walmart it's one of the only scopes for the money that will keep zero on Gas Ram and Spring powers rifles. Garza Outdoors.
+Garza Outdoors I'm workin' on getting it over that "hump" lol appreciate you taking the time to share your experience/knowledge will keep putting rounds through it. the gun falling apart in my hands threw me for a curve though. Now I keep a close eye on the rear of the barrel when I shoot
I'm having a hell of a time with accuracy on this air rifle.( Benjamin Genesis.22 cal air rifle) It don't hold true. The shot is all over the target, first I thought it was me, so I keep shooting more round,than I switched to a another scope and the results was the same. Is it gun or the pellet (.22cal. Premier Hollow point by Crosman)?? Is anyone else's having this issue? Need to know,thanks!!
+Tom Gargano I was having the same problem with mine but I think it was this loose barrel issue. When I'd go to sight it in I'd think I had it then it'd move over 3 inches lol About how far are you shooting? 100ft? 60ft?
That's good to hear, mine seems to be improving some as well, still a little splayed out but at least they are going in the right direction. Are you still using the crosman hollow points or did you switch to another pellet? I have seen some heavier grains I wanted to try but the price goes up quite a bit.
+The Burb Billy (The Burbbilly) Mostly crosman pellets. Point of impact changes a lot with JSB heavies and H&N crow magnums. Just changed the trigger with the washer mod and totally happy with this set up. Wouldn't get rid of this rifle for anything. Maybe not a bench shooter but a quiet, reliable, Hunter that loves cheap ammo.
Tighten all screws, that will fix the problem.. If your having issues with accuracy its just like any rifle, you need to figure out what pellets it likes to shoot then stick with those. also clean and lube them.. also clean the boar really well with JB boar cleaner.
+The Burb Billy..... In response to what "Adam Machelski" suggested...... I would NOT use ANY firearms cleaners in your air rifle... NEVER, and irregardless of the brand. Air rifles are NOT "firearms".... and the rifling in the barrels are very "shallow".... and especially with the "lower and lower / mid range" ( sub - $100 to mid - $200 range)... and NEVER, EVER... use a "bore brush" in an air rifle's barrel..... "Why"??..... because as I stated previously... the rifling is VERY shallow and the barrels are of "soft" low carbon steel.... between a "bore brush" and (made for firearms) barrel and breach cleaners... you WILL destroy the rifling in any, airgun. To clean an air rifle barrel (or, pistol / revolver), just get some "GOO GONE", and apply it to a bore "patch" (Soft CLOTH)..... (or, however many it takes, until it comes out CLEAN).... about the ONLY time you will need to do this, is when you get the gun (New) and it is filled with "preservative" oils from the factory to ensure "shelf life" without rusting, until it is sold..... and then after every several thousand shots, almost Never. As far as "cleaning" pellets go.... these days, it's more "Myth" than "Fact"... which has its "roots" going back in time... 25+ years ago.... when pellets were Not of the same quality, as they are today.... there are a few "exceptions".... but, the Vast majority of the pellets today... do Not "need" (nor, benefit from) "cleaning".... and IF you (re: anyone) don't really know how to do it..... don't.... you "can" damage the skirting of Diabolo type pellets, Really Easily. As far as "lubing" them.... many major branded pellets, today... have an impregnated "lubricant" that is "built into" them, on top of the fact, that lead itself... IS "self lubricating" and a small amount of lead "film" in the bore is actually desirable in airguns...... however, what "lubing" pellets will do.... is to cause "dieseling" of the pellet.... when the trigger is pulled, and the accelerated air column is pushed forth at tremendous force and speed... it causes a momentary and rapid "heating" of the air column.... sufficiently enough, that when the heated air reaches the rear of the pellet... and if there is ANY amount of lube (re: fuel) present at the rear of the pellet.... it will cause the "lube" to "ignite, momentarily..... generating extra force, pushing the pellet out of the barrel with greater force (FPS= Feet Per Second = velocity). HOWEVER..... Too MUCH (and it does Not take much, to be TOO Much) "lube" will cause, "detonation" in the chamber... and can "backfeed" back to the piston and its seal.... and WILL cause damage to the airgun... and in extreme (and Documented) cases, have been known to cause physical injuries to the person shooting the gun, and in some cases.... severe. Bottom line for lubing of pellets is..... 1) DON'T.... the "gains" in fps, really aren't worth it, not to mention risking injury to yourself and your gun...... and 2).. "IF" you really "insist on it"... then use a NON - COMBUSTIBLE (re: synthetic) lubricant..... NEVER USE.... COMBUSTIBLE lubricants for "pellet lubing".... or ANYWHERE in between, from forward of the piston seal to the pellet !!...... NEVER, EVER!!!
So, don't lube pellets. It is wise to double check all stock and scope hardware out of the box AND remember to check them once in awhile even if your rifle "seems fine". Definitely use blue loc-tite during reassembly. These rifles are simple, but unforgiving.
@@Romans--bo7br JB bore paste is NOT a "firearms" solvent , it's a mild abrasive paste ! It's to remove micro burs from the lands and grooves of the rifling . This procedure drastically reduces the accuracy break in period .
+Paul H Ford Paul I just shot a video on this, showing where to tighten and what it connects to inside the gun, will have it up this week. That said...I tightened mine up and ran maybe a couple hundred pellets through it and the barrel completely came undone on me. I didn't even notice it had come loose, I was focused on my shots and I thought they were going off because of the wind but the problem was the bolt coming loose. If you get to yours before I get the vid up try putting some thread lock on it because just tightening it doesn't seem to be enough.
i put around 400 pellets thru mine before all the screws started loosening up, take it apart, loctite everything, torque it down, let it sit for 24 hours for thel octite to cure
check out the benjamin steel eagle .22 it's a much better gun with the same feel I have one it's extremely accurate and will kill an armadillo in one shot with the right pellet it's the Jim Shockley edition and cost a little more than $160 but we'll worth it
+Eric Schwartz Will do I have retightened it a few times and it keeps coming loose, crosman is no help they say it can't be a design issue because all of their guns are built this way. I can't believe they would rely on that one screw holding the barrel in against the torque from the piston being cocked. thanks for the post i'll let you know if it works
+Eric Schwartz I'm going to do a video showing how it's put together because of the problems I've had with it but yea it's one screw in the back and two in the front. The problem is these piston guns take a lot of torque to get them cocked so it puts pressure on the rear of the barrel from what I can see. There is only one screw there and it comes loose. I am planning on pulling it apart, shooting a vid and then putting it back together again with lock tite and see what happens.
