"Replacement Theology" - Response to Dispensationalists Jack Hibbs, Mark Hitchcock, & Paul Wilkinson
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- thenarrowpath.com | A few years ago, Pastor Jack Hibbs hosted a round-table discussion with Dr's. Mark Hitchcock and Paul Wilkinson ( • Jack Hibbs interviews ... ). The subject was Supersessionism, which they mistakenly labeled as "Replacement Theology." Unfortunately for the audience of that broadcast, there was no one at the table to explain and defend the Supersessionist position that was being criticized. So, Bible teacher Steve Gregg responded with this thorough critique of the Hibbs broadcast.
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What book and chapter says they won’t come back in disbelief but will in faith? I’d love to share it with my Scofield indoctrinated friends. 🙏🏼
@@JesusChristismySavior-Julie
Hey brother, I wanted to share some verses in case this brother doesn’t respond. Read these:
Leviticus 26
Deut 28-30:10 (pretty cut and dry this one, the last 2 sentences are exactly what you’re asking)
Those show the conditions for Israel to have the land and if they’re expelled what needs to happen.
God bless brother, Merry Christmas.
Thanks for your channel, it's so hard to be in church when most Churches are preaching jack hibbs doctrine. Jesus clearly said if you don't have Me you don't have the Father. That's just one of many many scriptures that speak about unbelievers, and yes the Jews are included in the the unbelievers if they don't believe. And the majority of Israel does not believe.
@@josephshackelford7242most churches don’t hold to dispensationalism. No traditional Protestant denomination I know of does. Even the evangelical churches that preach it (mostly in the U.S.) are holding less and less to it because many evangelical pastors are rejecting it. It’s a dying eschatological view. Rightfully so.
Thank you, Jason, for posting Steve’s videos. Hopefully more people will see them because of your willingness to do this work
Thankyou. Gracious, respectful, gentle, sincere, and informative
Thank you Jason. Keep them coming! God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ
Thank you!
Thank you, thank you. I watched this video by these three men. It was hard to listen to what they are teaching but I did not know how to respond. You are such a good teacher and know the Bible well.
You are very welcome
Thank you, Steve. That was very helpful to me. Keep on having the willing heart to share what you understand and believe the Scriptures say and teach....and your willingness to hear what others understand and believe the Scriptures say and teach.
I want to have that openness myself.
God bless you, brother.
Glad it was helpful! To clarify, my name is Jason, and I post the videos for Steve, who is not on CZcams.
This is a wonderful teaching.
My problem with the pretribers is they ate always talking rapture, rapture, rapture. The Bible says the dead in Christ will rise first. Therefore, don't tell me when the rapture is. Tell me when the resurrection of the righteous is. Because, no resurrection of the righteous, no rapture.
Its in 1 Corinthians 15. No man knows that specific day however.
One coming John 5:28-29 all will be raised in one event.
same event,
And there is NO rapture.
That's the noticeable problem. But the root cause problem is them not have true gospel. It's carnal Christianity, Jesus died to spare them from tribulation. And that's a problem.
Thank you for the prelude to this critique and then breaking it down bit by bit. Very helpful.
Thank you Steve! Seems so straight forward. Confusion is of the devil, Jesus Christ will show us the truth, if we really seek it.
And replacement theology is Satan's doctrine.
Merry Christmas Jason! Thank you for your faithfulness in posting Steve Gregg's work for the Body of Christ
Thank you so much. Glad you appreciate it. May God richly bless you!
At the 1:25:04 mark where you were talking about Wilkinson saying we are supposed to look for the signs of His coming. Well in Acts 1:7 we are told
7And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. So this is opposite of what they are telling us. Great Job Steve. Your book 4 views is what opened my eyes to what I was learning at Calvary Chapel since the 90’s. I taught at Calvary and also was a worship leader in Las Vegas and was involved with them for 26 years. I started challenging our pastors concerning their position on eschatology and they asked me and my wife to leave the church 5 months ago. They said we were being divisive. They had absolutely no answers when I showed them all of the arguments including showing them the church fathers. Well, obviously God has a different plan for me and my wife. Your book has led me to now write my own book concerning all of the views to educate people like you did with your 4 views book. Thank you for your ministry and may God continue to bless you
I used to be in a church with Paul Wilkinson (he wasn’t the pastor). I left over 13 years ago over their obsession with Israel and the pre trib rapture.
I just stopped believing what they were teaching and God lead me out.
I've lost friends over this dispisational pretrib rapture lies.
@@romans828. So bizzarra to make such a wild dogma out of like 8 words from one verse in one book of the bible.
"The following statement, if correctly understood, will help to clear up a lot of confusion: The nation of Israel was not the 'Body of Christ,' even though the Body of Christ is indeed the true 'Israel of God.' " (John Reisinger in "The Four Seeds of Abraham")
As a 'baby Christian' I was taught Pre-trib rapture Dispensationalism by "the experts" on TV and Radio and through their best-selling books. So many books sold! - How could they possibly be wrong? And now at least FIVE versions of Left Behind! (Now I know that false teaching is often what suits most people, so of course, they'll sell lots of movies and books.)
Then I began to study the topic myself and found some cracks in the foundation of Dispensationalism. Then more cracks, and some gaping holes and big tears in its fabric. Ultimately, from God's word, using a bit of logic, it was obvious that Dispensationalist eschatology was impossible for one who believes all of God's word is true and inspired.
Having then put aside Dispensationalism, then eventually other forms of Premillennialism, I attempted to view from the Amillennialists' view. While far less problematic (less logically-contradicting), eventually I was able to discard that view, also, then moved toward Postmillennialism as I continued to study God's word.
Postmillennialism, like Amillennialism (as Steve Gregg noted), has deep history in the church prior to 1830 when Darbyism entered the American evangelical landscape. But I didn't stop there. I have kept studying and don't plan to stop. Those who are fully convinced of their eschatological view without having extinguished all of the other views are fooling themselves to think they are well-informed. It's a highly-complex topic, evidenced by the reading of commentaries over centuries.
One thing that helped me was word study and the use of literal translations like Young's, which are invaluable. A close examination of the original texts can help one avoid the embedded eschatological errors of interpretation found in the modern translations.
This should be a challenge all Christians welcome in order to bring them closer to the truth:
Jesus clearly said his return would be *within the generation of his contemporaries.* I'm amazed at how few Christians have ever taken a day (or even a couple hours) to study each of these instances of the word in their context (using proper exegesis, context sensitivity and audience relevance) to see what Jesus was actually talking about, and understand that, if ALL of these prophecies were NOT all fulfilled by AD70, then Jesus was a false prophet, according to Deuteronomy 18:22. That's the simple and plain logic of it.
