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Lierre Keith | How a Former Vegan Learned to Love Meat
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2016
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Can we love animals and still eat meat? Former vegan Lierre Keith, farmer, activist and author of The Vegetarian Myth, says that eating meat isn’t just a choice, it is vital to our survival.
In this podcast, Lierre gives us a very factual rundown about how we’ve evolved to require meat in order to thrive. She talks about her years as a vegetarian and the ways that it destroyed her body, affected her moods and permanently damaged her health.
Practicing veganism doesn’t only affect our individual health, Lierre says. Modern agriculture has messed up our entire eco-system: rivers, fish, even soil. Fortunately, she provides us with tips for doing our part to mend our system, including eating lots of grass-fed beef!
5:00: How being a vegetarian “wore out” Lierre’s body and mind through constant insulin crashes and joint problems.
8:00: Why the vegan diet can affect your mineral absorption.
9:30: How grains are “pre-loaded” with ways to harm us.
13:00: The evolutionary reasons why we need to fuel our brains with nutrient-dense food.
17:00: Fire has shaped our evolution, dictating our teeth and digestion.
20:00: What are “obligate carnivores”? Why are supplements not enough?
26:30: How modern agriculture has “skinned the planet alive”.
30:00: We have Paleolithic bodies. We need to eat Paleolithic foods.
40:50: Agriculture made us destructive to the planet.
42:30: Grass-fed beef and bison is a “mono food” - it has everything we need!
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I passed out 3 times being vegan, lying on the floor completely cold, muscles cramped, I shook all over…body temperature at about 35 C, very low heart rate…
Bad teeth, hair loss…anxious…
I was a mess!
Just after 2 weeks of meat and eggs I feel so much better
lol
Collapsing repeatedly with low body temperatures just isn't normal for anybody vegan or not. This sounds like a completely unrelated illness or a thyroid issue. The lack of body heat is an indication of lacking energy, caused by starvation from an eating disorder. It's either this, or considering you claim you felt better after consuming animal products it's most likely a lack of proper balanced and nutritionally adequate dieting. You're blaming a possible illness or eating disorder on a willing ethical commitment to veganism. Health organizations like WHO and the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics generally agree with balanced plant based dieting. There isn't a nutrient in animal products that can't be found plants, fungi, or supplements and the existence millions of vegetarians and vegans (for centuries and decades respectively) around the world prove this.
I'm not criticizing, just saying is that if you were an ethical vegan, as in morally motivated to abstain from normalized animal cruelty, you have an obligation to make the lifestyle work as millions are successfully living this way. I'm nearly five years into ethical veganism, and even if hypothetically it somehow doesn't work for me I'll seek professional help and strive for nutritionally adequate plant based dieting, worst case scenario I may go back to vegetarianism (which I was born and raised with) but I won't give up on my moral consideration for animals, I'll do whatever I practically can to abstain from inherently cruel dairy again (other advocates know more about ex-vegans than me though, and frequently cover the subject, I'm just going by personal experiences and rationale). But I don't even diet and never experienced such issues, I just eat whatever I want and try to abstain from products like animal tested medicine or leather to the best of my ability. Unless you're in a survival situation where you literally can't live without animal products there's no excuse to support the oppressive practices that it takes to get them.
What did your diet look like?
The problem was not the plant based diet it was the lack of due diligence over your diet.
I'm 50 & have been Vegan since 25, a competitive Boxer , & scored a 4 mins .29 sec. Mile run ( I don't even have long legs!!!).
Sorry but you're talking nonsense!
@@sachinraghavan4556 Very well put!
If I can add a point: you wouldn't promote meat based diet if you were truly Vegan.
This woman obviously has some problems but this narrative about mineral deficiency has no Scientific basis. If it did then the Academy of Nutrition & Dietetics would not support a Vegan diet and it would be condemned by the NHS' Orthopedics department.
Was vegan for 11 years until my health also collapsed. I've been a carnist for 3 years now. Feel a million times better.
Me too.
Why are you using the internet? The cavemen didn't have internet, plus, it's unhealthy to use computers. And transportation. And cavemen didn't have pharmacies, therefor..
Joonas Luik herbivores eat grass and leaves, do you ?
@@AlbanK-mu9bj I'm an omnivore, I eat whatever I like as long as my food is not killed.
Joonas Luik weird
I agree that as a united force, we could get rid of factory farming. If vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters worked together, we could all make a much bigger difference. I believe that people have a right to eat however they want. People aren't going to stop eating vegan. People aren't going to stop eating meat. People do what they choose to do. But if we all chose to work together, we could create a real difference. The truth is, the factory farming industry WANTS us all to be fighting - that way, nothing ever gets done. But if we came together - putting dietary differences aside - we could effectively end this cruel industry.
Fuck yes.
I agree. I feel that PETA goes too far. Veganism and vegetarianism are good, but trying to force the whole world to quit eating meat, to shut down zoos, and to keep animals from working jobs they've been doing for years is not reasonable, nor should it be left up to one group of people to manipulate and brainwash the rest of us. Let every one be persuaded in his own mind.
Miyanna Nielsen what the fuck are you talking about joining hands with vegan? I kill vegan if i see one
Miaynna is exactly right and those in the comments who can't see her logic is totally not thinking well on how progress is made. A people who let differences divide them instead of bringing there stuff together wont come out with more well rounded answers to global issues. Meat eating is not the answer and neathier is vegan. We need to have different people come together not to fight who is right or wrong, but what to do about it all. There is no one answer to them all. Vegan works for most and some it will not. That is what I have noticed. No one should be shamed either way.
Agreed
I was vegan for 18 years and suddenly became seriously ill. I had all
the great symptoms of vitamin D and B 12 deficiency. I had to start
eating unprocessed animal products and in 3 months I regained my mental
and physical health.