+Tom Gargano I wouldn't think so, that's about where I'd sight in. around 30 yards(90 feet) is a good sight in point for a pellet gun in my opinion, I'm sure someone will jump on here and have a different thought but the way I see it they are not a bullet, a .22 is usually around a 40 grain and pellets are not much more than 10-15 grain and whatever they claim it moves at in FPS it probably goes a bit slower. Any wind will factor heavily in as well. Also if you're using it for hunting around 100 feet is a good kill zone, much more than that (150 feet plus) and I'd be concerned for ability to kill cleanly. just a thought...is your barrel seated snuggly on the stock? I found mine had a slight gap in the back and it was caused by a loose screw by the trigger.
+Tom Gargano Tom after we chatted here I went out and shot my gun, put about 100 rounds through it. At 75 feet it was all over the place, I moved it in 30 feet and Boom! i was hitting. Check this out and then see if you have the same experience. I'd love to know if this is just my gun or everyone czcams.com/video/uCH_kOW1zeU/video.html thanks
+The Burb Billy (The Burbbilly) I sight my Hatsan 125 which is chambered in .22 in at 18 yards, that gives it the flattest trajectory when using the 18.13 grain JSB Jumbo HEavy pellets, which happen to be the most accurate out of my gun. Hatsan advertises 1,000 fps. for their .22 cal 125 model, with lead pellets. The difference between Hatsan and other brands is that they measure their velocities with lead pellets, not lead free pellets like the competition. My Hatsan 125 shoots 11.9 grain RWS Hobby pellets, which are lead pellets, out the muzzle at a ten shot average velocity of just over 1,010 fps., giving it 26.98 fpe. It also belts the 18.13 grain JSB Exact Jumbo Heavies out the muzzle at a ten shot average velocity of 893 fps., yielding 32.11 fpe. at the muzzle. Hatsans seem to prefer heavier pellets for maximum muzzle energy. I only bring this up to point out that there is at least one brand that does not over state their muzzle velocities. Probably the worst when it comes to overstating their muzzle velocities is Gamo. They claimed their Hunter Extreme would shoot .177 pellets out the muzzle at 1,650 fps. when in actuality, the muzzle velocities were closer to 1,1520 fps. and that's with their extremely light PBA. pellets which only weigh 5.4 grains. If that 1650 fps. they claim were true, that would yield 32.65 foot pounds of energy, which would would make it the most powerful production break barrel air rifle ever. If you use the more accurate figure of 1,521 fps., you would get 27.75 foot pounds of energy, which is still quite impressive, but a far cry from 32.65 foot pounds. Gamo air rifles seem to produce the highest amount of energy with the lightest of pellets, but when lead pellets with more typical weights are used, the muzzle energy drops significantly. Here are some examples. RWS Hobby .177 cal. 7.0 grains @ 1195 fps. = 22.20 fpe. and Crosman Premier .177 cal 7.9 grains 1118 @ fps. = 21.93 fpe. Keep in mind, these are .177 caliber pellets. Though it is true that most manufactures exaggerate their muzzle velocities, most are not as far off as the Gamo example, and at least one brand is right on, as per chrony. tests.
You probably pay a buck $140 for that if you wouldn't got the Benjamin prowler for $76 it's the same exact thing it's when they advertise that they changed the names
+William Miller William I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. The screw in the rear of the guard tightens the barrel. The one in the front holds the guard itself. The screw right behind the trigger is for trigger adjustments. Maybe you own a different gun?
hey the prowler is a piece of crap, same with the crosman venom. cant keep scope mount from moving, its striped the rear mounting screw, tried lock tite blue on all bolts with in ten shots they were loose, tryed all kinds of scope mounts and nothing keeps it from moving. throw the piece of crap away.
If I pay for the shipping would you send it to me? I know how to mount scopes on that rifle. Never yet found an airgun where I couldn't stabilize the scope. If you have a good airgun store nearby (I happen to own one in California) take it to them and let them take a pass at it. To condemn a rifle because you have issues with the scope mounting is kind of odd; really has nothing to do with the rifle performance (unless in the effort to make a mounting work the dovetail got damaged. Even that can be corrected). On the other hand the Venom is a piece of junk and always has been. Never saw a single reviewer who knew anything about airguns who didn't say so. Can't even imagine why they are still on the market.
I have this same exact gun. Not very happy with it at all. It’s heavy… It’s harder to cock...And its ACCURACY leaves MUCH to be desired!! I even tried five different brands of pellets…NONE of them shoot what would be considered adequate groups. I’ve been shooting guns my entire life. I’m a pretty decent shot. I utilized a solid benchrest, and exercised good site alignment and trigger control. BAD ACCURACY. I personally wouldn’t recommend it.
Jim Bigboystoys, read all these comments. Check everything and clean the barrel. Try many more brands and types of pellets. Round head is usually the most accurate at distance. JSB 15.89 and 18 gr. are accurate in a lot of guns.
Jeez dude your rear screw is loose, alter the vid title problem solved man, please
:'D
I had a similar problem with my Benjamin Steel Eagle. There's a screw at the back right behind the trigger guard. A drop of blue Loctite will solve your problem. I was fighting accuracy issues until I got the screws to stay tight. After applying a drop of blue Loctite/threadlocker my accuracy improved and the gun stayed dialed in(and I shoot a lot). I'm putting pellets through pellet holes at 10 yards, up to 25 yards pretty consistently.