And I'm fairly certain whoever reads this comment won't spend a couple hours on them either. Now, that's ironic! But maybe you're an exception. I hope you are. Study each of them yourself as I have done, and concluded that ALL of them mean exactly the same thing, a conclusion that logically destroys futurist eschatology views to the same "utter" degree that the temple was destroyed in AD70.
Matthew 23:36
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mark 13:30
Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
THE 26 TIMES JESUS USED THE WORD "GENERATION"
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=generation&order=1&s=order=0&bsec=J&qte=
THE 15 TIMES JESUS SAID "THIS GENERATION"
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=%22this%20generation%22&bsec=J&s=1order=0
There are dozens of verses like this giving a very spefic time frame for the Second Coming of Christ. All to occur within a generation (40 years or so) of his Ascension. As you noted: Dispos and futrists will come up with /any/ excuse to "spitriualize" or "allegorize" these time statments so that words like: happening soon, near to the time, and coming quickly- addressed to spesific living churches of that day- /somethow/ means a generic reader of such letter or scripture 2000+ years in the future. Then they'll turn around and say we are the ones not taking things literally. It's non-sensical. They also claim the entire veiw must hidge on a date in revelation Authorship. This is patently false. Most of the viewpoint's proof scriptures are not even in Revelation, and is most eaily solidfied through the Olivette discourse, or the book of Daniel, or Jerimiah. The /fact/ is in order to take any view other than preterist your entire dogma must rest on the authroship date of revelation, on words not meaning whatthey actualy mean (like "this generation") etc and so on. Once you take a moment to plug a Preterist viewpoint in, you'll find that all of scripture falls neatly into place and none of this wild doctrinal "extra-biblical" mumbo jumbo is needed. it all just meshes in perfection.
@@jakeroon // verses like this giving a very spefic time frame for the Second Coming of Christ. All to occur within a generation (40 years or so) of his Ascension//
Not a single one claims that this would happen within a generation (in terms of a life-span). People misunderstand the term translated as generation there. Translate Genea with Race and perhaps you can catch the drift.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 this has been debunked numerous times by actualy Dcotrates of Greek scholars - the word for "race/nation" is a completely differnt greek word and this is the ONLY place ppl claim the word that means "this generation" means something it doesn't even thtough it;s used many times in the books. It's a cope out that been disproved. Ppl just choose to ignore b/c they want their doctrine to make sense.
Nor does it refute the other 200 + time statments in the bible concering this event. Such as "those standing here will see these thigns" or "those here will not taste death (means not die and ressurtect but not die at all not even once) before ALL these things take place.
The mental gymnastics and word games one has to play to make that doctrine make sense should wear on you after a while.
@@jakeroon "this has been debunked numerous times by actualy Dcotrates of Greek scholars"
And that should impress me now without even a single citation being given?
"the word for "race/nation" is a completely differnt greek word"
No it isn't. There is other words relating to this. E.G. ethnos, but ethnos is about different issues.
"and this is the ONLY place ppl claim the word that means "this generation" means something it doesn't even thtough it;s used many times in the books. "
It means race from the reproductive aspect. Don't conflate this with the taxonomic aspect which looks at it from another angle. It can relate to individuals and groups. And in the Gospel of Mathew in doesn't really mean the postmodern meaning of the word anywhere.
Or can you show me where it definitely means "people living from point X to Y in time" anywhere in the text?
"It's a cope out that been disproved. Ppl just choose to ignore b/c they want their doctrine to make sense. "
It isn't a *cop* out. It's straight reading of the text. I think you are projecting here. The notion that this is about the reproductive aspect of race is a challenge to the dogmatics of many, which insists that the 'NT-Text' contains 'many errors' or 'impossibilities'.
So the notion that "Jesus returns within a generation" was just too convenient for them.
So in conclusion you and the others didn't debunk anything, nor did you prove anything.
People must come to terms with the fact that the bible is actually quite frankly about issues of race, reproduction, regeneration etc. Yes, there is other aspects as well. But with Born Again being the prerequisite to see the 'kingdom of God'. I'd guess you better familiarize yourself with the issue, if you are serious to become a Christian. Or if you want to say anything meaningful about the issue to begin with.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 it should "impress" you enough to go look if you had a shred of intellecdtual honesty and desire to know the truth rather than hang on to a doctrine at all costs. I'm not even gonna justify your attempts at Greek with a response. You're talking out your hat.
so refreshing to see this thank you so much for teaching all views, outstanding !!
Glad it was helpful! To clarify, my name is Jason, and I post the videos for Steve, who is not on CZcams.
EXCELLENT VIDEO!! Saying this is eye-opening is an understatement! Blessings!
Glad you have been blessed by it!
I saw that program at the time. It wasn't at all a biblical study but an opinionated discussion with an agenda to promote preconceived idras or notions of the end time.
Thank you Steve Gregg! You have clarified a lot that I hadn't voiced!
Where did you see it?
A very well put critique of dispensationalism. I wish more people would view this👍
It' trash
“Well put” and true are two very different things. As has been shown here.
Ms. Rightly Dividing,
You say 'It's trash", how so?
I was indoctrinated in the Mid-Acts system for over 14 yrs, and can't recall ever hearing a sound scriptural argument that could counter Mr. Gregg's. Never heard R. Jordan, J.J., D. Reid, D. Osteen, etc., ever give the kind of sound exegesis I've heard Steve Gregg provide on biblical topics. I may not agree with him on everything, but he makes more biblically sound
sense than does hyperdispensationalism.
Hope you'll pray, asking the Lord to guide you and show you His truth, and be humble enough to accept that your current understanding might not be correct.
This guys entire argument falls apart in first twenty mins as he doesn’t read Gods word. Luke 22:20 “Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the 👉🏼new testament👈🏼 in my blood, which is shed for you.“. Jesus never said this is the new covenant, He said this is the New Testament. But… when you read from one of the 250 plus “modern” perversions of the Bible you will get “new covenant” in Luke 22:20. If you read Gods word, the King James Bible… replacement theology is dead in the water right there in Luke 22:20. God is not a LIAR, the new covenant is for Israel and will be instituted in Daniels 70th week.
@@paulkilby4527 you quite clearly do not know what the word testament means - it is a Greek word here that quite openly means a new covenant as compared to the old covenant. Try reading chapter 8 of Hebrews and remember it was written to Jewish Christian’s of the first century i.e. The Church.
It seems impossible to me to read the words of Christ and think he meant anything other than a new covenant.
