Mythology, Autism, and Star Trek's "Darmok"

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  • @Guilleme
    @Guilleme Před rokem +122

    Nice thing about Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra is that when you say it to someone, and they understand the reference, it confirms the point of Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.

  • @EDSKaR
    @EDSKaR Před 2 lety +473

    "I am an android on a witness stand, pleading with you to believe in my personhood. Frankensteins monster in the forest. The silkie's child, her toes webbed. Enkidu cursing on his deathbed. I have seen the acorn before the oak, the egg before the hen but never the likes of this."
    That hit hard.

    • @durvids474
      @durvids474 Před rokem +15

      One of the most beautiful sentences I've ever heard.

    • @irrelevant_noob
      @irrelevant_noob Před rokem +9

      8:47

    • @charlie.on.youtube
      @charlie.on.youtube Před rokem +16

      I Juliet-on-the-balcony this so much.

    • @RamBam3000
      @RamBam3000 Před rokem +24

      Roy Batty at the end of Blade Runner, accepting his mortality after having saved Deckard's life, when he had no reason to, and many reasons to let Deckard die.

    • @nathandc
      @nathandc Před rokem +6

      ​@@RamBam3000Like Tears in Rain. We are blessed that Hauer chose to edit and improve the speech to what it became in that moment.

  • @AstridLundberg
    @AstridLundberg  Před 2 lety +576

    Ok here’s the actual take: The second half of Gilgamesh is TNG. The FIRST half of Gilgamesh, aka “the adventures of king jackass and his advisor/boyfriend who doesn’t know how to human,” is obviously TOS.

    • @scottoconnell1581
      @scottoconnell1581 Před 2 lety +39

      Yes! I love that!
      Also, found you here specifically for this; you are intensely skilled at this communicating thing in this medium, probably even when you don't think you hit the mark.
      Thank you for putting this into words.
      Ogma of the Irish, his words carved in stone.

    • @dustind4694
      @dustind4694 Před 2 lety +18

      ...You're not wrong.

    • @therubicon
      @therubicon Před 2 lety +36

      Whenever I tell my daughters things I always talk in tamarian. Time to go I say "Mirab his sails unfurled" shuddup sounds better saying "the River Tamarc in Winter!" Sounds far better.. much better.

    • @belgaerthethinker
      @belgaerthethinker Před rokem +17

      Is there anywhere you've posted more about Gilgamesh? I would love to hear you infodumping about it.

    • @Julia-jk4hw
      @Julia-jk4hw Před rokem +4

      So true actually

  • @msthalamus2172
    @msthalamus2172 Před rokem +177

    "Really easy to speak and very, very hard to communicate." I think you just summed up one of my son's greatest struggles better than anyone. Thank you for that. :)

    • @marlaerwin3610
      @marlaerwin3610 Před rokem +4

      This resonates SO MUCH with me too. ❤

    • @laplantebelle
      @laplantebelle Před rokem +3

      I was literally just typing out this quote. I am wrecked.

    • @DrunkDoglol
      @DrunkDoglol Před 6 měsíci

      That's what usually happens when you let the State raise your kids.

    • @WillyShankspeare
      @WillyShankspeare Před 4 měsíci

      @@DrunkDoglol The State tends to do a better job than people ranting about the state in random CZcams comments sections that have nothing to do with politics.
      Like, no. Parents SHOULDN'T have 100% control over their kids. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Insane people have kids. Stupid people have kids. Sociopaths have kids.

  • @davidrodriguez4951
    @davidrodriguez4951 Před rokem +10

    … I’m in South Texas, the middle of nowhere, and I’m watching a segment you put up a year ago, called mythology, autism, and Star Trek’s Darmok… I think what you have to say is very insightful. I’m glad you’re so young to realize what’s going on in Star Trek. I hope you’re watching the new version with Captain Pike because many of those episodes are very deep…🖖🏼

  • @hemaccabe4292
    @hemaccabe4292 Před rokem +13

    Darmok was one of TNG's best episodes. ST always used the dodge of the Universal Translator so they could get right to the conversation, but establishing communication would have been the first and hardest chore with each new meeting. The alien language shouldn't have been that hard to decipher, but it gave a one episode, simplified experience of trying to work someone's language out.

    • @willf.4590
      @willf.4590 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Watching Darmok got me interested in linguistics, which got me into playing Chants of Sennaar. It's not to be missed.

    • @hemaccabe4292
      @hemaccabe4292 Před 6 měsíci

      @@willf.4590 I invite all my fellow Trekkers and you particularly to enjoy an unauthorized novel completely free. Just google Star Trek Lost Destiny Race.

    • @user-qw5uc7fr6m
      @user-qw5uc7fr6m Před 18 dny +1

      Google translate is so stupid it can't even get Spanish right.

    • @hemaccabe4292
      @hemaccabe4292 Před 18 dny +1

      @@user-qw5uc7fr6m Hopefully, it will get better in 300 years or so?