Nice review! I've been using this rifle for two summers now, highly accurate on chipmunks and squirrels, 10 to 40 yards (and two mice at 20 yards). The rear (stock side) trigger screw has been a constant problem, but I'm convinced all the screws on the rifle are garbage - I constantly had to tighten the scope mount screws and I just had to replace the stock mount screws because one sheared off when I broke the barrel, which pulled the trigger screw out and made the entire barrel come off the rifle. That created a fair amount of steel coming at my face, enough that it pulled the slide mechanism out of the slot in the bottom of the barrel...had to pull the washer off the trigger to get the slide back in place. Anyway, it's a really nice rifle, but the screws suck. I recommend (1) remove and blue loctite the rear trigger screw and scope mount screws, and (2) replace and loctite the stock mount screws (I used hex head M5x16 with 2 split washers on each side).
Just tighten the screws. Crosman use Blue Loctite, but they eventually work loose. There is a screw under your trigger guard to lock the back down. I tapped my Crosman out to fit 6mm Allen bolts and used a stronger threadlock. (I think the Loctite Crosman is using is more of a patch lock and not a threadlock - it looks the same as their trigger adjustment screw, it is a thread grip rather than a lock) The Nitro piston is violent when it fires, my Diamondback sheared the 5mm screw on the front left.
I now own two of the NP trails one in .177 and .22. The .22 is loose side to side at the breach block. I have tightened it down and loosened it. It shoots so far to the left that the scope runs out of wind age to the right. I have traded scopes and swaped rings every which way. You can visually see the gap and the block favoring to the left..This rifle will go back to Crosman...The .177 is a sweet shooter. I did mount a 24oz tactical scope on it and added a pound of plumbers putty to the inside rear of the stock. I can see my hits to the bulls eye one after another.
I find it interesting that you said that your NPs shoots way to the left. My NP shoots way to the right and running out of wind-age adjustment.
this is normal too, the rail is not perfectly straight, use tinfoil and shim your scope rings on the mounts. itll fix it. (or flip the front scope ring 180*.
That cylinder was already charged (cocked) when he cracked it .... I bought the NP II trail bout a year ago ... took it down this evening "partially" to swab the bore ... 8/2/17 ... noticed ... that the trigger stock screw threads into a "round block" that has two flats cut in it so it can be tightened at the factory to the "frame or action of the rifle" ... Ok that block has to be tight to the frame and the trigger stock screw has to be tight to the block to hold the stock anchored ... take the fore grip screws out first ... then try and remove the trigger stock screw ... It might unthread from the block (like it's supposed to) ...or ... the block may unthread from the action and come away with the stock (not supposed to) ... some how you gotta get the stock off the rifle and find out why tightening the trigger stock screw isn't tightening and holding the stock ... cuz I'm guessing you are trying to tighten that screw .... If the "block to frame" threads are stripped .... Yeah , it's going back to Crosman...
The two new rifles I have are the NP2's The old NP I sold. It was in .22 and shot great groups. 720fps with 14.3gr Ultra mags.
It also works well to hold the rifle by the grip and barrel, and bump the hinge area against the stomach, to begin the cocking. And today i was able to shoot a Benjamin Prowler .177. Fantastic rifle.
I have begun to really like my Benjamin .22 Once I got this problem sorted out it has been a great gun with good knock down power. This gun will take out a racoon or similar sized animal with one shot if placed right. I've been trying different pellets in it and really like the red flight brand that I get at my local walmart. They are on the heavy side 16 grain but do a great job. Appreciate the post
I bought the new NP2's hoping for more velocity. What I got where rifles that liked heavier pellets. To get accuracy I had to use JSB's 15.8 gr pellets which shoot at 690 fps. The .177 likes the 10.34 jsb.s
I just bought one last year, no problems. They probably made adjustments when manufacturing it. I added a red dot instead of scope. Love this pellet gun
I bought this same rifle when it was $99 at Walmart. Must have been 6 years ago. I hardly used it because I couldn’t get it to be accurate. Today I decided I was going to run some more pellets through it and see if I could get better at firing a break barrel. In my opinion this rifle had tons a recoil. So after maybe an hour and estimated 100 to 150 pellets one of the screws broke! One of the two screws you mentioned that you couldn’t tighten without changing the barrel angle. I just made that last shot and I heard and saw something fall to the ground. What a waste! I’m glad it was only $99 instead of $250 or $300
Ok, but it should be easy enough to remove and replace the bolt, this time using a socket head (allen) bolt because they are a higher grade, stronger.
@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 I haven’t tried yet. Hopefully the other half of the screw has a couple threads sticking out to grab onto. I bought this air gun to deal with some little rodents around the property. Now I just wish I had a large enough property to use a real gun safely.
When you get a new rifle check the fit on the sides of the breach block really close.
My prowler was awesome, now it's only shooting an average of 620 fps with the 14.3 crossman hollow points, the seal looks good but I'm not sure if it's the seal or the nitro piston.. Any way to test?????
Under the trigger there's a screw that holds the back part down tighten that up and your good it's a good gun but one thing about any air gun they loose after a while and if you bought it brand new before shooting you have to check to make sure everything is tighten before you shoot I hope that help brother
Good video, and with a legitimate problem.
I actually own and daily shoot the Benjamin Prowler Nitro .22 and haven't had that to occur (yet). But I will say that the stock bolts down with the 2 bolts on the forearm, but also the one large bolt in the trigger guard holds the breech end down.
If it's flopping upwards, try tightening the trigger guard bolt first... then hit the other 2 a couple rounds. Sorry if like you do on the lug nuts on your truck. Evenly tightening until they're all 3 seated. (Otherwise, it's a factory defect on the threads for the trigger guard bolt).
I also had a problem with their "2-stage trigger".. you have to pull 3/4" just to fire a round. That's a no-no for an adult who is hunting. File the trigger contact point down (it's die-cast and the seam is rough).
Also changing the trigger return spring (or bending it with needle nose pliers) will reduce the pull and a longer adjustment bolt will give you a 'hair trigger' which is fully adjustable.