Israel will not get their new covenant until Christ returns. The Body of Christ Church is not in covenant with God. We are part of His will and Testament, so we also (as does Israel) have an inheritance.
@@bugsocsollie1694 We are Israel. There is no national salvation only personal salvation. Paul uses the word covenant in 2 Corinthians 3. Romans 11 shows the root and branch of the new covenant that there is no separation between Jew and Gentile in Christ. The Apostles are remnant Jews themselves and were saved without Christ having to come again. John 14.
@bugsocsollie1694
You say that like covenant and testament have different meanings. The same word is translated both ways. (See biblehub.com/greek/diathe_ke_s_1242.htm). When Paul talks being a minister of the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6), Hebrews talks about the New Covenant for Israel (Hebrews 9:15), Paul quotes Jesus on establishing the New Covenant in his blood for us (1 Corinthians 11:23-25), when Jesus speaks of the New Covenant he established the night before he was crucified (Luke 22:20), they all use the same word.
Paul even explains in Galatians 4 with the same (plural) word: 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
@robertmyers6488 Actually, in this Dispensation of Grace, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Body of Christ Church. Before this Dispensation began with Paul, there absolutely was a distinction made between Jew and Gentile. Jesus certainly made the distinction to His Disciples telling them to not go to the Gentiles. He said that He only came for Israel. Surely you can see the distinction being made then.
After this Dispensation of Grace for the Gentiles is over, there will be a distinction made again between Jew and Gentile. The 144,000 Jews are all Israel. And they are being a light unto the Gentiles.
@SteveGreggVideos Yes, in the Greek it is the same word : Testament and Covenant. But a Testament is not the same as a Covenant. Israel is under Covenant with God. The Body of Christ Church is not under a covenant, but we are part of His will and Testament being also a member of God's family.
No longer is it only Israel that has an inheritance, but now, so does the Body of Christ Church. It's not the same inheritance as Israel's because we are not the same member of God's family as is Israel.
Steve. I appreciate how you detail you findings and try to not have any lean on the information. People are so very easily swayed by other leanings that it is such a rare thing to hear topics and be able to have deeper explanation but determine opinions on your own. I really enjoy your teaching.
Does God employ only one way or method of teaching?
No. And the evidence is in the stories, metaphors, similes and events.
Are humans trees?
Are we olive branches?
Simple reading of scripture reveals that dispensationalism is untrue.
As to "replacement," theology, the bes, but not only example, is the teachings of the RCC.
Purgatory is an invention of the RCC....not found in scripture.
"Come, let us reason together."
Good job, Steve.
Ah. I remember you from an evening home fellowship in Soquel California(Santa Cruz area), maybe 15 years ago?
Always love your lectures and debates. Listening to this one now Have a Merry Christmas Steve.
I’m Reformed, I appreciate your videos. Thanks for your videos and the labor you do for the Lord.
The way I understand the grafting on of branches described by Paul is the wild branches are gentiles being grafted on, and the original branches are the Jews. It's like the 2 sticks becoming 1 in God's hand in Ezekiel 37.
Ezekiel 37 is all about the nation of Israel both the northern and southern kingdoms being brought back together as one nation ! Israel is still scattered within all nations, we are being awakened by the most high to be a light to the nations, those with eyes to see and ears to hear will get it and cleave(help) us which the citizens of Babylon/USA have continued to oppress and wear out the saints, whatever you do to us is counted as doing it to our messiah! The church is the tool used by hasatan to wear out the saints, come out of her and perhaps mercy may be extended to you!
Thank you Steve!
I've heard all the viewpoints you mention and *STILL* dispensationalism is the correct one to me - the one that makes straight literal sense of what God is teaching us through His Scripture.
@37:00 When Jack Hibbs begins to speak:
Preterists date the book before 70AD because the book itself puts it in the period when the temple was still standing as John was told to measure the temple in Rev 11:1-2. So the Preterist is the only one who takes a biblical view!
My eschatological views and my take on Revelation are largely the fruit of Steve's ministry. I was already seeing the reality of "supersessionism" in the NT, and I came across Steve on a website dedicated to Amillennialism while researching what it was...and I've listened to his teachings ever since. I've been very blessed overall. God (continue to) bless you brother Steve.
God is awesome! Praise Jesus! Glad to here Steve's ministry has blessed yours.
Gentile belivers don't supersede Israel. The first church's foundation was the twelve apostles, who are all Jews. Gentiles join Israel and SHARE in the Messiah, which becomes their Messiah also.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 15:27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
@@ricoyochanan, I'm not sure who said "Gentile believers" supercede anything... The New Covenant supercedes the Old.
I honestly have no desire to debate theology with perfect strangers online...maybe find someone else to debate?
Ok, I won't bother you with a debate but that does not exempt your comment from being corrected. That's what I was addressing. The church is largely Gentile, but I should have used the term New Covenant instead. You mentioned the reality of supersessionism. Supesessionism is Replacement Theology, an unbiblical teaching. The church doesn't replace Israel, the Gentiles SHARE in the blessings of the Messiah, not replace. Rom 15:27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. Gentiles are PARTAKERS, not usurpers.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.@@ForrestS
@@ricoyochanan, the church may be predominantly "Gentile" now, but at first it was almost exclusively Jewish. Yes, we have come into the olive tree, but those who did not have been cut off. It is believers in covenant relationship with God through the blood of Christ that are God's people (the Israel of God). Jesus and John both clearly taught that if you deny Christ, He will deny you, and if you reject the Son, you don't have the Father either. The Bible is clear that the only valid covenant now is the New Covenant (in Christ's blood). There are no promises or standing with God outside of Christ. The whole New Testament (and the entire Bible, honestly) attest to this.
But, alas, you are convinced of your own view, are not here for a discussion - but to "correct"... therefore no honest discussion seems possible and debate is likely futile.
Thank you for this video. I was declared to be a "replacement theory nut" when i discussed the pruned olive tree with grafted believers.
I didn't know what they were referencing, so i just referred them to Scripture.
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
God IS great!
Thanks for providing a lot of clarity. 👍
Thank you Steve for this clarification.... like you, I've been on a similar journey. And i have found the Bible very challenging of my previous views. I was formerly a Word of Faith Preacher. And when I brought my church out of the Word of Faith movement. We as a group decided to question everything, and study everything from scratch. So we understand why you hesitate to tell people your personal view. Presently I can't describe my view of eschatology.... because it is a biblical journey.
I'm glad you're out of the Word of Faith Movement! God bless you on your journey! To clarify, my name is Jason, and I post the videos for Steve, who is not on CZcams.