Why not take sun light and supplement B12? (B12 is from bacteria anyway..)
How much did you search yourself before that?
“In the end the soil eats us all”
No it recycles us.
@@christopher-bj8de yes it still eats us though. Just like animals eat food then poop it out and through that organisms can live.
It's called the circle of life. Perhaps it should be called the circle of death😅😏
If you came to planet Earth someone is going to eat you😮
Damm, I love this woman!
Right
@@WhyArentYouVegan lmfao
Been there... done that... I was vegan for years (no animal food products at all; only plant-based foods and drinks... a diet based on eating a great deal of soy, wheat, rice, tofu, lots of fruit and tons of vegetables, all organic, much of it fermented).
I was sure that going vegan would improve my health, but in reality I experienced problems that were very similar to what the interviewee describes: bad bones, bad teeth, blood sugar highs and lows, memory problems, mood problems, truly crazy emotional volatility. These symptoms ALL began clearing up within two weeks, once I added animal products such as eggs and butter (not from factory farms ---- from small organic family farms) back into my diet. Later I added back fish and small amounts of poultry and meat.
I'm thankful everyday that I realized in time what veganism was doing to me. (It was not an easy realization. I resisted seeing what was going on, bought into the nonsensical idea that I must have been doing veganism "wrong", tried harder, and got worse and worse into the hole I was sinking into, as a result, till going omnivore again cleared up my health problems very quickly, when I gave veganism u[.
As a recovered vegan, I find it interesting that vegans spend so much time trying to debunk the TRUE stories told by people who found the vegan "path" to be a personal disaster. They think their lives represent the truth, but they actually can't stand to hear or read it. Their response when they do is denial, anger and sarcasm. I feel sad and sorry for them. I hope they can see in time what the "path" they are on is really doing to their health, and also, the harm it is doing, and they are doing, to the world.
@Corinne How does she stay sick for 20 years ? She is so full of it , it's crazy. She is lying , we have digestive track 10x our body length, carnivores 4x... our jaws move like an herbivore. Yeah legumes etc are hard on you but you need a well rounded diet. Everything animals get came from eating a plant. Why does this person see everyone doing it and getting sick within 18 months - and continue to do it and not only that she promoted it.
There are millions of very healthy vegans all over the world. You are just extrapolating from your own bad experience - as is Lierre Keith, who is unqualified to talk about these issues knowledgeably.
@@kurtsbills185 Our closest relatives are chimpanzees, and they do eat meat. psmag.com/environment/this-absolute-lust-for-meat-chimpanzees-on-the-hunt
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/04/190430091846.htm
Sorry, but no one told the chimps to hunt...but they do.
@@kurtsbills185 You are another one in denial. Clearly you have no idea what are you talking about. Caws have 4 stomachs. How many do you have? So you saying ex-vegans lie, and vegans don't lie. Most of the vegans probably don't even realize their health is getting worse, or will never admit it. They can be very stubborn when they are trying to push their believes. Not to mention their brain fog and not thinking clearly.
I admire your honesty and self-analysis, thank you
yep, I had chronic hip and back pain, muscle pain and beginning joint pain... probably lack of Vit D, high oxalates, plantantinutrients, and yes as Lierre Keith says, lack of minerals...
@Anna M. vitamins will not do you any good if your body is in Cell Danger Response, Don't you fucking invalidate my very own experience. Take of your blinders off and eat some animal fat, it will do your brain some good. Your body is in stress mode and thus you don't think clearly. Believe me, you don't know until you have tried it. Don't be stupid. Your health can be ruined irreparably because your body is not getting all the nutrients it needs. Those can't be replaced by vitamins..It's in the FAT
" not alot of minerals in plant foods", what the fuck was she eating ?
As an ex vegan ... Lots of minerals that my body never assimilated ... 3000 greensmoothie a day a all was flat 0 in z blood ... Sad but true ! Blame our ancestors !
No such thing as an ex-vegan. Just saying.
+Max powers you lived on green smoothies and won't take any blame onto yourself so you blame your ancestors. My god.
TruthBeTold Ivanushka Hey, genetics play a huge role in those things too. All I can say is look up mimi kirk and annette larkins. We can both show each other pictures of people with an omnivorous diet who looks great and those who look less great, and those with a plant based diet who looks great and those who look less great. But when it comes down to what's really important, those who follow a plant-based diet have time and time again been proven to live longer lives than those who don't. Just my two cents.
Yeah, where do cattle and pigs get nutrients? These questions so basic that it certainly makes the sanity of Keith suspect.
collagen helps the joints
I was plant based for more than 5 years but eventually found problems with the science behind it as well as the ethics. I felt duped while trying to do the right thing. I felt quite healthy, but goodness I farted enough for 1000 people because of all the beans.
lmao the farting
😂🤣😅
No need to eat beans though, I hardly ever did during ca 14 years of vegan. Beans are rough, lol
I find it sad how many people seem so lost with health problems. They're always blaming it on age or other non-essential things, when it's just their really their diet.
I personally find this very helpful! I have been vegan for 3 years and only recently I have been struggling, feeling exhausted all the time not knowing why!?! Things started off soo well, I ran my first Marathon aged 41 and felt great. As a vegan I have been very 'healthy' eating lots of vegetables, making fresh smoothies for breakfast every morning! Nevertheless I have been suffering a lot lately and thankfully recently foung the resources on GAPS, which is basically Paleo. I am having difficulty with the transition to incorporating animal products, but just on eating eggs for 2 days and a couple of small cups of chicken broth, I finally dont feel hungry and tired all the time. So, my journey continues! Thank you Lierre!
Claire Reda try more steak and eat the fat.