Don't listen to the haters... Just shoot cigarettes out of their mouths.
Michael N. DeWoods hey do you know anything about a clanking noise near the gun trigger part ? It kinda bothers me because every time i move it around it makes a sound like if something is loose and wobbling around. Also i have seen many modding videos of the rifle ( i own it and im a beginner ) do you recommend any modding of it ? Oh and should i trash the scope ?
Hey bro i saw your video so whats wrong is that the back screws where the trigger and safety is at are loose it has happend to me before i own a winchester 1100s and it is normal for a break barrel rife barrel to get loose just tighten up the screws thats all
Hey what’s up buddy it’s Mike from Long Island ny. thanks for the tip on the screw my buddies gun had the exact same thing I was trying to dial it in and didn’t know what the hell was going on LooseScrew thank you
This rifle Billy breaks the barrel on has already been cocked. It's not that he hit it too hard, but that the action was already moved back. Today my Benjamin Prowler arrived, and it takes more muscle to break over the barrel to load it, around 35 lbs. But that's not too much. It's providing
for the 15.89 gr.,
.22 caliber pellet to travel at 720 fps. Anyway, it's obvious Billy slapped that barrel when already cocked. We all get busy.
Man was just asking for a little help, so what's with the name calling.
Everything I ever seen had a screw back there next to the trigger guard to fasten the back of the receiver down
Bro there is a screw in the back of the trigger guard that holds the stock to the gun
It's been common knowledge for a long time that high power break barrels are notoriously hard on scopes and action screws.
For some reason, this knowledge keeps getting "forgotten" - I don't know why. In fact, scopes weren't even attempted to be placed on air guns until they found out how to make scopes that would survive handgun shooting. A high power air gun will tear apart a scope that can survive regular use on a 458 Winchester elephant gun. True.
Best way to describe this is imagine accelerating from 0 to 600 mph in an instant, turning on a dime, accelerating to 500 mph in the opposite direction, and slamming to a stop on a concrete barrier. That's what every shot does to scopes and action screws.
Blue loctite the screws if there's even a HINT of movement anywhere. This includes scope mounts. Sometimes its even necessary to put powdered resin in the scope rings to keep the scope from sliding in the rings.
As for a bracket on the rear of the action - the screw is best because a bracket would cause harmonic vibration with every shot. Not good for accuracy.
Probably would have been better to return to gun for refurbishing. Could easily have other issues just from shooting with a loose action screw.
Thanks Kirk. Appreciate the info/advice. Nice to have someone actually say something constructive.
Was going to say tighten the screw holding the stock in place (trigger guard) then BLUE loctite her, but everyone else beat me to it. FYI quit slapping your barrels around cocked or not. Treat your rifles well practice and they will serve you well.
That can be fixed easily, loose screws near the trigger guard. Take it apart and tighten that up.. But the biggest problem is like you said, "160 bucks", or however cheap it was.. Plus the Crosman people not knowing what to do.. You would have to spend around $500 or so to get something like an RWS Diana 350 magnum, if you really wanted high quality at a fair price.
+Trevor Jameson Trevor, I found the screw I didn't see anything in the manual about it and like I said Crosman wasn't helpful. A viewer on CZcams told me about it and I tightened it up and everything looks good it's just been too cold for me to go out and sight it in. I'm planning a follow up as soon as I get a break in the weather to see how it holds up. As far as the RWS gun goes...do you own one? I checked them out and it looks like something I might put on my wishlist.
Yeah hopefully the weather will cooperate for you.. I'll be looking forward to seeing your follow up on it.. I do like crosman products; I have a 2100, an old 766, and a 2300 pistol, all are very good.. And yes, I do own an RWS 460 magnum. I bought it back in '12, and shoot it quite often. The power is great and the accuracy is second to none, even past 50 yards. And the trigger is absolutely fantastic, I have never felt a trigger like that before, silky smooth and very light pull.. Takes a little getting used to though. But it is of the highest quality, that's for sure.
What batteries are in the laser pointer
2:00 I wonder why is coming loose
blue loctite dude.....all spring/gas rams need it on rear trigger guard screw and barrel pivot screws....along with all scope mounting screws......please dont do videos about nonexistant problems.
Dude.....is that in the manual?
i dont have a problem with mine
Do not listen to Tree Climber. Do not use 'red' thread locker. Use the blue. Does the job perfectly and if you ever need to take it apart, you can.
Whenever I get a new firearm I always disassemble them check them out clean Lube thread lock I'm all nuts and bolts and screws especially the scope I let it sit overnight then I take it out try the gun out that way I've always had good luck
Ha! Me too! You have too! Even used guns! I got my Benjamin Prowler for $99. My advice if you want accuracy, use wad cutters NOT Piranhas...
First thing before firing the first shot, get to know the gun completely! Duh! I wonder how many people buy a gun and shoot first without inspecting it?
Probably most & they are called Millennials! I'm a Boomer, we are the last group of non-victims in the world!
Flat Rock Fox! I’m guessing most people that buy a new break barrel for $99 bucks are putting a pellet through before they clean that barrel. Knowing how to use it is one thing but you make it sound like it should be field stripped like a firearm. You know kids get these for presents and if I’m giving my son his first pellet rifle and he goes to work with an Allen wrench before shooting it we got problems
I have the np trail its been a great rifle. Tighten the rear screw at the trigger guard. Or send it back. I have had seen a lot of break barrels these guns will shoot with the high dollar English and German rifles.. Get the Charlie da Tuna trigger and the Primere Ultra mag pellets and you will have a shooter.
+Ryan Albright Thanks Ryan, appreciate info and post
look in the hole in the trigger guard there's a screw you need to tighten.
You're right I had found it and a little bit of thread lock seemed to solve the problem Still feel they should have a bracket over the barrel as there is a lot of torque applied when cocking gun/breaking barrel imo - once that was solved have started to really like gun now thanks for post
I agree with that a barrel band would have been a lot more dependable.