  • @DerHammerSpricht
    @DerHammerSpricht Před rokem +28

    I'm a film editor and also neuroatypical and I love the way you communicate through EDITING and it gets gears turning in my brain about how to represent the experience of people like us.

  • @deshondixon322
    @deshondixon322 Před 2 lety +88

    Wow. As a Star Trek fan, and a person who loves mythology, that was really...really good. You have a gift for story telling. I enjoyed this video. Thank you for making it.

  • @primarybufferpanel4468
    @primarybufferpanel4468 Před rokem +248

    "I have found it very easy to speak but hard to communicate" is such a profound and important thing to hear as someone who very much has this issue.
    I could talk for hours but actually getting through to the other person can be like pulling teeth. You're definitely going to be someone I quote with what you said.

    • @HeatGeek1
      @HeatGeek1 Před rokem

      I think most of us humans have that problem, or something like it.

    • @MegaLotusEater
      @MegaLotusEater Před rokem

      I dont get it. She communicates v well as far as I can see?

    • @HeatGeek1
      @HeatGeek1 Před rokem +1

      @@MegaLotusEater speaking your mind does not always mean you are understood. For some even a small gap can seem to be a large chasm. The goal of communication is to be understood.

    • @MegaLotusEater
      @MegaLotusEater Před rokem

      @@HeatGeek1 But she's easily understandable?

    • @jospenner9503
      @jospenner9503 Před rokem +1

      ​@@MegaLotusEater It depends on the audience. You may have to adapt your speech in order to effectively communicate with the listener. My question is, are autistic people incapable or unwilling to adapt?

  • @sharpbends
    @sharpbends Před rokem +5

    At tanugra, his arms wide open. One of Startrek's finest moments, so profound. Thank you

  • @VoltaGhost
    @VoltaGhost Před 2 lety +123

    This was my favorite episode as well…my favorite part of the episode is when Picard talks to the Tamarian ship at the end…he delivers the lines with such passion that you can tell what he means just through the his tone and emotion in the words.

  • @ryderj.5169
    @ryderj.5169 Před 2 lety +94

    I was brought here by my love for both Star Trek TNG and ancient mythology. Love your thoughts on this episode. It’s one of my favourites as well. My absolute favourite episode is “The Inner Light,” where Picard lives a whole other person’s lifetime.
    Thanks for your musings on this!

    • @Siddich
      @Siddich Před rokem +5

      yeah. Star Trek TNG is sooooo fantastically good. exactly those episodes you mentioned were so great.

    • @johncass2441
      @johncass2441 Před rokem +2

      @@Siddich sure

    • @MarinCipollina
      @MarinCipollina Před rokem +12

      "Inner Light" was remarkably well conceived and well written, it was brilliant conceptually.

  • @TXWatson
    @TXWatson Před 2 lety +17

    Just watched Darmok on your recommendation, wrote like two pages of notes on it, then came back to re-watch your video about it. I also cried at the scene where Picard reflects on the Tamarian captain being willing to die for a chance to communicate.

  • @briansmaller7443
    @briansmaller7443 Před rokem +3

    I find it touching that this old tv show made probably before you were born touched you so profoundly. THis was an excellent video and thank you for making it.

  • @djcjr1x1
    @djcjr1x1 Před 2 lety +36

    Thank you for helping me understand my autistic teenager's love of storytelling in his interests. I have always loved that episode of TNG and now I see it's another in a long line of things that have prepared me for the journey of understanding I've had with my son. ❤️

    • @AstridLundberg
      @AstridLundberg  Před 2 lety +15

      the comments on this video are so wonderful and touching, and this one is no exception. It’s an honor to be part of helping you understand your son ❤️ thank you

  • @HaloInverse
    @HaloInverse Před rokem +10

    "...I have always found it really easy to speak, and very, very hard to _communicate."_ ...the most relatable thing I've heard in some time. The (di/tri)lemma I struggle with is: if I summarize too much, the "blanks" get filled in wrong by listeners who don't share my context - but if I clarify too much, I can't express a complete thought before the listener's attention span runs out. Either way, assumptions get made, and they're often the opposite of what I'm intending to communicate. I feel there _must_ be a middle ground, but it's hard to find on-the-spot in real-time.

  • @monsieurcommissaire1628
    @monsieurcommissaire1628 Před rokem +4

    "Darmok" is one of my favourite TNG episodes, and has moved me to tears many times. So often what is in our hearts and minds is betrayed by the limits of our ability to communicate. This fact is illustrated powerfully in "Darmok". Picard's eventual breakthrough is triumphant yet terribly bittersweet. Great performances all around. When Picard tells of the fate of the other captain- who had, in that short time, become his friend- "Shaka, when the walls fell.", the emotion in his voice is palpable.
    You are quite brilliant. I enjoyed this a great deal. Forgive me if I'm being shallow here, but I wish to respectfully state the obvious, that you are rather beautiful. There's the beauty one is born with, and there is the beauty one earns by what they become. You have both.

