Pottery Fragment Sleuthing - Where Did These Pieces Come From?
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2024
- Our collection of beachcombed pottery fragments is growing, but where did they all come from? Let's try to find out...
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Thumbs up, just for: "precious pottery pieces probably persist as perplexing puzzles" 👍
loved this!
The world of shards.
I'm a curator of Decorative Art at National Museums Liverpool and like most museums, we have tens of thousands of shards. Over time, we've identified many, but not all - a lack of decoration and glaze makes it nye impossible to identify unless they've come out of the ground where a factory once stood.
Your Royal Bon fragment (Davis Bon?) for example, could be from something else entirely. Potters moved around a lot - Dutch, German and Fremch potters/painters moved to Britian when our industry took off in the 1740s. There was also a lot of copying and even stealing of patterns and recipes, by what we're effectively spies, who worked at one factory and then under the cloak of espionage, got a job at another factory to steal their secrets, before returning to their actual employer.
Yeah, it might be from some design that was 'after' Royal Bonn
I expect some days it shard but it sounds like an absolutely fabulous job 😂
i’d like you to know you made me cackle with the inclusion of (Davis Bon?) (is he dead!?)
I'd like to inform you that the man Davis bon is alive and well but he is fighting with esopehegeal canceer and his doctor said he will have operation's and will die soonest.
He already wrote his will naming you his Inheritor of 100.000$ dollars American dollars united states dollars $.
All you have to do is send the hd2d 500GB hard disk and the saffron herb to our office here. And please I don't have time to waste with small boys. @@its_nebby
For years, I've been painstakingly replicating old pottery, smashing them up, mixing and leaving them on beaches across the UK, just hoping to catch people out. This video does so much to validate me.
Haha. I've just realised that your channel is a bit like a one man Blue Peter for adults! Which is of course, awesome!!
its not awesome
I sometimes dream up online games when inspired by videos like this. Imagine an online game with a giant database of photos of complete pottery designs, and an equally giant set of photos of shards. People could then try to find matches and score points for their discoveries. We could also upload more designs and our own photos of shards we found.
Then a few seconds later I have clicked on some cat video and it's all forgotten.
Genuinely astonishing that you were able to find exact matches, wow!
Yes great detective work!
I'd love another episode of matching pieces of pottery and dishes to images of what they used to look like! This is such a fun type of archeological exploration :3
Im originally from 'The Potteries' area of the UK. Everyones garden had pieces of broken pottery (and our garden had lots of pieces of glass medicine and poison bottles as it was on land that was near a hospital which was originally a workhouse) there was a lot of broken pottery thrown in land fill holes where the clay was once dug out. With building housing developments and retail parks etc these pieces are spread far and wide. When digging the foundation for our garage we found a complete blue poison bottle that just had a small piece missing from the pouring lip. Could be instantly fixed today with superglue. Dont know how old it is but we've had it 50 years. Suspect it could be from late 1800's the house we lived in was built 1910/11
So happy to watch this. It appeals to me greatly - solving puzzles, detective work, found objects/ treasures, putting things into categories, art, history, and pottery!
And alliteration 😅
My local park had some work done in one corner and it turned up so many glass bottles (and one day when I was determined to find one, an old marmite jar). I think it was probably edwardian at the latest but didn't find anything old. The workmen were kind enough to pass me bottles through their fence so I became obsessed (briefly) with bottles
The fact that you managed to match these up with pictures found online, is nothing short of incredible.
So cool to see!!
That Majolica Hops plate is gorgeous.
Those exact matches are incredibly satisfying. I can imagine the excitement finding them.
My god! I can't imagine how long that took to match those shards! Someone has way too much time on their hands. It's spring! Out in the garden with you! (I can only imagine how satisfying it was every time finding the matching piece of porcelain!)
I was always amazed on Time Team when Paul Blinkhorn would be shown a piece of "dog biscuit" and say something like "It's a piece of Staffordshire-ware from a water jug about this size, mid-18th century" 😛
I'm a fan of pottery and china. One of my prize possessions is a collection of grill plates from a now closed local restaurant. They're the plates a "blue plate special " would be served on. They are, of course, Blue Willow patterned ironstone divided plates. They date from about the 1920s to 40s. My great uncle ran a tab at the Mecca even during the Depression. When one of his nieces or nephews was old enough to be going around town on the bus he would take them in to the restaurant and introduce them to the owner. If they were downtown they could go in and get a meal or snack and put it on Uncle Bob's tab. He settled up every month. I think sometimes he paid in ill gotten goods, but none of us knows for sure...
Two swallows flying high
Little vessel passing by
Weeping willow hanging o’er
Three men passing if not four.
Chinese temple here doth stand
Built by our forefathers’ hand.
Apple tree with apples on;
Chinese gate doth end my song.
I think… the willow pattern rhyme I learned as a kid :)
Enjoyed these lovely fragments … would enjoy doing some sleuthing if you post the pics somewhere :)
This is brilliant, well done. How satisfying to see the pieces rotating into place 😄
Old dumps can be quite interesting. One on the outskirts of holyhead had a small landslide and spewed out all kinds of bottles and pots! Its amazing just how people lived.... Bovril and shippams potted meat pastes seemed to have been all the rage!!