Thank you for your honest comment. It's very difficult to admit we were wrong and want to learn the true meaning of God's truth. God bless you on your search. It seems you have humbled your heart to the Lord and want His truth, which only His Spirit can teach. I too wish only to know what God is saying in His word and not my own personal interpretation.
@@walterf6993 thank you for these kind words... that are also very hard to admit to someone you don't know.... and very rare these days.
A biblical based approach, scripture interprets scripture.
i went to a Calvary Chapel church for about 5 years. the Pastor started a Series on the book of Revelation. So one day after a Sunday meeting .. When he found out i did not go along with a Pre-Trib Rapture of the Church. He came up to me an got in my face all red. I said i just disagree and thought Hank Hanegraaff was right. So i was chewed out somewhat before some of them. so i said if i can,t have a disagreement on this then i am outa here.
Wow, that is not a healthy church! I was going to a Calvary Chapel, and end times stuff was brought up A LOT. I talked to the pastor on the side many times, questioning things he taught. It wasn't long before he said I couldn't teach or serve in any other capacity at the church. He had a lot of good teaching, but he turned every single sermon, no matter where in the Bible into at least 5-10 minutes on the end times. That and it was tough to endure for months as he taught the dispensationalist view of Revelation on Sundays and Isaiah on Wednesdays. We moved on a found a great congregation to worship with. ~ Jason
@@SteveGreggVideossure,,,,you sought a seeker-friendly church. There are many of those.
@@otis4349 You don't know anything about it, but you'll make up lies. Real godly of you.
@@SteveGreggVideosI work hard and study the scriptures. They tell of Israel being brought back in disbelief and Jesus will return when they mourn for whom they pierced and cry out for him. Where is the lie that I may correct it?
@@SteveGreggVideos You seem to fail in recognizing many Prophecies that have dual fulfillment. I won’t call you a liar though you misunderstand church history. The early Church Fathers and patriarchs believed in this.
I must say this is a very well done explanation. I held a few false presumptions about "replacement theology" , or rather remnant theology. I think the problems with labels is that it immediately boxes you in from the viewpoint of others and also for yourself. What I learned that, it's "ok" to be boxed in as long as you use that as a point of study and there is a willingness to leave the box when you find a better suiting one. The issue with dispensationalism is that most of that theology-system is a "mid-Acts" type of dispensationalism. Now as that gave me problems and issue's that my mid-Acts-dispensational group would not answer. I t led me to more self study which led me to my current view and that is Acts28-dispensationalism which in my opinion is more refined and perfected. Now immediately hearing that i'm sure some will get the wrong idea, again that's the problem with labels, but hey you have to name it something for reference. According to most dispensationalists the Acts28 variant is "ultra" and therefore that's bad they say. I don't share the opinion that everything must be taken literally but to favor a correct literal translation that you can then interpret based on the context. I think the dispensational-system can simply be a lens on which you view scriptures through, as is remnant theology. People can be right and wrong about things apart from their lens-system. I disagree with many things most dispensationalist say and agree with people from other views say but I can still fit them in the Acts28-disp. system that I adhere to. I think no view on earth is perfect, and the truth is probably a combination of a couple different views. Ultimately God will reveal it to us and we will have a perfected knowledge. I recently shared a video [that is just one of Acts28-disp views] in a summarizing video until I'm able to make my own video's again.
Replacement theology is Satan's doctrine.
Steve I have been listening for 2 days now and I am hit to the heart at not only truth being declared, but the manner in which you present it. Very loving, very balanced, very open minded. Your ability to declare without mocking is frankly striking. This is what give your position much more believability. The light mocking of the 3 pastors and much more is the rejection of a debate with the 4 of you is a tell-all to me.
The symbolic nature of the book of Revelation over against the literal interpretation of dispensationalism is clearly seen in the book. I am no way ion the side of people who literalize all the things in the Word Of God that God symbolizes. Yet I have fellowship with people on the other side.
People are blind and ignorant of interpretation and maybe that is what God means by those who read Revelation may receive an extra blessing as they seek to really compare scripture with scripture finding out what God really says by what he has written.
Hat's off to you keep up the great work and pray for those brothers who need to study more within the scriptures instead of reading the current events to interpret scripture.
Praise God!
It is so clear. How do they miss it?
Israel today is not Israel of the Bible
nor the Israel of the future.
Dispensationalists do not take everything literally.
True, not even close. They see missiles, jets, helicopters, tanks and 2000 year gaps!
Bit of fleshy facetiousness creeping in me thinks , letting the veil drop for a moment,.... lol. Oh well .@@SteveGreggVideos
@@twoyoutoob might be a bit fleshy… but is he wrong?
Remember Jesus also made jokes to exaggerate points!
@@SteveGreggVideos Don;t forget the mushroom clouds!
I did a deep dive study of the Book of Revelation in 2020. I came out of it a full preterist, understanding that people who ascribe to the pre-millenial dispensationalist view have not actually read the Bible. The Kingdom of Christ is not of this world - it is spiritual; it rises above the mortality and the corruptions of this world. Jesus made it clear that references to Israel and New Jerusalem are spiritual, not biological, geographic, or socio-political; especially in Ephesians and Galatians. I like how Pastor Baldwin calls 'replacement' theology' 'fulfillment theology.'
I think that dispensationalism and modern Zionism poisoned modern American Christianity. When you call something heretical, you better be absolutely certain that it is not supported by the scriptures... I am absolutely certain that dispensationalism, rapture theology, and literal interpretations are NOT supported in the scriptures.
You know a tree by its fruit... What is the fruit of dispensationalism in American Christianity?
I own a copy of your Revelation, Four Views book. It's excellent. I appreciate that you presented each of them fairly and objectively.
I undertook my study of Revelation with a friend who shares Hibbs' views. She was absolutely unwilling to entertain the proofs I presented that modern teachings are not supported in the scriptures.
How do these guys deal with the fact that Jesus explicitly (literally) said that was was speaking in parable.
If you read Revelation literally, you have to believe that the Greek Titans will be released from imprisonment in the ocean depths and alien invaders will be coming to harvest their human crops.
We do not battle against flesh and blood, we fight against spirits and principalities.
Um, no... It is not for us to know when he will come; we are not to look for signs. We are called to occupy Christ's Kingdom in this world.
New Jerusalem, the heavenly/spiritual Jerusalem is the mother of us all. Christ lived and died to bring his spiritual kingdom to this world 2000 years ago. Christ is there now IMO, this is not and will not be a geo-political location. The kingdom of Christ is here now.