Isn't that the trigger adjustment screw?
There's guns have such a shock wave..I have an F4 and all the screws come loose.Its just part of shooting and maintenance ....cheers...........
LOL tighten the finger guard screws ahaha
i was going to say the same thing lol
Your are sure not a master of guns in general
i just bought 22.air rifle haven't hade a chance to 🔥 it yet.
there it a very small Philips screw in the tiger gard and 2 larger ones out side of it I took mine out tonight and saw three holes on the internals of the gun
+William Miller the rear large screw holds down the rear of the barrel the small screw is a trigger adjust the front screw is a short screw that holds the guard in place There isn't any other screws I am going to shoot a video where I show this I'll post the link when it's up
same thing happened to my Benjamin trail np...eventually it blew off throwing pieces of wood and I tightened all of the screws on the gun also be fore use
+Rj Flores I tightened the screw by the trigger and it pulled the barrel back into the stock, I haven't shot it since then to see if that corrected it. What your saying is your barrel came loose from the stock and threw wood pcs or are you saying your piston chamber exploded?
Ohhhhh yea I don't think I tightened the screw behind the trigger...I think that's what caused the explosion...the screw stripped the wood and split it with the force of me cocking every time
+Rj Flores Ok thanks for letting me know. I feel like they started off building a good gun but then they cut some corners or the designer/engineer had a bad day or something. My son has a Gamo rifle and it's been shot a ton and nothing is coming loose like this. I'll post a video after I've shot it a bit and see if this fixes it. If you call Crosman maybe they will do something for you, worth a try.
should just be a loose screw by trigger ...how do you like it i have a np trail but i hate the stock ...looking to get np2 with same guts but different stock
+carlatjoses I can't believe I missed the screw but I'm going to take a look at it. I haven't had time lately to mess with it but if I can get the loose barrel problem taken care of I absolutely love the gun. It's got some good knock down power, it's quiet and it feels like a high end rifle. I called crosman and they couldn't figure out what the problem was over the phone. I kind of felt like the girl I was talking to was a receptionist pretending to be tech support though. If that's the case they really need to improve their customer service experience
There’s a screw where the trigger is for the back
I wonder how he ever made out with that screw.
Tighten the screw at the rear of the trigger guard (the stock screw, not the trigger adjustment screw.)
Thanks Dylan I got it squared away and really like the gun am looking at an NP2 for my next purchase
I had eventually read that.... after I commented.
The crosman fire is pretty Damn nice, I do believe it's one of the np2.
yes is missing the receiver to the screw on back of the trigger
It wasn't missing it was loose. I actually like this gun a lot and will be doing an updated review on it. Depending on what ammo you shoot depends on accuracy of the gun. Just like any gun I guess
The scope is not mounted to the barrel, the scope is mounted to the piston cylinder and action. The barrel pivots on a bolt at the front of the piston cylinder the only thing that’s attached to that barrel is maybe if you have the model where it has a front sight and a rear site attached to the dove tail mounting position. As for that rifle there is hey screw behind the trigger that goes through the stock in into and adapter that also holds the trigger to the piston tube. Titan that bolt problem solved. I got a question for you. Had the rifle Benjamin trail NP 2 SBD have owned it for year and a half shoes great I move out to the new house because of the divorce no one touches my rifles by the way they were gingerly carried in my vehicle not a moving van to the new house shoot grade at the new house two weeks ago it started shooting hi in to the right I have gone through that rifle as I am a semi trained gunsmith and I have checked all of the nuts bolts screws I have checked the piston I have checked the Traeger I readjusted the Traeger that didn’t make any improvements and no matter what I do with two separate scopes one that I bought for the rifle when I bought it and a brand new scope right out of the box both scopes have to be bottomed out all the way down on elevation and all the way to the left on the windage no matter what I’ve done to this thing it still shoots hi and to the right what the hell is going on??????
Your screw behind the trigger is broke or striped.
Have checked the stock screw at the trigger end?
yes, the screw that goes through the trigger tightens it. I have fixed the problem so far and really enjoy shooting this gun. Looking to get an NP2
What i do if to front screws keep breaking on the barrel
buy new ones? how the fuck are you breaking the screws?
I just bought mine today for $100 at Walmart. It only included the scope. No laser or flashlight.
If your barrel starts to come up now you'll know what to do. :-) other than that it's a good gun. Play around with the pellets, I find the 14-16 grain seem to run truer. imo
Why does it break so easily??
I hope that by now, you would have figured it out that the Rear trigger guard bolt (with a Phillips head) is /was LOOSE. It would have been embarrassing to return it to Crosman for something That simple.... Unless, you finally did try to tighten it, only find out the receiver threads were stripped... which may also have been a possibility, though doubtful.... or, the bolt itself may have had undercut threads, or partially stripped.
I own a gamo whisper pro and it's a beautiful gun it's my coyote killer my brother has the same one as you and has no problems with it
cool and how does he break it? since I'm an idiot I'd love to see the right way
there sure as hell ain't no need to smack it the way you do and I apologize for saying your an idiot on my part that was wrong and he sure as hell don't smack it
Ok, apology accepted. You're a good man. :-)
Next time you're out with him try his out. It's a tough break on it. It's interesting to hear you shoot coyotes with your whisper pro. I raise chickens and a few weeks back I saw what I thought was a coyote off in the distance behind my coop. My first thought was I may have to do something about this and my second thought was I'm probably going to need something with faster reload time than my pellet gun. Do you carry a back up or just keep yourself off the ground? I'm assuming with a pellet gun your after a headshot as well?
I will do and let you know what I think of it. the whisper pro is a very good good it'll kill a coyote but with the right pelletes and a good shot but over all very good gun. most guns like mine take about 42 pounds of pressure to break you take care and once again my apologies
Eric Lucero The gun was already cocked... notice the anti bear trap with the barrel swinging like that? That’s how you’re supposed to cock a break barrel anyway... whack it and grab the barrel in one smooth motion. That’s what breaks it. You should see my Sig ASP20 if you think that’s hard.
