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GW you can't just drop these big bombs on us and then never talk about it ever again...
also yes 1:46 was suppose to be 2013 but I guess I still have bleach seeped into my brain.
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I not asking to be mad but why do you change out the Flesh Eaters with Flesh Tearers? I might be confused by the video regarding the pentarchy of blood when you said the Flesh Tearers were a part of it. Is there other lore to say otherwise? A great video either way.
cool marines dont look at explosions
@@user-xq1gz1lt5i I think major just made a mistake and by the looks of it he corrected it, and the lore clearly states that the flesh tearers are not members of the pentarchy of blood and I don't think he will make a video about his mistake cause it wasn't that big of a mistake he's not the first to make the mistake between these two chapters cause of how similar their names are and he won't certainly be the last.
plus, there both successors to the blood angels so that would definitely ad to the confusion.
I always just assumed it was Omegon being Omegon. Uniting together a bunch of loyalists to cause a ruckus for his own nonsensical reasons.
^exactly what I came here to say, may have even been a proxy Omegon as ya know he can boost others to pose as Alpharius. Possible reasons to test the Imperium, to get more loyalists rallied and then the Inquisiton got their almonds activated because it wasn’t what they sanctioned, or maybe sacrificial lambs to get the Pentatchy of Blood going for the future. Never know what paths the Primarch might see.
Hydra Dominatus!!!
Unless it was Alphareus (I butchered that spelling).
It's only nonsense to us...and everyone else...and him. TZEENTCH KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING!
@nicholasarmstrong643 even Tzeentch can't understand the intentions of the Hydra for its heads are innumerable.
This is a lie.
Primarchs are great and all, but we all know that it would only take a 1v1 between Sly Marbo and the emperor to bring the imperium to its knees
The false primarch being one of the many clones Fabius Bile often makes is something that makes sense.
Fabius Bile: You assume I would make something to be perceived as "False". No, I make perfect clones this "False" primarch had nothing to do with yours truly.
-GW making it more confusing
*Fabulous Bob
@phantomwraith1984 You're not lying he does look good in that skin suit.
Heck it could be a new proto-primarch he made. If memory serves he was instrumental in the primarch project and worked alongside big E. So mayhaps he gave it a shot and then released its prototype to see what happens. After all he created an entire breed of humans and just threw them into the galaxy to see what happens.
@@PuppyShooterBile had nothing to do with the primarch project, you have him confused with Belissarius Cawl. Technically it was Ezekiel Sedayne who worked with the Emperor, but his memories and consciousness were absorbed by Cawl
5 chapters beating 11 chapters is actually very easy to explain. It was 5 chaoters and like 50 billion guradsmen and a big amount of imperial navy ships vs 5 chapters
Yes bluebird
They also had Tyberos 🤷🏽♂️
@@Jcw617 not during the war of the false primarch
U mean vs 11 chapters
@@Jcw617this event was like 8000 years before Tyberos was born
Omegon: What an absolute disaster.
Alpharius: Yup. All according to plan.
Omegon: It is so over.
Alpharius: We are so back!
My headcannon is the 2 missing primarchs are gork and mork
agreed
Fuck this is good
FACT: we have never seen Gork and Mork and the lost primarchs in the same room together at the same time. I rest my case
That’s really clever! Your wit will be missed heretic…. Yes Mr. Inquisitor, he’s right over here.
What did you smoke?
The vagueness is intentional. For the longest time, GW's approach to lore was to create setting for players to have their own adventures in. The 'false primarch' and the two 'lost' primarchs and the like were all lore openings fore players to insert their personal characters into the lore. Mysteries the GW writers never intended to be 'solved'. For the same reason the Horus heresy took place 10k years earlier, the history of the imperium was intended to be shrouded in myth and legend so players could fill in the gaps with their own adventures.
That changed with the novelisation of the Heresy, Now the 2nd and 11th are called out as being terrible calamities, no uncertain terms..
Dorn was so distressed at the thought of them still being around during the fortification of Terra, he felt the war would have already been over and was glad they were gone (Chamber at the end of memory) and asked Maclador to wipe EVERYONE'S memory about them.
The Custodians also talk about how they and the Wolves fought the 11th when they turned against the Emperor, implying their destruction(Wolftime).
@@rankcolour8780 That doesn't exactly change things though. The 2nd and 11th were wiped out, but who's to say they aren't in the Warp somewhere? It never actually states at all that the Primarchs were even killed, so who's to say they aren't the original ones to Fall to Chaos? Who's to say they didn't corrupt Erebus? Maybe they've been doing the Alpha Legion thing this whole time and have been bringing about Calamities? Just because there is some lore fleshed out, doesn't mean it has done anything to change the open ended nature of it.