I threw my Scofield Reference Bible in the trash in 2013. I now own "The Jesus Bible," (editor-in-chief, Louie Giglio) in which every book from Genesis to Revelation relates to the Lord Jesus. Jesus is Lord, not the modern state of Israel. Can Jack Hibbs sleep at night knowing over 20,000 men, women and children are dead?
Dispensationalism is one of the most clever desceptions ever devised by m4ss4d agents. Gettting entire generations of American Christains to fund/support a foreign state without question. One that largely despises Christianity. In other circles such people would be called "useful 1d10ts" . The amount of horror dispensaionalists have excused over the years is shocking.
GOD bless Israel.
Replacement theology is Satan's doctrine.
I ask, has any church leader or teacher accurately predicted the timing of the events or date of the events in Revelations. No.
But the real question is why do Christians obsess over what and when on the events of Revelations.
Mostly, because humans want to know what will happen tomorrow.
If a Christian is living according to God's commands, then the, what, where and how of tomorrow's events, will not concern us.
It's just baffling what Christians argue about. I seriously wonder if Christians throughout history would not have been better off reading scripture without the influence of preachers and leaders. Seriously.
Well, the way the world is right now.. Today... Many DO want to examine Revelations closely. I believe The Jews are God's chosen people so Israel's attack from every enemy vantage point seems ominous..
@gambosix6 I know people want to examine Revelations.
My question is why? If Christians have read the O.T and most all of the N.T., it's pretty clear what God expects of us, and that if we fulfill God's will, we will be in heaven at our death. When and how end times are fulfilled should not matter to us, if we live each day as though it is our last day.
As to Israel and the Jews, God's will and plans are of no concern of Christians, except to the extent we evangelize and do nothing to interfere with God's plan. All is in God's plan.
As to the Jews being God's Chosen, it means God's directive to them is to be carried out by them. Chosen, does not mean, "favored,," it means chosen to carry out a God directed responsibility of the Jews to bring knowledge of God to the world. And again, that is not our business.
@gambosix6 Jews being attacked, their land and their person is a historically repeated pattern. The recent attack on Israel is not unique or more significant than past attacks.
As Christians, we pray for Israeli leadership to be wise in their response to the attacks, and we pray God will protect the Jews.
My concern is, if these Bible “teachers” can’t get this eschatology stuff right how can I trust what they say about everything else? John 2:21 is just one of dozens of examples in the NEW testament that so plainly tells us Jesus is the true Israel. Are they reading the same Bible? Isn’t false teaching a sin? Are they not false teachers?
No man has it all 100% correct. We see through a glass darkly. That's why our building on the foundation will be tried with fire in the end. Only Truth will stand on That Day.
Thanks for posting this Jason.
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God bless you all, and merry Christmas !!
Merry Christmas and God be with you!
@@SteveGreggVideoscan you share with me what book and chapter says they won’t go back in disbelief but with faith? I’d love to share with my Scofield indoctrinated friends. 🙏🏼
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the CZcams videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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The replacement label cuts both way. Dispensationalist have replaced Christ as the only way to God. And that's a dangerous thing to do, and they don't seem to have adequately thought about it.
If you teach ppl other views, it's harder to control ppl.
I’d be great to see Steve debate Hitchcock. Steve would show him a thing or two.
Would've thought the issue at hand was "a love of the truth" not who's going to show who a thing or two. SMH.
@@twoyoutoob Desiring and sharing a love of the truth is not mutually exclusive with showing an ignorant or misinformed person "a thing or two." Are you a premil rapture-seeker? If so, you're gonna need a much better defense.
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Sounds like you are wanting a dog fight and your money is on Steve.
Sorry, I should rephrase that, “STEVE WOULD CLEAN HIS CLOCK”. There, satisfied?
I stopped following jack and jd Amir five years ago they did not make since me so glad I found your channel
Of all people you'd think Christians with the mind of Christ could "judge with righteous judgment" and not do the ad hominems and convenient omissions and straw men. The Dispensational banner wavers are an embarrassment IMO and need to do some soul searching away from the herd they're running in. What are they so afraid of?
Thank you Jason.
Greetings from Kamloops BC Canada 🍁
You're welcome brother!
No one knows who is right. Only time will tell.
Precisely. Nobody can argue with this statement.
I have been going to Calvary Chapel Chino Hills for about two months. It has been an incredible blessing to be there for the worship, Pastor Jack has given insightful messages and I have learned a lot from him. I have never heard him bash other churches or pastors, I do believe there can be disagreements within the body of Christ. As long as everyone agrees to disagree, Agreeably. There are a lot of Calvary Chapels all over , I don’t call them a denomination. Brian Broderson of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa for example may have quite different beliefs than Pastor Jack and other Calvary Pastors. I haven’t focused my attention on prederism, calvanism or greg scottism. I don’t care about flat earth as some Christians do. I will fall back on the Rock of our faith. I think that as long as I have faith in Christ and he is my Savior, I’m on solid ground. The Holy Spirit leads us to Truth. I heard you out in your video, but in the end I will seek the Lord for ultimate guidance.
We can have differing beliefs on non essential issues, but can't ignore the gross error of Replacement Theology. RT churches, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant have persecuted,, exiled, killed, forced conversions of the Jews for 19 centuries that finally led to the Holocaust. Beliefs have consequences. When most Jews today hear the name Jesus, they cringe because of the pogroms, exiles and killings done in His name.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: .....
That's the best thing to do. We fight way to much about this stuff.
Bravo, well said!!
Some concepts are of much greater importance than others. If you fundamentally misunderstand the role of Israel, you misunderstand the role of Jesus.
At what point does it become foundational ?
@toolegittoquit_001 your right. At first I thought it's not a big deal. But after listening to many of his videos, I'm seeing what th8s view leads to. And I do think it's foundational. It seems to lead to a dark place. 😕
I love this "Christ replaced Israel". I would argue that you can point to a moment in time where there was only one faithful Jew alive, Jesus, and at that one singular moment in history everyone else had abandoned God. That moment in time was either at the cross or at the resurrection of Jesus. At that moment in time God started over building the new Israel from a single person.
I think scripture supports your point: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." Gal 3 : 16
This one verse shuts the entire view of Dispensaionalism down.
I agree. I went and studied verse to verse following along the pre trib rapture , dispensations ..something seemed always pushed other the rug , misinterpreting scripture. Until I started w the partial preterist and reading the Bible as its written w no preconceived notion did it finally make sense and give me peace
Occam’s razor…Dispensationalism requires next level intellectual laziness. It’s so disjointed there’s no continuity. It relies on parenthetical eisegesis. What’s more is that it mandates literalism where symbolic and symbolism were literal. Hibbs and company are plainly deceived. Well done Steve. How blessed we all are you never attended seminary.