    • @julie.1081
      @julie.1081 Před 2 měsíci

      I think you said that perfectly.

  • @rooramblingon895
    @rooramblingon895 Před rokem +3

    3:56 "My ADHD and autism present that I've always found it easy to speak and very very hard to communicate." 😲😲😯😯
    THAT hit me personally.

  • @iddydoo
    @iddydoo Před 2 lety +114

    Growing up i always was able to see myself in doctor who and is the reason its stuck with me so long. So much of me is built from thousands of hours hyperfixating on the doctor and their maneurisms and social interactions obsessing over their morals and feeling seen when no one else saw me. I rarely do something without thinking of the doctor and rarely have a conversation i cant tie into doctor who somehow (something that has caused me trouble in the past). I dont know where im going with this so ill just say that this video means a lot to me and is so well put together and i absolutely love it ❤

    • @iddydoo
      @iddydoo Před 2 lety +14

      I dont know how much of this comment makes sense or if its appropriate at all ive had a rough day im sorry

    • @AstridLundberg
      @AstridLundberg  Před 2 lety +24

      So glad it spoke to you ❤ this is exactly why I talk about this stuff!

    • @AskanHelstroem
      @AskanHelstroem Před rokem +6

      first of all...I feel u... I also write (much longer, and much more confusing) such comments xD most of the time, just for me. To write it of my hugr.
      But one thing I want to know... How the heck does the doctor got u in trouble???
      I mean, our entire discord channel thinks in quotes...omg...we r tamarians

    • @off6848
      @off6848 Před rokem +3

      @@AskanHelstroem How do you experience something new if every concept is meta referential?

    • @fredwood1490
      @fredwood1490 Před rokem +4

      An important part of doctor Who is change. The Doctor changes, now and then, a new body, new mind, new relationships, not so different adventures and a simple philosophy, it was always a Kid's show, it teaches things about life. We all change as we grow and sometimes we want to be someone totally different, but, like the Doctor, the most basic part of us, our root morality, stays the same, even grows stronger. The original doctor was a bit of a spoiled jerk, by the time we get to Max, the doctor's morality is set, but then comes Jodie and a totally different perspective and an overload of morality. I think the evolution of Missy is also about the evolution of the Doctor, he has loved the Master for a long time, but much like his own shadow, his own darker, inner self. Missy is allowed to be weak as the Master never was, and the Doctor in allowed to share her weakness and find long buried beauty. Aren't we all like that?

  • @quentincavell1527
    @quentincavell1527 Před 2 lety +70

    Your works mean so much to me. You about had me crying two or three times watching this earlier. More people need to see this and appreciate you ❤

  • @blakewinter1657
    @blakewinter1657 Před rokem +189

    Seven of Nine was always the most relatable character for me. She had emotions but she didn't get human culture.

    • @claudioproteo3039
      @claudioproteo3039 Před rokem +9

      Who really does? ☺️

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat Před rokem +6

      Maybe only Tuvok for me (if even, but I still highly admired Data and SoN, while definitely being able to get along well with SoN's highly autistic demeanor despite not being able to relate to her. Not surprising that I don't relate to them considering that I don't consider myself to have ASD at all. I just get along oddly well with such people.

    • @bobbobson6290
      @bobbobson6290 Před rokem +6

      she also was the most capable of the bunch
      she got shit done while the rest threw pajama parties

    • @davidrosoff3228
      @davidrosoff3228 Před rokem +5

      @@bobbobson6290 Well, they did all wear pajamas. 😄

    • @juliocesarpereira4325
      @juliocesarpereira4325 Před rokem +4

      I related to Spock from the beginning and when watching re-runs a admired this character even more in different ways. I also related to Data and 'Voyage' definetely became my favorite Star Trek series when Seven of Nine came up. She was the Spock and the Data that were missing. I relate to them everytime I feel isolated, not being part of aything and taking the view of an outsider.

  • @willydogdave
    @willydogdave Před 2 lety +32

    Astrid, I am in awe of you. You are so intelligent, so earnest. I will watch this video over and over to grasp the full depth of what you are saying about language and mythology. I am also in awe of the writers of this episode who not only invented a new language but a new principle by which a language may be constructed. What you have put before me has my head spinning.

  • @Davete
    @Davete Před 2 lety +32

    This was genuinely informative and beautiful Astrid. Thank you for sharing, can't wait for what you'll have installed

  • @TheChucklePluck
    @TheChucklePluck Před 2 lety +81

    There's something familiar in the way you communicate. This was absolutely wonderful! Thank you so much for sharing.