It's all about what you believe in strongly, based on what you've seen and felt. I was a vegan from Oct. 2003 to Oct. 2017. I believed we didn't have to kill animals to survive. I was practically dead in Oct. 2017, a little animal protein brought me back to life. I know some won't believe it, and that's life. I still love vegans for what they are trying to do (eliminate suffering in any form, and it made sense our diets were linked), but unfortunately my life experience convinced me that we need that animal protein (essential amino acids). Hopefully chicken and fish is enough, along with fruits and veggies. There is going to have to be another way to solve problems vegans are trying to solve.
Vegan say you were detoxing! I say you were starving! :D
Good to hear you are getting better. You should tell your story on the channel called sv3rige.
Vegan and raw are very restricting. Vegetarianism meets all my needs.
Finally someone who sees that the problem is industrialism itself and not eating or not eating meat. Go girl!
Great interview and this lady Lierre is quite knowledgeable and passionate and right to the point.
Well done, the world needs to hear Lierre. And thanks for being respectful and giving her the space to talk
Dick head
Bullshit
Pay that troll no mind
I have been Vegan for over 20 years, I just started going to a Kinesiologist and my body is a mess. Hopefully she can help me but I am now eating Salmon, sardines and eggs but only one a week for now until my body figures out what it is. Hoping this will help my mind and body heal and feel better.
I'd start eating that every day add butter and red meat as well
Your body doesn’t need to figure out what it is though, it’s always known. I’m glad to hear you’re on the path to healing….best wishes!
Good luck ☘️🌻
Im also transitioning back to animal based after about 14 years vegan. My experience is that after this long, digestion might struggle breaking down the protein. I found that I needed to supplement with enzymes in order to cope. You are right on taking a slow approach after such a long time.
@@naominaomi6508
It does take a while for the body to readjust to eating meat .. it has to re-develop a whole host of gut-bacteria to handle the meat proteins.
Your gall bladder may also get angry with you (it helps break down fat and protein), but give it time and things will smoothen out.
And yes, the enzymes help. You can also cook the meat in some wine or pineapple juice, to help break it down a bit during cooking.
Slow cooking in a pressure cooker helps too, helps your gut get over the initial hardships with the meat.
Also, chewing meat a lot helps our saliva helps a lot too.
And yes, take it slow, you have an entire life left to do it.
As a vegetarian for 10 years (never consumed dairy, only eggs once in a while) I ended up having 5 cavities. Then I vent vegan for a year and it went from 5 to 9 cavities... in a year. As soon as I went back to animal products (meat included) my joint pains went away - it happened so fast that didn't trust the physical improvement that I was experiencing. This was two months ago that I "woke up", but I'm still struggling with meat a little, especially the handling of it, because it has just been ingrained in me that it is "bad", and that a healthy diet is a plant-based one. The best thing is actually the satisfaction I feel through out the day. In the later years of my vegetarianism/veganism I was ALWAYS hungry, especially at night, and when I went vegan it got so bad that I actually thought I was deadly ill - ate all the "right" foods, yet my body was dying.
Same!!!! Glad I'm not alone. The ethical aspect can truly blind you...
Just out of curiosity (I'm not vegan, just curious), how did your vegan diet looked like? High carb low fat? Or was it something different? Just to get an idea. Thank you
Eat lots of cheese instead of meat and you'll be fine. I'm vegetarian for 9 years and healthy.
NSNG No sugar, no grains! Meat is magnificent and heals the body.
I don't believe in fairytales.
I really wish there was more open and friendly dialogue between vegans and non-vegans. When I was a vegan, I was so anemic and my mental health started to deteriorate. Now I eat everything and I feel so supported and grounded and my cheeks and lips are rosy again ☺️ I'm a little questioning when it comes to the anti-nutrients in nuts and grains and how much of an impact that has on humans.
I'm only a few minutes in and the insulin story rings true with me.
Over the 7 yrs of been vegetarian my hair started falling out, I had constant brain fog, couldn't handle stress, was always hungry, chronic insomnia, teeth went almost see through, got the low blood sugars had low energy all the time.
Now im on an almost all meat diet, very low carb, its the only way to stop the high and low blood sugars.
If you were always hungry,than you weren't eating enough. Being vegan doesn't mean you have to be hungry all the time and deprive yourself of important nutrients. I am vegan and I pig out all day.
@@davidsheriff9274 i think, she was trying to say that as a vegan she had to "pig out" all day and still be hungry. This doesn't happen with meat. You eat a nice portion and you don't have to think about food for hours and you have time AND FOCUS to focus on something else.
I also ended up with 7 holes in my front teeth, had to getting filling in all. I feel people need to be more careful with this diet or any and not just rely on these youtube stars for advise. I think it is important to get professional help with this, if you still want to go vegan or even "healthy lifestyle".
Same completely ruined my teeth and hair… and I was in a very strange mental state
This video is awesome!I need this info to be in a Netflix documentary so more people will watch it!
I was a vegetarian for 10 years and I am still suffering the consequences. We need to deal with animal ethics and get to a real healthy diet. Thank you for this AMAZING video. Keep up the good work.
What were the consequences? I've been vegetarian for like 40 years and am healthy as I want to be based on whether I exercise, get sleep, etc.
your another lying idiot
another fake vegetarian
@@stanleyjohnson3219 rude
@@ElizabethStaeheli me too
Great interview, what a lady! You did a great job Clark. Too bad u left this chanel. Ill look u up online. I hope u have a website.
another fake trying to convince us
No, I'm not a vegan and I don't think veganism is the healthiest way of eating, but you've got to laugh no matter how you eat when you read how she felt after eating her first bite of seafood. “I don’t know how to describe what happened next. I could feel every cell in my body, literally every cell, pulsing. And finally, finally being fed. Oh god, I thought: this is what it feels like to be alive.” Frankly, this is hilarious.