The dump closed in the 1940s
Hello Mike. During one of your pieces to camera you mentioned how Jack Hargreaves had been an influence. This really struck a chord with me as I too remember Mr Hargreaves from the TV show “How?” The reason for this comment (my first ever on CZcams!) is to ask if you know that another of JH’s TV programmes is currently being shown on Taking Pictures TV. It is called Out of Town and is from 1970, I think, and is on Mondays at 6.30pm. Talking Pictures is on Freeview, channel 82. All the best.
0:53 the Hedgerow plate design is actually so nice!
4:06 I got excited for a second, I wonder how Davis Bon is doing?
I think he's still dead.
@@KellyS_77 The royal Bonn is dead; long live the King!
@@KellyS_77 whaaaaaaat?
You did some amazing work identifying these pottery fragments! It’s truly beautiful what you found!
Very Nice, Mr. Shrimp. Thank You for Sharing All of Your Finds, Foods, Travels and Baits. Much Love and Respect. 🙏💜🗝💙🕊
Great video to wake up to with my morning coffee
I really enjoyed the last bit about the ceramic sleuthing. Very interesting and enlightening.
Ok, wow...
This is genuinely SUPER cool.
I'd love to see more like this. Also, eager to see how your garden turns out this year!
Would do one myself, but summer where I live regularly reaches temperatures of 115°F (46.1°C) and higher. So, most of the things that grow here HAVE to be extremely heat resistant.
In any case, LOVE your channel. And can't wait to see what you post next! 😊😊😊
I remember the woolworths plates, my family probably still has some of it my sister definitely still has the cutlery and some if not all the glasses, my dad used to use that plate, it came in 2 colours blue and brown edged not sure if that was from different years but both were offered in the 1980s, along with the glasses and cutlery, I think you collected stamps in a book from spending money in woolworths or something along those lines, all my clothing came from woolworths ladybird range so it wasn't hard getting the stamps or they may have been reduced price if you spent x amount, we concentrated on trying to get all the glasses which looked fancy, I don't recall any cups but maybe my family wasn't interested in cups, there was definitely an entire dinner set with side plates, bowls, big plates, 4 piece cutlery set and, whisky, highball, whine glasses that had a cut crystal design of lines like a sun ray.
Yeah, I think 'hedgerow' went through a number of iterations in different colours and with different flowers etc
@@AtomicShrimp I don't think that you'll have a bustle in your hedgerow...
Perfect pottery pattern pinpointing. Props!
I like this! SherlockShrimp…tracking down the clues!
really love that persist as perplexing puzzles line
This puts me in mind of a sort of 'reverse puzzle'. You have one piece and then you are matching it to a "picture". The difficulty level is high!
My grandma had some Blue Willow.Very beautiful.Sadly her daughter lost her china collection when an earthquake in California destroyed the case they were displayed in.My Grandma and her sisters decorated some china then had it glazed,usually hand painted flowers.One of her sisters was a fairly talented painter who did some pictures of the local Pennsylvania woods.
love this and your channel. Such wonderful variety
Amazing alliteration!
That was utterly fascinating and absolutely original! More please!
Hang on, hang on… did someone mention the BON! Lord Davis Bon? He lives! Long live the Bon!!
Some fabulous detective work there Mr.Shrimp !
I had one of those lovely "Hedgerow" plates with its splendid colours but unfortunately it got lost somewhere when I moved house.
Absolutely fascinating detective work. Please do another.
I could watch videos like this all day long
Always interesting.
Thanks for sharing your adventures AS. ❤
'Royal Bon' - no relation to a certain 'Davis Bon' (possibly deceased), I hope?
Thank you for sharing. Have a lovely week
Great research & a very fascinating video & thanks Atomic shrimp 🦐😊👍
Hi Atomic Shrimp! I’m a long time subscriber, and watcher, but this is my first comment. I absolutely love your videos and feel inspired to do more things (living frugally, beach combing, foraging etc…)
Just wanted to say you should check out the artist María Ossandón Recart - She uses broken pottery in her art and I find inspiration in what she makes!
Maybe you could try and replicate your own twist on this concept! Would love to see what you could come up with if you’re feeling crafty!
Drinkin whisky watching Mr Shrimpsky 😁
I wonder if, once you have sufficient pieces, there's an application to use AI to optimise how to use the pieces to make a new design so there's the largest amount of material and smallest amount of grout. That is to optimise the placement and rotation of the various shaped pieces available? Perhaps even notch it up another order of magnitude and try to get the AI to create a design using the available colours form the sherds. Not suggesting you'd need to build it but it would be a fascinating paper (well, computer) exercise.
Ostracaphile. I think I'll invent that word if it doesn't already exist.
This is one of the more interesting videos, yet it would appear boring if I were to tell someone what I watched this morning.
Its likely the pieces are all from everyday ware. Its the smart pieces that get cracked, shattered and 'mended' not dumped. Also likely pre-dishwasher as the lady who invented that machine was appalled at how easy her chinaware was damaged in handwashing.