  • @adamnewton1616
    @adamnewton1616 Před 2 lety +4

    My most anticipated video of 2022

  • @techattack6803
    @techattack6803 Před rokem +54

    As soon as you explained the Tamarians' way of speaking, I realized how well it fits with current internet culture. A lot of us find it easier to connect with someone over a piece of fiction than over something like emotions or ideologies; it's sort of become the norm. We communicate via narratives and allegories. We might even literally go so far as saying "like when character A experienced this and that" in everyday conversation. Very cool video.

    • @alexmckee4683
      @alexmckee4683 Před rokem +17

      I don't think it is just internet culture. Historically well educated people of different backgrounds found it easier to communicate through references to classical literature. Think of how we communicate about things like computer "viruses": we use metaphors such as virus, worm and references such as Trojan [horse]. Orators through the centuries would use references to folklore, mythology and literature in their rhetoric talking of odysseys, describing colleagues as mercurial, foes as wolves in sheep's clothing, talking of the die being cast or the crossing of the Rubicon.
      Some of this is in-groupism, but more often the use of such references is because they are a much more succinct way of getting across a very particular point, a very well-refined semantic, to the person or people they were addressing. In that way modern meme culture is not revolutionary but evolutionary to a long-standing form of rhetoric.

    • @swedneck
      @swedneck Před rokem +7

      Wojak, his skin red and eyes filled with tears
      pepe, comfortable in a blankie

    • @cmstone5178
      @cmstone5178 Před rokem

      Our world, as it were, is informed by memes.

    • @duikmans
      @duikmans Před rokem +2

      Isn't an emoticon the simplest form of allegory?

    • @Cleromanticon
      @Cleromanticon Před rokem +1

      @@swedneck Dr. Jimes Tooper, his mind blown

  • @Scheater5
    @Scheater5 Před 2 lety +11

    This is beautiful. It reflects my own experience with folklore, Star trek, this specific episode, and discovering my own autism. This understanding of communication, of storytelling... It so resonates with my own understanding. And listening to you speak about things you find beautiful is, to me, beautiful.

  • @orionpax3535
    @orionpax3535 Před 2 lety +18

    Thank you for this. My son has autism and I am learning to understand him more every day. I love your videos. Keep up the hard work.

  • @comradewin7835
    @comradewin7835 Před 2 lety +39

    thank you for this analysis, you perfectly put into words a feeling i've had deeply, of the disconnect in communication with others and the importance of shared stories. I've cried many times at star trek, and while Darmok wasn't ever my favorite episode, you've definitely shown me its importance. Also that point about having anthropology as an interest because we're learning how to be a person.

  • @mtj.cynical
    @mtj.cynical Před 2 lety +5

    this is a beautiful video, just hearing you describe the episode made my eyes start to water. so eloquently spoken and explained in a way i could never be able to. thank you for sharing your amazing thoughts, you deserve more subscribers!

  • @vytas5584
    @vytas5584 Před rokem +2

    The link between neurodiverse fandom and the mythology-based comunication of the Tamarians in Star Trek is bloody genius

  • @alistairbaird3711
    @alistairbaird3711 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for bringing us all together, one step at a time. Spock was my guide in childhood and his eyebrow raise 'Fascinating' about human life, amongst other things, offered me a doorway to understand myself. Cheers me dear!

  • @StarrysLostandFound
    @StarrysLostandFound Před 2 lety +4

    This longer format video served your topic well. Thank you ☺️

  • @XM525754
    @XM525754 Před 2 lety +5

    Yes that was one of the very best episodes. My daughter told me that they watched that episode and discussed it in one of her university classes

  • @DoutorGonzo
    @DoutorGonzo Před rokem +1

    I am a 37-year-old father from a small town in northeastern Brazil. I have no idea how or why the CZcams algorithm brought me here. It was very strange, but I am extremely grateful because I loved your video and your personality. Consider yourself embraced! Peace! 🤗

  • @bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854

    shame this video has less than a thousand views I'm so glad the algorithm showed me it because this video was amazing I'm going to send that around as much as I can

  • @warriorwarrior6085
    @warriorwarrior6085 Před 2 lety +7

    I only got my ADHD diagnosis two years ago but I also totally relate to being a huge fan of a thing and communicating with people through fanhood of things. I also love psychology and Star Trek.

  • @lorehammer40k4
    @lorehammer40k4 Před rokem +5

    Hey, first video I've ever seen from you and I love the analysis you did here. Darmok was always up there with my favorite episodes of Star Trek and legitimately has the ability to make me cry because the Tamarians' desire to form a connection and communicate, even to the point that their captain is willing to sacrifice his life, is just so deeply human, and their inability to do actually do so is so relatable.
    One way I've always been weird compared to normal people is that I've never really been all that much of a "music person" but I've still always appreciated it's ability to convey emotion, often much more so than words to the point that the words themselves are often unimportant or unnecessary, and the same is essentially true of the Tamarian method of communication. I hope that including a link to another youtube video is alright and doesn't cause this comment to be blocked, but here's a link to a song about the story of Darmok and Jilad (written in the style of a Tamarian, of course) that you should really check out because I think it's such an effective melding of and demonstration of the ability for both music and the Tamarian style of contextless metaphor to do what all language was intended to do at it's most basic, to connect with someone else and share that emotion. It's actually a music video too that has some absolutely incredible stop motion work for a youtube video that makes it worth checking out on it's own.
    It ends with five words on screen that summarize the meaning of the story of Darmok and Jilad, the episode "Darmok", and so much of the human experience that always really get to me, "arriving separately, but leaving together."
    czcams.com/video/Jyrwlez9Lmo/video.html
    Thanks to anyone who actually took the time to read all that.