O.K. Now I'm getting the answer I'm looking for.Thanks to ( Burb Billy and Eric Coovert ) I will try the heavy 11.9 grain pellet and shortened the target.
+Tom Gargano I'll look for the heavier grain as well. thanks
thanks for the info minfs about 2 years old
Surprisingly high quality
ok had the same problem. i removed the stock from the gun itself. where the back trigger screw goes in behind the trigger there is a bracket the screws into the spring housing which tends to loosen. use a cressent wrench to tighten it the reassemble. problem solved.
+james soper a viewer pointed out a screw by the trigger, I tightened it and it pulled the rear of the barrel in, looks like it fixed it. Once i get a break in the weather I want to run a couple hundred shots through it, see if it holds and then I'll get a video up. Mine was a phillips head screw not a bolt or anything. I'll show you when I do the vid
+The Burb Billy....... What "james soper" is trying to tell you.. is just what he said... remove the gun from the stock, and up INSIDE and Above where the trigger guard is, there is an elongated Hex nut that the Phillips headed bolt threads Into. That elongated nut, threads INTO the action.... and as "james" mentioned to you... they can (and do) come loose.
Even if your tightening of the rear trigger has "fixed" your issue.... I would still remove the stock and double check the retaining nut.
The best thing to do is.... remove the stock, remove the hex nut.... and put a couple of drops of Loctite "BLUE" (do NOT put Loctite "RED" on the threads... you will Not get it apart again, if you ever need to) on the nut threads, wait for about 30 seconds, then thread the nut back into the action using a proper size box end wrench.
Next.... repeat with All the other attachment bolts... at the trigger group, and at the front of the stock... with the Loctite "BLUE".... which you can acquire at Any auto parts store.... and even some Hardware stores, carry it.
There are also some "big box" store's that carry it, as well as places like "Harbor Freight", etc..... HOWEVER... there are other "Brands" out there, that sell "Blue" (and "Red") thread sealer / locker's, as well.... "some" of them are just "repackaged" ("off branded") Loctite... produced By Loctite..... but, Unless you actually know the "source" of any labels, product..... stay away from them.... and stick with Loctite... they "Work"... "IF" used as Instructed to do so.
The "Blue" acts as a "vibration inhibitor".... helping the bolt to retain its torque value, and stay in place.
I have this gun it’s alright you just have to tighten the fore stock and trigger guard screws after about 200 shots
A bro how do I oil the gun it says compression chamber but idk which one that is
There is 2 or 3 holes
Thanks
Lock tight the screw behind the trigger guard
I have one of this with 2 years and i doesnt have any problem
I would like to add my opinion on air guns. They are like all other guns, and what I mean by that is you have to look at how you are setting them up. I have several adult air rifles that I own and they have all had some kind of hump you have to get over. All of mine have had a break in period, from as little as 250 rounds and others up to 500 rounds. One in particular I wanted to chunk in the trash! Now is my favorite. Calm down and run one can of pellets through it. I shoot Crosman first. Then start running 3-5 shots from as many different styles and weights ( keep it scientific) loosen your grip and let her jump. Hint the Benjamin Varmiter .22 likes RWS Super Dome. But each gun is different. Upgrade the scope to a CenterPoint 4x16x40 OA from Walmart it's one of the only scopes for the money that will keep zero on Gas Ram and Spring powers rifles. Garza Outdoors.
+Garza Outdoors I'm workin' on getting it over that "hump" lol appreciate you taking the time to share your experience/knowledge will keep putting rounds through it. the gun falling apart in my hands threw me for a curve though. Now I keep a close eye on the rear of the barrel when I shoot
theres a screw under by the trigger hole
It happens to all of them, lil locktight and snugging.
That is not a gap... That is a canyon xD
Read the instruction Burbilly!
I'm having a hell of a time with accuracy on this air rifle.( Benjamin Genesis.22 cal air rifle) It don't hold true. The shot is all over the target, first I thought it was me, so I keep shooting more round,than I switched to a another scope and the results was the same. Is it gun or the pellet (.22cal. Premier Hollow point by Crosman)?? Is anyone else's having this issue? Need to know,thanks!!
+Tom Gargano I was having the same problem with mine but I think it was this loose barrel issue. When I'd go to sight it in I'd think I had it then it'd move over 3 inches lol About how far are you shooting? 100ft? 60ft?
+Tom Gargano My Benjamin Trail Np was very bad new, all over the place. Long break in period. I shot a few tins of pellets and now very accurate.
That's good to hear, mine seems to be improving some as well, still a little splayed out but at least they are going in the right direction. Are you still using the crosman hollow points or did you switch to another pellet? I have seen some heavier grains I wanted to try but the price goes up quite a bit.
+The Burb Billy (The Burbbilly) Mostly crosman pellets. Point of impact changes a lot with JSB heavies and H&N crow magnums. Just changed the trigger with the washer mod and totally happy with this set up. Wouldn't get rid of this rifle for anything. Maybe not a bench shooter but a quiet, reliable, Hunter that loves cheap ammo.
ok thank you
It has 3 screws holding the barrel. Tighten the rear one. Problem solved.
Tighten all screws, that will fix the problem.. If your having issues with accuracy its just like any rifle, you need to figure out what pellets it likes to shoot then stick with those. also clean and lube them.. also clean the boar really well with JB boar cleaner.
+Adam Machelski Thanks Adam, I'll give it a shot
+The Burb Billy..... In response to what "Adam Machelski" suggested...... I would NOT use ANY firearms cleaners in your air rifle... NEVER, and irregardless of the brand. Air rifles are NOT "firearms".... and the rifling in the barrels are very "shallow".... and especially with the "lower and lower / mid range" ( sub - $100 to mid - $200 range)... and NEVER, EVER... use a "bore brush" in an air rifle's barrel..... "Why"??..... because as I stated previously... the rifling is VERY shallow and the barrels are of "soft" low carbon steel.... between a "bore brush" and (made for firearms) barrel and breach cleaners... you WILL destroy the rifling in any, airgun.