I'm not a dispensationalist but I believe Scripture is clear that the only covenant that was broken was the Mosaic covenant because it was the only one that required obedience on behalf of national Israel. The Abraham covenant and Davidic covenant are still unfolding according to God's Word as they were unconditional, irrevocable promises made by God.
Zechariah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Joel, Hosea, Habubuk, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Psalms, Romans, Hebrews, Matthew, John, and Revelation all point toward a future redemption of national, ethnic Israel. The church body and the national remnant of Israel will be made one at Jesus' 2nd advent.
I’m a dispensationalist and I do not believe that Jack Hibbs takes the view that Jesus was a loaf of bread or a door or a branch. Dispensatioalism does not always take the Bible literally. We understand that some of the scriptures are metaphors, illustrations and parables and are not intended to be taken literally.
“When the plain sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense, lest it result in nonsense.”
I grew up in a reformed church that had Westminister Seminary professors teaching at it. When the speaker was leaving Calvary I was leaving my church. Why? Because i saw the rapture taught by Ireneaus and St Ephraim of Syria. I was told at nauseum that rapture started with Mary MacDonald. The speaker just said that the early Church fathers believed the Church replaced Israel. Really. John and Peter? Maybe Paul?
I can trace replacement theolog back to Augustine.
Calvary Chapel is one of the biggest non-denominational denomination..
If I understand you correctly, the first major problem you need to explain is Jeremiah 31, namely, how do you interpret "...a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah...", if you don't do so literally?
Awesome examination!
Good job.
I am curious about the physical return of Christ. Is there clear biblical evidence of the timing of the return? Of the nature of the return? Of the condition of humanity? Does Heaven end and become physical? Is our hope to be in the return of Christ or in His presence now and forever?
These men have no scripture to quote that’s actually in the Bible. And their condescending tones are horrific. I believe and it gives me peace , confidence in my future and purpose to my life .
Regarding Israel coming to faith in Christ; Hibbs and Hitchcock, even though they did not refer to any scriptures it does not mean the references do not exist. Zechariah 12:10-14 speaks directly to support the position that Israel will come to faith in Christ.
Shalom!
Love your teachings, but it’s a bit hard to stay focused with all the commercial interruptions.
Political ads too
That's CZcams not the fault of the channel
Go read Jeremiah it says GOD divorced Israel and sent her on her way! I wonder why they never quote those scriptures I can't remember the verses right now but just go read Jeremiah for yourselves please ✝️🙏
Hi. According to Jeremiah 3, God is making a distinction between the 10 tribes/Northern Kingdom (ISRAEL) and the Southern kingdom (JUDAH). Can you please state your understanding on this "Divorce" you speak of? Thank you. Looking forward to your view.
I Will Put My Spirit Within You
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Dispensationalism makes it easy to apply some scripture and ignore others. Find something you don’t like and you can claim it only applies to past believers and currently you’re off the hook.
Really, which Scriptures do we ignore? That Jesus only came for Israel? We actually have a formula for knowing which Scriptures are to us and which ones are not to us.
Those pertaining to Israel according to their prophecy, obviously are not about the Body of Christ Church.
@@bugsocsollie1694 Really, because that's who the New Covenant is for! ....
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people...... Not only that, but in Revelation the New Jerusalem is going to have 12 gates and only the 12 tribes enter. We are grafted in to Israel, we are no longer Gentiles. All Israel obeys God's Laws, Scripture states that there's only ONE LAW about 50 times. You contradict scripture by being dispensationalists. That is how you pick and choose. Why not just OBEY ALL of God's Laws as our Messiah did?
@bugsocsollie1694
Read:
Acts 13:46.
Now go read all of Acts 13:
Then read Ephesians 2:11-18
Galatians 3:26-29
We are grafted into One Vine.
Jesus is The Vine.
John 10:14-16-One flock
1 Corinthians 12:12-31-One
We are Spiritual Jews-Gods people-Romans 2:28-29
Ezekiel 36:24-27
Romans 9
Ephesians 4:4-6 One
Hebrews 9:16-22
@bugsocsollie1694 Dispensationalist make Daniel to be a false prophet as Daniel 2 and Daniel 9 were not fulfilled, even though they clearly were started. So rip out the book of Daniel out of your Bible. No future 70th week.
@jimijames7703 nowhere in Scripture does it say that we are spiritual Israel. It doesn't say it anywhere because it isn't true.
We are not grafted into Israel. We are grafted into Holiness AMONG Israel, with Israel.
If the first fruits are Holy, so is the lump. If the root be Holy, so are the branches. Then Paul goes into the whole "branches" thingy.
Before the Body of Christ Church began with Paul, only Israel was Holy, set apart, sanctified before God. But because they fell in unbelief and are diminished (Romans 11:11-12) , salvation has come to the Gentiles. (You see how Paul makes a distinction between Israel and the Body of Christ Church, not between Jew and Gentile??? ) the Body of Christ Church is not Israel. Israel is Israel, and Israel is a nation... or they will be again when God calls out to them again.
Excellent and clear
I read about this. Nonliteral bible study. Thankyou for this. No idea how I found you but glad I did. Hope it works for you.
Did this Hibbs clan make any references to the Bible?
All the time
When I first got saved in 2005 I tried to find a rapture but non of it made sense to me so I prayed to GOD for the truth and He led me to a man named Hank H I can't spell his last name properly but it's something like Hanagraffe I know I butchered his name but anyway I learned the truth from him he wrote a book called the apocalypse code but this man Steve Gregg is teaching the truth about end times really well! I pray they don't treat him the same way they did Hank poor guy lost all his calls to lecture and he lost his program called the Bible answer man! Because of this I think dispensationalists is cultist 🤷✝️🙏💯
I actually first heard Steve when he was a guest on the Bible Answer Man broadcast with Hank Hanegraaff in 04 or 05! ~ Jason
@@SteveGreggVideosJason, I am happy to know Steve was a guest of Hank's on the his Bible Answer Man program. Hank has long been one of my heroes of the Faith.
I fairly recently came across Steve's radio show a few months ago. And have been impressed for the most part.
I must say he's opened my heart and mind to other possibilities, especially concerning Israel and eschatology. I look forward to more of his teachings.
Brenda, I congratulate you on finding Hank's ministry. He has been one of my favorite teachers' for years. Keep listening to him!
I love how thorough this is. It's so great that terms were defined first. This is typically where problems occur and where people can easily talk past each other. Thanks for this video.