  • @kryptikt
    @kryptikt Před rokem +2

    8:48 - 9:05 the most beautifully woven together piece of wordsmith wonder that I have ever heard. Thank you.

  • @mbm8404
    @mbm8404 Před rokem +1

    “Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra” is one of the best TNG shibboleths.

  • @ReiEmeraldTakedo
    @ReiEmeraldTakedo Před rokem +4

    I actually felt like the second have of Gilgamesh was sort of meant to be the beginning of Gilgamesh taking the lessons of Enkidu into his life.
    In the first half, Enkidu is tricked into the human world, and it's kind of spoken of as if he's done something you're not supposed to. It's a taboo or some barrier you don't cross. But, he did. And as a result, he found someone who loved him (even platonically) in a way that he was willing to die to protect.
    In the second half, as Gilgamesh mourns, I forget exactly what it is that the old hag says to him, but I believe it's something to the effect of "did you love him, or did you love what he provided you?"
    When she tells him "only the sun crosses the sea" and he makes his promise to cross it, I always felt like that was him saying he was going to do what Enkidu did and grow beyond the limits he was handed, but on his own terms.
    Ultimately, Gilgamesh is a meant to be a sort of tourist attracting pamphlet to show how cool his city is above all of his neighbors, but I like to think the writers were at least trying to tell a story with more weight to it than that. That the humanity of our ancestors was translated into the stories they told each other.

  • @BeTheGuitar
    @BeTheGuitar Před rokem +3

    Wow! This is incredible. Darmok has always been one of my favorite things in all of television. Your unpacking of it was fascinating and moving. Thank you for giving us your thoughts and feelings on it. You’ve got a new subscriber.

  • @MatthewWithTwoTs
    @MatthewWithTwoTs Před 2 dny

    I keep watching this over and over and over again. It helps me to remember what is important.

  • @dondevice8182
    @dondevice8182 Před rokem +2

    Boy, I really get what you mean about Picard’s recounting of the Epic of Gilgamesh incorrectly , because that is exactly what I thought at the time - because I too care about the myth very much- But if you may be mistaken on that point… On the other hand, your perception of fandom in the way fans communicate to each other through cosplay, kabuki, and obscure references, that only they can get references to the stories in the characters that means so much to all of us Trekkies, Truly blew my mind and opened it to an entirely new idea InVision on the culture… Thank you!

  • @esoel
    @esoel Před 2 lety +3

    This is beautiful. Thank you for exposing me to so much information about myself and the world.

  • @EPDdavid
    @EPDdavid Před 2 lety +4

    I love your work and insight. This was one of your best. And yes I’m old enough to vividly remember that episode when it first premiered.

  • @darkacadpresenceinblood
    @darkacadpresenceinblood Před 3 měsíci

    that part about fandom and finding your identity through stories resonated with me so much... i have never known how to connect with other people directly, through my own experience. but pointing at a character and saying "look, that person is like me" is currently the closest i feel i can get to being understood. maybe that's why i have been creating stories, a mythology of my own mind in a way, since i was little... it's the only way i can understand my own self as well.

  • @Andrew-pr9xv
    @Andrew-pr9xv Před 2 lety +4

    Wow, OK, I don't know how I stumbled across this video, but I'm sure glad I did.
    What a fantastic video and such a deeply passionate study of that story.

  • @napalaprentice
    @napalaprentice Před rokem +4

    Darmok was and still is one of my absolute favorite episodes, right up there next to Inner Light

  • @mariecosmos4383
    @mariecosmos4383 Před 8 měsíci

    There is a part of me in this video. I am autistic and I see myself in your words. Thank you, you made me cry.

  • @vctr7524
    @vctr7524 Před 5 měsíci +1

    It is heartwarming that i'm not the only nerd dwelling on the philosophy behind star trek episodes... big heart for that

  • @driller1958
    @driller1958 Před 2 lety +17

    Science Fiction made a big difference to me. My favorite author was Robert Heinlein. Read Stranger in a Strange Land, The Moon is a Harsh mistress and Time Enough for Love and you will see three books that had a profound effect on me. The Dune series and works by Isaac Asimov affected me too.

    • @sharonoddlyenough
      @sharonoddlyenough Před rokem

      I wanted to be like Maureen when I grew up.