@@justinlast2lastharder749
Have you read the chamber at the end of memory? Dorn makes it very clear they aren't around. Every time they are referred to in multiple books in past tense and called a tragedy.
It's entirely different from how it was when GW devised them to enable player agency. That has been replaced with successors. Now any legion can have loyal or traitor descendants after Cawl started slinging geneseed around.
Until you can find anything from GW even slightly suggesting what you are saying ( there is nothing) we have to go with what they have now changed the lore to.
That they are gone, and at least one of them turned against the Emperor, fought the Wolves and Custodes and was destroyed.
No point arguing with me, this is what the official GW authors and loresmiths are telling you. Until they say something else, your ideas are off the table.
Don't shoot the messenger I don't write the lore.
I personally don’t like this about 40k I want to know about the lost primarchs there could be so many novels about what went on with them. I understand the reason why they have done as you’ve said so people can make their own characters but I don’t want to make my own I want the LORE!
@@rankcolour8780 2nd and 11th are considered terrible calamities?
Yep, sounds like PC's.
the False Primarch being the 11th Primarch is actually cool and plausible theory, all 11 chapters could've been his sons that are integrated into Ultramarines and Imperial Fist after his purge from all memories, regaining back their memories as their primarch returns, that would also explain why the High Lords keep everyone's mouth shut about it, if it's just Badab war prequel, they won't go that far to cover it, the involvement of Custodes would also explain why they can take on a Primarch and 11 Chapters with 5 Bloodlust Chapters, it's freakin Custodes, a shadowkeeper nonetheless
Chaos Machinations like false Sanguinus is a possibility, but i doubt it would go that far, even without someone like Mephiston, it would be pretty easy for the first or second founding chapters to identify their primarch and since none of them involved here, it makes it all much weirder
it being a loyalist primarch is unlikely, we have seen how the loyalist primarch react to current imperium, they dislike it, but tearing humanity apart in a new civil war is out of the question, especially people like Vulkan or Corax, Corax literally go out of his way to try to save his sons, do you think he would leave 11 chapters to their deaths?
yo know, but i can also think of a possibility, what if it's one of Alpha Legion's primarch? we know that one of them died, but one still there, whether it is Alpharius or Omegon, even though in Horus heresy books it is said that the Surviving one are loyal, what if he became dissilusioned with current imperium ? it is very much a possibility
The imperium absolutely loaves the alpha legion due to their capricious nature of being sometimes enemies or seemingly allies 😅
But he wouldn’t be a “false” primarch… he’d just be a primarch.
Don't forget that failing to achieve compliace during the crusade was considere heresy to the Emperor.
I wouldn't be suprised, at all, if the 2 missing primarchs didn't achieve their objectives, maybe because
they clashed with unexpected tyranids, necrons or tau, and their two legions were exterminated only
to be integrated unto the Ultramarines.
The false Primarch is Corax, he is son of Alpharius.
@@mrbejamit could be called that because of the fact the imperium didn’t believe he was a real primarch
I have this stupid theory, the False Primarch is a clone of Angron created by Fabius Bile.
Why Angron? Because his power was the most terrifying of all the Primarchs.
Angron was an empath, he could take someone's pain, which shows that he was able to manipulate the emotions and feelings of others, he could change someone's feelings and make, for example, space marines from other legions turn against their primarchs. He could make entire worlds become his loyal servants/slaves. He could make people feel unlimited loyalty to him and a desire to serve him.
The most wholesome primarch ability turned into pure grimdark. Good job
I like the second to last theory you brought up because I really enjoy the idea of one of the Loyalist Primarchs, probably Jaghatai Khan, coming back and deciding the modern Imperium isn't worth saving so he rallies his sons to form a successor empire.
GDub just came up with the name "Pentarchy of Blood" and the name was so O.G. they just crammed some random lore around it and just ran with it.
I finally figured out who the False Primarch is after watching this video, Ming the Merciless
I didn't even know about the fact their was a fake primarch and got shocked that there is Lovecraft thing as well
Yeah man, there is a lot of random events referenced that are very interesting, but not dived into. Tabletop being primary concern over fluff and BL for obvious reasons.