Yeah but I've listened to probably a hundred of these ex vegan interviews and so many of them say they have the same type of experience when they ate eggs fish beef etc I think there's some receptor that finally gets met after a long period of not being triggered and I think they can feel it. I've never been off meat ever in my life so I don't know myself.
It's analogous to a religious experience, say receiving the Holy Spirit...
I felt pretty much the same after eating meat for the first time in a while, as if I hadn't eaten for months before and finally got my precious food lol
@@1976mcfarlaneThere are receptors in the brain that recognise animal fats but they don't recognise seed oils and grains, sugar that's why vegans eat all day long because they are never satisfied. Fat literally sends a message to the brain saying I've been fed so I think that's why these people experience that feeling. Whereas vegans are stuffing themselves and starving themselves at the same time. They are not getting any true nutrients because the body can't process most plants or access the nutrients so I think it might also be the lack of nutrients they get that causes this reaction too.
@@user-xr6sv8vt1dwow. That is amazing. I think it makes you appreciate the foods we eat.
I do wish that a lot of gung ho vegans would instead push for ethical farming regulations, making it illegal to NOT have grass fed beef, to NOT have anything but free range chickens, to not use pesticides, which are so horrible for animals and humans. To push for regulations to have only humane meat processing. Everything dies, eventually. In the wild, it is survival of the fittest. You can think all cows, and pigs, and chickens, and goats will live to ripe old ages on fantasy farms, played with and happy, but the reality is, you have to control populations, you have to feed the ones that are here, and it is just not in reality, a very sensible way to think.
With all those regulations in place, I'm betting at least 40% of everyone in here won't be able to afford it anymore. This is a ridiculous debate anyway. Learn to eat in moderation, and don't waste food ffs. Problem solved.
problem is that everybody wants cheap food. Only us foodie/hipsters give a crap where our food comes from. The majority of people are lined up at McDonalds getting their fix. Factory farms are indeed hideous abominations and we the consumer helped them take over because we want cheap milk, cheap meat and cheap eggs. There's an Egglands best factory farm near me that's bigger than 3 football stadiums.
so much truth in a 1 hour video, great stuff she is really enjoyable to listen to, she knows so much.
I had never heard about Lierre before, but after watching this video I went straight to Audible and bought her book, if it`s anything like this video it will be great.
Wow she gives u alot to think about.
Great! This woman made me start taking notes while watching CZcams videos! I mean, right now! Paused the video and started note taking!
Update on my last comment, of five years ago, when I woke up from the vegan stuper I had emersed myself in for 6 solid years-
2 revelations:
1. Being vegan was the worst thing I righteously did.
2. Not having to stomach another bite of tofuckyu😅
I have not seen a large population of old vegans yet. :(
Yeah the proofs in the pudding ! I think westerners eat way to much whatever they eat ! Smaller amounts and higher quality ! Paleo works for me !
Yet the healthiest people/cultures in the world eat the least, or no, meat. Look at Okinawans, Seventh Day Adventists, etc. Everywhere you look in the world, the less animals producst consumed, the healthier the people. That should tell you something.
that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. you don't see a large population of vegans. period.
Are you dumb? Huge population of vegans for decades, the Seventh Day Adventists. Traditional Okinawans ate so little meat (like 3 oz per month for tradition purposes). My point, which you conveniently ignored, is that wherever you look in the world, the LESS animal products people eat and the MORE plant foods they eat, the longer lived and healthier they are. There is a direct correlation between animal consumption and longevity and health. The most healthy people in the world eat the least amount of meat. And the less they eat, the healthier they are. That should tell you something.
adamaj, Your examples are erroneous as the health benefits are due to lifestyle choices and not veganism The Okinawans, like all centenarians, are omnivores.
This is the first video of yours I have watched, it is very helpful. Good luck with whatever you choose to do. You have made amazing progress in doing all the podcasts. As you say these podcasts will remain on the site and in the world for all eternity and continue to enrich many peoples lives. From your example, it reminds me of the importance of getting information into the world that we feel can add value to many lives. Thank you and whoever has worked with you.
very eloquent and to the point that lady
she's an idiot and if you believe that rubbish she was spewing so are you
your an idiot
I'm 76 years old, have been a vegetarian or vegan for the last 50 years, and have always enjoyed very good health and energy. Her saying that "we all tried veganism and came out of it ruining our health" is utter BS.
lol psycho
This was a brilliant interview-thought provoking information! I’m not sure why your channel has gone quiet-I am slowly watching your videos and taking notes. Thank you for posting this!!! 👍🥰
This is the interview that has given me the courage to do a low carb diet after being vegan for 15 years. Recent digestion and dental issues caused me to begin to question my diet. I have been very impressed with my discovery of paleo/low carb diets. This interview gives me the confidence to go for it and I am expecting good results! Thank you!
If you are really a doctor and trust a leftist extrimist who wrote a book citing almost exclusively wikipedia, I wouldn’t like to be your patient
@@howigotover798 I would say the opposite. There are some ethical vegans who don’t care about their health and nutrient intake and that is probably the case with this guy. If we want to care about animals we first have to take care of ourselfs and eat well and balanced plant based food. Keith is also telling that she was eating enormous ammounts of sugar syrups. I wonder why she developed thyroid issues.
Chris Kresser is another recovering vegan with good info
I've started to eat liver 2-3 times a week and wow, it really has improved my health and muscle density and body comp.
Have you heard of Adele Davis? she had a best selling book about eating meat and advocated liver and protein. she was dead at 70 from cancer. I'm a vegan of 26 years...….I've outlived her.
How?? I tried eating it once and wanted to gag
I hear you, I was vegan for 8 years (lived off of oreos and juice fasts, but that's still vegan) and I got malnutrition (weird right?), so obviously you have to eat animals to be healthy. You made a great argument and everything you say is totally believable.