    • @MXB2001
      @MXB2001 Před rokem

      Solid Gold choices there. Thumbs up.

  • @michelelee1553
    @michelelee1553 Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you, Astrid, for this video. I loved everything about it. It spoke to me deeply, in words I have trouble finding for myself. And I cried for all who struggle to communicate and person, but also found true hope.

  • @BD-yl5mh
    @BD-yl5mh Před rokem +2

    That chain of metaphors you used at 8:48 was simply gorgeous

  • @pastor-tom-sims
    @pastor-tom-sims Před rokem

    Thank you for getting it, Astrid. For me, this has always been the most powerful of all the Star Trek myths which are always rich with mythology. To share a common story is somewhere near the heart of all communication and connection. "I think, therefore, I tell stories."
    Thank you for sharing your insights and poetic heart.

  • @lauragerson8576
    @lauragerson8576 Před 2 lety +3

    Astrid and Laura, watching Star Trek! I love you (and this!!!) so much friend!!

  • @BlackUniGryphon
    @BlackUniGryphon Před rokem +6

    I always sort of viewed the Darmok story as a planet of aliens that speak jive, which often is metaphors within metaphors, and they often would change over time, much like slang does, or cockney.
    Films like "Airplane" often depict people speaking mid 20th century Jive with regular people, and its pretty funny.
    I also recall an old 1940s cartoon 9tho I can't remember if it was by Disney or Warner Bros) in which a character is narrated entirely in Jive, but in the literal sense depicted in the imagery while telling the story, and when he's saying "I can't cut the mustard" which is an idiom meaning "I can't achieve my intended goal/result" but depicts the cartoon character literally trying to cut mustard on a plate and failing at it.
    However in Star Trek, they never made this commentary on language using humor nor comedy, they shifted it into a focus on the usage of language and ideas, and cultural differences, and made it more meaningful, and moving with a well written ending that's impactful, and philosophical. In some ways its like an Aesop Fable, but without animals, in uses Aliens and a Star Ship Captain to convey a kind of moral lesson at the end, and depicted the seemingly backwards alien culture to actually be highly advanced, wise, and high ideals of integrity, such as self sacrifice for a cause towards the greater good.
    its not surprising as to why people dislike religion, and prefer to look to Science Fiction, such as Star trek, as a sort of reverse Mythology that looks to an imaginary future for inspiration, rather than an exalted past of heroes, or saviors, or Golden Ages.

    • @duikmans
      @duikmans Před rokem

      But alas, you also have shrewd people who use that exalted/mythological past for political gains, and it works (or they use SF to create a sect).
      I always loved that TNG episode and how the references had a positive meaning (because, after all, it was Star Trek), but at the same time I had a nagging feeling that it's the same kind of references certain political parties use to spread a message that's everything but positive.
      I know... I'm a party pooper...

  • @The_Autistic_Christian
    @The_Autistic_Christian Před rokem +2

    Darmok is one of my favorite episodes. Ironically (or perhaps not?), they predicted the rise of meme culture, of which ST:TNG became a primary wellspring people drew memes from. (I only have to say, "Data and Lore, in the hallway" and you instantly know I'm talking about words that are ordered ambiguously.)
    Incidentally, I was "Mr. Spock" as a kid, so I totally grew up with Trek-as-metaphor. Which is probably why I liked Darmok so much, because Dathon was me. Like you, the weird guy, trying to be understood. And now Trek has kind of become a meta-metaphor.
    (And you cannot tell me that the Thermians were not autistic, by Grabthar's hammer.)

  • @brundlfly
    @brundlfly Před rokem

    You were one of my first TikTok subscriptions early in your time there, and I resonate a great deal with your descriptions of your interests and challenges. Your honesty and vulnerable strength of character inspire me. It reignited my own journey into understanding my own challenges with a new focus, but I've not had success finding nearby people who can help me better understand my own neurodivergence and the challenges I've struggled with throughout my life. Acquiring a diagnosis has been especially challenging given my age (late 50s). You've given me hope.
    Well done video! I wholly related to your idea of being outside looking in, and have always realized my interest in Psychology and then Anthropology is a means of learning how to "people", as well as appreciate different cultures. I'm looking forward to watching you expand and grow your skills into longer format videos.

  •  Před rokem +7

    I am so thankful of finding this today. Building a boat on the edge of the earth is such a powerful image and brings me a degree of consolation. Thanks Astrid.

  • @brazni
    @brazni Před rokem +5

    This was a very interesting video. I had quite similar thoughts when watching "Darmok", although for me it takes on other meanings than neurodivergence and goes into the philosophy of communication and a kind of chomskian linguistics, when we speak, it is always through some kind of shared game/context/reference points. This episode is something that bubbles up in my mind repeatedly over the years.

  • @guyver6622
    @guyver6622 Před 11 dny +1

    Shortly after this episode aired a friend was in her kitchen, I heard a loud noise, cussing and wailing. I went to see. She had dropped a large glass bowl of salad and it broke on the floor. I said... "Salaad...when the bowl fell". She had to quit cussing and laugh.