I’d heard about the false primarch from somewhere, but I’m super intrigued about this lovecraftian entity floating around, never heard about that haha
@@widdershins5383 Its called the ghoul stars. Theres is a whole chapter of marines dedicated on not letting what's in them to the normal galexy
@@ozzypeters8732 ooooohhhhh I think I’ve seen a random CZcams vid about that, I’ll have to look it up again
@@ozzypeters8732 lmao just looked it up and it’s a majorkill vid from 2-3 years ago lmao well shit
In thay most recent book Genefather (also Genefather video when) Bile said he has actually cloned every Primarch. Which feels accurate given their habit of bleeding all over the galaxy and him having at least one full corpse to work with.
Maybe it was a young sensei bursting out the warp uncorupted. Then recruted by a Sm chapter seeing him as a "fucking good warrior". So add some Sm geneseed to an half big E and bam! False Primarch. That could explain why the sensei are exterminate by the inquisition
Random theory to add more to the grim darkness.
Where the false primarch comes from an alternate imperium one were the entirety of man including the imperium has fallen to nothing.
Meaning it could have possibly been a duplicate primarch due to the cracks in reality caused by the warp.
GW probably wants us to theorize that its one of the lost primarchs just to reveal its just genestealer or chaos shenanigans.
I would see GW doing something like that, but it would be the least interesting and most snoozedfesty of all explanations
I subscribe to the Lost Primarch being the 'False Primarch'. Although I think its #2, I think #11 was recovered after the Randan and placed in the Dark Cells (subject 11).
My theory is The Custodies did in fact "help" Although, they stopped the fight and convinced the Primarch to come back to Terra. Currently, on Terra in stasis but instead of a Black Cell, #2 is in stasis in their villa under the Imperial palace.
Considering that Charcharodons are Raven Guard succesors with culture swirling around the figure of their mysterious father (Corax ) - as mentioned frequently in Red tithe and Outer dark - I think Corvus is out of the question here. They would definitely chose him over bunch of bureaucrats.
Space sharks are chimeric raven guard and night lord
@@phantomwraith1984 Majorkill likes to say that about Night Lords, but reading through their books I did not find any support for that. Chimeric sure, but the other component is most likely World Eaters, not Night Lords.
A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great
Could you make a video about each legion's best accomplishment/battle/victory? Counting unification wars, crusade and heresy. Also, First.
I think I like the False Primarch being a Fabulous Bill creation best. I really like your idea that he could have actually been a loyalist clone, just without the plot armor.
Well if all the primarchs are perpetuals like the emperor then that would mean the the expunged primarchs should be coming back as well provided they're not improsoned.
0:59 I just stumbled upon this channel last week and i fkin love it! Been binge watching ever since
I'm betting it's a Thunder Warrior Primarch. There's been a few TW's that have become functionally immortal. He probably turned up and disclosed all what happened on Terra and how Big E killed off his line and that they were next making many disillusioned. Primarch was also a rank in the TW's as seen with Ushotan primarch of the fourth legion. He'd also be taller than a primarus marine so he'd be giant for his time making him more physically imposing as well as more deadly than your bog slandered space marine given his augments and experience and seeing at the Thunder Warriors were more resistant to chaos it makes sense there would be no influence.
Except Thunder Warriors weren't a Match for a Space Marine at all...and the whole mental instability thing...and the lack of ability to move around much. I would HIGHLY doubt it's a thunder warrior.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 So why are there two TW crime lords who aren't insane? Also in the Ushotan vs Valdor book the primarch of the fourth legion kills a space marine in one strike and then promptly walks over him. Space marines are like wolves Thunder warriors are bears a squad will kill them, but one on one it's an unfair match up. You must also realize that their amour's legs were not powered and yet they could still run, if a space marine's armor de-powers he is immobilize and made to painstakingly crawl.
"These angels will fight for you now, but one day they'll realize the truth about you they'll see you coming for them too late to stop it. We're all dispensable. Everyone of us that he made for these wars all but you!" - Ushotan to Constantin Valdor. Seem's like 11 chapters got the message.
It's about time, been waiting for you to cover this for a while
A video on Solomon Akkura and his Alpha Legion space marines would be awesome
It was a surviving Thunder Warrior.
6:40 Fun Fact: There is a prisoner in the dark cells known only as “Subject XI.”
I forgot if it was canon or not, but there was a thing called The Angel I believe, and it was some kind of proto primarch the emperor had to put down. I could see something like that getting out.
need more lore videos about ORKS!! WAAAGGHHH!!
It being a returned Horus would be an great way of getting Inquisitions Horusian faction some more lore.