That was super interesting! Can you put them all together like a collage to make a new plate? Maybe with other ceramic or clay maybe?
A frankenplate
Very nice editing and narration. Interesting topic.
This is here is one of the many reasons I love your content ❤
I love a bit of alliteration!
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you!
I realy love your channel Mr. Shrimp. So mauch variation with your content. Best!
Brill stuff as ever, masterful Mr Mollusc. I too have just such a fascinating shard which I found amongst post-WW2 landfill in Bushey, Herts and have kept safe for just this moment.Do you do commissions perchance? 😛
Very interesting. Thank you. I love puzzles like this.
I did find that interesting and amazing that you could match them up like that, thank you for the video.
I always love stuff that’s really well researched, if this amount of effort was put into almost any other field or medium we’d have invented time travel or something by now.
This was brilliant, so interesting, more of this please Mike :D
I love this! I have so many pottery sherds and I have often tried to match the design to the plate, not as well as you have though😊
Holy crap, Atomic Shrimp could solve real murder cases, become the real Sherlock Holmes, but wastes his time with pottery fragments :D
Not a waste of…. Very entertaining!
like a true noir detective!
That sounds like a great comedy, actually! A detective with knife sharp observation skills, but with the attention span of a child.
Waste? Bit of a pun there, but indeed, time with pottery fragments would be "on brand" for aid in solving a murdder à la Sherlock Holmes.
Everyone else is enjoying the video, so it’s not a waste of time.. And I suppose it’s not really up to you how Shrimp spends his time.
It's like a historical jigsaw puzzle trying to find out where those bits came from 😊
Google lens really only works on pieces that are unique enough that they couldn't be confused with anything else. My first attempt using it wasn't too long ago when i spotted what was obvious quality (I can usually sniff that a mile off regardless of whether it's in my area of interest) glass ware. Google lens correctly identified it as a josafina krosno hand blown glass.....glass. that one came home with me
You are quite a sleuth! I've picked up a lot of this sort of thing over the years, and I have to admit, it never occurred to me to try to pattern match them.
nice work sleuth shrimp!
This was some good sleuthing.
Thanks Mike, this was fun. 😊
I'm just wondering how long it will be until you make a ceramic transfer plate.
Next you can test them for lead contamination in them. Some people take the shards and make necklace pieces.
If I was a local museum curator. I would be intouch with you to ask for your collection and research. You could even write a book on this. Think about the value this work has to history. It is quite brilliant. Far more interesting an an exhibit than Tracy Emins horrible "art" this exhibition is museum worthy. I found glazed pottery, a pigs tooth and interesting old brick in a MOLE hill at a 13th Century star fort in Denmark's oldest town. I now always kick around mole hills in spring at ancient monuments just to see if the Moles have delivered some artifacts ;)
Yeah, I found a bit of Roman Samian Ware in a molehill once
Sadly, most museums aren't interested in finds like this. As a source material, they're not very useful because contextually, they tell us nothing. If they had come from a pottery factory site, we would use them for identification of extant wares in order to identify pieces we do not know the makers for.
A lot of these plates are available at antique markets and usually for not very much money. But your molehill find sounds really interesting!
I liked the video. It was wonderfully wholesome. I also learned, that I know nothing about pottery :D
Love this sort of thing.
I appreciate the alliteration
Fascinating!
Ah this is wonderful! It must have been so satisfying to find a match.
That was some detective work- have you thought about applying for a forensic scientist post lol
I could watch hours of this!
That was impressive!!
I LOVE this~!
You must be great at jigsaw puzzles.
So cool!
I wonder how long it will be before image searches are fed into "Artificial Intelligence" system that produce a matching product on the fly.
This is extremely cool!!!!
I hope i grow up to be you when i'm older.
Sincerely from a thirty five year old man.
I wonder if Bonn was any relation to Davis Bon? And if they knew whether or not he was still dead? 🤔
Not sure where to comment but I would love your take on a beard butter recipe
Wonderful
If you connect enough fragments, you'll eventually be able to make your own plate.
That's a challenge!! @Atomic Shrimp.... Do it!!! 😂
yeah image matching searches kinda suck for this kind of a thing. you get something similar, but not the thing.
this is unreal that this is possible
Always a pleasure to be part of your joy
This is so interesting!
Didnt expect to be missing Win10 Phone today. Where'd you get that app launcher?
It's called Square Home. It's pretty good
Perfect❤
this is really cool
If you ever find any orange / red pottery it might be made from uranium oxide in the 1940 I think. it would be super interesting to test it for radioactivity. I have been looking for sea glass a couple of times but I have never found any orange pottery to test.
I've found a few pieces of glass that might contain uranium (they fluoresce under near-UV, but other additives might be causing that)
Amazing! How long did this take you to find out where the ceramic fragments came from?
It was a few hours an evening for a week (but an activity like this I can do on my laptop while we're watching a film or something)
Very interesting
Why do I find this fascinating?
Angela White who mudlarks the Themse regularly could be a source of Information. She researches her findings as well as showing them in videos.
Do you mean Nicola White mudlark tideline art?