To clean an air rifle barrel (or, pistol / revolver), just get some "GOO GONE", and apply it to a bore "patch" (Soft CLOTH)..... (or, however many it takes, until it comes out CLEAN).... about the ONLY time you will need to do this, is when you get the gun (New) and it is filled with "preservative" oils from the factory to ensure "shelf life" without rusting, until it is sold..... and then after every several thousand shots, almost Never.
As far as "cleaning" pellets go.... these days, it's more "Myth" than "Fact"... which has its "roots" going back in time... 25+ years ago.... when pellets were Not of the same quality, as they are today.... there are a few "exceptions".... but, the Vast majority of the pellets today... do Not "need" (nor, benefit from) "cleaning".... and IF you (re: anyone) don't really know how to do it..... don't.... you "can" damage the skirting of Diabolo type pellets, Really Easily.
As far as "lubing" them.... many major branded pellets, today... have an impregnated "lubricant" that is "built into" them, on top of the fact, that lead itself... IS "self lubricating" and a small amount of lead "film" in the bore is actually desirable in airguns...... however, what "lubing" pellets will do.... is to cause "dieseling" of the pellet.... when the trigger is pulled, and the accelerated air column is pushed forth at tremendous force and speed... it causes a momentary and rapid "heating" of the air column.... sufficiently enough, that when the heated air reaches the rear of the pellet... and if there is ANY amount of lube (re: fuel) present at the rear of the pellet.... it will cause the "lube" to "ignite, momentarily..... generating extra force, pushing the pellet out of the barrel with greater force (FPS= Feet Per Second = velocity).
HOWEVER..... Too MUCH (and it does Not take much, to be TOO Much) "lube" will cause, "detonation" in the chamber... and can "backfeed" back to the piston and its seal.... and WILL cause damage to the airgun... and in extreme (and Documented) cases, have been known to cause physical injuries to the person shooting the gun, and in some cases.... severe.
Bottom line for lubing of pellets is..... 1) DON'T.... the "gains" in fps, really aren't worth it, not to mention risking injury to yourself and your gun...... and 2).. "IF" you really "insist on it"... then use a NON - COMBUSTIBLE (re: synthetic) lubricant..... NEVER USE.... COMBUSTIBLE lubricants for "pellet lubing".... or ANYWHERE in between, from forward of the piston seal to the pellet !!...... NEVER, EVER!!!
So, don't lube pellets. It is wise to double check all stock and scope hardware out of the box AND remember to check them once in awhile even if your rifle "seems fine". Definitely use blue loc-tite during reassembly. These rifles are simple, but unforgiving.
@@Romans--bo7br JB bore paste is NOT a "firearms" solvent , it's a mild abrasive paste ! It's to remove micro burs from the lands and grooves of the rifling . This procedure drastically reduces the accuracy break in period .
Benjamin Nitro piston is in the mail for tomorrow delivery and some good bullets 22 cal refurb like a sore weiner you can't Beat It he he he
Sometimes clouds look down on people and say... "Look that ones shaped like an idiot" .
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Screw behind trigger guard
Am going to see if my gun is doing that I that it was the scope
+Paul H Ford Paul I just shot a video on this, showing where to tighten and what it connects to inside the gun, will have it up this week. That said...I tightened mine up and ran maybe a couple hundred pellets through it and the barrel completely came undone on me. I didn't even notice it had come loose, I was focused on my shots and I thought they were going off because of the wind but the problem was the bolt coming loose. If you get to yours before I get the vid up try putting some thread lock on it because just tightening it doesn't seem to be enough.
tighten the screw by the trigger...not the adjustment screw
mine did the same thing and mine also came all the way apart.
mine didthe same thing and i paid 269 and im pist the gun is not even broke in.
i put around 400 pellets thru mine before all the screws started loosening up, take it apart, loctite everything, torque it down, let it sit for 24 hours for thel octite to cure
There shoyld be a screw in the trigger guard behind the trigger. The big screw, not the adjustment screw.
the screw behind the trigger is loose
Try too tighten the screw where the trigger guard is its up in the trigger guard
+dontemcf ok ill give that a try, thank you!
check out the benjamin steel eagle .22 it's a much better gun with the same feel I have one it's extremely accurate and will kill an armadillo in one shot with the right pellet it's the Jim Shockley edition and cost a little more than $160 but we'll worth it
Will do, thanks for the advice/help
I have Benjamin steel eagle. 22 and yes indeed very nice,payed $129 .Hammers 3×9×32AO
By the trigger there is a screw
like he said..the screw on the back of the trigger gard...then put lock tiet on it
+Eric Schwartz Will do I have retightened it a few times and it keeps coming loose, crosman is no help they say it can't be a design issue because all of their guns are built this way. I can't believe they would rely on that one screw holding the barrel in against the torque from the piston being cocked. thanks for the post i'll let you know if it works
Wow that's crazy...so its only screws on one side of the gun? If so that makes me disappointed in crossman
+Eric Schwartz I'm going to do a video showing how it's put together because of the problems I've had with it but yea it's one screw in the back and two in the front. The problem is these piston guns take a lot of torque to get them cocked so it puts pressure on the rear of the barrel from what I can see. There is only one screw there and it comes loose. I am planning on pulling it apart, shooting a vid and then putting it back together again with lock tite and see what happens.
I was shooting about 80' is it too far this air rifle?
+Tom Gargano I wouldn't think so, that's about where I'd sight in. around 30 yards(90 feet) is a good sight in point for a pellet gun in my opinion, I'm sure someone will jump on here and have a different thought but the way I see it they are not a bullet, a .22 is usually around a 40 grain and pellets are not much more than 10-15 grain and whatever they claim it moves at in FPS it probably goes a bit slower. Any wind will factor heavily in as well. Also if you're using it for hunting around 100 feet is a good kill zone, much more than that (150 feet plus) and I'd be concerned for ability to kill cleanly. just a thought...is your barrel seated snuggly on the stock? I found mine had a slight gap in the back and it was caused by a loose screw by the trigger.