This was such a well done critique. I would like to share this on my CZcams Channel Guide4TruthTV.
I recommend the book written by Dr Ken Johnson, Ancient Church Fathers: What the Disciples of the Apostles Taught.
One thing I don't hear dispensationalists address is that Jesus doesn't come back for Israel but only for unbelieving Israel
As a full Preterist I viamently disagree with the assertion that the early date of Revelation is essential to solidify the logic of the viewpoint. In fact revelation is the least nessecary to it. The Book of Daniel being the core, the olivette discourse being the flesh. The Epistels being the blood. Revelation is little more than the robe to finish it off. A preterist could simply concede that teh later date was fine and the events in the book pretain to the small perecution events that occured during Domiscian's reighn, and call it good. That isn;t nessecary b/c as noted many times the "later date" theory is on incredibly shakey ground ENTIRLY hidging on the fact that John the Apostel is assumed to tbe the writter, and we only have one secondhand witness to back that up in a citation of a comentary we no longer have copies of.
Is this a repost?
I haven't posted it, but others have.
@@SteveGreggVideos Good. Then I'm not going crazy. Excellent video, by the way.
Thank you for this message... Regarding the concept of Replacement Theology there are really two distinctly separate issues:
1) Did the new testament ekklesia replace the old testament ekklesia?
2) Is the nation of Israel elect and restored to God at the return of the Son of man as King?
The brick wall that most dispensationalists run into, leading to unnecessary confusion and division, is the denial that the new testament ekklesia replaced the old testament ekklesia [Note: ekklesia, the Greek New Testament word for "church," or more precisely, "assembly," "gathering," or "congregation," is used 66 times in 62 verses of the old testament (LXX), starting with Deuteronomy 4:10; ekklesia is found 114 times in 111 verses of the Greek New Testament].
Our Lord Jesus states this truth in the gospel of Matthew...
Matthew 21:43-44 "Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him."
Let me share some commentary with you (Note: I don't agree with everything the commentators state)...
"shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof-that is, the great evangelical community of the faithful, which, after the extrusion of the Jewish nation, would consist chiefly of Gentiles, until “all Israel should be saved” (Ro 11:25, 26). This vastly important statement is given by Matthew only." >>> Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 2, p. 53).
"Our Lord tells them plainly, that God was removing his church from them to the Gentiles, which he calleth a people that should bring forth the fruits thereof." >>> Poole, Matthew (1853). Annotations upon the Holy Bible (Vol. 3, p. 102). Robert Carter and Brothers.
"The words foreshadow the appearance of the Christian church." >>> Morris, L. (1992). The Gospel according to Matthew (p. 544). W.B. Eerdmans; Inter-Varsity Press.
Here is a brief clip from Michael Heiser: czcams.com/users/clipUgkxUS6ezb-eex5a9ReaMrRr7O4yMtvfmiVu
I want to address the language brother Heiser uses >>> "I think the church has replaced Israel."
I believe it would have been helpful if he would have stated, "I believe Christians replaced the nation of Israel as the church of God in the new testament," or, "I believe the new testament church replaced the old testament church in God's economy," or something to that effect.
You could also say the new testament ekklesia is a continuation of the ekklesia of God.
The eschatological revelation is multi-layered; we have to qualify Biblical truth with additional Biblical truths in order to gain understanding and see the big picture. It can be very, very difficult to articulate, and that is to the glory of God (Proverbs 25:2).
Where covenantalists are dangerously errant is in regard to Israel; some even state that the church is Israel (the truth is, I believe, the saints, all the saints in salvation history, and not the church, are the Israel of God).
Scripture bears out a dual fulfillment of the promises to Abraham through the Seed.
The fulfillment to the natural descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, is a fulfillment to a remnant of regenerated Jews/Israelites (Zechariah 12:10-14) who cry out, "Baruch haba b'shem Adonai."
Matthew 23:39 "For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
These natural descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will be saved when the Deliverer comes from Zion...
Romans 11:26-27 "And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, 'The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob;' 27 'and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.'"
This group is prophesied in Zechariah 13...
Zechariah 13:8-9 "And in all the land, declares the LORD, two-thirds will be cut off and perish, but a third will be left in it. 9 This third I will bring through the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’ ”
This group is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 36...
Ezekiel 36:24-29 "I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 28 You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29 And I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. And I will summon the grain and make it abundant and lay no famine upon you."
This remnant of Jews/Isaelites will be regenerated and enter the Messianic kingdom as mortal men and women in the nation of Israel.
Jesus is the only way!
Blessings
The bible is written for us, not to us.
2 Timothy 2:24-25 KJV
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, [25] In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
I like the way you teach, reminded me of this gentle and apt to teach. I've always thought that dispensational teaching was error and needed to hear someone that actually knew what this doctrine is. But anyways you mentioned the way they are teaching like bullies and that i agree because ive come across some men that have divisive language and do call anyone that dont know their doctrine as ignorant and unlearned idiots. So that was the first warning I got because i heard my friend talking like that and stumbled upon others online with the same views and the same language.
Ezekiel 20:41-43
1:56:00 I think they do not debate the other side because they see the other side as heresy. It is a self-reinforcing opinion. And it means they cannot be reached by discussion-they will have to suffer the consequences of their own judgment when every thing they have asserted about dispensationalism fails. No debate can do that. Only God can do that.
Jack Hibbs reminds me of Hebrews 5:12, he has never passed the “ milk “ phase onto solid food. I’ve listened to some of his videos and he is always vague and seldom using scripture, in context, to back up what he says. Sadly he is feeding those unwise enough to listen to him, milk, I dare some of which is sour. Mr. Gregg, is solid food teacher. Not to overly praise him, but it’s amazing how he can so calmly and lucidly he can explain and extort, with notes. I guess 50 years of teaching Bible will do that. Great vid, done with love and charity, unlike those who disagree with use. God bless
Interesting to note, Israel is mentioned 1000 times in the OT yet only about 73 times in the NT. Why you might ask? Because Jesus is true Israel. All those prophecies spoke of Him and are fulfilled in Him.
The problem is that Christians allow themselves to be "taught," but refuse to listen to the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said. (Jn. 14)
There has been one "man-centered movement" after another since the apostles vacated the earth. Today, all "man's teachings"
DOMINATE what is called the Church. However, Jesus will come WHEN He said He would, and He alone will be King of the Earth,
and He will choose those who have OBEYED Him. Obedience is an "on-going thing." Rare it is that someone resists errors.
How many that populate the many congregations and have been taught a Dispensationalist - tainted Gospel have zero idea of the significant implications ?