Really enjoy the lost 11th legion primarch theory
Ay, a vid on current status of librarians/sorcerers from chapters/legions who opposed Magnus at Nikaea
Superb video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions, etc
There's a chance that it was an Alpha Legionnaire that got juiced to be more like a primarch and these 11 chapters were potentially corrupted or the Alpha Leigon needed the Pentarchy to exsist to help the imperium kill rogue space marine chapters
Great video MajorKen, very cool
Remember, during the 13 founding(dark founding) they find a fundation of a verry big astartes
Your music sounds like the theme from The Last of the Mohicans with a little Skyrim exploration music laid over it.
Well, hope I get my birthday money when it comes around on Friday. I want this calendar.
My headcannon is that we never actually see the end of Arik Taranis in the Outcast Dead. In fact, he may have found a way to cure his condition. So it could very well be possible that the “false primarch” in question is a thunder primarch coming back, convincing the 11 chapters just how much the emperor appreciates their sacrifice, and pulls some shenanigans. I mean a thunder primarch could 1v1 a custodian, but they ARE very much killable
The False Primarch was a surviving Thunder Warrior that was the primarch of his Legion before the emperor betrayed them.
I want it to be retconned to what ends up happening with the Valdor and city of Dust storyline. If they are in a timeless bubble maybe came out at the wrong time and fought the imperium only to escape back into the pocket dimension
Personaly i like the idea of it being a creation of bile mainly because my personal headcannon has Tyberos as the missing 11th primark
Video idea:"Space Wolves vs The Minotaurs. Who would win?"
I had WAAAYYY to much fun hitting the backskip button at the beginning of this video while listening to some old school hiphop for a record scratch effect.
Praise be to Space King.
Thank you for mentioning the Flesh Eaters, You have all my Love and Lust!
i would love to see a video about who went on to lead the loyalist legions after their primarchs were gone, aka the first chapter masters.
I'm of the idea that it might of been a ploy by that Chaos God that may or may not be canon still, Malice. As his number is the number 11 and this might of been him trying some of his own Chaos tomfoolery
More Badab!!! lol that was a great reference
Don't you love that number II looks lot like the Roman number for 2... Food for thought
I actually like the idea it was an escaped Fabius clone. From a story point of view it creates a level of tragedy on the 11 chapters part and especially a Horus clone as was mentioned on the video
im only 3 min in going through the vid now and as soon as i heard space shark i knew shit was about to go down
I had thought it was odd that the Minotaurs were not included in the Pentarchy of Blood since they are known for brutally and ruthlessly crushing rebel Space Marines such as during the Badab War and Macharian Heresy. Until now learning that the War of the False Primarch which prompted the founding of the Pentarchy of Blood happened in M33 and the Minotaurs weren't founded until M36.
This is gonna be awesome
Only getting the calendar if we getting an oiled up unarmoured Baldermort Custodes pic
Other idea
This "False Primarch" was a Man of Gold who appeared due to warp shennanigans, or was finally thawed from that Cryo or whatever it was
It's clearly Lorgar; Dark Prophet? THE traitor primarch? It fits
Everyone is a primarch before Tyberos enters the room.
What if the false Primarch is an experiment of Fabius where instead of cloning a Primarch he decided to create his own with some qualities of the other Primarchs
OR, It’s actually Alpharius/Omegon being a little prankster~
My theory is that it was actually misspoke and it was all over the prime-arch. Which was the first arch of the Imperial palace that malcador and the emperor put there together. When it was stolen by the 11 chapters, took 11 because it was a rather large arch and they didn't want to hurt their backs, everyone was understandably confused and angry so they sent the 5 chapters to go and get it back. These 5 were able to get it due to their fork lift certifications as a requirement.
It was all covered up because if knowledge of successful grand theft Imperial arch was known, the imperium would implode or trazyn would just steal even more of them.
I think the Fabius clone seems more likely to be the False Primarch. He's the OG of cloning
A video on Valerian and Aleya would be pretty cool.
It would have to be a theory where every major chapter would have chosen not to have gotten involved. None listed in the video fit a theory where Mars, Space Wolves, and Imperial fist would have sat it out.
It could be a rare situation where the inquisition and the high lords genuinely proved their necessity and worth while everyone else was strangly compliant.
Literally just I was struggling to down this rabbit hole we get a bud on it
Hey, majorkill i would apprechiate a lore video about solar auxillia or just mortal auxilarries to the space marines or a video about scout marines in general
The False Primarch was just a GW customer who still remembers lore from the Rogue Trader edition that GW wanted silenced.