@@stanleyjohnson3219 that can be a pure coincidence, can you explain how meat can cause DNA damage and ultimately cause cancer? Spoiler alert it doesn't
I've started eating tofu 2-3 times a week and now I can run a mile in 4 minutes!
Does anybody really want to hear an infomercial for the latest diet trend?
🤣🤣🤣
💀 I’ve been Vegan 5 months and this video just made me buy a beef and cheese Burrito. I just ate it and I’m very confused! How gullible we are 🤦
It’s for your health! Do not worry
I wonder why. Would have nothing to do with the fact the human digestive tract and brain is wired to follow meat and fat.
Excellent! Thank you! I am going to read this articulate, educated person's book.
I just want to say thank you for this episode. First time listener. Grateful for the long format. Great information 😀 Thanks!
Awesome interview, it was a nice introduction to her book, which I'm planning to buy. First time I hear your podcast unfortunately, but wish you good fortune and success on your future endeavors (listened until the end).
Great interview. Great questions. I've been vegan over 6 years, and am just now seeing and feeling red flags that are waking me up, to what I thought was right, is wrong, about being vegan! Thank you, Lierre, for your bravery and intelligence. You are not on the opposite side of the vegans. We both want the same things. I hope I can help my (former) vegan community to see that. I bought your book, and will study it thoroughly.
your obviously a fake vegan
your either a fake or an idiot.
You're *
Please remember the victims, and please don't go back to paying for animal abuse. You can get all the nutrients you need. Don't believe these pseudo-scientific clowns.
@@sustainablysamyou think we should ignore our own body falling apart.?
Excellent show with an abundance of information I was not aware of. Thank you
I am SO happy to have found this video. I, too, have not been eating meat for 20 years! Now, I've been diagnosed SEVERELY anemic. I can't breathe if I walk up just one flight of stairs. I even get winded just talking on the phone. And I am SO exhausted ALLLL the time. As of a few days ago, I'm now having to take iron supplements and eat meat. Such a huge life change for me.
Incredible information! The world needs to hear this!!
Sadly, I have vegan friends who are suffering with serious health issues but they refuse to let go of the vegan concept to improve their health. This video is so logical but will vegans listen? Probably not.
Noitpure unhealthy humans have unhealthy babies and reduced brainpower ... they will continue to devolve
Eat meat make families ;-)
will meat eaters listen even though they are dropping like flies around me. everybody I know who eats meat has some serious heath problem
I'm listening now felt like crap after being vegan for one year
Love lierre, she's been so brave. Very eloquent. I just stay away from vegans if I can or stay away from any conversations on food because they just start preaching and trying to make me feel like a murderer. My health and my children's health was damaged by being low fat for over 30 years. Totally agree with her. My blood pressure was 60/40 for 20yrs, feeling faint all the time. My saving grace was turning to Keto and eating hydrolysed collagen by the bucket load. My joints don't ache anymore.
don't believe that anyway, you didn't say you were vegan, a low fat diet isn't being vegan.
@@stanleyjohnson3219 i didn't lie or exaggerate. Proof is in the pudding. And the studies into adding hydrolysed collagen for pre-term babies who have been born with underdeveloped intestines is unarguable. It doesn't matter whether you have low fat or no fat diets. If you don't get enough it does your body damage full stop. And if you're depleted as a pregnant women your poor baby has even less chance of having the needed nutrients for full development. Your name looks very familiar to me from another post too.
sorry I don't know what you are talking about @@jartotable
The video that Lierre Keith hopes you won't watch: czcams.com/video/oMuxgAbHgJA/video.html
@@WhyArentYouVegan Thank you! I love Mic the Vegan for debunking these why I’m no longer vegan videos.
This brilliant lady should be heard all over the world by everyone. She's brilliant.
Fascinating! Thank you for taking up the cause. I've never been vegan, never understood. You've made it so clear. And the answers! Thank you!
It's like a cult, a religion. If you try to leave you get shunned, especially if you're a mother.
I was consuming meat for every meal training up to 4 hours a day and still working. Was being treated for irritable bowel because of the time I spent on the loo. Was subscribed 8 codeine tablets today to try and slow my bowels down. The weekend before I was hospitalized I was steam cleaning underneath lorries for MOT and was going to loo at least 20 times a day blood mucus. That's Monday I went to the doctor's and was rushed into hospital put on a drip because I was so dehydrated and giving steroids to try and calm my bowels down. Was diagnosed with colitis and diabetes. Told I would have to be on medication the rest of my life and my ulcerative colitis wood flare ups. For the first year this exactly what happened. Then I discovered whole food plant based diet and since then I have had no flare ups off all medication for my ulcerative colitis and diabetes and my sugar levels are 5.7 5 years later still going strong
If you were still eating carbs plus the meat,are now only eating carbs and man made plants it only a matter of time. But I'm glad your vegan diet is working for you now. I'm curious to see how you're doing now.
Something tells me there is more to this story like 15 cokes a day or fast food 15 times a week or 15 beers a day…definitely 15 is in there somewhere.
@@66gtb I think 15 is about your mental age
@@petersurguy4179 My wife might agree with you. My skepticism centers around the fact that I started keto five years ago and have been almost exclusively carnivore for the last two years. And I have had no issues at all. As a matter of fact, at 56, I feel better than Ive felt in 25 years. You imply that meat was the cause of your issues. That doesn’t make sense based on my experience. What else were you putting in your body?
@@66gtb I was eating what most people would consider a healthy diet. Admittedly now I eat a whole food plant based. On my birthday Christmas I might some processed food. My blood sugar and cholesterol are good. And not hospitalised or had a flare up with my ulcerative colitis
I watched my ex fiancé destroying his health on a high fruit raw vegan diet. He’s still deteriorating thinking that is just a detox process because of the health issues he developed during 7y on this diet. No one can change his mind is so brainwashed. It’s so sad!