Few can fully appreciate the endless nuances of the Boble / Gospel but this is pretty sad nonetheless
Ezekiel 36 & 37
Scripture refutes the claim that the land covenant was fulfilled under Joshua in several places and yet it keeps coming up as a proof-text.
1) The land covenant is promised to Israel several times after Joshua
2) The land Joshua conquered was the land promised under the Mosaic Covenant. Abraham’s Land covenant was far more vast.
The land covenant promised to Israel was NOT fulfilled in Joshua 21:43-45 or in Joshua 23:14
Joshua is referring to the land promised as outlined in Numbers 34:1-15. This land was given to them as promised. Not one word failed of that promise. God was faithful. They were not!
The land of promise (covenant) is found in Gen. 15:18-21.
This land covenant is far larger than what is described in Numbers 34:1-10. It goes all the way into the land of Egypt’s Nile!
Furthermore, the land covenant is reiterated again even after Joshua’s declaration; hundreds of years later by Amos (and others).
Amos 9:14-15
“…I will plant them in their land,
And no longer shall they be pulled up
From the land I have given them,” Says the LORD your God.”
Therefore, it is plain what Joshua spoke of was not the Land of the Covenant!
From Amos, the land covenant was not fulfilled because they were pulled up out of the land and the land was trampled under Gentile rule for millennia!
The day will come when they will not be uprooted and Yeshua Mashiach (Jesus Christ) will reign on David’s throne!
I call it Grafted In theology.
Agreed - for the futurist it should not matter since none of the prophecy (ch.6-19) is fulfilled until after their speculated pre-trib rapture. If Preterism were true then the Revelation is really a Jewish prophecy, at least until ch.20. Both Preterists and futurists leap over the entire church era, and both do it by the same method of conjectured interpretation.
If the Revelation were written before the destruction of Jerusalem, as the Preterist hypotheses require, and some of the Amillennials prefer, about 60 AD, then Jesus neglected the most prominent church of that day: where the first several church councils took place and are recorded in the book of Acts, The Church at Jerusalem was the most prominent church of the pre-destruction era and would be one of the churches “which are”. It is however, conspicuously absent from the seven churches named in the Revelation Epistles. That is because it no longer existed in the last decade of the first century, when the Revelation was written. That is why we have no external record of the Revelation before the destruction of Jerusalem, or 95 AD.
This internal evidence alone precludes the Preterist interpretation of the Revelation (that it is of the destruction of Jerusalem), if pre-desolation as they contend, that it would not be primarily addressed to the Church at Jerusalem is unthinkable. Additionally, with the absence of any empirical evidence in their favor, it completely overthrows the hypothesis and conjecture on which their pre-destruction date solely depends.
An Historicist cannot accept an early date because of the qualifier that the foretold future things would shortly come to pass and had only to do with the Church as opposed to National Israel.
The Apostle John, upon the death of Domitian about 95 AD., is released from his Patmos prison and returns to his home at Ephesus where many years earlier he settled after leaving Judea, as did the whole church because of Jesus' prior warnings and accordingly carried the Gospel to the ends of the Roman Empire and beyond. Ephesus was the first of the seven churches to which he received epistles in the Revelation later on at Patmos. The One who knows all things, gave the Revelation to John on the eve of his release. Whether John was able to actually write down the Revelation while at Patmos seems unlikely, as the presence of the necessary materials on the isolated island prison would seem much too scarce if available at all. There is however no doubt that John would have received both the materials and the help necessary for the labor and production of the letters that would first be produced for the seven named churches, then for the church at large throughout the Roman Empire. Here would be a labor that would initially occupy many months for several scribes, hand copying each scroll before sending it abroad. Great excitement, beginning at John's home church over this new and final revelation from God through the last of the Apostles of Jesus in his advanced years, reverberated into the very heart and to the ends of the Roman Empire.
Because the Revelation opens with an explicit statement, that the future things to be unsealed would “shortly come to pass” - Would not the 96 AD and 2nd century Christians reading this letter for the first time, have expected to see the prophecy begin to unfold in their time, beginning with of course the first seal? Remember, Daniel was told to “shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:” (Dan 12:4) perhaps the end of the time determined for his nation some 500 years distant when the Messiah would appear and those things would be and were unsealed? But no such command of sealing is given anywhere in the Revelation that we can find, and certainly nothing that would seal the Revelation for nearly 2,000 years! The opposite is what we begin to see in chapter six, where the seals are opened, one at a time!
And there was a change that matched the First Seal, precipitated by the same event that got John released from his Patmos prison with his fresh Revelation: Rev 6:2. And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
“Five Good Emperors, the ancient Roman imperial succession of Nerva (reigned 96-98 ce), Trajan (98-117), Hadrian (117-138), Antoninus Pius (138-161), and Marcus Aurelius (161-180), who in succession presided over the most majestic days of the Roman Empire.
“A.D. 98, Not the javelin, not the sword - but a bow, a well-known sign of Crete, to mark the new succession of emperors who should reign through these prosperous times: first, Nerva, himself of Cretan birth; then Trajan and Adrian and the Antonines, each adopted by his predecessor in a manner peculiar to these five emperors, all therefore reckoned, in strict accordance with the Roman law of adoption, as of Nerva’s family, and emperors of the same, the Nervan Dynasty, in whom resided the ruling power during this period." (E.B.Elliot)
Spiritually appraised men do no behave like this. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Did not observe any fruits of the Spirit.
These people trying to make a "case" for this remind me of IFB "preachers" with the bullying, name calling and lack of humility. From the excerpts you played, it sounded like noisy gongs. It was not a spiritual exercise. Not sure what they were trying to accomplish exactly. Pray for them.
I don't know a single dispensational who teaches or believes all scripture must be interpreted literally .
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I think it is replacement theory, not replacement theology
Isn't it a bit Ironic when Jesus spoke almost entirely by parables.
Yeah but dust he literally speak in parables or is ir a literary device to say he did?
And are the parables about practical things the audience had the tools and context to understand, but not the faith, or are they highly coded metaphysical puzzles to lie dormant until unlocked by medieval theologians?
Like most the other books of the bible, the revelation was written at a later date, but As Though It Was Written Before , which agrees with your internal, external dichotomy
Post-Mil believes in an early dating of Revelation
Jesus "came on the clouds" in 70 AD in the sense that He used Titus to execute judgment on Jerusalem. "The day is coming when not one stone will be left on another." Christianity was no longer considered a sub-set of Judaism; the world was given a New Covenant. "Final Day" by Rick Wiles lists 10 characteristics of Jesus' Return.