+Tom Gargano Tom after we chatted here I went out and shot my gun, put about 100 rounds through it. At 75 feet it was all over the place, I moved it in 30 feet and Boom! i was hitting. Check this out and then see if you have the same experience. I'd love to know if this is just my gun or everyone czcams.com/video/uCH_kOW1zeU/video.html
thanks
+The Burb Billy (The Burbbilly) I sight my Hatsan 125 which is chambered in .22 in at 18 yards, that gives it the flattest trajectory when using the 18.13 grain JSB Jumbo HEavy pellets, which happen to be the most accurate out of my gun. Hatsan advertises 1,000 fps. for their .22 cal 125 model, with lead pellets. The difference between Hatsan and other brands is that they measure their velocities with lead pellets, not lead free pellets like the competition. My Hatsan 125 shoots 11.9 grain RWS Hobby pellets, which are lead pellets, out the muzzle at a ten shot average velocity of just over 1,010 fps., giving it 26.98 fpe. It also belts the 18.13 grain JSB Exact Jumbo Heavies out the muzzle at a ten shot average velocity of 893 fps., yielding 32.11 fpe. at the muzzle. Hatsans seem to prefer heavier pellets for maximum muzzle energy. I only bring this up to point out that there is at least one brand that does not over state their muzzle velocities.
Probably the worst when it comes to overstating their muzzle velocities is Gamo. They claimed their Hunter Extreme would shoot .177 pellets out the muzzle at 1,650 fps. when in actuality, the muzzle velocities were closer to 1,1520 fps. and that's with their extremely light PBA. pellets which only weigh 5.4 grains. If that 1650 fps. they claim were true, that would yield 32.65 foot pounds of energy, which would would make it the most powerful production break barrel air rifle ever. If you use the more accurate figure of 1,521 fps., you would get 27.75 foot pounds of energy, which is still quite impressive, but a far cry from 32.65 foot pounds. Gamo air rifles seem to produce the highest amount of energy with the lightest of pellets, but when lead pellets with more typical weights are used, the muzzle energy drops significantly. Here are some examples. RWS Hobby .177 cal. 7.0 grains @ 1195 fps. = 22.20 fpe. and Crosman Premier .177 cal 7.9 grains 1118 @ fps. = 21.93 fpe. Keep in mind, these are .177 caliber pellets.
Though it is true that most manufactures exaggerate their muzzle velocities, most are not as far off as the Gamo example, and at least one brand is right on, as per chrony. tests.
+Eric Coovert Thank you Eric! I'm going to copy this post onto my other video, lots of good info here. Appreciate it!
Send it back have them check the new one before they ship to you!!!! Screw is missing or stripped wud be my guess.
nice videos.
Thanks Dan :-)
Lol
mind is caught but won't shot
5 years later my prowler was $104 plus tax
Same bro
@@gregorye4777 the 5 year warranty is pretty sweet and crosman customer service is great
You probably pay a buck $140 for that if you wouldn't got the Benjamin prowler for $76 it's the same exact thing it's when they advertise that they changed the names
med blue loc tite on every thing
There should be a sign at MANY airgun factories! The loc-tite is cheap, this is ridiculous!
Bro... 🤦... Tighten ALL of the mount screws...
I did... it seems you have to loctite them
Lol big ass screw right by the trigger guard on the bottom.
screw the screw, Duck tape the dam thing
lol i'll give that a go :-)
The screw that is by the trigger guard dude come on.
Bedding screws are loose lol.
Set screws are loose
a pellet gun is to dangerous for this genius to be shooting! lol
in the way you are using the word, to should be too....just sayin :-)
indeed its not BAAAHAHAHAHA. Google grammer 101 on two/too/to The Burb Billy lol
Hahahaha...
Wow
Screws loose use lock tight
I have never been happy with any break bbl ever . They all suck . A bbl must be immovable in a fixed position to be consistant and accurate .
Everyone gave this guy hell but, in all honesty he should have moved his background more to the computer side and less of the tool bench side...
Sounded like he said Caliper instead of Caliber
hahaha hah this Maes me laugh there is 2 screws inside the trigger gard to tighten that
+William Miller William I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. The screw in the rear of the guard tightens the barrel. The one in the front holds the guard itself. The screw right behind the trigger is for trigger adjustments. Maybe you own a different gun?
hey the prowler is a piece of crap, same with the crosman venom. cant keep scope mount from moving, its striped the rear mounting screw, tried lock tite blue on all bolts with in ten shots they were loose, tryed all kinds of scope mounts and nothing keeps it from moving. throw the piece of crap away.
If I pay for the shipping would you send it to me? I know how to mount scopes on that rifle. Never yet found an airgun where I couldn't stabilize the scope. If you have a good airgun store nearby (I happen to own one in California) take it to them and let them take a pass at it. To condemn a rifle because you have issues with the scope mounting is kind of odd; really has nothing to do with the rifle performance (unless in the effort to make a mounting work the dovetail got damaged. Even that can be corrected). On the other hand the Venom is a piece of junk and always has been. Never saw a single reviewer who knew anything about airguns who didn't say so. Can't even imagine why they are still on the market.
Oh silly billy
Seriously just tighten the action screws, not that hard, it moves it needs tightening, it's not rocket science...
I have this same exact gun. Not very happy with it at all. It’s heavy… It’s harder to cock...And its ACCURACY leaves MUCH to be desired!! I even tried five different brands of pellets…NONE of them shoot what would be considered adequate groups. I’ve been shooting guns my entire life. I’m a pretty decent shot. I utilized a solid benchrest, and exercised good site alignment and trigger control. BAD ACCURACY. I personally wouldn’t recommend it.
Jim Bigboystoys, read all these comments. Check everything and clean the barrel. Try many more brands and types of pellets. Round head is usually the most accurate at distance. JSB 15.89 and 18 gr. are accurate in a lot of guns.