They are obsessed about detox they see the decline of their health a good sign of the process to the fountain of youth lol .
@@simohatim6496 literally
Agreed. I was on the same path, but realized cooked plant foods and healthy plant fats is the right way for me and never looked back. Raw vegan diet is pretty much a fad diet, same as the carnivore diet, Atkins etc.
So sad....
It took me 20 years also, but I am now 74 and very skinny, pretty nearly broken down. I became very impatient with myself (living alone). I am now getting into meat on keto but gaining some weight after just a week (yeaa for me). Plus I am completely off of sugar and grains of any kind, including fruit. This would have been unthinkable before my change. I love bone broth now. :)
One fad diet ----> another fad diet
It's seems to me that your problem is not vegan dietary requirements, but your adoption of fad dieting.
Also, how is your health destroyed by using plant based deodorant, or wearing shoes that don't use horse glue, or not spreading animal urine on your face? 🤔
How are you doing now?
Vegetarian/mostly vegan for 21 years. 50 years old now. Deteriorating daily. Overweight since the start of this. Fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis stage4, weakening adrenals, on and on and on. Low blood pressure, hypoglycemic, so many things. I’m TRYING to get over my brain and eat meat again. Thank you for this.
Interestingly I have a friend that’s a vegetarian, she has been a vegetarian for at least 15 years, she eats fish now and than and I do believe she eats eggs. She is younger than me by about 8 years, she gets sick constantly with bronchitis that last for about a month during flu season, she gets the flu at least 4 times every season with horrible coughs, she has crohn’s disease, knee problems, constant UTI’s, kidney damage and other health problems, her daughter has had dental problems. It just makes me wonder how healthy the vegetarian and vegan diets are? I’m in my mid forties and have had a balanced diet for most of my life that includes different animal products, my only illness are colds during winter time. I most definitely will be buying more grass fed products after listening to this interview.
“Steak, it’s not just for breakfast anymore.”
Regardless of the content, you are a decent interviewer, you ask to the point questions and listen well to the answers, unlike many who interrupt their guests. Good job.
Pity its biased and probably sponsored by the meat industry.
Agree it’s very biased
@@stanleyjohnson3219 ha ha ha....
Everyone should watch this video. I got so sick in 2004 from having been a vegetarian for almost a year. Ignoring obvious physical ailments is self abuse. Eating meat again - healed. Meat heals. :)
So you had mental issues?! Been eating just plants for a decade now and I'm still standing.
@@Ivan_Mitov No, I didn't have mental issues. The self abuse I'm referring to is not taking notice of my losing hair and ignoring dizzy spells for too long. I should have halted the vegetarian diet long before the 12 months was up. Hopefully, you'll still be standing in another 10 years. I think diet is a very personal thing; everyone is so different. Do what works for you. :)
I don’t see vegans arguing that don’t need shovels for hands to dig up tubers etc. look at the machinery involved in plant agriculture.
Lierre, thank you so much for being bold enough to tell us about this truth... God bless you!
10/10 interview
All points covered, would watch it again.
I just told my husband we are going to eat meat- he said great- I want steak tonight! I can relate to some of the issues she mentioned. I won't go total peleo but I will eat meat again about 20% of diet now.
The video that Lierre Keith hopes you won't watch: czcams.com/video/oMuxgAbHgJA/video.html
Very knowledgeable and well spoken! I do agree we have to keep the eco system alive! Grassfed animals is the way to go! They had a great life under the sun and if you pray over your food it will even be better! No longer vegan after 10 years, it ruined me
The soil needs blood and bone to grow good vegetables in the first place. Most vegans don't seem to realize that. We all need animals wether we eat them or not. We can't grow vegies in sand and we're not going to kill of the animals for the vegans.
I'm oh so sorry you're sick because of this, it's a shame you couldn't come to this understanding much sooner.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OVERVIEW, IT WAS MOST ENLIGHTENING.
As an ex corpse muncher now vegan I can honestly say I loved the taste of meat. Just decided to eat in line with my morals.
Millions of people who are now vegan once thought the same thing. However, they decided that an action does not become morally justified simply because they enjoy doing it, and they gradually became vegan. They decided that the inconvenience of a gradual transition to a new diet is relatively minor compared to the amount of animal death and suffering which they were thereby able to reduce.
For people who want to become vegan without having to give up the taste of meat, there are products such as veggie-burgers, veggie-sausages, and veggie-bacon. These products look and (depending on the brand) taste like meat, but are made entirely out of soy and other plant based ingredients.
I was vegan for 14 years, and thought just like you Adrienne. You unfortunately can't ignore what may likely happen to most, if not all vegans despite our great intentions. Here's what happened: czcams.com/video/eLQ_HXkavnI/video.html
What happens to the animals that also depend on plants to live once we start competing with them for food? You talk about animal lives as if the very plants you want to consume arent living beings as well?! I guess because you cant hear or see the plants pain killing them makes it alright?? Get it together fam, smh.
@@noconsentgiven I wish people such as yourself would be honest on here and admit that you are making silly points. I bet that you are not approaching your neighbours and telling them to stop mowing their lawns because of the plant pain!
ew you lunatic!
Great video, very strong woman to be so honest and open on this topic. I think the vegetarian and vegan community needs to chill out with the hostility. The audio wasn't crash hot though.
I was vegetarian for 2 and a half years. Then I went vegan for 5 days and I got severally sick and lost a ton of weight. I then switched to a mostly plant based diet eating meat only occasionally but I still had problems. I lost my period and had crazy hormonal issues. I only changed my diet back to including more meat after I listened to Sally Fallon on the fertility Friday podcast and she talked about how you need meat to be fertile, you need animal fats. I found out I was iodine deficient and started eating fish and eggs and meat every day. Eventually my body went back to normal and I got my period back. But I later developed endometriosis and hypothyroidism. I fucked myself pretty badly.