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YoMAJOR you gotta talk abt the Lion soloing a hive tyrant
@majorkill A video on each of the primarch’s favourite food would be cool. Also a video on how each of the pirmarch’s would react to being implanted with the butcher’s nails would be cool as well.
A lost primarchs homebrew competition would be rad
The 11th primarch makes sense it's a little on the nose but it makes sense. With subject 11 being something in the dark cells and all.
Attempt number 36:
What if the Primarchs where found in the order of their creation. So the Lion was first and Horus was nearly last. I think that could change quite a bit, don't you think?
P:S yeah, I'm definitely doing this till it gets to a 100.
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The 8th will follow you in this endeavor.
Now how the hell do you manage to do your "magnum opus" with every single large merch drop. You are truly an impressive bloke
Wake up babe, new Majorkill video just dropped
the thumbnail art is BAD ASS! OH MY GOD!
Hydra Dominatus
Hear me ou what about a thunder warrior primarch who had enough. Being smart and strong enough to survive or remedy his body, his mind the crusade, the heresy, scouring, black crusades , war of the beast, the apostacy and many more while the adeptus terra was initially hunting him. Like ypu said he could have had enough and tried to reforge the dream of his leige or used it as distraction to get rid of bad actors and plots.
Not sure if you've covered this before (I've seen so many of your videos I'm losing track), but how about a video on 'what if Magnus did nothing wrong?'
Yes he did wrong, but how would the siege of terra, the heresy in general and the setting as a whole be different if he didn't screw up and wreck the webway project...? Would the wolves have been able to aid in the defence, would magnus have stayed loyal to help in the defence, how would Big E of interacted with everything, would hawkboy still be alive, preventing the black rage from happening? Sooooo many things could be different if that giant red bellend did as daddy told him
I would love a lost primarch story
Releasing the Calendar on International Women's Day is some devilishly good marketing.
Really wish the Calendar was ready before January.
a video about Rafen and Arkio would be cool, or the adventures of Rafen
I always thought it would be a Emperor made Angron clone made to cure Angron of the butchers nails.
Honestly best method to cure Angron, produce a clone then transfer mind/soul into it.
Such a clone being awakened and potentially empowered by the Angron soul after Angron ls descent into a demon prince would have been confused and confusing.
With the next Scoring series, eventually, GW gotta do something about it
The 5 chapters give major Suicide Squad vibes, of just "condemned" chapters fighting for good
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
Can you possibly do a video on how space marines from StarCraft would fare against Space Marines in 40k?
I personally find the most boring option the most interesting, one expects a primarch or chaos shenannigans to be behind the war of the false primarch. hence why I find it more interesting if it's an alliance of chapters basically beginning to rebuild into a space legion and have the term primarch be pretty much the term for the chapter master that is commander in chief of this pseudo legion
I relly wuld like a 40K tv series about the false primarch. Since the primarch of the 11 legion is compleatly sencored. It wuld bee dificult to make a series featuring him. So I personally wuld love a false primarch tv series featuring one of the clones of Horus trying to redeem himself and save his fathers dream. Only to have the imperium that he himself is partially responseble fore cruating, chrush him. It wuld be interesting to more or less have the imperium as the willans.
A video suggestion: how would modern weaponry or armies fair against certain enemies or armies in 40k?
Maybe it was that surviving Thunder Warrior who collected a bunch of space marine geneseed.
Seeing Majorkill commission artists for his videos makes me so happy. He could easily do like others and use AI, but instead he supports artists to create awesome works.
Honestly from the name, I just assumed that it was that incident with Arkio and Rafen the Ready
MajorKill, the first person to ever have me seriously consider participating in Patreon.
Hi! Can you please make a video about the battle of Calth? And Titandeath? That would be cool!
Day 38 of asking for a dedicated series of videos detailing in depth the Lion El'Heresy
Though unlikely as it may be, and glad to see you also hinting at it, is that this might be the 2nd legion (at least to me). Reason being that I hold that the 11th legion are the Sons of Malice and were "destroyed" by the High Lords because "wacky extreme cannibalism" and the 2nd was destroyed because...high lord shenanigans I guess. The only other loose thread that I can think of for this being the 2nd legion is that when the high lords want a "space marine (but not chaos yet)" problem solved, the carcharadons seem to show up often (granted they are effective, but they also showed up to slap around Hurron as well in the Badab War)
Have they listed the 11 chapters that went with the False Primarch? If they are more a certain geneseed then that could hint to perhaps what Primearch it could be.