  • @Cookster997
    @Cookster997 Před rokem +1

    This video is absolutely beautiful. I knew when I saw that episode there was a reason it has clung with me ever since. You have perfectly explained it, and done so in a way that seems uniquely "you" in all the right ways. Thank you, from a new subscriber.

  • @Jamius01
    @Jamius01 Před rokem +3

    One of the rarities... a beautiful human being on the inside and on the outside. And also intelligent... and also a Scifi fan... come on guys... gotta love that last part! I wish her well, prosperity, and grace.

  • @TomMilleyMusic
    @TomMilleyMusic Před 2 lety +6

    Hope to see more stuff like this from you

  • @lestersalvador2022
    @lestersalvador2022 Před rokem

    I just stumbled onto your channel, and this video. My goodness, this was/is *beautiful*. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts--and yes, I have indeed liked and subscribed. I look forward to whatever else you will be presenting. All my best!

  • @danlindy9670
    @danlindy9670 Před rokem +1

    Your comments regarding the autistic’s view of human culture as an outsider echos Temple Grandin’s statement that she often feels like an “anthropologist on mars.” Thank you for sharing. It helps the rest of us non-autistics to understand better what it is like for you to feel like an outsider on your home planet.

  • @dertyp3463
    @dertyp3463 Před rokem +6

    Easy to speak but hard to communicate... boy can I relate. Darmok really got me thinking too. What is communication actually? why do we do it? sure, to organize mainly but there is a deeper level. somehow there is a desire to let others know what we think and feel beyond the need of survival and we try to convey those thoughts and emotions via sounds, gestures, facial expression and so on. i pondered so much about this. we can never be sure that the other person really gets what we are trying to say. we can never know if they accurately receive the information we where trying to send, if they feel what we felt, when we said XY. To me our current form of communication is like a futile evolutionary attempt on thought transmission. idk if this makes any sense to anyone but me but maybe it does.
    and yeah "how to human"... sigh... i gave up on that. what are we anyways? I kinda felt like I emulated personalities of characters from shows and movies i love, mixed with my own quirks and over time those emulated personalities became part of me. "For every person I've tried to be there's another ten inside" (KoRn). now i simply try to be. i dont care anymore if anyone gets me or if i come across weird nor do i want to be perceived as human. i am human after all. at least i guess so. so there really is nothing to try. nobody has a damn clue what tf we are doing here and what it means to be human so nobody can tell me and ultimately i dont need to know to be.

    • @IsiahTomas
      @IsiahTomas Před rokem

      Pardons for going a bit off the trail, but I'm reading your comment over and over again and it got me thinking. One of the highest points of my life concerning communication was in an acting workshop and the guy running it told us the best actor listened to everything their partner said and felt and I took that to heart because I always felt I missed something in conversation with anyone I talked to and ruminated on an important detail I should've picked on. Even now, talking to a longtime friend, I hope I pick up on what they're trying to tell me and what I should say in return because the disconnect of understanding we have with each other is the biggest reason so many of humanity's problems persist.

  • @Robin-vn7bj
    @Robin-vn7bj Před 2 lety +3

    Love the earnestness about mythology and science fiction!

  • @markmontague5230
    @markmontague5230 Před rokem

    This is what makes your content so fascinating. I could listen to your ruminations on Star Trek and literature & life every day and never be bored. Thank you.

  • @Tim3.14
    @Tim3.14 Před 2 lety +2

    I was already subscribed, so I hit the little bell thing. CZcamsrs are also really into ringing the bell for some reason. I think it has something to do with a fairy getting its wings, but I could be confused.

  • @SAMSON...
    @SAMSON... Před 2 lety +3

    Great video! You have a nice voice:)

  • @duckmcduck007
    @duckmcduck007 Před rokem

    That is the most beautiful string of thoughts strung together, I have ever heard. Thank you for sharing that ❤

  • @UncleSnaf
    @UncleSnaf Před 10 měsíci

    "I have found it very easy to speak but hard to communicate" says so much to myself at this very moment in time.

  • @smashedapples
    @smashedapples Před rokem +1

    "easy to speak, but hard to communicate" is the seemingly paradoxical concept I've been trying to figure out

  • @anttiharju3739
    @anttiharju3739 Před rokem

    I've never seen anybody put it as well as you Astrid, your description of it made me tear up a bit. Thanks for posting, I love you as a person.

  • @WilliamTheMovieFan
    @WilliamTheMovieFan Před rokem +1

    The excellent Paul Winfield played the Tamarian captain. He was able to show such range in all of that makeup. Terrific video analysis!