Really? A vegan diet is dangerous? Really?
Then come Jehina Malik, a vegan since birth female bodybuilder still alive ?
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You were born with those. I have both and it not from being vegan. I'm VGF.
When I say this was right on time for me!!! I just started a vegan diet only 2 days ago and this scared me. I'm almost 45 and I don't need those kind of health issues. Thank you thank you for this!!
Don't believe this crock of shit. It is riddled with misinformation.
Wow, this was really great! Such and intelligent conversation. What a treat! And the information was profound. My God, she lays into it so clearly and logically... maybe little by little people can start homesteading and making their own small natural areas for livestock and hunting? I mean Veganism was small when it started and look at it now. Worth a try at least! Would be a beautiful world!
Wow. I've learnt so much. This should be taught in schools. What a lovely brave lady. Thankyou for uploading. (from England)
They do that in France, educate toddlers about a range of natural foods. In addition eating together is important in their culture. The French have a far healthier relationship with food.
This is very informative, thank you for this.
15 years of veganism destroyed my thyroid and caused disc degeneration in my spine and an average of 8 cavities a year and multiple crowns and root canals.
I’m carnivore now. I wish I could back in time and re-do my dietary choices.
Thank you! I have many family members who became vegan and got very ill. And they don't want to face the possiblity its their diet change thats causing it.
My daughter became vegan at forty and now she doesn't speak to me. I'm keto. Can you imagine the cavern between us? 😅
@@pepper419 Offer to switch diets with her for a month and see who feels better. :D
@@LelandReview I'd make the offer if I could but my digestion couldn't take it. I'm almost a carnivore now and seventy. Vegetables really made me ill. What's more, she knows it.
@@pepper419 wow
Have you watched the documentary "Forks over Knives" ? How have you rationalized away the information in it about disease and meat?
Fork over knives doesn't prove anything, the real question is how have you rationalized plant agriculture?
Very intelligent woman. The factor not mentioned is the human biota which is in fact similar to the biota or bioma of soil. Cheers to Lierre , great interview. Gracias
I'm vegan since 1998 and i'm doing fine with a bit overweight and 54 years old with healthy bones and strong teeth. I eat once a day in the evening and having a bloodtest every 2 years with very good results, especially Vit.B12, but also iron, iodine, Vit D, B 2-6, E, C anyway, selenium etc.
I know 7th day adventists, who are vegan for over 30 years with two of them doing marathons on a regular basis, one Lady being 67 years of age.
We are about 14 people in our rural area and are cooking together once a month. Many of them don't just look much younger for their age, but also seem to be very vivid and active on different political and societary issues.
People can say on CZcams whatever they want and it's important to examine every single case thoroughly, as good as possible, but to oversimplify and generally blame it just on the vegan diet is frivolous and indicates a certain agenda a person or a certain group tries to push forward.
I know 3 people who say they are vegan and promote it. But they actually eat meat all the time. But they keep up the act because they really love animals and hate factory farming methods.
Try to disprove him, you wouldn't be the first one who tried it:
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Leland Judsyn
And i know Nazis who say they aren't racist and promote it. But they actually beat up jews and africans whenever they can. But they keep up the act because they really love jews and africans and hate concentration camps....something in this logic seems to be twisted like in yours about the vegans, isn't it ?
In my Facebook group, I have come across several people who have been vegans for multi-decades; they are all doing great, or so they say, and I see no reason to doubt them.
The movie “the wolfs of Chernobile” shows us how even the part of earth impacted by radiarion can be sooo happy without people.... everithing is thriving... we are just one sad speacies...
wow i learned a lot of new things from Ms Lierre Keith ! Amazing. thanks
wow! I learned a lot from this video! especially regarding the guts of animals feeding on plants.
I absolutely agree with her. But I'm often lacking arguments when I discuss with vegans.
There are vegan athlets, vegan influencer moms with dozens of children, healthy 100 year old vegans. Are they all just lucky? Good genes? Are there some people who can tolerate a lack of nutrients better or is it really all about a "balanced" vegan diet?
Yes, it's really about eating a balanced diet. A lot of these people who claim they got sick from not eating domestic animals, also admit to being obsessive compulsive in their diets, and following trends and weird eating fads.
It sounds like Ms Keith was the same. In this video, she talks about eating a lot of whole wheat and brown rice because she heard that's the healthiest. Dude... She was into these kitchy health fads that health gurus push for profit, and not eating what her body needs.
I am vegan, and yes there are some vegans out here who aren't obsessed with jumping on the latest trendy bandwagon! Yes, there are some normal vegans who aren't obsessive compulsive about food. No, I don't eat 12 bananas a day, no I don't obsessively consume brown rice. No, I'm not trying to survive on wheatgrass smoothies and pills. Yes, some of us are normal and eat normal food, don't calorie count and are not obsessed with being healthy. I don't meditate and do yoga, I don't channel healing crystal energy, and I don't own a juicer. I buy vegan alternates at the store. I use veganaisse instead of mayo, for example. That's about it.
We are not all OCD, LOL! Right? 😆
tell me what is the correct omega balance
I've been vegan/plant based for 30 years and am one of the healthiest patients my doctor has. I have noticed that those who have health problems don't seem to seek out those who are experts in plant based nutrition like Dr. John McDougall, Dr. Joel Fuhrman, Brenda Davis RD, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, and many others. Defaulting to dominate culture is odd. I haven't read Ms. Keith's book but I've seen a few times. Before folks jump down my throat I am a former 5th generation cattle farmer and spent over half of my 65 years in agriculture at many levels. I will probably regret posting this. but some magical algorithm thought I should watch this.
You didn’t have to take supplements?
I have a "Friend" on My Facebook Friend list who is a Zealot Vegan and trying to push the Vegan alternatives. Even when I'm eating a salad I will have a "Meat" of a Type.
I love Lirre Keith! When this video was made, the concept of plant cholesterol might not have been researched enough. It compete for the binding sites of animal cholestrol in our food, and will supplant cholestrol we can use with cholestrol that is similar but causes harm to us. It's like photoestrogen from soy -- it's structually similar and is harmful to us. So plant fat is not safe!
Olive oil is pretty safe and healthy
Great . I need to know exactly what was your daily foods . Maybe your diet is free supplements
23:45 😆😆😆" I think she's in early twenties she's actually 20" hahaha
my teeth took such a hit😩 i firmly believe going vegan triggered my Celiac as well. stressed my immune system the hell out
Yes, it would do that.
I can tell who is vegan and who is not … I’m not a vegan and I love meat
VERY INFORMATIVE ONE!
Thank you!
Such a clear concise explanation showing why we are truely carnivores. Lierre is absolutely brilliant and Iam so glad she saved her life and likely millions more with her book! Love her passion!!
Wow she looks even better now than when I first heard about her like 2 or 3 years ago!
totally agreed
i'm only as far as the first sentences and this is exactly true - it's an existential crisis.. i've been animal products for a week now. i feel very lost and like everything i know is questionable.. very hard.
Awesome information thank you so much for this
I keep hearing stories from both sides. People say they got sick when they were meat eaters and vegetarians say they got sick over time. Both sides say they were lied too. I started a Whole Foods plant based diet and got better. I had a list of problems that just went away. Then I ate meat at a Super Bowl party and got so sick that I had to call in. I’m now researching both sides. Some vegetables are GMO and create a chemical that creates horrible reactions to our bodies. Some vegetables are treated with various insecticides. Then there’s meat and dairy that is pumped full of chemicals and medicine. So I decided to be a Flexitarian. It’s list as the 2nd healthiest diets. Both instances have total lies.
Totally agree that is what is happened to me after 11 yrs .....
The mere fact that we require B12 and it is not found in plants, makes us all obligate carnivores.
That's a great point! I tried being Vegan once, and was puzzled as to why vegans were injecting vitamin B12 into their ass! So I ate the bare minimum of meat just to get the vitamins, but my extremely high carb diet was destroying my health. Definitely need the meat.
I found this:
Many large population studies have found that vegetarians and vegans live longer than meat eaters: According to the Loma Linda University study, vegetarians live about seven years longer and vegans about fifteen years longer than meat eaters. The Cornell-China-Oxford project on Nutrition, Environment and health, conducted by Cornell University, Oxford University and Chinese researchers- to date the largest population study on the relationship of diet to health- found that those Chinese who ate the least amount of animal products had correspondingly lower risks of cancer, heart attacks, and other chronic degenerative diseases. A British study tracked 6,000 vegetarians and 5,000 meat eaters for twelve years and found that vegetarians were 40 percent less likely to die from cancer during that time and 20 percent less likely to die from other diseases.
People who take lots of drugs in their later years live longer than those who don't, too. Using the machines that keep the aged and sick body alive adds even more time.
+Lierre Keith
I'm not vegan because I never could come to grips with their one-sided nutritional concept but I love animals and personally am torn by the idea of having to kill a sentient being for my nourishment. The only way I am able to consume meat is through gratitude and respect for these animals when I eat them but rely mostly on some dairy and eggs for protein. I also grow my own vegetables. Eating therefore is sacred and a sombre moment for me because I recognise the sacrifice needed from all sides. It is my finding that whenever I keep eating to a minimum (with much fasting) I'm doing well. I follow a somewhat low carb, high fat, moderate protein diet whenever I do eat.
I see your point about how the ruminants are able to eat plants, grains and grasses, which cells are too hard to digest without the help of microorganisms in their digestive systems. But did you know that even they (the ruminants) do eat meat whenever the opportunity allows? So while the human digestive system may be designed to digest meat it is also designed to breakdown plant based foods via some fermentation through the microorganisms in our intestines. The problem in our modern life-styles today lies in the imbalance of the digestive environment within each person. So, if we were only properly educated in the topics of microbiota, digestion and absorption of nutrients there probably won't be this great divide between vegan, vegetarian or meat-eaters.
Of course we know who reaped a fortune from all those misconceptions! We've been so indoctrinated by the education system that it's time to question everything. That includes the whole human evolution myth that you're regurgitating. Kinda lost me there!
There is nothing more respectful and natural than hunting your own food. People should join a (non recreational) hunt some time. You'd be surprised at how much gratitude there is for a kill. Vegans don't know shit about shit. All they can do is conduct themselves in a close-minded and condsecending manner. What a joke. The punchline? The next 'I used to be vegan' video. Karma is a bitch.
@@sayakominamoto9137 you're generalizing vegans based on your exposure and bias, but i get it. personally, i'm more vegan that vegetarian to use the nomenclature, but i simply cannot bring myself to shoot an animal to eat. telepathic communications with them will change your perspective. perhaps in a dire survival situation, i'd do differently, but not there so not necessary. otherwise, i don't see how anyone else can do it, but if you have to for whatever reason hunting or raising yourself is the most ethical approach. @sishrac is spot on about gut health, though. without that, doesn't matter what you eat, you're gonna suffer. in fact, i strongly suspect (based one my own research) that many health problems are directly related to this
There's nothing wrong with gratitude or respect. I'm a carnivore, not out of hate for animals but because I'm salicylate sencitive. Vegatable matter litterally makes me ill.