  • @benmoore6915
    @benmoore6915 Před 2 lety +2

    You are 100% a hero. You are my hero. Darmok hit me in a lot of the same feels as Elementary my Dear Data when Moriarty says he has changed and doesn't want to die

  • @jerrybandy3827
    @jerrybandy3827 Před rokem +1

    For someone who may have been concerned about the ability to communicate an idea or series of ideas, you did a good job conveying those ideas in an understandable and concise way. I also never knew that people with autism were drawn to Star Trek. I learned something new.

  • @coRynnstar
    @coRynnstar Před 2 lety

    Delighted and grateful to have found this video and your channel! I, and I can't stress this enough, certainly Do Earnest. May you live what you love forever!

  • @QuillOfEarth
    @QuillOfEarth Před rokem

    Thank you so much. My soul is touched. I am beyond thankful that you have voiced this. I feel like I know more about myself now.

  • @Parmen0901
    @Parmen0901 Před rokem

    Thanks for this. I recall being 48 years old playing the card game Eucre with my family. My partner was my niece, 25 yrs younger. We lost a hand in the game, and I whispered offhand “Shaka, when the walls fell”. At this, she stared at me, wide eyed, across the card table. Like I was staring into her soul., and uttered two words. “At Tanagra”.

  • @JordanSullivanadventures

    I would love to see more longer form content like this from you! You have such unique insights, and they really get time to breathe in this format.

  • @mattjohnson7048
    @mattjohnson7048 Před 2 lety +1

    This is fascinating, I genuinely appreciate your insights

  • @HenryRobinson
    @HenryRobinson Před rokem

    This is brilliant! Thank you for creating this.

  • @cielprofondinfo
    @cielprofondinfo Před rokem

    Sokath, his eyes opened!
    I’m not autistic but according to a psychologist I dated and lived with for nine years, I’m on the Asperger spectrum. I have seen the episode Darmok a few times and it remains one of my favourites. I think you just explained why. I had never realized that I myself constantly try to understand the world outside and how to communicate with it-and why sometimes, my best efforts (not just at communicating) fail.
    Thank you!

  • @almishti
    @almishti Před rokem

    That was really brilliantly formulated and thought through, and poetically and eloquently expressed. Thanks, that was terrific!

  • @MysticMuttering
    @MysticMuttering Před 2 lety +1

    YES! Thank you for this! I just rewatched Darmok and I was a little English/theatre student desperately learning how to person!

  • @eclat4641
    @eclat4641 Před rokem

    Thank you for this!! It’s awesome. I love that episode.

  • @triv1
    @triv1 Před rokem +1

    Just wanted to mention that you are here, what I call a definition of 'articulate'. Choosing words and structures of sentences with such accuracy to the aim of what you're trying to communicate. Such command of language! Makes one transfixed to listening to you.
    I also find your musings fascinating and familiar. Thank you!

  • @TrekCannon
    @TrekCannon Před rokem

    this was so groovy. this is also one of my favorite episodes as well but for slightly different reasons. i thought i was was going crazy when picard told the story as well. i had to go back and reread. thanks for sharing this

  • @ohthewhomanity
    @ohthewhomanity Před 2 lety +1

    This is wonderful. Thank you for this.

  • @lindervillian
    @lindervillian Před rokem

    I have no idea why you popped up on my feed, but I'm glad I watched. This was fascinating on so many levels.

  • @tercerocastero
    @tercerocastero Před rokem

    Love this video. Have always remembered this episode of Star Trek as one of my favorites too because communication and the difficulty but necessity of it has become so essential to my worldview too. Accurate communication is something we kind of take for granted, but I marvel at just how much miscommunication happens that sometimes isn't even recognized by both parties.
    This episode shows just how important context and full understanding is that depends on both parties two way focus instead of on just their own.
    I wish more people would actively think as deeply as you discus about communication and learn more and more skills for proper communication, but sadly many seem oblivious and intent on moving the opposite direction.

  • @patprop74
    @patprop74 Před rokem

    In my opinion, Darmok was and still is one of the best episodes not only in the STNG but in the whole of Star Trek shows put together, and to see a lovely young lady not only that see it, but also liked it but understand what the story was trying to say and for you to be moved by it give me great hope and joy.

  • @Zoeynessy
    @Zoeynessy Před rokem

    You articulate everything beautifully. Thank you for this.

  • @dinksmallwood5561
    @dinksmallwood5561 Před rokem

    8:10 - Absolutely brilliant connection you made here. I don't have autism but I've played Magic the Gathering for two decades and I've befriended several people with autism through the game. The game becomes like a cultural and referential bedrock that helps people communicate with one another.

  • @donc9275
    @donc9275 Před rokem

    This is by far the best Star Trek episode ever made. I had always thought a follow up episode was appropriate.

  • @programmerdave9893
    @programmerdave9893 Před 2 lety +1

    This was awesome! Please do more of these. Your TikTok videos are great, but I definitely prefer these longer videos when the material needs more time.

  • @unheilbargut
    @unheilbargut Před rokem

    What a beautiful Video. Thank you so much for it!